Post everything about that icehole here and here only.
Please.
He is not good-looking.
He's dreamy.
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the official banner inc thread please
R Diddy ladies and gentlemen!
QuoteQuestion: This year seems particularly crucial to the Eagles. I believe the pressure is being felt by Lurie and Company to ante up and bring in some talent. Despite the naysayers, I do believe the Eagles ownership wants to win a Super Bowl as much as the most passionate fans for their own validation amongst their (NFL) peers.
Larry Conner
Answer: You would have trouble convincing most Eagles fans, especially after Joe Banner's recent comments suggesting that "on balance" the Eagles have been as successful as the Steelers because they have been to the playoffs nine times in the last 11 years and the Steelers have not. If your goal really is to win the Super Bowl then you wouldn't think that way. You would know you aren't even in the same discussion with the Steelers who have been to three Super Bowls in that time and won twice. We won't even mention the four Lombardi Trophies they won in the '70s.
The Eagles under Jeff Lurie and Banner have done a very good job staying competitive and "in the mix" as they say. It is not easy to be in the playoff race year after year with the way the NFL is set up now. Very few teams have been able to do it as consistently as the Eagles and they deserve credit for that. But you do get the feeling the front office sees that as proof they are one of the elite teams and while they want to win a Super Bowl, the coming up short each year doesn't pain them as much as it does the fans. The Eagles still see it as a good season – "on balance" – while the fans see it as the same unhappy ending.
The Eagles front office should adopt two simple rules when addressing the world outside the Nova Care Complex. One, don't draw any parallels between your organization and an organization that has won a Super Bowl. Until you've done it, you're not in the club and, two, stop talking about winning "championships" plural. Win one and then we can roll out the "s".
so now they are the black and gold standard?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 22, 2011, 09:12:17 PM
so now they are the black and gold standard?
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OH!
where is that salary cap champions picture with a sneering banner? from a few years back? i need that.
Not to mention the NFC has had weak competition for the majority of those 9 years. Joe Banner can suck it. I have a lot more respect for those who admit they made mistakes and move on. These clowns just can't admit defeat and keep shoveling fans the bullshtein.
"In the mix". Gotta love it.
joe is a "B" student.
QuoteThe Eagles front office should adopt two simple rules when addressing the world outside the Nova Care Complex. One, don't draw any parallels between your organization and an organization that has won a Super Bowl. Until you've done it, you're not in the club and, two, stop talking about winning "championships" plural. Win one and then we can roll out the "s".
This.
Satin on Mikey Miss tomorrow at 5 PM.
Silky smooth
farging ipad. Let me try again:
Lucifer on Mikey Miss tomorrow.
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"We've been to five championship games in the last 11 years," said Banner. "They haven't. We've been in the playoffs the last three years. They haven't. At the same time, the ultimate goal is winning the Super Bowl and they've been more successful at that particular part than us, so I don't look at them and say they're really smart and they're really good, and we're not."
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It really was astonishing how bad Eskin was defending Banners answer yesterday. Amazing how a guy that stresses "keeping it real" can be so opposite when put on the spot.
heres an idea - stop listening to him
he is beyond atrocious
Trust me I don't. My Sirius was updating channels and I had no choice but to listen to the radio. I checked in on WIP and low and behold I was struck with pure sports radio genius.
off topic, but is there worse customer service than the bafoons at sirius??
No NFL Network + No Sirius Radio = :boom
Quote from: DH on February 24, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
off topic, but is there worse customer service than the bafoons at sirius??
Not that I've come across. They called me 4 years ago when my subscription ended asking me to 'confirm' my credit card information because they were having trouble automatically renewing my subscription. Crooks.
Putz on now!
That was lame. Missanelli got about 30 seconds in. Banner can sure ramble.
I wasn't sure which thread to post this in, so I'll just link the interview here. Because people are salivating for it.
http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/eagles/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10209060
leonard tose daughter on her fathers eagles vs. banner inc's eagles
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"What I saw back then was a lot of heart, a lot of soul," she said. "The players and coaches loved my dad. The franchise was committed to winning. I don't see that level of emotion now. Sure, they've made the playoffs many times, but I don't see the heart, I don't see the passion."
very well stated
you know lucifer is in his office shooting fire out of his eyes after reading that quote.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on March 02, 2011, 03:32:00 PM
very well stated
now living on the other side of the country its great she even knows the eagles exist much less be so up on them...thats what happens when you get local owners from and with ties to the community...not carpetbagging red sox fans
I don't love lurie... i dont even really like him, but Tose's eagles didn't win shtein either.
Quote from: charlie on March 02, 2011, 03:39:57 PM
Tose didn't win shtein either.
what about my heart?
i think he lost that at a roulette table
Nickel slots for that one, I think.
if you put your heart in a corporation, you deserve to have it broken sucker
it's just a goddamn game
What crap.
That could be said about all sports now in the terms of caring then vs. now.
All professional sports are now looked at as business and with a very antiseptic attitude. It is not the 70s and 80s any longer. The passion and run through a wal for the team mentality has gone and been gone for awhile now.
Banner and Lurie and others within upper management aren't always the most likable and do and say dumbfounding things from time to time (and in Banner's case every time he opens his mouth) - but I think you're reaching now.
Was she on with Cataldi or something?
nope she wrote a book
and you couldnt be more wrong
look at the steelers ravens jets and other teams...and thats just football.....passion heart and soul is very much alive out there....i know it hurts that your favorite team is as sterile as it gets but that doesnt mean you should deny the truth
Its all sterile, man.
Jets are only like that because of Rex Ryan, he has brought out the attitude and collected guys like him.
There are still throwbacks who talk shtein and play for the love but the majority of these guys are about the money and nothing else. They help each other up off the field and hang out or ask for farging autographs after the games. It is not like it used to be regardless of if a few teams have guys like that.
So she takes a shot at the current ownership. And you have even admitted that you believe Lurie does what it takes to spend to win, right?
Your beef is Banner. We know he is a schmuck.
And didnt that broad try to move the farging team to Phoenix?!
not its not all sterile....in fact look across the street at the phillies or flyers...they are the opposite of sterility
also its banner inc.... to put it all on one guy is unfair
no signs/banners in the stadium hideous uniforms that are not this franchise at all...100% business like approach that just makes this not a fun or passionate franchise whatsoever....getting rid of dawk was the capper
they make the playoffs every year
what more do you want
to enjoy them
when your team wins and youy arent as happy as you should be then there is a problem
getting rid of dawkins was the capper...haha
move on brother....dawks body has.
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
to enjoy them
when your team wins and youy arent as happy as you should be then there is a problem
besides the fact i was joking it seems this is beyond personal with you and banner and obviously not something you can get past
hes a total funhole. we know. you need to move on.
Quote from: reese125 on March 02, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
getting rid of dawkins was the capper...haha
move on brother....dawks body has.
as usual you completely miss the point...i know its hard for you to comprehend and logically think beyond the first thing that comes to your mind but it gets tiresome
basically the fact that you reference his present day ability on the field is staggeringly dumb even for you
there is no point as usual.
the fact that you cant comprehend a team/business, with an impeccable track record of getting rid of players on decline is you being narrow minded once again. I know youre upset you cant watch him cry and flap his arms on the sidelines anymore...we all are....but as your boy said....let it go for christs sake.
I don't want to play message board psychoanalyst, but IGY has said repeatedly that philly sports are basically his life. Sure he's got other stuff like a job and a girl and a kid and whatnot, but philly sports are basically how he spends his time and what he does when he goes out and how he plans his life. Of course he can't get past Banner. I think it's retarded, but to be surprised by it is just as retarded. Retards.
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I happen to agree 100% with IGY.
Taking things like the guy who had the banners at games at the Vet away...little things like that. Each time something like that was taken, the organization got more sterile and bland. The Dawkins thing, well, yeah...its a dead horse, but it took something even more from the team/fans. Add to it the way Reid blows off his pressers and how Banner's mouth makes people want to go on a killing spree....its just awful from top to bottom.
Honestly, the most real thing that I've EVER heard come from any of those 3 was when Lurie spoke about the pickup of Vick 2 seasons ago. That was one of the best PCs I'd heard in a long time and possibly EVER from this organization in its current state.
EVER
igy has a kid?
Quote from: MDS on March 02, 2011, 09:55:04 PM
igy has a kid?
Wait. Doesn't he have a kid?
Whatever. My point was money either way.
im pretty sure he doesnt
in any case he would be just a horrendous father
So he does have a kid, then?
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 02, 2011, 09:02:53 PM
not its not all sterile....in fact look across the street at the phillies or flyers...they are the opposite of sterility
also its banner inc.... to put it all on one guy is unfair
no signs/banners in the stadium hideous uniforms that are not this franchise at all...100% business like approach that just makes this not a fun or passionate franchise whatsoever....getting rid of dawk was the capper
Look - Joe Banner is and always has been a PR nightmare. Being that he is the president his mannerisms seem to roll downhill because he likely sets a lot of the policies or hires the people like him; sans personality or even reclusive and socially inept. Business-wise he is very savvy and probably someone you would love to have counting your beans and watching the cash-flow.
I was pissed when they cut Trotter and allowed Dawk and Duce to walk. But time and time again their personnel decisions have proven to be right. From letting Taylor and Vincent walk to McNabb to pretty much every vet. A year early rather than a year late.
That is a business model they believe in. You cannot fault them for that.
Hoagie-gate, Sign Man, etc...All PR disasters that stem from Banner.
However, the majority of the players do not give a shtein about anything other than their bank accounts. They give lip service to the fans and cities and things like that - and there are a few who are throwbacks - but in reality the entire NFL and MLB and NBA are sterilized. NHL, you make a point about the Flyers, is sterilized in the newer cities (but the OGs of the NHL have the close knit feeling).
PG mentioned Andy Reid's press conferences. So what? He doesn't give out information. He is clipped and short and most of the time purposely boring. So are a lot of the narcissistic and egotistical NFL coaches because they're all control freaks.
Would I love Rex Ryan or someone like him? Absolutely.
But for the most part all professional sports are buttoned up and all about the business.
trotter part 1 and dawkins were all about money
the other guys were finished and they had ready in the wings backups
they replaced trotter with levon kirland and dawkins with i think munsons brother in law.
thats where the worst in banner comes out because its about him and his bean counting not about winning football games.
Quote from: MDS on March 02, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
they replaced trotter with levon kirland and dawkins with i think munsons brother in law
:-D You just made my month.
It was actually me, not my brother in law.
when you're schtupping your sister, you are your brother-in-law
the dawkins thing has nothing to do with on the field play and yes they have a great track record of releasing players at just the right time***
but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the mistake they made with dawk...for a couple million meaningless dollars they let arguably the most beloved player in franchise history walk...for no other reason tha thats just what they do...
ive said a million times i never liked dawk as much as most but it was a monsterous PR blunder on their part and the only reason it happened is because of the robotic and passionless nature of the front office...the fact that they couldnt even make one exception for this player was just unbelievable
***it should be noted that dawk was an on the field blunder as well
As crazy as it sounds I have to agree with igy. Lurie/Banner follow a responsible corporate model for a business. They wanted to make money, so they rejuvenated the franchise by changing the uniforms, building a new stadium, trying to change fan behavior etc. On their end sure they're making money, from a fans perspective I don't feel the connection with the team like I used to. This past decade the fan to team connection has gotten worse. I don't feel like the Linc is the fans stadium like I did the Vet. Sure the Vet was a shtein hole that didn't have enough of anything but I always felt like I was among family and friends there. When I'm at the Linc I feel like I'm at a corporate sponsored event surrounded by a bunch of average fans. The average fan in the 80's/90's was a 40 year old drunk from Fishtown whose entire life was the Eagles, now the average fan is either some old businessman or annoying college kid.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could chose the midnight green over the kelly green. For whatever reason the Lurie's feel the kelly green is associated with losing. But ask any fan and they'll all tell you they prefer them over the midnight green. I'm so sick of the midnight green jerseys representing the franchise. I feel disconnected from the team because they're not giving the fans what they want.
And igy is right about Dawkins. It really has nothing to do with his level of play, and everything to do with the fans connection to the players. Even in the early part of 2000 fans connected with Hugh/Trotter/Simon/Dawkins but now that's over. Which player do you REALLY feel represents the Eagles right now? I love Cole but he's nowhere close to one of the defenders I listed.
The capper for me will be when they install solar panels and wind turbines.
yeah thats an important point too...and one that people who watch games at home cant touch or feel...and thats the hideous atmosphere that exists in the linc now compared to what it was at the vet
also things would be even worse if the fans didnt stand up and protest things like hoagiegate and the gestapo tailgating rules they tried to implement
we are a long way from andy reid handing out donuts to fans in a ticket line
Glad I missed this whiny garbage and am looking forward to the Phillies season giving you guys something else to complain about.
And yes, IGY has spawn. I only remember because he posted a pic of a stark white aryan (sp?) child, and that was when I found out that IGY was actually a white guy who speaks in ebonics and not a real live straight homey.
good contribution to the thread.
In relative terms, I agree.
One other thing I've noticed, if you want to talk about how much the passion has been sapped out of the fanbase, is if you listen to WIP, you never hear anyone calling up doing Eagles chants. It sounds like a stupid way to judge the city, but the fervor is gone. I don't know if it's just a saturation from the Reid era, but no one can honestly say the city is anywhere near as passionate about the team as they were in the beginning of the decade. I just don't get the vibe that the Eagles are a way of life for people like they were 8-10 years ago. Maybe the Phillies have supplanted them, I'm not sure, but the emotional level in the fanbase doesn't exist like it did.
They didn't make a mistake releasing him. They made a mistake not adequately replacing him.
Who? Brian Dawkins or Rashad Barksdale?
Gargano came up with a term after 2005...Eagles fatigue
i think until they get rid of Reid it's going to continue to present itself in the fanbase.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
They didn't make a mistake releasing him. They made a mistake not adequately replacing him.
same thing in this case....but again you are talking on the field....we are talking off
even if they had better replaced him tho it wouldnt have changed the anger in the fanbase over them letting him go
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2011, 09:28:04 AM
Gargano came up with a term after 2005...Eagles fatigue
i think until they get rid of Reid it's going to continue to present itself in the fanbase.
Outstanding
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Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2011, 09:25:05 AM
They didn't make a mistake releasing him. They made a mistake not adequately replacing him.
same thing in this case....but again you are talking on the field....we are talking off
even if they had better replaced him tho it wouldnt have changed the anger in the fanbase over them letting him go
Irrational Eagles fans maybe. Dawkins was done and Denver made him a retarded offer. He was smart to take it and the Eagles were smart to pass. People who still hold grudges either way are idiots.
You just called PG an idiot.
It's been a half a century since they won a title, no one person is to blame for that... once you come to terms with the definition of "eagles football" which is underachieving futility, the less likely you'll be to die of a stroke.
Quote from: Rome on March 03, 2011, 10:29:52 AM
Irrational Eagles fans maybe. Dawkins was done and Denver made him a retarded offer. He was smart to take it and the Eagles were smart to pass. People who still hold grudges either way are idiots.
for a short post all kinds of wrong goin on in there
1. dawkins wasnt done
2. the offer wasnt close to retarded
3. eagles werent smart to pass
4. no ones holding a grudge
and for the 1000th time we arent talking about on the field...even if dawkins was done it was still an assinine move that accomplished absolutely nothing but to alienate the franchise further away from the fans than it already was
1. Correct. He had one more good year left.
2. Incorrect. It was at least borderline awful.
3. Correct. The Eagles should have at least made it clear to him that they would come very close to any other offer to make sure he retired an Eagle.
4. Incorrect. Couldn't be more wrong. You of all people should know this, as you have a boner of hate for the entire "regime."
name me one player denver couldnt sign because of dawkins awful deal
name me one player the eagles did sign because of the money they saved
if you wanna say the deal for denver was awful because they were strictly signing dawkins the player i guess you could make a reach and say that...tho i would say having a still good but fading brian dawkins on my team could never ever be awful
but short of something ludicrous like 20 million guaranteed there is no way the eagles shouldnt have matched (something they didnt even have to do to keep him) denvers offer...id say they should have matched it because they had so much more riding on keeping him than denver had in obtaining him...but the eagles dont give a flying farg about the fans or public opinion and they have no sense of history so why would they wanna keep a legend around for another couple years...but this is why this thread exists in the first place
the dawkins move will always be baffling and wrong...even twenty years from now..its etched in stone which is different from a grudge...you also are confusing hate for holding a grudge...people being bothered by banner inc is not holding a grudge its how they feel and its real thruout much of the fanbase...we are just reacting to things they do...how is that a grudge?
i wouldnt call you a flaming homer because banner inc doesnt bother you
They bother me. But I will be just as happy if they win a Super Bowl as I would be if the Eagles won under less douchey general management, whereas many of you are on the record that your excitement would be tempered because you hate those running the team so much.
That's just dumb.
lol
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Quote from: MDS on March 02, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
they replaced trotter with levon kirland and dawkins with i think munsons brother in law
:-D You just made my month.
There's 28 days left in March so I'd say you've set your standards pretty low for the rest of the month.
Quote from: FastFreddie on March 03, 2011, 12:25:14 PM
They bother me. But I will be just as happy if they win a Super Bowl as I would be if the Eagles won under less douchey general management, whereas many of you are on the record that your excitement would be tempered because you hate those running the team so much.
That's just dumb.
Pretty sure if you polled every Eagles fan (igy included) on which season out of the last 20 was their favorite at least 99% would say 2004. And if they had won a Superbowl sometime in the last 15 years this conversation isn't happening. Osama Bin Laden could own the team with Ghadaffi running the front office and we'd all cheer them if they brought us a Superbowl. The disconnect between the fans, the team, and the front office goes deeper than wins and losses.
The Phillies are popular because they're winners, they listen to the fans, and they have players that fans can relate to.
Same thing goes for the Flyers. The Flyers still play with that Broad Street Bullies mentality and fans can relate to that. If they iced some finesse team fans would still come out but they wouldn't be the lunatics they are. The teams on the field and the attitude of the organizations is what gives the fans their edge.
the eagles could win the superbowl next year and id still have enjoyed last years flyer cup run more...dont get me wrong id kill for a superbowl...but a small part of me doesnt want it to happen because i dont want banner inc getting a title and i def wouldnt enjoy it as much as id deserve to
since i got flyer season tickets a couple years ago the contrast between a world class organization like the flyers and jerk offs like the eagles has come into even more contrast for me....the flyers customer service and the way they treat the fans is just off the charts class act...the eagles not so much
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 03, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
the eagles could win the superbowl next year and id still have enjoyed last years flyer cup run more...dont get me wrong id kill for a superbowl...but a small part of me doesnt want it to happen because i dont want banner inc getting a title and i def wouldnt enjoy it as much as id deserve to
Dumb.
its kind of like having to pay child support to your whore of an ex....you wanna do it for your seedling but it sickens you to have to address that envelope every month
I understand the analogy, but I think it might hit a bit too close to home for you.
I actually agree with igy on most of the stuff he's said the last couple pages. I wouldn't say I don't want Banner inc. to get a title, but if the organization were to win a super bowl, wouldn't most of you have that "about farging time" thought in the back of their head? I sure would.
And back on Dawk, didn't he get about 15 million over 5 years with something like 9 guaranteed? How is that a bad contract? Signing a 34 or 35 year old to a 5 year deal might be dumb, but there's not exactly a whole lot of money tied up in it. He'd be worth the 9 guaranteed and have at least a year of good play left, and then if it were in Philly I'm sure he would have retired when the time was/is right. They saved very little money and made themselves look like farging pricks to the entire fan base.
the devil is a puppet master.
Quote from: Dillen on March 03, 2011, 05:27:20 PM
I actually agree with igy on most of the stuff he's said the last couple pages. I wouldn't say I don't want Banner inc. to get a title, but if the organization were to win a super bowl, wouldn't most of you have that "about farging time" thought in the back of their head? I sure would.
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I've said in the past that if/when the Eagles win a SB it would be euphoric until Banner gets time in front of the mic and goes on and on about how his way is the right way, blah blah blah. Banner is really the only main player in the organization that I dispise, although Howie is quickly working his way up the ladder. So I'd be happy, then pissed when Banner starts bumping his gums and then happy again when someone else starts talking. It would annoy me, but there's no way in hell I'd not enjoy a SB just because of Banner Inc.
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And back on Dawk, didn't he get about 15 million over 5 years with something like 9 guaranteed? How is that a bad contract? Signing a 34 or 35 year old to a 5 year deal might be dumb, but there's not exactly a whole lot of money tied up in it. He'd be worth the 9 guaranteed and have at least a year of good play left, and then if it were in Philly I'm sure he would have retired when the time was/is right. They saved very little money and made themselves look like farging pricks to the entire fan base.
I forget the exact terms of the deal, but whatever the contract was, it was essentially a 2 year deal. Yeah, there were more years and money but Dawk was never going to see it.
dawk got what essentially equated to two years and seven mil...not peanuts by any means but certainly not even close to "retarded" money....especially from the eagles point of view
You guys seem to forget that Dawk played like garbage in his last couple of years here. I would have been happy to see him retire here, but I'd have preferred the retirement part to the here part.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 03, 2011, 08:14:57 PM
You guys seem to forget that Dawk played like garbage in his last couple of years here. I would have been happy to see him retire here, but I'd have preferred the retirement part to the here part.
wow...no
this is what banner incs swirley lolipop does to people
he was probowl level his last year here...in fact he won defensive player of the month in december....he was ridiculous in that dallas thrashing
if you think the money was too much fine...but dont do the revisionist history thing
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Time for Jim Johnson to go. He's wasted Dawkins' career on a system that doesn't work against good offenses. Speaking of Dawkins, he can hang 'em up now.
I would agree cept they have nothing behind Dawkins.
Replacing mediocrity with mediocrity is a fair trade. Dawkins is done.
One bad game and he is done? No one showed up on D.
I rather keep him and draft a replacement then just get rid of him.
One? Jesus farg, where has Dawkins been all season? Does it take more than one hand to count the number of plays he's made this year?
How very revisionist of me.
it doesnt matter if dawkins was playing worse than i wouldve done out there
the money was irrelevant since the eagles have so much of it and dont spend as much as they can. even if he sits on the bench and they wind up cutting him and eating some of the contract its a moot point.
the fact that he didnt get a contract is perhaps the most clear cut example of banner inc's disconnect with the fan base. they just simply dont get it, dont want to get it, and dont feel they need to get it.
you had a guy who exemplifies what philly fans want to see in a player and a guy who was just balls out enormously popular in this city. he loved us and we loved him back. banner either didnt understand this or simply didnt care, maybe both. but the decision to lump him in with trotter, vincent, reese, taylor, welbourn, owens and all the other players who they ran out of town because of money is the most sickening part of this.
to not realize the situation and say, 'hey, we need to keep this guy here because hes brian dawkins' is the most egregiously irresponsible thing the eagles have ever done. they dont give a shtein about anything except counting their beans and keeping those season ticket renewals coming.
the problem is they have this 10-6, early playoff exit thing down pat and as long as they keep winning games and keep having the occasional great moment like the pimp return this year then there's really nothing to do but wait until someone dies first--them or us.
but again i will say this: i thought no ownership group could be worse than the phillies and they actually won a world series and then made a F you signing with cliff lee. so...never say never justin bieber.
Would you really want to see Dawkins sitting on the bench? Do you think he'd have been happy on the bench? No. C'mon.
Quote from: MDS on March 03, 2011, 11:42:20 PM
but again i will say this: i thought no ownership group could be worse than the phillies and they actually won a world series and then made a F you signing with cliff lee. so...never say never justin bieber.
I felt the same way. After they got swept by the Rockies in 07 I thought the bums would be the last team to win a title in Philadelphia. My money was on the Flyers being the next team to win a championship. Anything is possible.
phillies ownership wasnt openly antagonistic with the fanbase like the eagles are but words cannot express how little claire bentz and the cigar brothers care about winning--even to this day.
but on top of that montgomery and the people who run the team, with the exception of the ongoing chris wheeler debacle, have gone and above and beyond in terms of fan relations. they embrace the city, the history, the fans and everything in between.
the only reason they won a world series is because of the planned season ticket revolt if ed wade stayed another season and the forced pressure to go outside and get gillick.
there is nothing of the sort planned for the eagles and even if there were at best andy goes and some puppet to banner inc comes in. the only way banner goes is if he dies or lurie sells the team.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 04, 2011, 12:20:54 AM
Would you really want to see Dawkins sitting on the bench? Do you think he'd have been happy on the bench? No. C'mon.
not the point, e.w.
if dawkins came back and got legit beaten out by kirk patterson or whatever couldnt even start for lsu crap they were throwing out there then fine, go cut him and let him sign with denver. but that wasnt even close to the case because even right now dawkins would be the best safety on the roster.
And that still wasn't good enough. There was little chance they were going to bring in someone that could play, and no chance at all with him still on the roster.
They needed to replace him. That fact is no less true because they have failed to replace him.
they actually didnt need to replace him...he was very good his last year with them and he was very good with denver his first year
last year he took a big step back...and now he wont be starting or possibly playing in the nfl again
the last two years of his career should have played out exactly how they did except it should have happened in philly
again tho completely getting off the real point...and that is that the front office is completely reckless when it comes to the fanbase and then wonders why they are so despised
You've made that point repeatedly. Is it really necessary to beat this particular horse to a pulp again & again? We get it. You hate Banner. So do we.
Christ.
so you created a specific thread for him to hate banner and now you're getting mad at him for hating banner in it?
Quote from: SunMo on March 04, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
so you created a specific thread for him to hate banner and now you're getting mad at him for hating banner in it?
just gonna say that....strange isnt it?
i think he thought it would be a hippo thread where just me and me posted in it and now hes a little salty its got to seven pages in a couple days
Quote from: SunMo on March 04, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
so you created a specific thread for him to hate banner and now you're getting mad at him for hating banner in it?
No. But repeating the same thought over and over with nothing new being added is pointless. And who said I was mad?
well it was you...so i just assumed you were mad
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2011, 08:58:55 AM
Quote from: SunMo on March 04, 2011, 08:22:12 AM
so you created a specific thread for him to hate banner and now you're getting mad at him for hating banner in it?
No. But repeating the same thought over and over with nothing new being added is pointless. And who said I was mad?
its theraputic...dont you like talking about the things that most make you mad and upset you?
its why i have to watch all games with other eagle fans...so if they lose i can vent to people who 'get it'
no therapeutic would mean that you're actually getting help and coming down from the situation.
you keep taking it to an all time level and it has gotten worse over time. get your money back.
You vent about Banner Inc. like most other men vent about their wives. It's amusing but ultimately like listening to your buddies bitch about their wives it gets mind-numbing hearing the same tired refrains.
Again I started the thread so ultimately I'm complicit in this but how about something new and refreshing to complain about? Like whitey or cancelled tv shows, for instance?
starting the thread is the best thing you could have done...it gives me a rubber room to bounce around in and it gives you every other thread on the board to not have to read it
Captions?
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"It doesnt matter all that much that we keep losing....just look how big that screen is."
joselio hanson gotta be like this, right?
Jerrah: This is how big T.O.'s ass was after I got done farging it.
Jeffy: Uhhh...
"This is the best way to hold the Lombardi Trophy."
Quote from: reese125 on March 04, 2011, 10:14:51 AM
"It doesnt matter all that much that we keep losing....just look how big that screen is."
:yay
Quote from: Rome on March 04, 2011, 11:27:51 AM
"This is the best way to hold the Lombardi Trophy."
:yay :yay
Quote"Well, I think, as briefly as I can, there are a number of non-dollar issues," Banner said. "There are things I've mentioned around the offseason work schedule, life-long health benefits, a legitimate way to try to address the players that retired before 1993 that we all recognize are an important part of where we are today, improved work conditions, health insurance, the issue of 16 games vs. 18 games. On those positions, the specific proposals that the union made on almost all of those issues were adopted or virtually adopted in the league's final proposal. So obviously there were a significant number of consequential concessions, from our perspective, in that. Then, as I just mentioned, the league held very firm on a rookie system that was a significant change from the first round previously but offered to maintain the position for all the other draft picks consistent with what it was developing from 2008, 2009, 2010 and would continue to progress, and did seek a significant restructuring of the first round.
"Really to say that, fairly, a really significant restructuring of probably about the first dozen picks, a moderate restructuring maybe of the next dozen picks then a very slight restructuring of the 10 picks who would follow after that. And then with respect to the economics, we would split the difference which, as I just said, left from our perspective the veterans in a position because of the adjustments to the rookie pool to actually be similar to, in a very short time significantly better off, than they were under the old proposals. It seems like other than the sacrifices being asked of the first-round draft picks, that was a very significant move in a fairly neutral place. I don't think anybody had illusions that they were going to come back and say yes. But certainly a place from which was very reasonable to anticipate a continuation of negotiations and it certainly warranted a counter-proposal reflective of that kind of movement or affirmation of some of the issues that have been negotiated over the week of the players' position of those issues.
"I think in summary that's why. I mean I think the one specific part of it I could add, if you looked going forward over the next four years this would produce somewhere between $19 and $20 billion dollars in cap and benefits for the players. If you look back at the last four years, that number was a little bit over $17 billion dollars. I know we're talking numbers that are hard for the average fan to relate to, but you are talking about a significant increase over the next four years vs. the past four years in the combination of cap and benefits to the players and in a formula that accomplishes what the owners needed to do in there to be able to get the game and keep it as strong as it is by doing things like investing in stadiums and investing in the NFL Network and assuming the operating costs on these new stadiums. That was long-winded, but I think that's why we thought it was a fair proposal and one that certainly would warrant a continuation of discussions."
anyone want to translate this into english? ff after hes done jerking off to the idea of the top 1% getting richer?
Quote from: MDS on March 17, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
QuoteI know we're talking numbers that are hard for the average fan to relate to
Ah, yeah.
i love how looking out for the players health and general well being is considered a concession
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 17, 2011, 09:42:26 AM
i love how looking out for the players health and general well being is considered a concession
Ha. farging exactly.
Quote from: MDS on March 17, 2011, 01:06:27 AM
ff after hes done jerking off
I'm never really "done" in the true sense of the word.
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Dear Eagles Fans,
Today, May 12 between 1:00-1:30PM, we are inviting you to participate in an EXCLUSIVE FAN FORUM call with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, Philadelphia Eagles President Joe Banner, and Eagles Insider Dave Spadaro. Join other Eagles fans as they ask questions LIVE about the recent NFL Draft and the current status of the labor situation.
The Fan Forum will last approximately 30 minutes.
Using the daytime phone number listed with your Eagles account, we will be calling you around 1:00pm EST today. All you need to do to participate is answer the phone!
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We are looking forward to connecting with you this afternoon!
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gotta love how they try and draw you into a propagandist phone call having to do with the lock out by saying its about the recent nfl draft AND the "labor situation"
shut up its FREE
Letting Weaver find out about being cut the way they did... Classy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
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Dear Eagles Fans,
Today, May 12 between 1:00-1:30PM, we are inviting you to participate in an EXCLUSIVE FAN FORUM call with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, Philadelphia Eagles President Joe Banner, and Eagles Insider Dave Spadaro. Join other Eagles fans as they ask questions LIVE about the recent NFL Draft and the current status of the labor situation.
The Fan Forum will last approximately 30 minutes.
Using the daytime phone number listed with your Eagles account, we will be calling you around 1:00pm EST today. All you need to do to participate is answer the phone!
It is FREE to participate.
If you miss the call and would like to join the Fan Forum, please dial 1-877-229-8493 and enter PIN 15427. There is a limited amount of room for call-ins so the best way to join the Fan Forum is by picking up the phone when you receive the call around 1:00pm today.
We are looking forward to connecting with you this afternoon!
The Philadelphia Eagles
gotta love how they try and draw you into a propagandist phone call having to do with the lock out by saying its about the recent nfl draft AND the "labor situation"
And what are the odds that the callers aren't plants or known friendlies.
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According to one club executive, they had "a lot of discussion" about re-signing Babin after the '09 season, but deferred to the opinions of then-defensive coordinator Sean McDermott and then-defensive line coach Rory Segrest, neither of whom, the executive said, felt Babin could be anything more than a situational player.
lol...these people are something else
Who cares about something that may or may not be true
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 29, 2011, 11:06:42 AM
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According to one club executive, they had "a lot of discussion" about re-signing Babin after the '09 season, but deferred to the opinions of then-defensive coordinator Sean McDermott and then-defensive line coach Rory Segrest, neither of whom, the executive said, felt Babin could be anything more than a situational player.
lol...these people are something else
Convenient to blame the two guys who are no longer here.
"Well THEY said he wasnt good enough...WE wanted to keep him"
lol
they actually blamed rory segrest for letting a player go....that is some funny bunk
thing is no one gave a shtein when they let babin go....it wasnt like it was some awful move that came back to haunt them...so why does a non descript PP move from two years ago require them to make up a story like that and at the same time throw two ex employees under the bus
the same reason 75% of the fan base now thinks that washburn and mudd have the magic touch and will fix everything
banner is a master propaganda warrior. no one does it better.
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At the end of the Nnamdi Asomugha news conference, general manager Howie Roseman publicly apologized to fullback Leonard Weaver and defensive tackle Jeff Owens for merely leaving messages on their phones telling them they were being released on Thursday. Weaver tweeted that night that he had gotten the news from a reporter, and didn't like not having heard it from the Eagles. The team then insisted both players were informed before the moves were released.
Apparently that was sort of true, and sort of not true, with Roseman acknowledging that he hadn't spoken directly to the players, and should have done so.
"That's my responsibility. I'm sorry about that. I had a lot of things going on. That's no excuse," Roseman said.
gotta give credit where credit is due
good for the little prick to apologize...hopefully he learns from it but i doubt it
In the grand scheme of things Howie not personally speaking to Weaver isn't that big a deal considering what he had going on otherwise.
In fact, Weaver's the one who's acting like a bitch in this case. Professionals don't go on Twitter and whine about being "disrespected". They suck it up and move on.
big deal compared to the earths 7th billion birthday no...big deal in terms of how to treat your players yes
proof of this is an actual apology from banner inc....that pretty much uncharted waters
It's a non-issue for anyone who actually has a functioning cerebellum.
PS: Joe's on Eagles Live! right now. WATCH HIM.
no
Banner & Spadaro are talking about The Wire right now.
FOR REAL
id rather listen to wheels during a phillies rout than spadaro right now after yesterdays goings on...his gushing condescending pomposity has to just be off the meter
It really is incredible.
In terms of SMUG he makes Amaro, Jr. look gracious and humble.
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Q: On whether he received inspiration from the Phillies to stock pile players during the NFL free agency period:
"No, not at all. It's so different. Are we building a pitching staff? No. It's a completely different evolution. We have a salary cap. We are just trying to maximize players. I think they've done a great job with the pitching staff there and I admire it. We're keeping up with the Jerry Joneses."
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The Eagles organization seems well-positioned to weather all kinds of setbacks. Lurie and Banner grew up in the Boston area, and their youth has colored their approach to building the Eagles. Under their stewardship the Eagles have contended almost yearly, and their hunger for a ring grows with every season.
"I would use the Red Sox as an analogy," Banner says. "They have a great team and they still go out and get great players like Josh Beckett. We grew up watching Red Auerbach and a Celtics franchise that wouldn't rest. They looked for opportunities, and we feel like we had five or six that came free [in free agency]. What we were not going to do was hesitate. Not if you are going to win."
While the FO certainly deserves some credit for bringing in some excellent talent this year, I'm going to hold off on saying that "their hunger for a ring grows with every season." Because if it in fact did, then they wouldn't go into every season with more cap space than most other teams. The new CBA forces them to spend the money and that's why the Eagles have loaded up like they have. I'll give them credit for spending the money wisely, but there's no way this off season happens under the rules of the old CBA. Otherwise it would have actually happened sometime over the last 10 years.
The cap floor hasn't started yet, I believe it is in two years.
Really? I didn't realize that. If that's truly the case, then I stand corrected and will gladly suckle on Banners teet.
Yeah I just looked it up it doesn't start until 2013
I retract my previous statement then. Kudos to the FO. Not that I'll end up reading it, but where can one view the details of the new CBA?
I could have sworn that they had to spend 98% of their cap space this year, and then in 2012 and 2013 it goes down to 89%?
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They're hard to like.
Some might argue impossible.
We don't believe 'em, we don't trust 'em, we wouldn't buy a scalped ticket from either one.
Well, maybe Lurie.
But only if Banner weren't with him.
Stuck in our civic craw this time around are two comments, one made by Banner, one by Lurie. Taken separately and - more important - with no prior history, they could be dismissed as a poor choice of words, an accident. But there is a history. And when it comes to public missives from the two, there are no accidents.
In heaping praise upon himself to Sports Illustrated, Banner likened the Eagles' approach to that of his favorite successful baseball team.
"I would use the Red Sox as an analogy," Banner told SI. "They have a great team, and they still go out and get great players like Josh Beckett. We grew up watching Red Auerbach and a Celtics franchise that wouldn't rest. They looked for opportunities, and we feel like we had five or six that came free [in free agency]. What we were not going to do was hesitate. Not if you are going to win."
Lurie, speaking to reporters at Lehigh, wanted nothing to do with any baseball comparison. Asked whether the frenzy of free-agent signings this summer was inspired by how the Phillies have operated, he said: "No, not at all. It's so different. Are we building a pitching staff? No. It's a completely different evolution."
Wow.
"We have a salary cap," Lurie continued. "We are just trying to maximize players. I think they've done a great job with the pitching staff there, and I admire it. We're keeping up with the Jerry Joneses."
This was said only a few days after the Phillies traded for Hunter Pence, who has yet to pitch for the Phillies. In minimizing the Phillies' success to three pitchers acquired, Lurie discounted both the architects and architecture that preceded that stockpile. Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Carlos Ruiz, Cole Hamels, Ryan Madson are all homespun Phillies, as are youngsters Michael Stutes and Antonio basticho. Raul Ibanez and Placido Polanco were free-agent signings. The Phillies' outfield next season will have no one over 31. Lurie is right to say the cap weakens comparisons between the sports, but to dismiss what the Phillies have done as a case of a few high-priced arms is erroneous and, it would appear, envious.
Why not use the question as an opportunity to heap praise on his next-door neighbors? It makes you look better, not worse, Jeff.
If you want to pick an aggressive baseball team to compare yourselves to, why not cite the Phillies, Joe? The Sox, after all, weren't even in the running when Cliff Lee, Roy Oswalt and Roy Halladay were out there to be had.
Truth is, Red Sox GM Theo Epstein would love to have Ruben Amaro Jr.'s track record over the last 4 years. I just came from New England. John Lackey, J.D. Drew, even Beckett's recurring injury history - they are not as impressed with Theo up there as Joe B. is down here.
Against the backdrop of what is shaping up as a historic season for the Phillies, though - against the backdrop of the last four autumns and the explosion of Phillies merchandise onto what was once a predominantly green scene - both men seem at the very least petty in their reluctance to throw bouquets the Phillies' way.
The Phillies do that for the Eagles, by the way. Their announcers spoke freely and gushed over the moves of the last week. The members of their inner circle grew up here as Eagles fans.
Who knows, maybe some still are.
But the pettiness makes that hard. And it's so, so unnecessary. Lurie and Banner have surrounded themselves with layers of public-relations specialists, and they are arguably the most competent in town. I'll bet if they were asked, they would have advised an "Aw Shucks" approach to all the preseason praise their moves have received. Instead, they laud themselves as "risk takers" and tout their "aggressive" approach before anyone from the outside can do that for them.
The bottom line is that it leaves you with an icky feeling. At a time when the two could really turn the civic tide in their favor. There are plenty of books out there about how we think in these parts, documentaries, too. They might want to pick up a few before their next interview. Just a thought.
Did a woman write that? The only good part of the article was :CF's filter changing Bastar*o to basticho
you wouldnt understand being a mopar driving classic rock singing MA
this is city bidness dooks
Yeah, f the media. They are pissed that there were no leaks. They were as stunned by NA and they hate not being informed. They are a bunch of sniveling little weasels. As far as I am concerned, Banner and Lurie are gods. Who gives a shtein if they pump up the Phillies or not? I haven't seen David Montgomery and RAJ pumping up the Birds. Maybe the air staff has, but then againg we haven't heard Merril on the air yet.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
you wouldnt understand being a mopar driving classic rock singing MA
this is city bidness dooks
A) MOPAR (short for MOtor PARts) is Chrysler, Dodge, and Plymouth; the Riviera was made by Buick (GM)
2) I don't sing
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 09, 2011, 09:50:28 AM
I haven't seen David Montgomery and RAJ pumping up the Birds.
you dont hear dave montgomery say anything because you dont care about the phillies and live in god who knows where....montgomery is always big uppin the eagles...hes a monster eagle fan...as is amaro...they are philly thru and thru...four for four son
its one thing for lurie and banner to be boston die hards...i mean thats where they are from cant fault them there...but to have utter contempt for the rest of the teams in the city particularly a model franchise like the phils is disgusting
but i wouldnt expect that to bother most people here....and thats cool as well
IGY, I lived in the area my whole life until this past February. To say I am not a Philly fan is retarded. I was at the Parade in 80 and 08. I was at WS games in 80, 83, 93 and 08. I helped break Bert Hooten in '78. I had season tickets in the Vet for 6 years. I couldn't care less what the Eagles brass says about the Phillies or vice versa.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 09, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
I couldn't care less what the Eagles brass says about the Phillies or vice versa.
of course you dont
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: lurking wierdo on August 09, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
I couldn't care less what the Eagles brass says about the Phillies or vice versa.
of course you dont
Why would you care?
cause im four for four....and want the city teams to form a world sports power
one of the coolest shirts ever was the breast cancer shirt that had the phillie and eagles emblems above the city skyline....makes me feel weird in the bathing suit area
keep rooting for the gamecocks cranial lump
You have a problem with me loving the Cocks?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
one of the coolest shirts ever was the breast cancer shirt that had the phillie and eagles emblems above the city skyline
My sister-in-law just had reconstructive surgery and bought a breast cancer shirt that says "Yes they're fake...the real ones tried to kill me"
I think it's funny
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
you wouldnt understand being a mopar driving classic rock singing MA
this is city bidness dooks
Lol @ maryland
on the short list of most liberal states in the country and home of the errand
lol @ YOU
Was attempting to make light of you telling T-Hawk he didn't get "city bidness" whilst you posted from another state.
I'm completely surprised he didn't get that. For real. I mean it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
cause im four for four....and want the city teams to form a world sports power
one of the coolest shirts ever was the breast cancer shirt that had the phillie and eagles emblems above the city skyline....makes me feel weird in the bathing suit area
keep rooting for the gamecocks cranial lump
I wore that shirt the other day
At the Grand Canyon?
Under his Trotter joint
Next time I wear it is when I beat the shtein out of you two. :P
When are all three of you going to be in Paris at the same time, let alone standing under the Arc de Triomphe together?
Quote from: ice grillin you on August 09, 2011, 10:26:59 AM
cause im four for four....and want the city teams to form a world sports power
one of the coolest shirts ever was the breast cancer shirt that had the phillie and eagles emblems above the city skyline....makes me feel weird in the bathing suit area
keep rooting for the gamecocks cranial lump
I wear that shirt often. My mother's a survivor and I wear it with pride.
Quote from: General_Failure on August 09, 2011, 06:28:01 PM
When are all three of you going to be in Paris at the same time, let alone standing under the Arc de Triomphe together?
Bwahaha
Quote from: b-man on August 09, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
I wear that shirt often. My mother's a survivor and I wear it with pride.
Pretty sure you people wear everything with "pride."
Quote from: Sgt PSN on August 09, 2011, 09:35:14 PM
Quote from: b-man on August 09, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
I wear that shirt often. My mother's a survivor and I wear it with pride.
Pretty sure you people wear everything with "pride."
You know it, Choda Boy
Damn....that's old skool.
That's how I roll. In my wheelchair.
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Caption this? Or does it already speak for itself beyond what we could add.
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AS SPORTS TEAMS GO, the Eagles are known to reporters as being the organization that complains the most about coverage and threatens to block access, or otherwise intimidate press outlets. The newest example of this could be the team's most brazen and apparently sucessful campaign of intimidation thus far.
Sources say that the Eagles front office approached Comcast SportsNet and said that the team didn't want John Gonzalez covering the team in any fashion. Gonzalez, who left the Inquirer for CSNPhilly.com over the summer, hasn't said a word about the team on the website, or posted about the Eagles on Twitter, where his musings have included football games such as Temple/Penn State coverage.
Gonzo, as he was dubbed at the Inquirer, declined to comment, and referred our inquiry to Comcast SportsNet spokeswoman Maureen Quilter, who said, "Comcast SportsNet and CSNPhilly.com have plenty of Eagles coverage with Ray Didinger and Reuben Frank on the digital side and Derrick Gunn on the TV side . . .. If we need John to write about the Eagles he will."
Asked again, specifically, whether the Eagles had complained about Gonzalez, Quilter replied: "We talk with all the teams, including the Eagles, all the time. And as a good business practice, we don't share those conversations with the public."
If Gonzalez upset the team, it likely was through his Inquirer columns. Asked if the Eagles had ever complained about Gonzo, Inquirer sports editor John Quinn said, "Every organization at some point complains about coverage and columnists."
Eagles spokesman Rob Zeiger says that the team "made no such request" about Gonzalez not covering the team.
And here I thought Snyder was the only douchebag who would try to pull that shtein. What the farg is wrong with these people?
Jesus Christ - come on, Eagles. Grow the farg up.
In their defense, Todd has more cred than Gonzo.
Both should be buried in lime.
The only reason Gonzo left the Inky was because they tried to force him to the gossip beat. So he rolled out to CSN
domo
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FOR MOST of his 13 seasons as the Eagles head coach, Andy Reid has viewed his fireside chats with reporters as a necessary evil. Part of the job. Right down there with roster cuts and phone calls from Mama McNabb.
In the beginning, he actually put some effort into it. While he never has been a great quote, he tried to be as honest as he could and at least point us in the general direction of the truth.
But somewhere along the line, that ended. Somewhere along the line, we stopped being a necessary evil to Reid and started becoming a nuisance. I'm sure that's been pretty obvious to anyone who has watched his news conferences the last couple of weeks.
He has sat up there in front of us during his team's early-season 1-3 free fall looking like a guy who would rather be doing wind sprints than answering our questions.
I've been covering pro football for nearly 30 years, and when Eagles fans would moan and groan about the lack of information that would come out of Reid's news conferences, I usually would tell them two things.
I would tell them that Reid really was no different than most of the league's other coaches. And I would tell them that, while Reid seldom gave you much, what he did give you was the truth. He wouldn't lie.
But sadly, that ended a while back as well. Over the last couple of years, Reid has regularly lied with the best of them, or shaped the truth to fit his own purposes.
He acknowledged his media operating strategy in a brief exchange at his Monday news conference with talk-show host Mike Missanelli when he said, "I'll give you what I want to give you. "
These days, that's very little. After 13 years as the Eagles' king, after 13 years of listening to his agent tell him how powerful and omniscient he is, Reid feels he can do pretty much whatever he wants, whether it's promoting an offensive-line coach to defensive coordinator or defying the NFL's media policy.
According to the league rules, clubs must provide regular access to all of their assistant coaches for media interviews. To my knowledge, 31 of the league's 32 teams abide by the policy. The Eagles are the lone exception.
Reid allows his coordinators to talk to the media, but has put all of his position coaches off-limits. When Reid wouldn't allow me to talk to offensive-line coach Howard Mudd or defensive-line coach Jim Washburn this summer, I reminded him that he had to make all of his assistants available or face a $25,000 fine. He just gave me an I-don't-really-give-a-damn shrug along with an explanation that he wanted just "one voice" on his coaching staff. That, of course, would be Andrew Walter Reid.
He more or less suggested that allowing his assistants to talk to me, or any other reporter, probably would mean the end of civilization as we know it. Seems to have conveniently forgotten that he was allowed to speak freely with reporters when he was an assistant on Mike Holmgren's staff in Green Bay and neither the Packers nor civilization skipped a beat.
What's going on here is the same thing that goes on in a bad marriage that has gone on too long.
"When you're in the same place for a long time, there's a tendency for both sides to get tired of each other," said Jim Mora, who spent 10 1/2 seasons as the Saint's head coach from 1986 to 1996 before walking away in the middle of the year.
"If you're continuing to win as a football team, then it's not bad. It makes things easier. There's less tension. There's less negatives being written about you and your team.
"But once you start not doing well, which was the case for me in New Orleans and for Jeff Fisher down in Tennessee, he was there a long time, too, and the last couple of years he was struggling. Then it becomes a tough situation."
Reid is the winningest coach in Eagles history. He's taken the team to the playoffs nine times in the last 12 years. His team's have won six division titles and advanced to the NFC title game five times.
But after 12 seasons, he still hasn't won a Super Bowl, and as far as Eagles fans are concerned, that's pretty much all that really matters. Now, despite an influx of high-priced talent, the Eagles are 1-3. Not the way Reid envisioned it, and not the way the media and fans envisioned it.
Mora understands what they're feeling. Understands what Reid is feeling. He took over a hapless Saints franchise that had never had a winning season and turned it into a 12-game winner his second year there. Was the toast of the town for several years. But at some point, you've got to take the next step. He won a lot of games, got the Saints to the playoffs several times, but never won a postseason game.
"Bill Walsh used to say 10 years was the longest a coach ought to stay anywhere," Mora said. "Back in those days, it was a little different because you didn't have free agency and you kept the same guys and they kind of got tired of listening to you.
"Nowadays, with the turnover on squads because of free agency, I'm not sure the 10-year plan is something you have to adhere to. But in dealing with the media, it all boils down to your relationship with them and the success you're having.
"If you're winning and having success, then it's workable. Once you start losing and not living up to what people think you ought to be doing, it gets tough. Especially in a town like Philly."
Mora's relationship with the media in New Orleans his last couple of years there became as frayed as Reid's is becoming with us. The Saints were losing and reporters kept asking him why and he got tired of trying to come up with excuses, since he really couldn't say, "Hey, our players just aren't very good."
"My patience level toward the end?" Mora said. "Yeah, it wasn't good. It never was great, but it got worse."
Mora still remembers his biggest agitator, former New York Mets outfielder Ron Swoboda, who worked for a TV station in New Orleans.
"A former major league ballplayer who won a World Series and he would come and ask the dumbest questions I've ever heard in my career, ever," Mora said. "And it got worse when we weren't winning.
"You look at [Terry] Francona with the Red Sox. He was probably there too long. You get to a point and you've had success, but maybe not quite the ultimate success, and people get frustrated with you and take it out on you.
"I know the people in Philly are tough to please and I know they want a Super Bowl championship, which Andy hasn't been able to give them. They expect so much that, when he wins playoff games but not the Super Bowl, they get on his case."
Anybody know a good divorce lawyer?
Fck Mora
Tough to please?
Just Win a Super Bowl.
The end.
farg that, I want a five-peat
Reids attitude sucks. He thinks he's untouchable. If he got fired Sunday morning, I'd jump for joy.
Banner's gonna have some extra spring in his step this weekend.
That motherfarger is dancing naked around his mansion right now.
i'm going to start the "Occupy Broad Street" movement as soon as I sober up.
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2011, 12:59:03 AM
i'm going to start the "Occupy Broad Street" movement as soon as I sober up.
:yay
king and cuzz are on wip saying that howie is definitely top dog when it come to personell...that they know for a fact thru multiple sources that
a. andy wanted jpp howie wanted graham
b. andy wanted pimp signed a year and a half ago...howie did not (and probably still doesnt)
c. andy didnt want assy howie did
Quote from: Yeti on October 19, 2011, 12:59:03 AM
i'm going to start the "Occupy Broad Street" movement as soon as I sober up.
This is still my favorite post of 2011
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 01, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
king and cuzz are on wip saying that howie is definitely top dog when it come to personell...that they know for a fact thru multiple sources that
a. andy wanted jpp howie wanted graham
b. andy wanted pimp signed a year and a half ago...howie did not (and probably still doesnt)
c. andy didnt want assy howie did
That's what happens when you have a little nerd Jew lawyer as your gm.
ok adolph
The only one of those 3 things that I buy is the Desean extension. Graham is exactly the kind of player Reid always takes. And who wouldn't want the best FA corner on the market especially at a position of need.
forget the fact that two different people who hate each other and have different sources are agreeing on the same thing
all you have to do it look at the last two drafts and know that andy has taken a back seat...andys guy heckert leaving and banners guy howie being hired is another clear sign that the times have changed
hopefully andy wins the pimp battle
Whereas the eagles have missed on picks throughout the entire Reid era, they've never missed on entire drafts until Roseman took over.
yeah reid was never ron wolf or anything but he wasnt the worst gm in the league either...which after two years is where howie about sits
The thing is I don't see how these drafts are any different than what they have done under Reid. Lots of trading and taking "character" guys.
I am by no means defending Roseman so far the last two drafts have been less than stellar.
QuoteThe Seattle Seahawks and RB Marshawn Lynch agreed to a four-year deal for $31 million Sunday, March 4. The deal is for $17 million guaranteed.
Gonna get interesting
pretty crazy that if pimp plays out his franchise take this year he will already be over halfway towards lynchs overall guarnteed money
Arian Foster gets 5/43mil
What's shady gonna get? 5/40?
Injured. Lowballed. Cut.
Shady deserves more than Foster. He ain't getting it here, but he still does.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
you dont have to tell me - howie and i go to the same synagogue
0% chance youve stepped inside shul more than 4 times in your life
your jewishness makes sandy koufax look like yentel
:-D
banner part of the ownership group who has bid to buy the browns....im sure tom heckert is thrilled
All the Olde Country Buffets in the greater Cleveland area are closing early, just in case.