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wow
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6025347
WTF? We all wanted it but never thought fatty would turn on his own.
A WOO HOO!
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New blood or Jauron?
Rob Ryan might be available but it looks like Dallas will get him first
Great start to the offseason. :yay
Yeah, farg free agency.
did they fire half the defense too? because it really doesn't matter then
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 15, 2011, 05:53:46 PM
Rob Ryan might be available but it looks like Dallas will get him first
Isn't Rob Ryan pretty much a 3-4 guy? I don't want Jauron but the personnel seem to fit his scheme best.
Between this and the Ravens winning, I may furiously masturbate tonight.
good
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2011, 05:55:06 PM
did they fire half the defense too? because it really doesn't matter then
yup
this news is zzzzzzzz until they get some players
IGY - at least it means Reid realizes they sucked and had the gumption to actually do something about it. knowing is half the battle the other half he hasnt figured out..............
the accountability aspect of this move is awesome...im just saying from an on the field point of view its much about nothing
Whatever, man. Call it the first step. Good move by the FO.
No...Igy MUST bitch about it.
Whether the talent is there or not, there's absolutely 0 question in my mind that the defense would have been better with a Coordinator that understand the abilities of his defense and used them as such.
Reid said Kolb would be the starting quarterback no matter what. Then he watched the tape and decided he had to go with Mike Vick.
A few days ago, Reid said they weren't firing McDermott. I guess Andy finally got around to watching the tape.
Yes!!
Wow
late to the party but holy shtein this is great news!!
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 15, 2011, 06:36:38 PM
Reid said Kolb would be the starting quarterback no matter what. Then he watched the tape and decided he had to go with Mike Vick.
A few days ago, Reid said they weren't firing McDermott. I guess Andy finally got around to watching the tape.
from day one andy reid has never opened up about anything...so this shouldnt be a surprise
the receivers are fine....BOOM! terrell owens
lol you people are incredible.
the same people who called for a farging wide receiver coach to be fired when they had thrash and pinkston. IT'S THE PLAYERS.
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2011, 06:53:07 PM
lol you people are incredible.
the same people who called for a farging wide receiver coach to be fired when they had thrash and pinkston. IT'S THE PLAYERS.
it really is amazing
This move is meaningless without a change in personnel on the field, but nothing about his defensive schemes worked. Nothing.
The red zone defense was the worst too. There's only 30 yards of field to cover and I don't know how many times players just walked into the end zone against this defense. That's why I wanted him gone.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 06:54:01 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2011, 06:53:07 PM
lol you people are incredible.
the same people who called for a farging wide receiver coach to be fired when they had thrash and pinkston. IT'S THE PLAYERS.
it really is amazing
Seriously? You think the problems were only due to the players and the coaches had nothing to do with it?
this is the eagles taking the easy way out with the fans, they make this change and look good to most of the dummies who think he was the problem. now, when they again don't draft or sign an impact defensive player...they can say "we changed the defensive coordinator like you wanted"
So Reid makes his decisions on firing coaches based on what the fans want?
They aren't/weren't signing or drafting an impact defensive player anyway, so what's your point?
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 15, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
So Reid makes his decisions on firing coaches based on what the fans want?
yeah, that's what i said.
see 90% of eagles fans, dummies that think the defensive coordinator is the biggest problem with the defense, are now happy. so the eagles are off the hook for the offseason. they can point to this coaching change why the defense will be better and most of you will buy it.
I'd bet $100 the defense would have been better with a different coordinator this past year.
Of course, "better" relative to how terrible they were all year.
Players matter of course, but Opie just had horrid schemes in place. I don't care if he had an all-rookie squad on the field, there was no excuse for all of the open opposing WR's this season.
i think mcdermott was over his head...and im glad hes gone..but firing him is burying the lead....the dearth of talent on this defense is agregious and 100 times more the problem than sean mcdermott and it makes all you people cheering like they just won a playoff game look silly
i mean if i wanted to i could make an argument that sean mcdermott is a fine coordinator since he got a collection of stiffs to finish the year in the top half of the league in defense...it wouldnt fly but it would make more sense than wanting to throw a parade cause the DC is gone
Let me get this straight... There are people actually upset about this move? I understand taking a wait and see approach on the players, but was there any question McDermott left something to be desired? I mean... Really? You are going to be little bitches after this move?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 15, 2011, 07:35:30 PM
Let me get this straight... There are people actually upset about this move?
reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it
no coach with that kind of red zone stat should be wearing an nfl headset. period.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
i mean if i wanted to i could make an argument that sean mcdermott is a fine coordinator since he got a collection of stiffs to finish the year in the top half of the league in defense...it wouldnt fly but it would make more sense than wanting to throw a parade cause the DC is gone
Not my fault you seem to want to use a good move as an excuse to complain about something the FO can't fix yet. Just go ahead and bitch well into March, ok?
i thought it was a wait and see, now it's a good move? you sure didn't wait long or see much
I question the assertion that 90% of Eagle fans think the defense is fine now.
Good move - Firing McDermott
Wait and see - Player personnel moves
Not hard to understand if you're actually trying to.
well hopefully they can hire someone that will turn Moises Foku into Terrell Suggs. that would be optimal.
So would you like to go on the record that they should have kept Seanny McD? C'mon, I double dog dare you.
I've been preaching this forever but it isn't McDermott as much as it is the philosophy of the D. They need a new one. The type of defensive players they bring in are to fit their philosophy. The quick small guys approach is crap. It's like they think they're the 2002 Bucs, only the Bucs guys had talent.
Get defensive tackles with size, not guys who use their hands and specialize in shooting gaps
Get Defensive Ends that are tall and rangy, not stout guys who wear down
Get LBs who are stout and physical in the box, not small quick guys who get pushed all over the field and over run plays
DBs are a different story
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 15, 2011, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:40:33 PM
reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
i mean if i wanted to i could make an argument that sean mcdermott is a fine coordinator since he got a collection of stiffs to finish the year in the top half of the league in defense...it wouldnt fly but it would make more sense than wanting to throw a parade cause the DC is gone
Not my fault you seem to want to use a good move as an excuse to complain about something the FO can't fix yet. Just go ahead and bitch well into March, ok?
i dont get why you quoted me there...makes no sense...but then again you just were complaing about people being upset with mcdermott being fired when not a single person said anything remotely like that
maybe this will help:
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
i think mcdermott was over his head...and im glad hes gone..but firing him is burying the lead....the dearth of talent on this defense is agregious and 100 times more the problem than sean mcdermott and it makes all you people cheering like they just won a playoff game look silly
i mean if i wanted to i could make an argument that sean mcdermott is a fine coordinator since he got a collection of stiffs to finish the year in the top half of the league in defense...it wouldnt fly but it would make more sense than wanting to throw a parade cause the DC is gone
Right, so instead of simply agreeing with the move, you choose to actually use it as a springboard to complain about things that can't be changed for months.
About farging time. They should have fired him after they almost lost the Detroit game because of the D.
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2011, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 15, 2011, 07:03:00 PM
So Reid makes his decisions on firing coaches based on what the fans want?
yeah, that's what i said.
see 90% of eagles fans, dummies that think the defensive coordinator is the biggest problem with the defense, are now happy. so the eagles are off the hook for the offseason. they can point to this coaching change why the defense will be better and most of you will buy it.
yes, Andy Reid doesn't want to win. we can trace his motives back to his clear plan to farg with Eagles fans for no apparent reason, to the detriment of his own career.
brilliant. you should work for NASA.
no more brandon graham playing DT and trying to cover? good stuff.
no more worst red zone defense in decades? even better stuff.
most fans aren't going to think the off season is complete, especially on the defensive side of the ball. the D was average on its very best day. regardless of talent, a better coordinator will definitely help. just ask.. if JJ were still here, would they have been that bad? definitely not.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 15, 2011, 08:03:31 PM
Right, so instead of simply agreeing with the move, you choose to actually use it as a springboard to complain about things that can't be changed for months.
no i choose to use it as a way to laugh at people who think it means anything and are treating it like its great and super meaningful news
board
internet
eagles fans
country
planet
would all be better if people thought like me and sunny
Quote from: LBIggle on January 15, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
if JJ were still here, would they have been that bad? definitely not.
who cares and what does a dead guy have to do with this current defense?
Because the guys they had this year were also stiffs. Duh.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
what does a dead guy have to do with this current defense?
they play like JJ is still coaching them. dead JJ
The path this thread has taken is the least surprising thing in the history of the world.
Like I said in the game thread...it wasn't the "talent" that had Daryl Tapp covering Donald Driver on a big 3rd and long.
This is an instant improvement. The defense will still be subpar but it will no doubt fare better with a better D Coordinator.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
Quote from: LBIggle on January 15, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
if JJ were still here, would they have been that bad? definitely not.
who cares and what does a dead guy have to do with this current defense?
he doesn't. the point is a coordinator with even half of JJ's abilities to hide weaknesses and maximize his players abilities is infinite amounts of times better than mcdermott throwing graham into coverage. obviously it matters on who they plug in there.. but you really can't do any worst. at the very least this is a start to getting a new philosophy on defense, and hopefully getting someone that can actually evaluate defensive talent to play the scheme.
yeah i think we all agree jj was a better DC than sean mcdermott....you didnt get the mass fax?
sean mcdermott is a horrible defensive coordinator. watch any games?
hes not good thats for sure...whether hes horrible i dont think we will ever know unless he gets another job with a defense that has some talent
everyone is a horrible coach with horrible players
and no i didnt see any games this year...fill me in please
Here's the deciding factor on McDermott in my eyes: Redzone defense is an area of the field where DC's can get creative because the field is shorter and you don't have to worry so much about getting beat deep. You can bring your safety's up into the box or do whatever and there isn't as big of a concern. In that area he was the worse in 25 years. McDermott was really good at slowing defenses down and not letting them score quick TDs. Unfortunately the offense is a quick strike offense and doesn't run the ball so going with that sort of defense isn't good.
Quote from: SunMo on January 15, 2011, 07:01:11 PM
this is the eagles taking the easy way out with the fans, they make this change and look good to most of the dummies who think he was the problem. now, when they again don't draft or sign an impact defensive player...they can say "we changed the defensive coordinator like you wanted"
Have you been paying attention to the Eagles for the last 10 years?
they wouldn't have been a top 5 defense, but they would've been better with a coordinator that wasn't sean mcdermott. maybe the guy just needs some more experience.. but with the talent you have on offense in its prime right now.. you need a better defense right now. mcdermott was out of time, plain and simple. as i said before.. it depends on who they put in the vacancy and if their able to get the right players to play a better scheme.. but you can't say it's not a step in the right direction.
It's the players AND the scheme/coordinator.
However load up on players all you want but if the scheme and plays suck it doesn't matter.
Fire Segrest too.
You people!
with lots of talent and mcdermott the defense could be top 5
with dick lebeau and the current talent its a middle of the pack defense
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
with lots of talent and mcdermott the defense could be top 5
With that level of talent, Munson could coach them to a top 10 finish.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 08:46:56 PM
with dick lebeau and the current talent its a middle of the pack defense
Which is still an improvement.
awesome...lets celebrate!
Happy to hear McDermotts gone. Can't say I'm confident they won't hire a clown to replace him.
im pretty sure theyll hire dick jauron and things will only mildly get better
First of all, I called this so let's just take a moment to reflect on how awesome I am.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 10, 2011, 08:44:38 PM
I don't really think we can take Andy Reid at his word on this one. This is mister Donoan McNabb is my quarterback, after all.
I'm certainly not suggesting that McDermott is gone and Andy is just being coy, but we're about 25 hours removed from the end of the season. No chance Reid is telling the world he's firing his DC immediately after a playoff loss.
No one saw this coming but me. Seriously.
Second, I HAVE to believe that a new DC will bring a new outlook on personel criteria. So while I agree that McDermott had nothing to work with this year, I also think that a new DC (whoever it ends up being) will bring in and seek out a different kind of player to run his scheme. No guarantees that their scheme will be any better but the idea of a different kind of player being brought in to run a different scheme has got to be exciting for Eagles fans, you dumb salty batards.
I'm delighted by this move. The players weren't the problem, it was the scheme. With a new DC, these linebackers are going to shine.
Dio gets the gold star for teh sarcasms.
on ESPN this morning, Mort said to look out for Jim Mora (i'm assuming Jr.) for the job.
i'm sure he can get Ernie Sims to grow 3 inches, gain 30 pounds and take better angles on the ball.
Figures. Holmgren's bitch is exactly the kind of guy Reid would hire.
Probably not, but he is an expert at clipboard-slamming.
Good....when a team puts out a historically bad red zone defense, somebody has to pay. Hopefully the new DC will fire the "speedballs" philosophy too
Quote from: SunMo on January 16, 2011, 11:41:09 AM
on ESPN this morning, Mort said to look out for Jim Mora (i'm assuming Jr.) for the job.
i'm sure he can get Ernie Sims to grow 3 inches, gain 30 pounds and take better angles on the ball.
Sims averaged 125 tackles a year under Marinelli and McDermott used him in a similar way. Just sayin. He's not all pro material but even if he doesn't get back to that level, a good coach could doubtless get more out of him.
why do people think the philosophy is going to change? it isn't. the philosophy comes from Andy and he'll hire someone who shares his view on defense.
he hired JJ because of the type of scheme his defenses were.
JJ had tremendous talent to use and used them well. the problem is, ray rhodes players started leaving and Andy Reid players started taking over.
Why is that an assumption? What evidence do we have that the defense is an extension of Andy Reid's philosophy on that side of the ball?
um, because he's said it a million times.
I'm more hoping the philosophy will change than thinking it will. There's a better chance it changes now than if McDermott weren't fired.
how could the "philosophy" NOT change?
Beyond the draft, I don't think Reid spends much time thinking about the defense. In support of this claim I remind you that he is a former offensive lineman, a Ginger, and a Mormon.
Quote from: SunMo on January 16, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
um, because he's said it a million times.
Outside of vanilla non-quotes I've never heard Reid say anything substantial about the defense. Not a single word. Certainly nothing about his personal philosophy. He just regurgitated JJ's philosophy. Entirely possible that I've missed millions of his thoughtful pontifications about the workings of the defense, but I have never had the impression that he had a hand in crafting the scheme.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 16, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
how could the "philosophy" NOT change?
Beyond the draft, I don't think Reid spends much time thinking about the defense. In support of this claim I remind you that he is a former offensive lineman, a Ginger, and a Mormon.
Word on the street is Reid has said at least a billion times that the defensive philosophy is his. Sorry, no link to validate
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 16, 2011, 12:06:08 PM
um, because he's said it a million times.
Outside of vanilla non-quotes I've never heard Reid say anything substantial about the defense. Not a single word. Certainly nothing about his personal philosophy. He just regurgitated JJ's philosophy. Entirely possible that I've missed millions of his thoughtful pontifications about the workings of the defense, but I have never had the impression that he had a hand in crafting the scheme.
he's the head coach and makes all personnel decisions. but yeah, i'm sure Jim farging Mora is going to get him to change is mind about fastballs.
Maybe he'll convince Reid that Vick guy will never amount to anything.
I'm sure that Andy Reid gets no input on defensive personel decisions from his defensive coaches. Makes sense.
As I understand it, the DC in Philly is really just a figurehead. He gets no input in the draft, in which players start, in what overall scheme to run (3-4, 4-3, 6-1, etc), when to call a blitz, etc. It's all Andy.
why is this hard to comprehend?
andy reid has always said the lines on both side of the ball are most important. he said that pressuring the quarterback is job #1 of the defense. so, he found a defensive coordinator (johnson) who shared this philosophy.
andy reid is a control freak who oversees every aspect of the football team...but now i'm supposed to believe that he just picked a name out of a hat for his first defensive coordinator and then adopted is philosophy?
holy shtein, this is neaderthal level retarded, even for this board.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 12:18:04 PM
I'm sure that Andy Reid gets no input on defensive personel decisions from his defensive coaches. Makes sense.
input? yes.
but the input is from guys who share his philosophy...just like the next guy. so the input amounts to, "Yeah, i like that small fast guy too Andy! Draft him!"
Quote from: SunMo on January 16, 2011, 12:20:02 PMwhy is this hard to comprehend?
because it's idiotic.
idiotic...yes. true...yes.
Andy doesn't draw up Xs and Os. Saying that everything starts with the lines and that the defense needs to get after the QB? OH MY GOD, HOW NOVEL. I'm convinced. The defense is all his.
I wonder which team he'll get the DC gig for once he finally gets fired. I hope it isn't the taterskins.
Also Andy's moves are inspired by what he can do to keep the fans placated, while not actually improving the team. Brilliant. I feel like I am awake for the first time.
Mort says ex-Cardinal/49er DC Billy Davis is also in the running. Not exciting
Roob Frank thinks Singletary will get an interview too
The best part of this thread is Sunny's avatar.
Goddamn I can't wait for pitchers & catchers to report.
The thought of Mora as the DC makes me want to vomit.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 12:48:47 PM
Andy doesn't draw up Xs and Os. Saying that everything starts with the lines and that the defense needs to get after the QB? OH MY GOD, HOW NOVEL. I'm convinced. The defense is all his.
I wonder which team he'll get the DC gig for once he finally gets fired. I hope it isn't the taterskins.
oh really? he doesn't draw up x's and o's? thanks for shedding light on that for me.
i guess you're just being ignorant to my point to be an ass because i really don't think you are this dumb.
let me try one more time with short sentences.
andy reid has a defensive philosophy.
he hires coaches that believe in that philosophy.
those coaches then agree with andy, heckert, howie, whomever when it comes to players
therefore, while andy reid doesn't actually get involved with defensive playcalling (before this year) his philosophy sets them up to fail from the start, especially since they can't pick defensive players to save their life.
none of this is debatable.
btw, that mcgraw douche agrees with you, that should be a pretty good indicator that you're wrong.
Yes, you and igy are the last bastions of wisdom in Philadelphia fandom.
pretty much. at the very least we're not idiotic homers who celebrate a dc firing like it actually means something.
it means nothing unless they either get a coordinator who schemes for the players he has (which mcdermott never did) or get players who can, you know, actually farging play.
I don't think it makes much of a difference, but I don't see how it hurts. I was just offended by your awful logic.
Please don't mention mpm. I have him on ignore dammit.
Look, I get what Sun is saying and I suppose that a general philosophy of speed can be traced back to Reid but I think its pretty plain that you are exaggerating the influence that Reid has on the end result of the defense. Dummy.
:(
how can i exaggerate it? he's the vp of football operations. he picks the coordinators and drafts the talent.
three of the four starters on the line suck, all three linebackers suck, and three of the four defensive backs are awful.
until that gets resolved who makes the defensive play calls is almost completely irrelevant.
You guys are right. Why bother even having a DC? Maybe they'll name Duce DC or Howie. Doesn't matter anyway.
it would be funny to see duce do it because all the audible calls would be things like donut, cheeseburger, or honey glazed ham.
But not chrysanthemum.
Apparently both John Fox and Ron Rivera are interested in hiring McDermott as their defensive coordinator.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 01:26:26 PM
I think its pretty plain that you are exaggerating the influence that Reid has on the end result of the defense.
its not exaggerated because andy chooses all the players
it may sound like an oversimplification but its true...the ravens defense has been so good for so long because ozzie newsome has a particular philosophy and knowledge when it comes to the talent he acquires
remember towards the end of jim johnsons reign people began to get fed up with him and his supposed defensive philosphy...it had little to do with jj and mostly to do with the retirement and aging of his talent and reids inability to effectively replace it
the last year they had a good defense was 2008. Yes, it was JJ's last year, but they also had assante, sheldon, lito, and dawk on that d. it was before stewies acl and they also had darren howard as a situational pass rusher who gave them 10 sacks.
the bears are a perfect example of why players matter over scheme.
everybody and their mother knows what's coming with the Tampa 2...but the bears have farging playmakers who can get pressure without blitzing and make plays in the back end.
No one is arguing that. Everyone knows that this team needs more talent. We're simply arguing that the coordinator matters too. Jesus.
No, we obviously all believe that getting a new coordinator means the defense will now be top 5 and they don't need to improve the talent at all. Obviously. Literally.
Segrest just got canned too
Quote from: rjs246 on January 16, 2011, 04:43:25 PM
No one is arguing that. Everyone knows that this team needs more talent. We're simply arguing that the coordinator matters too. Jesus.
Don't you put words in my mouth Don't speak on my behalf, you son of a bitch
I'll do what I like with your mouth you whore.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 16, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
Segrest just got canned too
Good. When Babin and Clemons leave and have Pro Bowl-type seasons, you know the DL technique is pretty bad.
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/16/11/Source-Birds-fire-d-line-coach-as-overha/landing_eagles.html?blockID=392325&feedID=692
scapegoat!
When 254 pound rookie DE Brandon Graham is being given snaps at tackle you know that the coaches need to kill themselves.
they probably had him at tackle because he cant get to the qb from the edge
I like the idea of bringing in a really solid DC and letting him do whatever the hell he wants scheme-wise. Giving him some more talent would be nice too. The offense is basically fine if they bring Vick back and fix the right side of the OL.
I really farging hope it isn't Jim Mora Jr. I can't stand him, he is so damn phony.
Vick & Mora together again.
LOLZ
Maybe he'll try Vick at DT.
At least then, when they try to use the DT to cover a WR, he might actually be able to do it
Pet project Segrest being fired caps a good weekend.
He sucked as STs coach and got a reprieve by being named DL coach. You suck Rory.
And before Sunny gets riled up - I know the players have to be better too.
Trotter said on WIP that he spoke to one of the defensive players after McDermott's firing and said that he was the worst DC he has ever played for.
Only because of that players talent, though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
Trotter said on WIP that he spoke to one of the defensive players Asante Samuel after McDermott's firing and said that he was the worst DC he has ever played for.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2011, 07:57:47 PM
Pet project Segrest being fired caps a good weekend.
He sucked as STs coach and got a reprieve by being named DL coach. You suck Rory.
And before Sunny gets riled up - I know the players have to be better too.
no, i'm on board with that one...he was terrible no matter where they put him
In regards to Reid the D and the philosophy: When Reid was a QB coach he was taken with what he saw from JJs defense and said to himself if I ever get a chance at this guy I'm taking it. Reid said he was a nightmare to gameplan against. Reid got him and JJ was great. JJ's system was already in place and Reid said farg it and hired McDermott thinking he could run it just as well. He gave him two years and it didn't work out. During Reid's early years as a coach he said "I'm the head coach but JJ is the head coach of the defense" meaning what he says goes. There's no way I can dig up that quote as it was years ago but he said it. Reid takes imput from his DCs and gets what they ask him too. I really thinks he sees the trend of physical defenses and knows the league has changed. Yeah, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but to me you don't fire McDermott if you think his defensive schemes are working.
They should hire Sal Alosi.
Can we all just agree that I'm right and move on?
The players suck, the scheme (and player requirements for said scheme) is outdated and the only dude who ever ran it correctly is dead. Hit reset. Done. Close thread. Kill self. Eat shtein. Die.
Gin?
Head cold, whiskey and cough syrup. All of which is preferable to gin.
I'm pretty heartbroken that you have me on ignore.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 16, 2011, 08:21:54 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 16, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
Trotter said on WIP that he spoke to one of the defensive players Asante Samuel after McDermott's firing and said that he was the worst DC he has ever played for.
lol....beat me to it
Know who should get a look but won't because there's no way Reid can co-exist with him is Kevin Greene who is currently the Packers LB coach.
Did anyone else see this tidbit from Mortensen:
QuoteWhen McDermott was informed of his surprising dismissal just days after getting a vote of confidence, coach Andy Reid told the 36-year-old that the specter of filling the legendary shoes of Jim Johnson in a sports-heavy city such as Philadelphia was a contributing factor.
lol at Reid trotting out JJ's corpse as an excuse to fire a bad DC.
Quote from: mpmcgraw on January 16, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
I'm pretty heartbroken that you have me on ignore.
To be honest I don't even remember putting you on ignore. However, I intend to leave you there until I inexplicably decide to change my mind. It's how I do things.
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 16, 2011, 09:28:09 PM
Did anyone else see this tidbit from Mortensen:
QuoteWhen McDermott was informed of his surprising dismissal just days after getting a vote of confidence, coach Andy Reid told the 36-year-old that the specter of filling the legendary shoes of Jim Johnson in a sports-heavy city such as Philadelphia was a contributing factor.
lol at Reid trotting out JJ's corpse as an excuse to fire a bad DC.
I agree with it though. At least somewhat.
He was thrust into a difficult position to take over a defense run by a defensive genius under difficult circumstances. He was compared to JJ because the Eagles defense was all Jim Johnson and his crazy blitzes or whatever he cooked up.
He tried to put his twist on it and farged it all up. He did not know how or when to use what he had as personnel. He didnt know what to call or when to call it. And he never adjusted. The goddamn bubble and slip screens against the Cowboys last year will haunt me. They made no adjustments ever.
He was in over his head, his schemes sucked and he was always compared to his predecessor.
funny how many people were calling for the defensive genius' head before he croaked
and spare me the difficult position he was in...hes a farging coordinator in the nfl...he wasnt following bear bryant at alabama or vince lombardi at green bay
Quote@moisefokou
Lets pay our respect to those who have worked so hard for us, believed in us when no one did, fought for us through n through ie Sean Mcderm
whatever
and Eskin just pointed out that Mora Jr has the same agent as Andy and Holmgren, so I guess this will be a done deal by Wednesday
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 16, 2011, 11:42:00 PM
and Eskin just pointed out that Mora Jr has the same agent as Andy and Holmgren, so I guess this will be a done deal by Wednesday
@moisefokou
Lets pay our respect to those who have worked so hard for us, believed in us when no one did, fought for us through n through ie Sean Mcderm
the banner inc power structure garners strength by the hour and its comical to imagine a sean mcdermott versus it...it could be sean mcdermott himself getting the job in the first place...or howie somehow becoming a GM...or it could be an agent connection getting jim mora in here...whatever the case it runs the gamet from both ends of the spectrum and is pretty much as sickening as you can get
and you gotta love the conflicting i love you message from moises and the worst ever defensive coordinator message from assante
one guy shouldnt be in the nfl and loves the man who gave him a gift job and the other wouldnt listen to buddy ryan much less some upstart punk from lasalle high and hated the man
nevermind
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 16, 2011, 11:59:12 PM
whatever the case it runs the gamet from both ends of the spectrum and is pretty much as sickening as you can get
Almost as sickening as your overuse of cliches there, buddy.
I don't recall Mora being anything special as a D coordinator for Mariucci but he was a hack of a head coach. I don't know that hiring him would be anything mire than a lateral move if the quality if players stays the same. Especially with last years first and second rounders coming off season ending injuries.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 16, 2011, 11:42:00 PM
Quote@moisefokou
Lets pay our respect to those who have worked so hard for us, believed in us when no one did, fought for us through n through ie Sean Mcderm
whatever
I'm not surprised at all the Fokou is upset about McDermott getting canned. He knows that he'll never sniff the field in the NFL ever again other than on ST.
he's the new dc in carolina..that didnt take long
I didn't like McDermott at all. Never had confidence in him.
Quote from: DH on January 17, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
he's the new dc in carolina..that didnt take long
well the "scheme vs talent" argument isn't going to be solved anytime soon
Ellis Hobbs was DNL and he said at first he would have been good either way if McDermott was there or not. After saying that though he didn't have too much positive to say. If there is a lockout it may not matter who the next DC because how effectively is he really going to be at installing his system.
Hobbs did say a big problem was guys were being asked to do things that they had never done before. Shocking I know.
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: DH on January 17, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
he's the new dc in carolina..that didnt take long
well the "scheme vs talent" argument isn't going to be solved anytime soon
pretty sure we'll see Nick Fairley play outside linebacker at some point
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 17, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
Ellis Hobbs was DNL and he said at first he would have been good either way if McDermott was there or not. After saying that though he didn't have too much positive to say. If there is a lockout it may not matter who the next DC because how effectively is he really going to be at installing his system.
Hobbs did say a big problem was guys were being asked to do things that they had never done before. Shocking I know.
i.e. ernie sims and tackling
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 17, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
Hobbs did say a big problem was guys were being asked to do things that they had never done before. Shocking I know.
Ellis Hobbs for DC.
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: DH on January 17, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
he's the new dc in carolina..that didnt take long
well the "scheme vs talent" argument isn't going to be solved anytime soon
Wasn't Carolina a top-something defense this year?
26th in scoring....so no
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 17, 2011, 06:02:41 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 17, 2011, 05:38:54 PM
Hobbs did say a big problem was guys were being asked to do things that they had never done before. Shocking I know.
Ellis Hobbs for DC.
It was one of the better player spots that I have ever watched.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 17, 2011, 06:07:29 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2011, 05:30:08 PM
Quote from: DH on January 17, 2011, 04:52:11 PM
he's the new dc in carolina..that didnt take long
well the "scheme vs talent" argument isn't going to be solved anytime soon
Wasn't Carolina a top-something defense this year?
They were top 10 in either pass or run D fora while I think, but that's only because they were so bad at the other that teams just did that.
FWIW Rivera already said that he will call the plays.
so he hired his buddy as his puppet dc
It amazes me that igy seems to be sympathetic to McDermott.
Am I reading this right?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
It amazes me that igy seems to be sympathetic to McDermott.
I'm not sure why, he often takes the most contrary opinion to popular (or sane) sentiment in just about every thread he engages in.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
It amazes me that igy seems to be sympathetic to McDermott.
Am I reading this right?
I don't think you are reading it right. The way I interpret his posts is he's on board with the firing; he just isn't as enthusiastic as some people seem to be
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
i think mcdermott was in over his head...and im glad hes gone
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
It amazes me that igy seems to be sympathetic to McDermott.
Am I reading this right?
totally
it was def mcdermott keeping mikell from being an all pro
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 17, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
i think mcdermott was in over his head...and im glad hes gone
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 17, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
It amazes me that igy seems to be sympathetic to McDermott.
Am I reading this right?
totally
Ok, I obviously missed that.
Carry on.
Mikell is fine.
yeah, fine at being a special teamer.
sunmo can you give me one person that has suggested that firing mcdermott = the fix
the general opinion is he sucks AND the defense itself sucks
Quote from: Diomedes on January 16, 2011, 08:19:34 AM
I'm delighted by this move. The players weren't the problem, it was the scheme. With a new DC, these linebackers are going to shine.
i have no idea if that quote is made up or not but i was looking for someone who a. is sane and b. actually watches the games
Well then, I'm your man!
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 15, 2011, 08:09:00 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 15, 2011, 08:03:31 PM
Right, so instead of simply agreeing with the move, you choose to actually use it as a springboard to complain about things that can't be changed for months.
no i choose to use it as a way to laugh at people who think it means anything and are treating it like its great and super meaningful news
board
internet
eagles fans
country
planet
would all be better if people thought like me and sunny
this is my opinion todd, and once again...it's right.
so its not right to think that an incompetent dc getting fired is a good thing?
also mora is going to the broncos so andy better godfather offer cock juron
Seriously... the talent sucks.. but the DC sucked even worst. How many times did you see zone coverage or the CBs playing off when it was third and short... That's not a lack of talent.. that's an awful scheme by the DC.
That is also a lack of balls.
Looks like Mora is heading to Denver, and Jauron probably to Cleveland. Reid is on vacation and in no hurry to get a DC. This has led to speculation that he might be targeting a coach that works for one of the remaining 4 teams.
One name that has popped up is Mike Trgovac, currently the DL coach for the Packers. Another one which would make some sense is John Mitchell, the assistant HC/DL coach for the Steelers.
My speculation is that he might try to get Mike Pettine from the Jets, since he has local ties to the area.
well then--either way it looks like a guy we never even remotely heard of and just got to hope and pray he knows what the hell hes doing. awesome.
this is starting to shape up as if Reid is on his last leg here, and he might be the next to go. I know its sounds crazy, but this is usually how the trend works. not to mention, reid would be so better off in the upper management position like his boy holmgren. leave the coaching to real game day coaches. mussa begin.....
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
Looks like Mora is heading to Denver, and Jauron probably to Cleveland. Reid is on vacation and in no hurry to get a DC. This has led to speculation that he might be targeting a coach that works for one of the remaining 4 teams.
One name that has popped up is Mike Trgovac, currently the DL coach for the Packers. Another one which would make some sense is John Mitchell, the assistant HC/DL coach for the Steelers.
My speculation is that he might try to get Mike Pettine from the Jets, since he has local ties to the area.
matt millen brought these guys up on the fanatic today with sal pal. pettine is def an interesting prospect. cb west guy right ?
Well, he got his start there, but his dad is the (in)famous Mike Pettine from CB West. The junior Pettine was the head coach at North Penn for a while. I doubt he'd leave the DC job for a better defense in NY and come to Philly, but since Rex Ryan is really in charge of the D there, he might want to go somewhere that the head coach sticks to offense.
Wait, I thought Reid ran the defense too. Now I'm confused.
all three of those names are involved/run a 3/4 right ?
Good, then we have solved all this Bradley at SAM talk and they can just put him AND Chaney in the middle.
SUPERBOWL
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
My speculation is that he might try to get Mike Pettine from the Jets, since he has local ties to the area.
I'd be for this just because I know some people who played for him
That is purely my idea, so I would put roughly as much credence in it as you do a woman's sanity when she's on the rag.
Quote from: rjs246 on January 18, 2011, 12:40:22 PM
Wait, I thought Reid ran the defense too. Now I'm confused.
Reid is always at fault
Quote from: SD on January 18, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
My speculation is that he might try to get Mike Pettine from the Jets, since he has local ties to the area.
I'd be for this just because I know some people who played for him
Name dropper.
I would love to see this team switch to a 3-4....but I don't see that happening. As long as they don't bring in Davis or Mora I am pretty much good with it. And since Mora is off the list I am glad it is halfway there.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 18, 2011, 01:43:40 PM
I would love to see this team switch to a 3-4....but I don't see that happening. As long as they don't bring in Davis or Mora I am pretty much good with it. And since Mora is off the list I am glad it is halfway there.
The only thing I would cringe about this team going to a 3-4 is their lack to place the players needed to run the system. Both 4-3, and 3-4 great line play and linebacker play to be successful. Both of which the Eagles are notorious at sucking at. I would love for them to get a DC that would just get the whole defense in the film room, play Pittsburgh vs. Baltimore game film, and with his laser pointer, point at the screen and say, "This".
We'd be a whole lot better.
Good heavens. Could you imagine Fokou, Bradley, Chaney and Clayton trying to make plays? Also, neither Patterson nor Bunkley could handle the NT position. I would love to have the 3-4 but maybe we could slowly convert.
Let's all stop pretending that we know if certain current personnel are "suited" to a 3-4 and if that should be a key concern in the search for a new defensive coordinator. It's not like they were lighting the world on fire in McDermott's 4-3, so who the farg really knows?
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 02:29:59 PM
Let's all stop pretending that we know if certain current personnel are "suited" to a 3-4 and if that should be a key concern in the search for a new defensive coordinator. It's not like they were lighting the world on fire in McDermott's 4-3, so who the farg really knows?
I think people can get an idea, you look for certain attributes from a size standpoint to operate the 3-4. Tons of teams that run that scheme do exactly what the Eagles do..... ie put square pegs into round holes.
Trot had a good spot on Sportsrise this morning, talking about how the team is too small in the front 7. Its something that we all have known. But he is the second former player that I have heard mention it. He was saying either the LBs can be small or the Linemen not both.
Perfect. Sign one fat-ass. Let the existing DT's and "size" DE's battle for the DE spots. Put Trent Cole and Brandon Graham at OLB. Let the existing LB's battle for the ILB spots. Add some people. Yay 3-4.
Seriously, 3-4 vs 4-3 might be even more of a red herring than the coordinator. Like you said the Eagles already weren't playing guys to their strengths.
I don't disagree, I am just saying that you can get an idea of what type of front seven players you need for a system based on size attributes alone. That is obviously making it very simplistic......but there are NFL teams that won't even look at a guy if he doesn't meet those requirements.
Personally, I think a new DC is important. That being said this isn't CFB in the NFL talent rules.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 18, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
I am just saying that you can get an idea of what type of front seven players you need for a system based on size attributes alone. That is obviously making it very simplistic......but there are NFL teams that won't even look at a guy if he doesn't meet those requirements.
Are you saying that the NFL has a look test?
:-D sure to some degree. :-X
More Levon Kirklands
During the Hobbs piece he said what I consider the "magic words" of bad defense, "read and react". He specifically mentions read and react in the red zone. JJ was dead against any of the read react nonsense. You have to attack.
It's probably going to be Trgovac.
he has high marks from many people, so it's worth a shot
just glad it's not Mora
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 18, 2011, 07:20:21 PM
It's probably going to be Trgovac.
I'm a little surprised his name isn't popping up more. I'd rather go with hm then Mora/Davis/Jauron.
i think it's because assistants can't interview during the playoffs
I'm ok with Trgovac.
He was here as the DL coach under Rhodes and did a good job and of course as the Panthers DC too.
i dont know whats more underwhelming the firing or the hiring
actually the hire is beacause at least the firing came with an accountability factor that was as in your face as anything in the banner inc era
So who do you want, igy?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 18, 2011, 09:51:14 PM
So who do you want, igy?
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8886/momm.gif)
Take her! She'd like to ride the train up to upstate NY
:-D
Trgovac or Jauron would be fine with me. Its not like there is a fleshpop Lebeau around every corner. Reub seems to think that Jauron is still the favorite, but he thought that there is a strong possibility is will be Trgovac.
hmm must be the filter that is hilarious.
hahaha...I thought you just didn't like the guy
Well, there's Dick Jauron, and then there's a fleshpop Jauron
the coaching is irrelevant as long as Reid the puppet master rules
it's all about getting players that pass the look test
pretty much
short of making a huge splash like tripling rex ryans salary to come to philly and be DC there is no one they could hire that would excite
bob grotz is on with angelo and is saying reid wanted to keep mcdermott but was ordered from above to fire him
says that upper management since howie came on has been much more hands on...something that andy is tiring of and that for the first time in andys tenure there is a gap btwn him and the rest of banner inc
Quote from: reese125 on January 18, 2011, 12:21:39 PM
this is starting to shape up as if Reid is on his last leg here, and he might be the next to go. I know its sounds crazy, but this is usually how the trend works. not to mention, reid would be so better off in the upper management position like his boy holmgren. leave the coaching to real game day coaches. mussa begin.....
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 07:42:52 AM
bob grotz is on with angelo and is saying reid wanted to keep mcdermott but was ordered from above to fire him
says that upper management since howie came on has been much more hands on...something that andy is tiring of and that for the first time in andys tenure there is a gap btwn him and the rest of banner inc
Good. Maybe if he's undercut enough on personnel/FO decisions, he'll start working harder on gameplanning and in-game coaching skills.
Reids in game skills are like the ex-girlfriend that you always stayed with because you thought you could change her.
It takes a hell of a while, but you finally realize it's hopeless. You realize that people's behaviors won't change over time, only their bodies do.
Please never make an analogy like that again.
Sincerely,
The Universe.
Please scratch my nuts.
Sincerely,
Me
please stop trying to be me.
yours truly,
funny
I did say please.
So this Washburn guy is probably IN to coach the defensive line. Some sort of savant that apparently has no interest in becoming a coordinator.
All I know is that if shakedown Howie hires this Billy Davis farghead to coach the defense, I'm going to get punchy.
I didn't realize he was so old. Regardless, he turned Jason Babin into a pro-bowler and every D-lineman that has left the Titans hasn't produced like they did when they were there. He's a homerun signing if they get it done.
Anything would be an improvement. Wait, nevermind. Andy Reid is the reason the DL sucks. Jesus, I keep forgetting.
Mosley's take (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24441/titans-washburn-headed-to-eagles)
60 sacks for this team next year!!y
Well, sign this old mofo up then!
If/when Washburn is hired, we'll probably start seeing Haynesworth rumors
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
If/when Washburn is hired, we'll probably start seeing Haynesworth rumors
I'd probably be on board with that since Hayneworth was (a) very good under this guy in TN and (b) he's probably want to play for Washburn again in a 4-3 defense.
There's no doubt about how disruptive he was in TN and if the Eagles are somehow able to create a similar environment in Philly, then it could be a great move.
Be prepared for the onslaught Sassy. . .
Why do people assume that a player automatically wants to play for a previous coach again?
what if they hate each other?
You know how it goes. They may have argued a little, but you know the makeup sex will be great.
What if they're secretly in wub?
Does Washburn not want to be a DC or something? Every article I read about this guy is better than the next.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 19, 2011, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2011, 12:33:23 PM
If/when Washburn is hired, we'll probably start seeing Haynesworth rumors
I'd probably be on board with that since Hayneworth was (a) very good under this guy in TN and (b) he's probably want to play for Washburn again in a 4-3 defense.
There's no doubt about how disruptive he was in TN and if the Eagles are somehow able to create a similar environment in Philly, then it could be a great move.
I'd take a chance on him too assuming Washburn signs. Yeah he's a lazy jerk off but if you light a fire under his ass he's all world. He hates the Skins and him having success here would just piss them off, which is an added bonus. He instantly upgrades the pass rush. With all that being said the Eagles are smart enough to sign him to an incentive laden deal that they can easily weasel their way out of it's a win/win situation.
Quote from: SD on January 19, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
Does Washburn not want to be a DC or something? Every article I read about this guy is better than the next.
I guess it's like Jim Johnson not wanting to be a head coach
Quote from: SD on January 19, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
Does Washburn not want to be a DC or something? Every article I read about this guy is better than the next.
He's probably looking to get paid like a DC only to coach the DL.
Quote from: charlie on January 19, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
Why do people assume that a player automatically wants to play for a previous coach again?
what if they hate each other?
Yeah, why would a guy want to play for a coach who helped make him successful? I'm sure he prefers Washington.
And Haynesworth doesn't really have the discipline to keep his mouth shut when it comes to his coaches. If he didn't like Washburn in TN, he'd have said as much when he left and I don't recall him saying anything about it.
Washburn has been announced by the Eagles as the DL coach
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and it begins
Quote@JasonLaCanfora Eagles announce hiring of Titans DL coach Jim Washburn. Huge hire for them. May be the best in the biz. Worked wonders in Tenn...
@JasonLaCanfora Worth noting Washburn only coach to really reach Haynesworth. If he's available again, as expected, Albert would love to play for him again
@JasonLaCanfora Few have developed young, raw draft picks into elite talents like Washburn. taterskins had hoped to pluck him away when signed Haynesworth
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http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Sto...?story_id=23241
QuoteThe Eagles have announced the addition of Jim Washburn, formerly of the Tennessee Titans, as the new defensive line coach. Washburn comes with a sterling reputation and is considered a major coup for the Eagles.
"We are thrilled to add a quality defensive line coach in Jim Washburn," said head coach Andy Reid. "He had a great tenure with Jeff Fisher and the Tennessee Titans and he'll play a big part in the development of our defensive line moving forward. He's had a number of Pro Bowl players working under him over the years with the Titans and we're happy to have him join our coaching staff in Philadelphia."
Said Washburn: "Words cannot express the gratitude I have for Jeff Fisher and the Titans organization for allowing a nobody like me to coach in the NFL for the last 12 years.
"An opportunity came along for me to join the Eagles and I felt like it was good timing. At this stage of my career, I'm ready to make a change. This is no reflection on the state of the Titans but just a good opportunity for me.
"My wife, Sandy, and I have long planned to make Middle Tennessee our home and that is still our plan. However, we look forward to moving to Philadelphia and joining a top-flight organization like the Eagles and work for a premier coach in Andy Reid."
Washburn has spent the last 12 seasons as the defensive line coach of the Tennessee Titans. Since joining that post in 1999, the Titans have ranked 7th in the NFL in sacks (474), while ranking 5th against the run, limiting opponents to just 102.9 rushing yards per game during that span.
During his tenure with the Titans, Washburn oversaw the development of many talented players including Kyle Vanden Bosch, Tony Brown, Jason Babin, Kevin Carter, Albert Haynesworth, Jevon Kearse, Antwan Odom, Robaire Smith, John Thornton and Gary Walker. Seven of those players (Vanden Bosch, Babin, Carter, Haynesworth, Kearse and Walker) earned a combined eleven Pro Bowl selections under Washburn's tutelage. Among defensive linemen, both of those totals led the league during that span.
In 2008, the Titans led the NFL in defensive line sacks as they received sack production from nine different defensive linemen, accounting for 39.5 of the team's 44 sacks. Entering that season, five of those nine players had never registered a sack before. For his work with the unproven talent that season, Sports Illustrated's Peter King named Washburn his assistant coach of the year.
In Washburn's first year with the Titans in 1999, then-rookie Jevon Kearse went from college linebacker to all-pro defensive end as he set a NFL rookie record with 14.5 sacks. In his first five years with the Titans, Kearse racked up 70 sacks and earned three Pro Bowl berths.
Prior to joining the Titans, Washburn accrued over two decades of coaching experience at Houston (1998), Arkansas (1994-97), the Charlotte Rage of the Arena Football League (1993), the London Monarchs of the World Football League (1991-92), the Charlotte Barons (1990), South Carolina (1983-88), New Mexico (1980-82), Livingston (1979), Lees McRae Junior College (1977-78) and Southern Methodist (1976).
A native of Shelby, NC, the 61-year-old Washburn was a four-year letterman at Gardner Webb College, where he earned his bachelor's in physical education in 1973. He also added his master's degree from North Carolina A&T in 1975. Washburn and his wife, Sandy, have three children; Jessica, Brady, and Jeremiah, and six grandchildren; Allison Grace, Luke, Drew, Avery Jane, Megan and Cash
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 19, 2011, 01:54:59 PM
and it begins
Quote@JasonLaCanfora Eagles announce hiring of Titans DL coach Jim Washburn. Huge hire for them. May be the best in the biz. Worked wonders in Tenn...
@JasonLaCanfora Worth noting Washburn only coach to really reach Haynesworth. If he's available again, as expected, Albert would love to play for him again
@JasonLaCanfora Few have developed young, raw draft picks into elite talents like Washburn. taterskins had hoped to pluck him away when signed Haynesworth
Four months ago I wanted nothing to do with Haynesworth. Now, GET!
i have no idea how good of a coach he is...i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade but he def looks like he eats his young
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Well, he's probably an upgrade over Rory Segrest, so let's consider this a positive.
Until he keels over in the preseason and is replaced with an accountant.
Apparently Mora left Denver without an offer
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Well, he's probably an upgrade over Rory Segrest, so let's consider this a positive.
lets be honest unless they hired someone named blaine it would have to be considered an upgrade...no football coach should ever be named rory segrest
rory segrest should be the striker for duke lacrosse
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Well, he's probably an upgrade over Rory Segrest, so let's consider this a positive.
lets be honest unless they hired someone named blaine it would have to be considered an upgrade...no football coach should ever be named rory segrest
rory segrest should be the striker for duke lacrosse
Or the host of a talk show on Lifetime.
Quotei have no idea how good of a coach he is...i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade but
its sort of like alex gibbs
Is the striker the one who smacks the ho after the team plays nookie cookie on her face?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 19, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
Quotei have no idea how good of a coach he is...i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade but
its sort of like alex gibbs
or juan castillo
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
rory segrest should be the striker for duke lacrosse
Or the basketball team's left fielder.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 19, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
Quotei have no idea how good of a coach he is...i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade but
its sort of like alex gibbs
or juan castillo
While I get your point, Castillo isn't on the same level as these dudes as far as developing players. There aren't many quality offensive linemen that Castillo has developed.
who are all these studs washburn has developed?
I am not saying that he is the greatest Dline coach ever, but he does get the most out of his players. He also takes guys like Babin and Vanden Bosch that show flashes and gets them to put it all together. He also got Haynesworth to play most of the time.
I am not a huge follower of the Titans but if you look at those stats with sacks and run d and you can't name more than a handful of there defensive linemen over that span he is clearly getting the most of his players. I also know from listening to NFL Radio that around the league he is regarded as on of the best position coaches there is.
And you said he looks like someone that would eat his children, well that is the reputation he has.
ive never even heard of the guy before today...but from just looking at it now he seems to me to be the defensive line version of castillo...both have overseen the development of some pretty good players and both have gotten a bunch out of some decent players (castillo put jermain mayberry in the pro bowl for god sakes)...eagles offensive line sucked last year and so did the titans
yet if castillo left tomorrow not an eagle fan would care...but getting this guy is a huge coup
its not a big deal because no position coach has ever even come close to winning or losing a game...i just find the football offseason fascinating...it is incredible what its become
well, all those titans players listed below with the 11 combined probowl appearances under Washburn were first rounders except for Van den Bosch (2nd rd) and Walker (5th rd).
no different than the guys on the eagles d line now so we'll see if he can do the same, more importantly with Graham.
You liked the Bobby April hiring didn't you? There is nothing wrong with liking the Eagles bringing in a highly regarded position coach. Its a good hire. And for someone that pays attention to sports as much as you do I am surprised you never heard of the guy.
I've never heard of the guy but there's no doubt he is superior to Segrest.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 19, 2011, 03:17:07 PM
You liked the Bobby April hiring didn't you? There is nothing wrong with liking the Eagles bringing in a highly regarded position coach. Its a good hire. And for someone that pays attention to sports as much as you do I am surprised you never heard of the guy.
yeah i dont follow other teams defensive line coaches and i barely follow their coordinators...shtein i barely follow the eagles position coaches...for example i have no idea who their current defensive backs coach is...which is why i find this all so interesting...the offseason generally brings out the worst in people
its not a mind blowing hire, its a piece to the puzzle though.
bottom line is youre saying that no coaches matter except the head coach in winning football games.
like what they do in the off-season practices or the weeks leading up to the game has no bearing what-so-ever.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
yeah i dont follow other teams defensive line coaches and i barely follow their coordinators...shtein i barely follow the eagles position coaches...for example i have no idea who their current defensive backs coach is...which is why i find this all so interesting...the offseason generally brings out the worst in people
Their DB coach is Fleshpop Jauron.
I don't either. That is kind of my point though there are certain guys that you just hear about. I have heard him mentioned multiple times, that could just be because I listen to NFL Radio all the time. And I agree the off season does bring out the worse.
Fleshpop
:-D
Even better, I actually typed in "Flashpop".
Superman wears Jim Washburn pajamas to bed.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2011, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
yeah i dont follow other teams defensive line coaches and i barely follow their coordinators...shtein i barely follow the eagles position coaches...for example i have no idea who their current defensive backs coach is...which is why i find this all so interesting...the offseason generally brings out the worst in people
Their DB coach is Fleshpop Jauron.
right...i know that when you say it...but i would have had to think really hard if someone asked me who it was
Yeah, the team definatly needed a coaching change, but this D has what, 6 rooks in the rotation, plus a undrafted player in Hanson? A new coach might change get more out of this D, but more is needed.
I agree with that. I think it's a good time for this guy to get in here while there are so many young DL on the roster. I figure his impact will be more there than on someone like Juqua, who has established techniques... or just sucks.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
who are all these studs washburn has developed?
Quote
During his tenure with the Titans, Washburn oversaw the development of many talented players including Kyle Vanden Bosch, Tony Brown, Jason Babin, Kevin Carter, Albert Haynesworth, Jevon Kearse, Antwan Odom, Robaire Smith, John Thornton and Gary Walker. Seven of those players (Vanden Bosch, Babin, Carter, Haynesworth, Kearse and Walker) earned a combined eleven Pro Bowl selections under Washburn's tutelage. Among defensive linemen, both of those totals led the league during that span.
What's more impressive is that most of the players listed here were better when he was their coach then when they went elsewhere. I have to think he had something to do with that.
Quote from: SD on January 19, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
who are all these studs washburn has developed?
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During his tenure with the Titans, Washburn oversaw the development of many talented players including Kyle Vanden Bosch, Tony Brown, Jason Babin, Kevin Carter, Albert Haynesworth, Jevon Kearse, Antwan Odom, Robaire Smith, John Thornton and Gary Walker. Seven of those players (Vanden Bosch, Babin, Carter, Haynesworth, Kearse and Walker) earned a combined eleven Pro Bowl selections under Washburn's tutelage. Among defensive linemen, both of those totals led the league during that span.
What's more impressive is that most of the players listed here were better when he was their coach then when they went elsewhere. I have to think he had something to do with that.
He's like the Andy Reid of defensive linemen.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 19, 2011, 02:07:09 PM
Well, he's probably an upgrade over Rory Segrest, so let's consider this a positive.
lets be honest unless they hired someone named blaine it would have to be considered an upgrade...no football coach should ever be named rory segrest
rory segrest should be the striker for duke lacrosse
What if it was Blaine Bishop?
Mora has decided not to coach this year.
Sounds like that decision was made for him.
Hopefully Washburn does get Haynesworth to come to Philly, then Haynesworth scrapes his cleats down the sides of more Cowboys faces.
Great news on Washburn
Great news on Mora too. Someone find the clip of his sideline hissy fit in the 04 NFCCG
Quote@Jay_Glazer news on the eagles dc?>Asked permission and granted it for saints db coach dennis allen.
Quote@LesBowen I can confirm the Eagles are considering at least one d-coordinator candidate still involved in the playoffs.
I would be surprised if they hired Allen. He has similar qualifications to McDermott before becoming DC.
The only thing that matters is if he shares Reid's defensive philosophy
Quote from: SD on January 19, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
who are all these studs washburn has developed?
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During his tenure with the Titans, Washburn oversaw the development of many talented players including Kyle Vanden Bosch, Tony Brown, Jason Babin, Kevin Carter, Albert Haynesworth, Jevon Kearse, Antwan Odom, Robaire Smith, John Thornton and Gary Walker. Seven of those players (Vanden Bosch, Babin, Carter, Haynesworth, Kearse and Walker) earned a combined eleven Pro Bowl selections under Washburn's tutelage. Among defensive linemen, both of those totals led the league during that span.
What's more impressive is that most of the players listed here were better when he was their coach then when they went elsewhere. I have to think he had something to do with that.
carter developed with the rams...and lol at robaire smith antwan odom gary walker and that other garbage...good development there...wtf?
haynesworth kearse and vanden bosch are the only ones that did shtein and did kearse really develop?...he was what he was
im not saying the guy isnt a good d line coach...im sure hes just peachy...but lets not suck his dick because of john thorton
You're the first one who brought up dick sucking. Now Chuggie's all aroused and shtein.
Gary Walker was a Pro Bowler but that was in like 2001 & 2002.
gary walker never even actually played under washburn did he?
I like what I have heard about the guy, instant upgrade. I would love for the Birds to get a huge DT like Haynesworth, but I can't see ol holy Reid signing a guy like him. Plus Dixon really impressed me last year. Now if we can find some linebackers also I'd be thrilled.
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I like what I have heard about the guy, instant upgrade. I would love for the Birds to get a huge DT like Haynesworth, but I can't see ol holy Reid signing a guy like him. Plus Dixon really impressed me last year. Now if we can find some linebackers also I'd be thrilled.
dixon impresses you but andy reid is the worst coach ever....you really are a simpleton arent you
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 20, 2011, 07:05:14 AM
Quote from: SD on January 19, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
who are all these studs washburn has developed?
Quote
During his tenure with the Titans, Washburn oversaw the development of many talented players including Kyle Vanden Bosch, Tony Brown, Jason Babin, Kevin Carter, Albert Haynesworth, Jevon Kearse, Antwan Odom, Robaire Smith, John Thornton and Gary Walker. Seven of those players (Vanden Bosch, Babin, Carter, Haynesworth, Kearse and Walker) earned a combined eleven Pro Bowl selections under Washburn's tutelage. Among defensive linemen, both of those totals led the league during that span.
What's more impressive is that most of the players listed here were better when he was their coach then when they went elsewhere. I have to think he had something to do with that.
carter developed with the rams...and lol at robaire smith antwan odom gary walker and that other garbage...good development there...wtf?
haynesworth kearse and vanden bosch are the only ones that did shtein and did kearse really develop?...he was what he was
im not saying the guy isnt a good d line coach...im sure hes just peachy...but lets not suck his dick because of john thorton
Carter is who I was referring to when I typed 'most'. He was basically a flash in the pan player anyway.
And my point - which went over your head - was compare those players time in Tennessee compared to when they left. Laugh at Odom but a few years ago he was a very sought after FA. And with Kearse he was better with Tennessee (just like every player on that list minus Carter) than he was with the Eagles, correct? Don't you think Washburn had something to do with that?
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I like what I have heard about the guy, instant upgrade. I would love for the Birds to get a huge DT like Haynesworth, but I can't see ol holy Reid signing a guy like him. Plus Dixon really impressed me last year. Now if we can find some linebackers also I'd be thrilled.
Pretty good break down of how offenses attacked the Eagles D:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110120_Rich_Hofmann__How_opponents_attack_Eagles__defense.html
Quote1) When teams attempted to run against the Eagles, they chose to run wide to either side.
NFL offenses probe for weaknesses and avoid opposing strengths when they can. The numbers suggest that teams thought the Eagles were better up the middle, at defensive tackle and middle linebacker, than they were outside.
According to the numbers, opposing offenses ran fewer running plays behind their left guard against the Eagles than against any other NFL team - which means that Antonio Dixon, the replacement for Brodrick Bunkley at right defensive tackle, showed enough on film to point offenses strongly in other directions. Teams were almost as reluctant to run behind their left tackles, which adds Cole into the mix - as well as middle linebackers Stewart Bradley and Jamar Chaney.
The result was that teams tried to run wide against the Eagles. They faced more running plays wide to both sides than any team in the NFL. You can pick your rationale - the ability to sucker and/or overpower Cole and/or rookie Brandon Graham, or the desire to get a whack at the Eagles' outside linebackers. Opponents weren't overly successful when they went wide, but that was the preferred plan of attack.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110120_Rich_Hofmann__How_opponents_attack_Eagles__defense.html#ixzz1BaSoleAg
Watch sports videos you won't find anywhere else
I'm not saying Dixon is a 'beast', but I definitely think he's a good guy to keep in the rotation. I'm all for adding Haynesworth and letting Bunkley walk. Bunkley has regressed to the point of being irrelevant.
yeah when antonio dixon passes you by its probably time to part ways
wait on a sec, was it not that interior line of bunkley and company that was putting the top backs in the league to shame the first 8-9 games or so?
not sure the exact week Bunk got hurt, but all I know is you couldnt run for shtein against the eagles line and they shut C. Johnson, Turner, Jones Drew, and Gore down. Regardless if some of these teams had to play sort of catch-up because the eagles scored so much, they still ran the ball an average of over 15 times.
I disagree with Bunkley regressing. He in all accounts was having his best season pre-injury and he was never the same since. Big fan of Dixon no question.
Quote from: mussa on January 20, 2011, 09:21:49 AM
I like what I have heard about the guy, instant upgrade. I would love for the Birds to get a huge DT like Haynesworth, but I can't see ol holy Reid signing a guy like him. Plus Dixon really impressed me last year. Now if we can find some linebackers also I'd be thrilled.
and running the ball more, don't forget running the ball.
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
wait on a sec, was it not that interior line of bunkley and company that was putting the top backs in the league to shame the first 8-9 games or so?
not sure the exact week Bunk got hurt, but all I know is you couldnt run for shtein against the eagles line and they shut C. Johnson, Turner, Jones Drew, and Gore down. Regardless if some of these teams had to play sort of catch-up because the eagles scored so much, they still ran the ball an average of over 15 times.
I disagree with Bunkley regressing. He in all accounts was having his best season pre-injury and he was never the same since. Big fan of Dixon no question.
He went from starter in the beginning of the season to rotational guy, and that was before the injury. Guys like Dixon and Laws were seeing as many snaps as he was.
To think we were two picks from Ngata :boom
Quote from: SD on January 20, 2011, 10:21:20 AM
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 10:13:11 AM
wait on a sec, was it not that interior line of bunkley and company that was putting the top backs in the league to shame the first 8-9 games or so?
not sure the exact week Bunk got hurt, but all I know is you couldnt run for shtein against the eagles line and they shut C. Johnson, Turner, Jones Drew, and Gore down. Regardless if some of these teams had to play sort of catch-up because the eagles scored so much, they still ran the ball an average of over 15 times.
I disagree with Bunkley regressing. He in all accounts was having his best season pre-injury and he was never the same since. Big fan of Dixon no question.
He went from starter in the beginning of the season to rotational guy, and that was before the injury. Guys like Dixon and Laws were seeing as many snaps as he was.
well if dixon was found to be very effective when coming in to spell bunkley, why not keep rotating him? sounds to me like you had 2 very efficient guys at the position.
Because they need an upgrade at DT in the form of a player who can collapse the pocket and rush the passer. They got shtein from their DTs this season in the form of a pass rush. They need a disruptive force in the middle if they want to be a good D, not guys who hold their position and just fill gaps. If they upgrade the other end spot, their LBs, and their CBs then yeah you can get away with having an adequate DT.
so then you dont want albert haynesworth? because your boy clogs holes, and thats pretty much about it at this point in his career.
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 10:45:24 AM
so then you dont want albert haynesworth? because your boy clogs holes, and thats pretty much about it at this point in his career.
Haynesworth has more talent than any player on the Eagles D-line. If properly motivated he can collapse the pocket and rush the passer better than most of the DTs in the league. You put him in green and he has instant motivation: 1) He gets payback at the Skins. I'm not saying he's not at fault but Shannahan obviously pissed him off and some people thrive off of those situations. 2) He was regarded as the best DT in the league under Washburn.
This all depends on signing him to an incentive laden deal.
Looks like they requested permission to interview Dean Pees (current Ravens LB coach, former LB coach and DC for the Patriots)
Damn you, Easy... Shoulda known.
who the hell would want a ravens LB coach? plus none of this matters anyway since coaching is irrelevant in the grand "scheme" of things.
Quote from: reese125 on January 20, 2011, 11:02:22 AMwho the hell would want a ravens LB coach?
Any coach the Eagles hire will of course suddenly forget everything he knows and fall into lockstep with the well known Andy Reid Philosophy of Defense, so who cares where he comes from or what ideas he might have had in the past about playing football.
Dean Pees = 3-4
haaaa, pees.
Wannstedt accepted position with Bills.
Jauron is apparently the new DC in Cleveland.
The only interview the Eagles have scheduled is with Dennis Allen.
Where did you see that about Jauron?
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15760 (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15760)
As much as I wouldn't have minded seeing Jauron being the DC, isn't he notorious for not blitzing? That kind of goes against AR's m.o.
Quote from: DH on January 21, 2011, 01:30:23 PM
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15760 (http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/15760)
So it starts the article by saying:
QuoteThe Browns have yet to acquire an Offensive Coordinator, but they have reached an agreement with Eagles assistant Dick Jauron on the defensive side of the ball.
And ends the article with:
QuoteJauron served as the secondary coach for the Eagles last season and he is a candidate for the same position in Philadelphia.
So if they reached an agreement in Cleveland, why would they say that he's a candidate for the DC job in Philly?
I like the fact they are bringing in someone fresh and not from within. Too much complacency running around that complex.
Get in some new blood, and change the way these players are coached.
to be honest, i completely forgot jauron was even on the staff throughout the whole year..cant say im upset about him leaving. mike trgovac, the dl coach from the packers seems to be the guy they are waiting for.
probably meant to say was a candidate for the philly job
altho if hes been hired in cleveland its hard to imagine this wouldnt be news on a better link than cleveland leader.com
or maybe it is...i dont feel like looking
Quote from: DH on January 21, 2011, 01:43:57 PM
to be honest, i completely forgot jauron was even on the staff throughout the whole year..cant say im upset about him leaving. mike trgovac, the dl coach from the packers seems to be the guy they are waiting for.
This is my line of thinking. They probably let it be known he's their guy and are just waiting till they can get him.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
probably meant to say was a candidate for the philly job
altho if hes been hired in cleveland its hard to imagine this wouldnt be news on a better link than cleveland leader.com
or maybe it is...i dont feel like looking
I don't see it on ESPN, but they do have a story about Wannstedt being close to a deal with Buffalo to be their DC. So I'd imagine that if this Jauron story was legit and the deal has been made, it would be up there with a deal that's not even done yet.
Quote from: reese125 on January 21, 2011, 01:38:36 PM
I like the fact they are bringing in someone fresh and not from within. Too much complacency running around that complex.
Get in some new blood, and change the way these players are coached.
Nothing will change the way the players are coached as long as Reid is king shtein. Any coach they bring in will be mesmerized by his magic mustachio, will drink lustily his mormon kool aid, and will tout the exciting prospect of transplanting sixth round fastball players from one position to another.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 21, 2011, 02:08:03 PM
Quote from: reese125 on January 21, 2011, 01:38:36 PM
I like the fact they are bringing in someone fresh and not from within. Too much complacency running around that complex.
Get in some new blood, and change the way these players are coached.
Nothing will change the way the players are coached as long as Reid is king shtein. Any coach they bring in will be mesmerized by his magic mustachio, will drink lustily his mormon kool aid, and will tout the exciting prospect of transplanting sixth round fastball players from one position to another.
truth
I have no problem with them taking on "project players" in the 6th and 7th rounds. Hell, that's what most of them are anyway, so who cares if they want to play mad scientist with them. I'd just really like to see them draft guys in the first 4 rounds who can come in and play. Quit trying to hit a home run and just put the ball in the gap. They don't even have to be bonafide studs, just legit NFL players who can hold their own at their position. Because some of the garbage that they've thrown out there from the mid-rounds is just pathetic.
A player needs to be drafted in at least the fifth round to go from coach's project to legitimate player who may disappear for half a season.
I was being sarcastic you dickwads.
Fresh blood is good.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 21, 2011, 02:14:17 PM
I have no problem with them taking on "project players" in the 6th and 7th rounds. Hell, that's what most of them are anyway, so who cares if they want to play mad scientist with them. I'd just really like to see them draft guys in the first 4 rounds who can come in and play. Quit trying to hit a home run and just put the ball in the gap. They don't even have to be bonafide studs, just legit NFL players who can hold their own at their position. Because some of the garbage that they've thrown out there from the mid-rounds is just pathetic.
no they need studs...especially on defense where the individual is more important than the scheme or the players around him
as opposed to offense where pretty much everything is dictated by the offensive line
you can have a solid nfl wr who will do fine if his qb has tons of time to throw...or check the medicore rb's that come thru this league and get a bunch of yards because their line is good
that isnt the case on defense...great defensive players for the most part are talent ladened playmaking studs...yeah every once in a while youll get a high motor type who gets by on extreme effort and smarts but those are few and far between on that side of the ball
One of these guys will be the next DC:
Dennis Allen
Mike Trgovac
Bob Sutton
Fleshpop Jauron
Howie Roseman
not that i really like andy or anything and not that this has anything to do with getting a new DC but how frightening are the prospects of howie and banner picking the next head coach of the eagles
you all do realize that andy is the last authoritative figure in the eagles organization who isnt a part of banner inc. once hes gone, thats it. everyone kisses their ring or they dont even get through the novacare gate
He apparently got overridden on McDermott, so the balance of power has already shifted.
fat joke in there somewhere, need help
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 21, 2011, 04:18:04 PM
He apparently got overridden on McDermott, so the balance of power has already shifted.
and vick, too
but im talking about in game stuff, philosophical approaches to the game, etc. once andy goes the head coach might as well be howie roseman
pretty sure he already calls the plays
And Dicky J is officially IN in Cleveland. Brad Childress will likely be their OC also!
not just mcdermott....but they are doing a whole lot of DC vetting (plus the hiring of washburn) while andy isnt even the country
i would figure hes back by now
hold let me call him
wrong number
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/21/11/Trgovac-may-not-accept-any-coordinator-p/landing_eagles.html?blockID=395771&feedID=704
QuoteBy Reuben Frank
CSNPhilly.com
The Eagles may want Mike Trgovac. Mike Trgovac may not want the Eagles.
Trgovac told The Milwaukee Journal Sentintal newspaper Friday that even if he is offered a defensive coordinator spot by the Eagles or Broncos – and he would seem to be a perfect fit for both jobs – he may not accept it.
Trgovac, who from 1995 through 1998 coached the Eagles' defensive line under Ray Rhodes and then from 2003 through 2008 served as the Panthers' defensive coordinator under current Broncos head coach John Fox, has been linked to coordinator openings with both the Eagles and Broncos.
Trgovac is in his second year coaching the Packers' defensive line. NFL teams aren't allowed to interview candidates for coaching openings below head coach until that coach's team's season ends.
"I know my name has been thrown around there a bunch, but I really haven't – you know Dom (Capers) doesn't give us a lot of free time – to even think about it," Trgovac told the paper's Tom Silverstein Friday. "There will be some considerations I'll have to take, one of them being I have a daughter who's going to be a senior in high school. I've already moved her in high school. That's a huge factor."
The Eagles fired defensive coordinator Sean McDermott last Saturday. They have yet to interview any candidates. Saints defensive backs coach Dennis Allen is scheduled to interview this weekend. Another candidate, former Bills and Bears head coach D Jauron, who spent this past season as the Eagles' senior defensive assistant and secondary coach, accepted the Browns' coordinator job with former Eagles quarterbacks coach Pat Shurmer on Friday.
The Packers face the Bears Sunday in Chicago in the NFC Championship Game. If the Packers win, teams would not be able to discuss a coordinator job with Trgovac for two more weeks.
"I love my job here, I really do," Trgovac told the paper. "I love working for Dom (Capers, defensive coordinator), I love working for Mike (McCarthy, head coach)."
Trgovac voluntarily left Fox and the Panthers after the 2008 season for a lesser position with the Packers, but he said his relationship with Fox is great and said his reasons for leaving were family-related.
"John and I's relationship was great," he said. "I know it's been written a lot of times in Carolina that I was fired. I was not fired. Our relationship was great.
"There were some things going on there that weren't really what I like to see. It was probably more I was sitting at the dock and my son who was 10 at the time – I live on a lake – and he was talking to me, and I answered him and wasn't thinking about a word he said. I was thinking about the game. I was going through calls in my head.
"When he walked up, my wife said, 'You didn't listen to a word he said.' And I said, 'You know what, I really didn't.' And here's a little 10-year-old boy who sees his dad one day a week and I wasn't really listening to him. I wanted to just take a step back."
According to the Journal-Sentinal, Trgovac is believed to have time remaining on his contract beyond the 2010 season. If so, that would mean the Eagles would need to formally request permission of the Packers to interview Trgovac
YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO A WORD HE SAID! HE'S RUINED FOR LIFE!! WAHHHHHHHHHH!
Stupid bitch. Dude bought you a farging house on a lake because of his farging job. Keep the brat away from him until the offseason starts.
Ok, I want Pettine now. All in. I hope the rapist ass-fargs the Jets this weekend, and Pettine is looking for a DC job under an offensive-minded head coach. Yay. It will happen. I'm drunk.
No, you're fine.
The Eagles have finalized "the list" (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Eagles_have_finalized_DC_list.html).
bobbyuk commented on the bottom of that article...wasn't he a emb old timer??
Newest rumored candidate: Bob Babich (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110124_Will_Birds_cull_defensive_boss_from_conference_playoff_team_.html) (Bears linebackers coach) Sure, why not. Weird that there is no mention of Pettine or Bob Sutton from the Jets.
And lol at this tidbit about the Dennis Allen interview:
QuoteAsked about the Birds' secondary issues - they allowed a franchise-record 31 touchdown passes this season - Allen said: "I don't know about that. I'm just looking to be with a great organization, and if I get the opportunity, it would be a great opportunity."
Let's hire an unproven defensive backs coach who doesn't even realize the personnel challenges in front of him? No.
wasnt the bears defense great with ron rivera...who left and was replaced by babich...at which point the bears defense got bad...then babich was demoted and the defense got really good again?
That timeline sounds correct, yes.
Quote from: DH on January 24, 2011, 08:37:59 AM
bobbyuk commented on the bottom of that article...wasn't he a emb old timer??
Yeah. He posted here for a little while too.
Les Bowen is on the same flight with shakedown Howie today and said the only piece of info he's been able to get is that Andy Reid is running the DC search from Philly. Which means Howie is running it, of course.
They were saying last week on DNL that AR probably didn't really want to get rid of McDermott.....I can't imagine though he doesn't have the ultimate say as to who the next DC will be.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 24, 2011, 11:10:51 AM
I can't imagine he doesn't have the ultimate say as to who the next DC will be.
seriously?
Dude I know you love to hate on Banner Inc and rightfully so, but I can't imagine a coach in the NFL with as long of tenure as Reid has letting the FO pick his DC for him. We all know Reid has lost power, but what coach is going to let ownership pick his staff for him. This isn't Dallas, Oakland, or DC.
Don't ruin Havas' Hate Parade.
they already got rid of donovan and mcdermott against reids wishes...they have hired and fired coaches as well as vetted numerous DC candidates while reid wasnt even in the country
why would it suprise you in the least if they didnt give him the "ultimate" sign off power on the DC
You really think they didn't contact him when he was out of the country? Its not like we live in the 1970s. I would be surprised with the DC because that is someone he has to work with during the game. Bottom line is if they took all of Reid's power do you really think he would stick around? He could easily find another job.
of course they contacted him...but he clearly no longer has ultimate sign off power on anything
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 24, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
of course they contacted him...but he clearly no longer has ultimate sign off power on anything
absolutely true, not sure how anyone can disagree
Maybe I was overstating it a little. I do think the FO is more proactive getting rid of Reid guys, because I think we all know he is loyal to a fault. However, when it comes to adding a DC I would think his input would be valued the highest.
Regardless of who is shot callin' this ordeal, is there any doubt that they're going to farg it up?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 24, 2011, 12:21:36 PM
Regardless of who is shot callin' this ordeal, is there any doubt that they're going to farg it up?
Not a one. Just accept it and live longer.
:-\ I sure hope not.
Listen, Reid has lost no power. How can that even be considered? If nothing else he is more powerful than ever. If he was ever fired, he would have another job with more cash and power in about 15 minutes. People in other organizations would be fired to make room for Reid.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 24, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
People in other organizations would be fired to make room for Reid.
Literally.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 24, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
People in other organizations would be fired to make room for Reid.
And none of those organizations have had so much as a sniff of the playoffs in the last 5 years. It's not like Pitt, NE, GB, Bal, etc would fire their HC to make room for Reid.
Allen took the Denver DC job
The inescapable pull of Tim Tebow is indeed strong.
Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 24, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
Listen, Reid has lost no power. How can that even be considered? If nothing else he is more powerful than ever. If he was ever fired, he would have another job with more cash and power in about 15 minutes. People in other organizations would be fired to make room for Reid.
and he drops the bait in the water.
http://www.phillygameday.com/2011/01/report-eagles-to-interview-panthers-mcdermott-for-dc-job/ (http://www.phillygameday.com/2011/01/report-eagles-to-interview-panthers-mcdermott-for-dc-job/)
jesus h...
that can't be real.
Oh my god what is wrong with you people today?
ha seriously.
Maybe they should advertise for a DC during the Pro Bowl! (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/video/pro-bowl-charging-up-to-700-dollars-for-ad-during,18908/)
the legend of reese strikes again
LB coach Bill Shuey also OUT. Assistant LB coach Mike Caldwell and Defensive something-or-another Michael Zordich are the only returning coaches from last year's defensive staff (as of now).
if only someone could coach up those damn linebackers
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 24, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
Quote from: lurking wierdo on January 24, 2011, 12:39:27 PM
People in other organizations would be fired to make room for Reid.
And none of those organizations have had so much as a sniff of the playoffs in the last 5 years. It's not like Pitt, NE, GB, Bal, etc would fire their HC to make room for Reid.
Belichek and McCarthy for sure. Tomlin couldn't repeat the magic anywhere else. Harbaugh is in a good situation, but his offense should be much, much better.
The Eagles are probably waiting on Dick LeBeau, whose contract is up after this season
He has absolutely no interest in coming to Philly (and has said so) and specializes in a 3-4. Any more brilliant ideas, dingus?
Pepe LePew?
Yeah, LeBeau already said that if he's coaching next year it will be in Pittsburgh. If for some reason the Steelers don't make him an offer, then the Cardinals would be considered a front runner since he has ties to Wisenhunt.
The Eagles are in a bad place right now imo because no self respecting DC around the NFL would come here to coach these bums. They're going to hire a position coach and hope that they strike gold with him.
im sure hes just saying that to say it
if pitt lowballs him and the eagles come over the top hell probably change his tune
If the Eagles were to bring in LeBeau, it would take them 5 years just to get the right personnel to play in the 3-4. And by then LeBeau would be LeDead.
I guess you never say never. After all, they were able to lure this guy we'd never heard of previously but is now suddenly the most unanimous choice for bestest defensive assistant coach in the history of football in Washburn.
LeKill yourself.
lebeau started his nfl career with the eagles maybe he wants to finish it?
Five potential candidates to run Eagles' defense
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110126_Paul_Domowitch__Five_potential_candidates_to_run_Eagles__defense.html
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Winston Moss.
Look test PASS
Nice shirt, Gump.
Farg coaching...can he play LB?
He did for 10yrs and looks more of a LB than Teobustsheim
Well, of course. Te'O is a defensive tackle.
Reuben Frank thinks that Trgovac is OUT because the Eagles are definitely going for a LB or DB specialist:
QuoteTodd Bowles - Former Temple safety who played for the taterskins and 49ers over the span of eight NFL seasons. Bowles has been a secondary coach for four teams and is currently the assistant head coach/secondary coach with the Dolphins. According to Frank, Bowles worked with head coach Andy Reid as an assistant on Mike Holmgren's staff in Green Bay in 1995 and 1996.
Tim Hauck - Safety Colt Anderson would approve this move. The former Eagles safety coached Anderson at Montana before joining the Titans where he spent the last two seasons as the defensive backs coach. Of course, that means Hauck has already worked with Washburn.
Ray Horton - The secondary coach for the Steelers, Horton played in two Super Bowls and is about to coach in his third. Frank noted that Horton was the secondary coach on Marty Mornhinweg's staff in Detroit in 2002.
Winston Moss - The assistant head coach/linebacker coach of the Packers was a veteran of 11 NFL season before coaching with the Seahawks and the Saints prior to joining Green Bay. He doesn't have a coaching connection to Philadelphia, but Frank deftly pointed out that Moss played with Jerome Brown at Miami and Ron Heller in Tampa.
Darren Perry - The Packers defensive backs coach played in the league for 10 seasons and also coached in Cincinnati, Oakland and Pittsburgh. Again, no real connection to the Eagles.
Dennis Thurman - Thurman's name has been added to mix more and more of late, but the Jets defensive backs coach may not have the opportunity to leave New York. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reported on Wednesday that the Raiders requested permission to interview Thurman for their open defensive coordinator position and were denied. Thurman was an All-American safety at USC and played defensive back for the Cowboys for nine seasons. He has spent a lot of years with Rex Ryan as Thurman previously coached with him in Baltimore.
i support todd from temple
Tim Hauck = missile = Super Bowl.
I support the idea of Hauck as a player/coach.
Also, there is some question as to whether or not the Eagles made an offer to Dennis Allen. Philly reporters seem pretty solid that they did not, but Florio would love to think otherwise.
the farging slovak is out because he would sacrifice his wife before he went to the eagles...its just sickening how it will be reported that the eagles didnt want him
Jeff Fisher. Get.
times a gajillion
That was the first thing I thought - would he accept the DC job.
However, he would only be here a year and be gone next year.
Fisher DC
Washburn DL
Cecil DBs
Lombardi saying that Fisher "will not" be a DC next year.
I got this via a text alert that someone forwarded me so take it fwiw:
"Clayton added that Andy Reid has told candidates for the defensive coordinator position in the past few hours that he has closed the job"
yeah tahts' what they said on the Fanatic a few minutes ago, that Reid said the search is over and teh job is closed
Les:
QuoteLeague Source: No Back to Future with Fisher
A league source in a position to know last night said there was no truth to an ESPN report that Jeff Fisher could end up as the Eagles' defensive coordinator, hours after his 16-year reign as the Tennessee Titans' head coach crumbled in a disagreement over the direction of the franchise,
It seemed an odd idea, that Fisher would agree to return to the job he occupied more than 20 years ago, as the Eagles' defensive coordinator, but ESPN analyst John Clayton suggested just that Thursday evening. Clayton stated that Eagles coach Andy Reid was telling potential candidates for the job that it was filled. Clayton speculated that Fisher would soon be named.
Of course, if Reid is indeed telling potential candidates the job is filled, then maybe SOMEBODY is about to become the Eagles' defensive coordinator.
Quote@Jeff_McLane
Per ESPN report that Reid has told at least two candidates that the #Eagles DC job was filled, a league source says, "Not true."
Also, Jeff Fisher is not going to become the #Eagles' next DC, according to the same NFL source.
A high-ranked league source also says there is no truth to the ESPN report.
As the world turns
Reid said the job was closed, not filled. The Eagles are just gonna go without a DC. They figure it'll be about as productive as McDermott.
It wasn't McDermott's fault!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2011, 12:37:16 AM
It wasn't McDermott's fault!
Truth...it was all of our faults, especially yours, for not being good enough fans
Hey, Andy said clap your hands if you believe in coordinators all season long and you fargers never clapped. Tinkerdermott's death is on your unclapped hands.
is it things like twitter and the intenet that make people dumber?...the notion that the eagles would want and that jeff fisher would accept theirs or any other DC position is so ludicrous...and i feel like back in the day before the internet no one would have even mentioned the possibility...but now people seriously discuss things like that
btw this whole fiasco with the coaches this offseason is just embarrassing....GO BANNER INC!
It is not even close to embarrassing, and you should be ashamed that you have given in to the media's desired perception of it. Look at it this way:
1. They have upgraded one coach
2. Multiple coaches still exist who are much more qualified to run a defense than was Opie McDermott.
Just because they are being deliberate about it makes it an "embarrassment?" No.
Clayton clearly got his information from :CF
Well done.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 28, 2011, 07:29:21 AM
It is not even close to embarrassing, and you should be ashamed that you have given in to the media's desired perception of it. Look at it this way:
1. They have upgraded one coach
2. Multiple coaches still exist who are much more qualified to run a defense than was Opie McDermott.
Just because they are being deliberate about it makes it an "embarrassment?" No.
firing coaches and then bringing them to senior bowl and having them act like they are still working for the eagles is a joke...no other team would ever do that...likewise firing coaches in secret and not telling the media is also completely unesscesary...you also should have the president of football operations at least in the country when all this is going down...btw andy reid also should have been at the senior bowl imo...but thats another topic
this whole thing has screamed bush league
Getting Fisher for DC is just as likely as getting Dick LeBeau.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2011, 07:56:34 AM
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 28, 2011, 07:29:21 AM
It is not even close to embarrassing, and you should be ashamed that you have given in to the media's desired perception of it. Look at it this way:
1. They have upgraded one coach
2. Multiple coaches still exist who are much more qualified to run a defense than was Opie McDermott.
Just because they are being deliberate about it makes it an "embarrassment?" No.
firing coaches and then bringing them to senior bowl and having them act like they are still working for the eagles is a joke...no other team would ever do that...likewise firing coaches in secret and not telling the media is also completely unesscesary...you also should have the president of football operations at least in the country when all this is going down...btw andy reid also should have been at the senior bowl imo...but thats another topic
this whole thing has screamed bush league
Are you talking about them not renewing Bill Shuey's contract? That isnt a firing more so a we dont want your ass back.
And I was under the impression that he, like many other out of work coaches, go to the Senior Bowl looking for jobs.
Andrew Brandt was talking about that the other day - the congregation of unemployed coaches there.
thats what makes it that much more strange...that he went to the senior bowl and pretended he still worked for the eagles
why wouldnt the eagles have just announced that the coaches had been fired two weeks ago...instead of these stupid ass spy games they always try and run
its ridiculous
It's only ridiculous/embarrassing to you and Florio. The fact is that if there is a season next year, the Eagles will have a defensive coaching staff no worse than the one they had this year. So what's the issue? They might have disrespected Bill Shuey? A 3rd-tier team with a defensive-minded head coach hired Opie right away? Dennis Allen may or may not have turned down an offer from the Eagles?
My guess is your biggest beef is that it's taking them so long to find someone. So, until you have a chance to bash the guy they hire, you need to bash the process by which they're hiring him.
i could care less how long they take to hire a DC...if they have someone in mind who is still coaching thats completely legitimate...arizona is doing the same thing
my problem is the way banner inc operates...and how they have no transparency and feel as if they owe the fans absolutely nothing and basically spit in their face...is it to much to ask for them to announce coach firings when they happen?...of course not but rather than operate like every other team they have to dress bill shuey up in eagles garb and have him down at the senior bowl acting as if hes scouting players for the team?...its a joke
maybe i care more because i have season tickets...or maybe most people just dont care about stuff like this in general...i dont know....and thats your perogative...but it pisses me off
I don't understand why they owe fans more transparency on hiring the coaches. I think you are reaching.
The obsession with ownership/management 'spitting in the faces of the fans' is so overblown and ridiculous. Sure, ownership could be more like the fans, wearing their heart on their sleeve and emotionally connecting with the city, etc. But then we'd be in danger of Dan Snyder-dom and frankly it's stupid to get worked up over it one way or another.
Hoagiegate and No Signs and blah blah blah. It all sucks, but they are business decisions that don't exactly ruin the experience or the product on the field. What ruins the experience is the terrible defense and douchebag fans who sit on their hands and force me to give them the finger. Hoagies and signs are for fat people who need a hobby.
They like customers... I like cash.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 28, 2011, 10:17:39 AM
I don't understand why they owe fans more transparency on hiring the coaches. I think you are reaching.
you dont understand because you dont care...which like i said is fine...but i do...and im not reaching...its simply something that makes me angry...it is what it is
Making you angry is a lot different than embarrassing themselves.
actually im angry because they are embarrassing themselves...so its kind of exactly the same thing
Your logic makes perfect sense to you.
Please. Who really cares? At the end of the day, they'll have a better coordinator than they did previously. It's not like they're out there tarnishing some grand legacy.
Quote from: Zanshin on January 28, 2011, 01:23:13 PM
Please. Who really cares?
a lot of the fanbase...you happen to be one of the fans that doesnt care how the team operates....just that its wins...which is also fine.....move on....
You're part of a very vocal minority.
IGY is more pretentious than usual today. Feelin' unappreciated at work, I think.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 28, 2011, 01:37:06 PM
You're part of a very vocal minority.
vocality comes with caring
i happen to want to like the people who own operate coach and play for my team....and it hurts me that i hate most of them
it hurts you? are you f'n kidding me? get a grip.
(http://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2009/09/18/bigfan_filmstill1_t600.jpg?4326734cdb8e39baa3579048ef63ad7b451e7676)
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im gonna ramble off likable nfl owners
jerrah
packers people
seattle dude
woody johnson
ralph wilson
rooneys
so...6 fan bases can say they like their owner. good for them.
Oh, I get it...errrands.
har dee har har
Quote from: MDS on January 28, 2011, 01:55:55 PM
im gonna ramble off likable nfl owners
jerrah
packers people
seattle dude
woody johnson
ralph wilson
rooneys
so...6 fan bases can say they like their owner. good for them.
i actually like lurie and he would be awesome by himself...on the other hand he is ultimately responsible for starting banner incorporated....and how do you ever forgive him for that
im really torn with jeffy....the rest of them can die
New theory: Dio is the goddamn Batman.
thats not just owners but ownership group
though in the case of jerrah the cowboys are horrendously unlikable but jerrah's overwhelming awesomeness more than makes up for
i agree that theres really nothing lurie can do...he created the monster that is banner and howie and its something were just going to have to live with
lots of speculation that Perry might have a verbal agreement to join as soon as the SB ends
Quote from: Diomedes on January 28, 2011, 01:56:37 PM
Oh, I get it...errrands.
har dee har har
He's buying maxi pads for his wife
Quote from: MDS on January 28, 2011, 01:55:55 PM
im gonna ramble off likable nfl owners
jerrah
packers people
seattle dude
woody johnson
ralph wilson
rooneys
so...6 fan bases can say they like their owner. good for them.
I like Lurie, he keeps his nose out of the football side of the business and runs a great organization. I never think "this guy is cheap" or any of that other nonsense. He does his part for the local community as well.
Quote from: MDS on January 28, 2011, 02:02:36 PM
i agree that theres really nothing lurie can do...he created the monster that is banner and howie and its something were just going to have to live with
speaking of howie it really is unbelievable how much he is like banner...makes sense since he was molded under his wing for so long...but they even talk the same a lot of the time...same words..same condescending attitude...it makes me sick
You are a psychopath.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 28, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 28, 2011, 02:02:36 PM
i agree that theres really nothing lurie can do...he created the monster that is banner and howie and its something were just going to have to live with
speaking of howie it really is unbelievable how much he is like banner...makes sense since they're both Jews
IGY doesn't like Jewy mannerisms, and this really hurts MDS' chance to score as he gets older.
His value over replacement psychopath is off the farging charts, though.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
lots of speculation that Perry might have a verbal agreement to join as soon as the SB ends
Has he ever been around a 4-3 defense?
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 28, 2011, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
lots of speculation that Perry might have a verbal agreement to join as soon as the SB ends
Has he ever been around a 4-3 defense?
From a Milwaukee paper...
"Perry's background, both as a player and coach, has been in the 3-4 fire-zone scheme. He played in that system for Pittsburgh from 1992-'98 and coached in it for the Steelers from 2003-'06 and for the Packers the past two seasons."
Quote from: Rome on January 28, 2011, 02:52:36 PM
His value over replacement psychopath is off the farging charts, though.
Well done.
Kotex maxipads are the most absorbent! Stay in school!
Quote from: DH on January 28, 2011, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 28, 2011, 02:58:00 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 02:02:39 PM
lots of speculation that Perry might have a verbal agreement to join as soon as the SB ends
Has he ever been around a 4-3 defense?
From a Milwaukee paper...
"Perry's background, both as a player and coach, has been in the 3-4 fire-zone scheme. He played in that system for Pittsburgh from 1992-'98 and coached in it for the Steelers from 2003-'06 and for the Packers the past two seasons."
I like the idea of him getting the job it just seems that the Eagles are committed to running a 4-3
http://www.gcobb.com/2011/01/28/report-eagles-have-asked-for-packers-permission-to-talk-to-darren-perry/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Eagles asked Packers permission to interview Darren Perry. He's a PSU FYI
(http://www.gcobb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/DarrenPerry24.jpg)
look test pass
welcome brother darren
look test PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Quote from: MDS on January 28, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
welcome brother darren
look test PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Really ??? i have no idea who he is looking at in the picture. Crazy eyes i tell ya!
That's Ron Burke.
His slanted eyes are dreammmmmmmmy
so this guy coached Polamalu, Nnamdi, Nick Collins and Chris Hope. Not bad
his four kids all begin with the same letter though, so that loses points
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 04:34:26 PM
so this guy coached Polamalu, Nnamdi, Nick Collins and Chris Hope. Not bad
his four kids all begin with the same letter though, so that loses points
shtein, if this hire helps bring him to philly, im more than all for it
He also coaches Tramon Williams, who ended the Eagles' season.
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 04:34:26 PM
so this guy coached Polamalu, Nnamdi, Nick Collins and Chris Hope. Not bad
his four kids all begin with the same letter though, so that loses points
:paranoid :flipoff :flipoff
its a big time MA thing to do
koy detmer named his kids koy and whatever his wifes name was
Quote from: phillymic2000 on January 28, 2011, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 28, 2011, 04:34:26 PM
so this guy coached Polamalu, Nnamdi, Nick Collins and Chris Hope. Not bad
his four kids all begin with the same letter though, so that loses points
:paranoid :flipoff :flipoff
3 or more (or 19 like that Duggar waste of space). If it's only 2, no big deal
Are they all biblical names?
Judas is a biblical name
It's my favorite of them all.
Any name not mentioned in the Bible gets the farging gas face.
I mean, really... Tristan, Kyle, Travis, Blake, Blaine... all gay and not going to heaven or hell. Just like Nebraska or something.
The word you're looking for is Limbo.
Purgatory you farging heathen. PURGATORY.
I liked Perry when he was playing, solid safety.
However I wonder how his scheme translates into what they have on the roster now.
The roster is going to be radically different come opening day. Figure on at least five or six new starters on defense.
As long as one of them is Nnamdi Asomuahahahaha
Cool.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 28, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
I liked Perry when he was playing, solid safety.
However I wonder how his scheme translates into what they have on the roster now.
lol
what they have now wouldnt start for lsu
Quote from: Rome on January 28, 2011, 08:08:47 PMFigure on at least five or six new starters on defense.
God I hope so.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 28, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 28, 2011, 08:08:47 PMFigure on at least five or six new starters on defense.
God I hope so.
So you turn back to the Lord in times of need? There might be a spot for you on Reid's staff after all.
Supposedly Roob Frank is now changing his DC pick to Ray Horton from the Steelers
Meanwhile Perry says he's ready to be a DC (http://hamptonroads.com/2011/01/chesapeakes-darren-perry-emerges-candidate-eagles-job)
So, their next DC:
-is black
-is currently a DB coach
-is well-versed in the 3-4
-coached with the Steelers
-is coaching in the Super Bowl next weekend
There are rumors that Darren Perry might be headed to Oakland instead. Apparently Horton has more 4-3 experience. I really don't know who is better and don't give a shtein.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Seth_Joyner_looking_to_get_into_coaching.html
QuoteFormer Eagle great, Seth Joyner, said this week he's looking to get into coaching and thinks he can help the Birds' linebackers.
"If granted the opportunity, I would love to come back to Philly to coach and pass on my linebacking knowledge to this good group of young Eagles LBs,"
GET
how desperate do you have to be for a job to say that the eagle linebackers are a good group
Seth Joyner is god. Ultimate beast. Get him, get him now!
that would explain his high level football employment over the last 15 years
I have no interest in Joyner as a coach (and I'm not exactly sure why anyone would have such interest, other than nostalgia), but there might be a spot on the 54-man roster for him.
anything other than the duce staley godfather role (did you ever see him on the sidelines with his microphone on his headset not flipped all the way up...its like one day andy told him if you say one god damn thing during the game to us im going to fire you midgame) is a waste.
let him hang around a share war stories and make asante samuel feel like a Hoyda.
I believe he would make a good LB coach.
what makes you think that other than the fact that he used to be able to play football like 20 years ago
wes hopkins would make a HOF safeties coach
Oh I don't know, Todd. I mean he never played the game or anything. We need to see more Bill Shuey's or Rory Segrest's.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
Oh I don't know, Todd. I mean he never played the game or anything. We need to see more Bill Shuey's or Rory Segrest's.
this is your brad geobel theory come alive again
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
Oh I don't know, Todd. I mean he never played the game or anything. We need to see more Bill Shuey's or Rory Segrest's.
a lot of people played the game a lot better than joyner and still couldnt coach a lick
just because he was good doesnt mean anything when it comes to coaching
And you, either of you, have proof to the contrary.
I think he would be like Kevin Greene...bringing skills and some goddamn fire (fiery!) to a position that needs it.
Quote from: MDS on January 30, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
Oh I don't know, Todd. I mean he never played the game or anything. We need to see more Bill Shuey's or Rory Segrest's.
a lot of people played the game a lot better than joyner and still couldnt coach a lick
just because he was good doesnt mean anything when it comes to coaching
it has nothing to do with how good he was....it has to do with don and j loving a legendary eagle....i kinda cant blame them as i love seth as much as anyone...but jesus lets compose ourselves for a minute
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:25:59 AM
And you, either of you, have proof to the contrary.
I think he would be like Kevin Greene...bringing skills and some goddamn fire (fiery!) to a position that needs it.
can you pinpoint what exactly seth has done for the last 15 years that would put him even close to a kevin greene level much less qualify him for a professional dc position
or bring him in as an intern and see whats up
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:31:25 AM
or bring him in as an intern and see whats up
id be all for that...and not much more
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 30, 2011, 12:27:42 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 30, 2011, 12:23:47 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:14:24 AM
Oh I don't know, Todd. I mean he never played the game or anything. We need to see more Bill Shuey's or Rory Segrest's.
a lot of people played the game a lot better than joyner and still couldnt coach a lick
just because he was good doesnt mean anything when it comes to coaching
it has nothing to do with how good he was....it has to do with don and j loving a legendary eagle....i kinda cant blame them as i love seth as much as anyone...but jesus lets compose ourselves for a minute
i know, its the assumption that oh he was great yea bring him to coach mindset that is clearly based on nothing.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 12:25:59 AM
And you, either of you, have proof to the contrary.
I think he would be like Kevin Greene...bringing skills and some goddamn fire (fiery!) to a position that needs it.
yea but there is no evidence that he CAN coach. as igy said hes been doing exactly what for 15 years and now wants to coach? mike schmidt wanted to coach too but also wanted to take 4 months off to fish and drink in florida.
There's no evidence you can string together coherent thoughts into properly structured sentences and yet here you are working in print media. I have no problem if the Eagles were to add Seth to their staff in almost any capacity.
No one would know if he would make a good coach or not.....but let's be honest he would have as good of a chance as anybody to be a good coach. He would immediately demand respect......not to mention he could eat children!
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 30, 2011, 01:34:44 AM
but let's be honest he would have as good of a chance as anybody to be a good coach.
let be honest no he doesnt....he hasnt been involved in the upper levels of football in any way shape or form for over a decade...and if he showed even an inkling of having some sort of coaching talent then that combined with how good of a player he was he would have gotten a sniff.....hes duce staley but a decade more removed from the sport...at best he gets a quality control position....
to say you would take him in "almost any capacity" is just insane
people cant get over the fact that its not 1991 anymore and seth joyner is as useless to a football team as i am
i understand j having the problem seeing how he thinks donovan mcnabb is still 26 and is stuck in 2004 but everyone else....what the farg
When it comes to coaching football, and your teams LB's suck, I'll take someone who used to play LB in the league at a high level over some other nerdy white looking dolt who was the Dolphins quality control coach for 3 years
You guys are insane. If Joyner wants to coach so much, why he ain't been doin' it for the last 15 years? It's not like you have to suck someone's dick get a spot coaching a little league team.
That's how you do it when you leave the sport: you take a low level job somewhere and bust ass, work your way up, your name and contacts help you along the way so it won't take quite as long for you as it does for the no-name coaches, etc. And of course, you gotta be a decent coach.
No way do i want to see Seth f'n Joyner in any real coaching position on the Eagles.
Quote from: Diomedes on January 30, 2011, 05:20:00 AM
You guys are insane. If Joyner wants to coach so much, why he ain't been doin' it for the last 15 years? It's not like you have to suck someone's dick get a spot coaching a little league team.
That's how you do it when you leave the sport: you take a low level job somewhere and bust ass, work your way up, your name and contacts help you along the way so it won't take quite as long for you as it does for the no-name coaches, etc. And of course, you gotta be a decent coach.
No way do i want to see Seth f'n Joyner in any real coaching position on the Eagles.
If I had to guess I'd say maybe he had some cash laid away and the well is finally running dry.
More likely some fool stuck a mike in his grill and he just said some crap for kicks. He can't be serious.
Quote from: MDS on January 29, 2011, 11:47:52 PM
anything other than the duce staley godfather role (did you ever see him on the sidelines with his microphone on his headset not flipped all the way up...its like one day andy told him if you say one god damn thing during the game to us im going to fire you midgame) is a waste.
best post of your life
nm - not going there.
I'd love to see Joyner back with the Eagles in some capacity. Dude could do it all (stop the run, blitz, cause turnovers, defend the pass) and had a no bullshtein attitude (coined the phrase Ran-Doll for Randall). The D needs guys like that who are born with a chip on their shoulder. There's a lot he could teach the LBs. That being said you don't just hand over the LB coaching job to someone because they played the position at a high level 20 years ago. So - like Duce - take him on as an intern and see what he can do. Know why the backs were better in pass protection this season? It was because of Duce. You can learn a ton from guys who have been there and done that.
If Todd Pinkston can coach wr's, then Seth Joyner should get a chanced to coach linebackers.
Other than igy and mds - who trot out contrarian points if view regularly - I'm surprised that so many are opposed to this. What is the worst that happens? That he sucks? Ok like it would be the first time they had a zesty coach on the team.
Give him a shot as an intern ala Duce.
Exactly
its not a contrarian view point just for fargs sake
its the fact that hes been sitting on his ass for 15 years and all of a sudden told some random reporter that he wants to get into coaching. and with that, everyone is ready to blow open the doors of the novacare for him.
he might be good, he might not. i dont really know and it doesnt really matter. its not like he would be able to all of a sudden make moise fouke a competent nfl linebacker.
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/30/11/Source-Eagles-not-after-Perry-for-D-coor/landing_eagles.html?blockID=400517&feedID=704
Lets be honest, none of us or the media has any idea who they're going to hire.
I don't know if Seth can coach or not. I do know he could play the position 20 years ago. If that translates into an ability now to coach, then bring him in, at least as an apprentice. Hell, the linebackers they have are so awful it really couldn't hurt for them to see a guy who could actually play the game.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 30, 2011, 11:39:22 AM
Other than igy and mds - who trot out contrarian points if view regularly - I'm surprised that so many are opposed to this. What is the worst that happens? That he sucks? Ok like it would be the first time they had a zesty coach on the team.
Give him a shot as an intern ala Duce.
who said they would be opposed to making him an intern?...id hire god damn reese as an intern and not think twice about it
i do have a problem with taking him on in "almost any capacity"
and no he doesnt have as good a chance as anyone at being a good coach...for example jim washburn has a better chance at being a good OL coach than seth does at being a good lb coach...i will agree that he has as good a chance as anyone else who has never coached a single day of football in their lives to become a good coach...but thats a pretty big pool of people....lets agree that on the potential good coach meter he falls somewhere ahead of reggie white and me and on the same level as any other ex nfl player EVER... i mean christ lets bring frank lemaster up in this bitch while we are at it
bottom ine you want him because it would make you feel good to hire an ex buddy guy...and on that level im all IN...but above and beyond that there is literally nothing else to see here
http://www.csnphilly.com/01/30/11/Report-Eagles-seek-to-interview-Bears-Ho/landing_eagles.html?blockID=401297&feedID=704
meh
Little odd that they have waited to interview him.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 31, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
Little odd that they have waited to interview him.
Actually he apparently already interviewed. Look test FAIL:
(http://www.chicagobears.com/userfiles/image/default/JonHoke_inside(2).jpg)
Is that Cutler's dad?
people with dey eyes so close together ain't look right.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 31, 2011, 07:48:54 PM
Is that Cutler's dad?
No, but he is University of Michigan head coach Brady Hoke's older brother.
GET!
And Miami blocked them from talking to Todd Bowles & Cincy blocked them from interviewing Kevin Coyle
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 29, 2011, 11:22:23 PM
I have no interest in Joyner as a coach (and I'm not exactly sure why anyone would have such interest, other than nostalgia), but there might be a spot on the 54-man roster for him.
That's what I was getting at.
Quote from: FastFreddie on January 31, 2011, 07:46:18 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 31, 2011, 07:21:46 PM
Little odd that they have waited to interview him.
Actually he apparently already interviewed. Look test FAIL:
(http://www.chicagobears.com/userfiles/image/default/JonHoke_inside(2).jpg)
Damn, it's Joe Pesci. He'd probably do a good job wit da yutes.
Speaking of Joyner, was he not part of the original NFL Network studio crew? I recall he was all into the media thing while he was playing for the birds. He was actually a camera man during some Sixer games.
jesus you think winston moss wants to be a defensive coordinator much?
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"The Eagles have some established talent there right now," Moss said. "It would be fun to work with that group. They work extremely hard. They play on a fanatical level. They have some playmakers on that defense. In carefully looking at them and then competing against them twice [this season], that would be a fantastic opportuntity."
They play on a fanatical level? What the hell does that even mean? Dude is off his rocker.
Being off his rocker might be exactly what this defense needs. It seems to me most of their problems have to do with not tackling......and lack of talent of course.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 01, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
Being off his rocker might be exactly what this defense needs.
this
put aside for a second mcdermotts schemes and his x and o ability...from just a personality standpoint he seems like a huge fail....i just cant see that guy getting in anyones ass and even if he does whos gonna listen...
if im winston moss the first day on the job i antagonize assante samuel so that he mouths off to me....then i choke his ass out in front of the entire defense...then i begin my career as eagles DC
So you want him to be Terry Tate?
Or Latrelle Sprewell
Hells yeah!
I'm guessing by off his rocker Dio meant he's an idiot, not a wildman.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 01, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 01, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
Being off his rocker might be exactly what this defense needs.
this
put aside for a second mcdermotts schemes and his x and o ability...from just a personality standpoint he seems like a huge fail....i just cant see that guy getting in anyones ass and even if he does whos gonna listen...
if im winston moss the first day on the job i antagonize assante samuel so that he mouths off to me....then i choke his ass out in front of the entire defense...then i begin my career as eagles DC
Hired. I miss Frank Kush.
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on February 01, 2011, 04:21:24 PM
......and lack of talent of course.
I was watching an interview with Jim Brown last night. He remarked that nearly everyone who gets to an NFL camp have nearly equal talent. It all comes down to work ethic, motivation and coaching.
Apparently Jim Brown is stupid
senile is probabaly a more apt description but either way he couldnt be more off base
They interviewed the Vikings defensive backs coach also. Joe Woods.
Any word if they interviewed Joe Webb?
Winston Moss will be whoring himself to the Eagles on 97.5 the Fanatic at 11:30
After listening to Moss I hope they pass.
He really did an interview 4 days before the Super Bowl?
Way to keep your eye on the ball douchbag.
He babbles a lot and comes off as a kiss ass. They asked him questions about the D and he started naming every player and how great they all were. Pass.
Quote from: SD on February 02, 2011, 11:50:06 AM
He babbles a lot and comes off as a kiss ass. They asked him questions about the D and he started naming every player and how great they all were. Pass.
so how many years does Howie give him, i think 4
Black guys can't be kiss-asses. He would be an Uncle Tom in that case.
Also, apparently Roy Horton is very interested in becoming a DC, and Trgovac wants to keep his options open.
sounds like someone who would have no problem snuggling in the pocket of banner inc
HIRED
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The NFL's defensive player of the year is well-acquainted with Ray Horton and Darren Perry, two possible candidates for the Eagles' defensive coordinator position. Steelers safety Troy Polamalu said he thinks either man would be a fine choice.
First, Polamalu on Horton, his current secondary coach: "first of all, he's got the toughest job on this team, coaching the secondary," Polamalu said. "The reason I say that is, we're always a run-stop defense first. There's always a lot of pressure for the secondary to tackle, but our responsibility is not to get beat deep. That's a lot of pressure for the players and the secondary coach. He's been here a long time and he's handled that. He has an in-depth understanding of the defense coach (Dick) LeBeau teaches, and he has an in-depth understanding of what the offense is doing, personnel groups, percentages."
Perry was Polamalu's secondary coach his first four years. Now he coaches safeties for the Packers. "He's like a father to me," Polamalu said. "he taught me so much. We've been through a whole lot, because my rookie year wasn't very good. I had to lean on him a lot, emotionally as well as learning the defense. I don't know much about this game, but I would think Darren Perry and Ray Horton would be great candidates for defensive coordinator jobs."
Here's an idea: Get players like Polamaulu and it wont matter who is coaching them.
supposedly they're announcing the new DC any minute now.
QuoteMultiple folks report that the Eagles are close to naming a new defensive coordinator.
???
yeah, it's farging Juan Castillo
what the farging farg
LMAO
no its not. please shut the farg up.
Jeff_McLane Jeffrey McLane
The #Eagles have named Jaun Castillo their next DC, a league source said.
EaglesInsider Eagles Insider
#Eagles have their man at defensive coordinator: Juan Castillo. Legendary Howard Mudd will fill Castillo's previous role as O-line coach.
roob and les confirm
holy farging shtein.
There aren't enough of the following faces in the world right now:
:-D :-D :-D :-D
:boom :boom :boom
:poison
i hit my head against the stall when i read this on the crapper
this is a just...i dont know
i just dont
You have to be farging kidding me
oh it's ok, he coached linebackers in 1989 at a texas high school
brownsville rejoices
Ok, so their search for a DC was indeed an abject embarrassment. My apologies to IGY.
Quote from: SunMo on February 02, 2011, 04:37:15 PM
oh it's ok, he coached linebackers in 1989 at a texas high school
He also played LB in the USFL too, I feel better now.
I'd rather them kept McDermott
Quote from: phattymatty on February 02, 2011, 04:39:33 PM
brownsville rejoices
he's a Port Isabel guy...a small 3A school (like 650 kids) just south of bville. hes a legend there and a big name in the valley...everyone here is probably happy.
Please kill me.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 02, 2011, 04:46:31 PM
Please kill me.
I would ask for your address, but you and me both know I already have it. See you in a few hours (but you probably won't see me).
I'm snowed in in Boston. Bitch.
You're a spry one.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 19, 2011, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on January 19, 2011, 02:23:56 PM
Quotei have no idea how good of a coach he is...i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade but
its sort of like alex gibbs
or juan castillo
hahaha... i knew you were to blame.
bastich.
question: on the open market does juan castillo garner even a defensive position coach interview anywhere in the nfl
He doesn't even get offensive coordinator interviews. I've always wondered why.
Quote from: rjs246 on February 02, 2011, 05:16:12 PM
I'm snowed in in Boston. Bitch.
I thought you moved to the south?
Also if I move to Boston will you be my friend?
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2011, 08:21:23 PM
He doesn't even get offensive coordinator interviews. I've always wondered why.
harbaugh essentially went from specials teams coach to head coach...juan castillo cant get a sniff of even a coordinator position...this is what im saying when i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade...some people have it and some dont...juan castillo clearly doesnt
Closer to two decades. He was a Rhodes hire.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on February 02, 2011, 08:21:23 PM
He doesn't even get offensive coordinator interviews. I've always wondered why.
harbaugh essentially went from specials teams coach to head coach...juan castillo cant get a sniff of even a coordinator position...this is what im saying when i question anyone who hasnt had a promotion in over a decade...some people have it and some dont...juan castillo clearly doesnt
thats the thing
he was there for 12 years...all these guys moved up under reid and all these guys moved on. yet no one took castillo and he stayed in his comfortable little spot as the o line coach. i mean rivera, frazier, harbaugh, childress, spangnulo...all of these guys will slurp castillo when asked but none of them thought enough of him to bring him on as a coordinator or asst head coach.
this thing is as farcical a joke as theyve had in the banner era and thats really saying something
The only thing I can say that possibly would make sense in his defense was that they knew Juan just wanted to stay in Philly. That being said I don't believe that. Most of them probably looked at him as what he is....a position coach.
he moved from PI to kingsville to somewhere to philly...hes a coach. he goes where the best job is. and a coordinator job under one of his boys > o line spot with andy.
im leaning towards going with igy and saying this is a big FU to everyone. what else can it be? what can justify hiring your o line coach which you bypassed 2 years when JJ died? if he was so good why promote the boy wonder and waste 2 years?
they talked to a bunch of people, werent blown away, got pissed off at the talk, said farg this and gave it to castillo.
the only hope is one day lurie waking up to all of this and firing banner and crumbling the system but i just dont believe thats possible.
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 02, 2011, 09:19:25 AM
senile is probabaly a more apt description but either way he couldnt be more off base
The interview was several years ago. I am amazed that someone who is obviously more intellegent and accomplished then the greatest player in the history of the NFL has time to spend posting on a fan message board.
Quote from: MDS on February 02, 2011, 09:28:22 PM
the only hope is one day lurie waking up to all of this and firing banner and crumbling the system but i just dont believe thats possible.
childhood friends FTL
the more realistic hope is that banners head explodes at all the hate directed towards him and just up and quits one day...more than likely though he thrives off it and will be running the eagles for the next 20 years or so
montgomery fired ed wade so anything is possible
the only way is a fan revolt like what happened with wade....but the hate is mostly directed at andy and it all probably will always be on whoever the coach is when they dont win. banner isnt as visible as he once was, roseman really never has been. people know who they are but the focus is always going to be on andy.
another possibility is bob kraft dying and jeff jumping at the chance to buy the pats and thereby being forced to sell the eagles.
if montgomery were the owner of the phils that might be a fair analogy...also even tho ed wade was with the phillies for a long time it still doesnt compare to being childhood friends
you and i know the only power the phillies owners have is money...they dont give a shtein about who ed wade or pat gillick are
who will be gone first: banner or wheels?
not sure why the random johnson got locked but this is as good a place as any for this....
killa breakdown...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Cole_dropping_into_coverage.html
Brandon Graham in coverage 22 times. That makes me really farging angry.
I noticed that too. Move up in the goddamn draft to get a DE then make him cover TEs.
I admit I'm not any kind of defensive genius, but goddamnit I know that is some stupid stupid shtein right there.
Exactly. It bothers me a lot more than Cole, because at least Cole has the experience in the scheme to know how to change gears. It's hard enough to expect a rookie to battle against experienced NFL offensive linemen - why would you not let him focus on getting great at that first?
What's more....those 22 drop backs are in only 12 and a half games. And he wasn't on the field for every defensive play either.
farg you McDermott and farg you Reid.
Maybe if the Eagles would put a little more emphasis on the LB positions, they wouldn't have to drop defensive linemen into coverage so often.
And as far as Cole goes, it's pretty much been his mo to wear down as the year goes on. This isn't really news.
Maybe he wouldn't wear down so much if he had some goddamn help rushing the qb...from other linemen, from linebackers, from someone for farg sake....
Teams can just double him all they want and not worry about the rest.
Quote from: Diomedes on February 11, 2011, 12:30:53 PM
I noticed that too. Move up in the goddamn draft to get a DE then make him cover TEs.
I admit I'm not any kind of defensive genius, but goddamnit I know that is some stupid stupid shtein right there.
im not defending the practice but dropping back in coverage doesnt mean you are actually covering anyone and none of the de were required to run with a te...it basically means you didnt rush the qb...95% of the time they are dropping back to cover a small area just past the line of scrimmage to guard against a quick throw by the qb who dumping the ball off because of a blitz
I think you're (Dio) making excuses because Cole wasn't double-teamed all that much.
I think Dio wants to get double teamed by Cole and Graham. That's the (not so) subtle signal he's sending here.
I do like the idea of Cole shifting into a zone dog on my ass, I have to admit. Brandon McDougle need not apply however.
Confusing the offense is a nice theory but so is beating the living shtein out of them the traditional way.
Exactly. That's why Dom Capers dropped B.J. Raji into coverage for the first time in a playoff game. No one saw it coming = pick six. The Eagles' D trickery surprises no one, so if they play a solid base defense and DON'T try wacky shtein, they will probably be more successful.
Quote from: FastFreddie on February 11, 2011, 01:58:07 PM
The Eagles' D trickery surprises no one, so if they play a solid base defense and DON'T try wacky shtein, they will probably be more successful.
Alternately, maybe their base defense sucks so the only way they can get ahead of the game is to try wacky shtein.
No. Their starters suck (mostly) so they have to rely on trickery.
Get better players and the constant need for fancy bullshtein disappears.
Quote from: Rome on February 11, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
Confusing the offense is a nice theory but so is beating the living shtein out of them the traditional way.
agreed but the eagles dont have players to do that...i said it yesterday and it mentions it in the article as well that mcdermott was baiting and switching and using mirrors on defense so much because he couldnt beat anyone straight up with that he had to work with
it all comes back to the players...in his prime buddy ryan isnt fixing this defense...much less the coaching changes the eagles have made this offseason...mcdermott ran jim johnsons defense...im not saying hes as good a coordinator as jj...of course hes not close...but the main reason that one was good with the birds and one was bad is because of the defensive talent base...
jim johnson was dropping hugh douglas into coverage in 2001 and jevon jearse in 2004...but he had brian dawkins blitzing from everywhere and sheldon brown troy vincent coming from the corners...he had numerous good players to work with...rigth now the players are disgusting
Their personnel decisions on defense have been almost as awful as their offensive ones have been stellar. Not surprising but still infuriating.
Quote from: Rome on February 11, 2011, 02:32:45 PM
Their personnel decisions on defense have been almost as awful as their offensive ones have been stellar. Not surprising but still infuriating.
right now on defense is right where they stood on offense in 2007 just before getting mack pimp shady...if they can have a couple drafts where they get the linebacking/secondary equivalent to those three then it would be on...and while i dont have confidence at all in that happening i also had little confidence in 2007 that the eagles would be able to draft any good wr's....so you never know
they havent attempted to draft a halfway decent linebacker
at least with wr they tried (and missed) with freddie, pinkston, reggie brown, etc
eventually they were gonna hit....with lb and to a certain extent safety they are 0/0 and clearly not interested
I never thought they would draft Pimp.....so who knows maybe they will surprise us and draft a stud LB.
They have drafted receivers early before, not LB's. Maybe Juan will change that, I hope.
Unless Juan pulls out a switchblade in the draft war room it ain't gonna happen, Mussa.
OL, OL, DT, CB, S... that's how they'll be drafting this year. Book it.
Since they're all basically admitting that Washburn is the DC (LB's and DB's coaches are all playing off of his system)... you gotta think that Andy would consider getting him a monster for him to play with on the D-line, right? Right?
Please?
Quote from: Rome on February 11, 2011, 04:27:00 PM
Unless Juan pulls out a switchblade in the draft war room it ain't gonna happen, Mussa.
He's brown so it's
possible likely that he carries a blade on him 24/7.
You Juanna make a friendly wager on it?
He's Mexican, not Puerto Rican. It would be a boxcutter. Idiots.
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 11, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Since they're all basically admitting that Washburn is the DC (LB's and DB's coaches are all playing off of his system)... you gotta think that Andy would consider getting him a monster for him to play with on the D-line, right? Right?
Please?
Guessing you haven't been in the Phillip Hunt thread yet.
Quote from: General_Failure on February 11, 2011, 06:12:54 PM
He's Mexican, not Puerto Rican. It would be a boxcutter. Idiots.
No Juan will notice the difference.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on February 11, 2011, 06:13:49 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on February 11, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Since they're all basically admitting that Washburn is the DC (LB's and DB's coaches are all playing off of his system)... you gotta think that Andy would consider getting him a monster for him to play with on the D-line, right? Right?
Please?
Guessing you haven't been in the Phillip Hunt thread yet.
Is he Mike's brother?