I suppose I put enough piss in his grave before he finally succumbed. No need to speak ill of the dead.
Yo Sean,
Get well soon homeboy. Can I borrow your machete?
Mike Vick #7
GET WELL SOON SEAN!
(http://images.)
Nothing else in my life matters now. It's all so small compared to this mans health. Get well soon buddy, I'm prayin' for you.
I hope you get well, Sean, and I wish I would see you soon. Love, your grandson, Frank.
Sean, what the hell are you doing reading an Eagles message board?!! Get back to your coma!
*P.S.
Get well soon, huh!
No need to speak ill of the dead.
:poison :poison :poison
Next time duck. Or wear a cup.
:poison :poison :poison
Dear Sean,
Eagles/taterskins games just aren't gonna be the same without you there. In other words, the taterskins might win occasionally now that you're gone.
Love,
Your Pal Romey.
PS: Say "hi" to Tupac & Biggie for me!
OMG PRY!
The NFL won't be the same without you, Sean. Godspeed!
Dear Sean,
When I heard you got capped, my bowels shifted. At first I thought it was bad Chinese, then I realized it was the fact that you had been shot in the noots. I made the most glorious dooks. I almost read an entire National Geographic, it was about Malaria. Terrible stuff. While sitting there, I said a little prayer for you, but got distracted and beat off instead. My point is, you are a great man, and that beating off at work is the goodness.
Quote from: PPinDC on November 26, 2007, 05:15:28 PM
Dear Sean,
When I heard you got capped, my bowels shifted. At first I thought it was bad Chinese, then I realized it was the fact that you had been shot in the noots. I made the most glorious dooks. I almost read an entire National Geographic, it was about Malaria. Terrible stuff. While sitting there, I said a little prayer for you, but got distracted and beat off instead. My point is, you are a great man, and that beating off at work is the goodness.
For a little while, I thought it was Phillygirl that was posting that. I guess I have tunnel vision.
Yeah, please pull through, at least until I can score points off your death.
Hey, Demon, if they pull the plug, does that count as a natural death, suicide, or consequence of the homicide?
Sean Taylor got shot?
Holy shtein, look at that. He did get shot.
What a world.
Who's Sean Taylor? Is he white?
Dear Sean,
Didn't you always dream your NFL career would end due to you shooting someone else? It wasn't supposed to be this way. Well hang in there and mend quickly, buddy, and maybe your dream can still come true.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 26, 2007, 05:56:01 PM
Holy shtein, look at that. He did get shot.
What a world.
Apparently he wasn't able to successfully wield his Ugueth Urbina signature model machete before the assailant got the drop on him.
I don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
No matter what, its still weird to hear an athlete has died.
RIP
Dear ExtremeSkins guests who keep reading this thread,
If you're looking to find everyone's wonderful thoughts on that saint of a man Sean Taylor's death, please leave this thread and go over to the 2007 Point and Laugh thread and start at about page 97 or 98. All of our compassion can be seen there.
You're learning.
It sickens me to hear some of the comments you guys are posting. For those who think it's acceptable to make fun of a man's death, you are worthless sub-human trash.
None of you know Sean, and neither do I. For you to make judgments on a man whom you've never met, and know hardly anything about, is just pathetic. The man isn't even buried yet. I'm not asking for praise, or for anyone to say that he was a saint. He has family, and people who love him. Show some respect.
The guy made some mistakes in his life, and you condemn him and think he deserved to be murdered? Shame on you.
I leave you with this quote from the Great Bob Marley:
The road of life is rocky, and you may stumble too.
So while you point your finger, someone else is judging you.
Judge not. Before you judge yourself.
Judge not. If you're not ready for judgment!
You passing judgment on us is the height of hypocrisy.
Trust me, as a self-avowed hypocrite, I know of what I speak.
PS: Eat shtein and die, motherfarger.
oh no! bob marley quotes!
Did he really just throw a Bob Marley quote in there? What a farging douchebag clown.
Dammit. SunMo beat me to it...
Why did Jesus have to take Sean Taylor when douchebags like him are still roaming around?
Imagine your mother died, and somebody who didn't know her said, "good riddance." Now imagine that person trying to justify their feelings and comments. That is what some of you guys are trying to do. It's pathetic.
Go ahead and try to distract by referring to my Marley quote. You can't defend your insensitive and inhumane comments about a man's death, so you just move on to making fun of something totally insignificant. Nice try.
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
What kind of out and out idiot seriously compares a football player dying to someone's mother dying? Are they even remotely similar? No one cares when strangers die. Stop bending over backwards to try to make people care. It only shows how far up your ass your head is.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:31:11 PM
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
What kind of out and out idiot seriously compares a football player dying to someone's mother dying? Are they even remotely similar? No one cares when strangers die. Stop bending over backwards to try to make people care. It only shows how far up your ass your head is.
I never asked for anyone to care. Don't confuse the issue. All I ask for is respect. Don't say things like, "good riddance."
Somebody's mother dying and Sean Taylor's death are similar in this way: people love them. You don't trash somebody you don't even know ONE DAY after he died, just so you can get some laughs. People love them. Show some respect for those people.
Respect? Like he showed to his opponents and employers and acquaintances?
If his daughter were posting on this board I'd extend my condolences. But she isn't. In her place we have iceholes like you trying to tell us how to react. Eat shtein fargface.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:31:11 PM
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
What kind of out and out idiot seriously compares a football player dying to someone's mother dying? Are they even remotely similar? No one cares when strangers die. Stop bending over backwards to try to make people care. It only shows how far up your ass your head is.
I never asked for anyone to care. Don't confuse the issue. All I ask for is respect. Don't say things like, "good riddance."
Somebody's mother dying and Sean Taylor's death are similar in this way: people love them. You don't trash somebody you don't even know ONE DAY after he died, just so you can get some laughs. People love them. Show some respect for those people.
i hope you die
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:38:20 PM
Respect? Like he showed to his opponents and employers and acquaintances?
If his daughter were posting on this board I'd extend my condolences. But she isn't. In her place we have iceholes like you trying to tell us how to react. Eat shtein fargface.
I'm not trying to tell you how to react. Reaction and respect are two different things. You are the master of fallacious reasoning, and particularly the Red Herring.
I'm not asking you to show respect to me, or other fans. I'm asking you to respect his daughter, his father, and the rest of his family who loved him. What's so hard to understand?
i'm going to have some red herring for dinner, it's settled
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 01:41:16 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:35:38 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:31:11 PM
If my mother died. I would be upset. I wouldn't expect strangers who never met her to be upset.
What kind of out and out idiot seriously compares a football player dying to someone's mother dying? Are they even remotely similar? No one cares when strangers die. Stop bending over backwards to try to make people care. It only shows how far up your ass your head is.
I never asked for anyone to care. Don't confuse the issue. All I ask for is respect. Don't say things like, "good riddance."
Somebody's mother dying and Sean Taylor's death are similar in this way: people love them. You don't trash somebody you don't even know ONE DAY after he died, just so you can get some laughs. People love them. Show some respect for those people.
i hope you die
That's a real intelligent and compelling argument. What's the use in posting crap like that? Aren't you capable of some rational, intelligent discussion?
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 01:42:24 PM
i'm going to have some red herring for dinner, it's settled
This board is full of posts like this -- worthless nonsense. Don't you guys care about the quality of discussion here?
Where are they, these family members of his? Are they here? How am I supposed to respect them? By pretending that I care that their son/father is dead. I don't care, and more importantly, I'm not surprised. You reap what you sow. So stop being a holier than thou icehole and go away, I've had enough of owning your shtein for one day.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
That's a real intelligent and compelling argument. What's the use in posting crap like that? Aren't you capable of some rational, intelligent discussion?
i hope thee dies?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
Where are they, these family members of his? Are they here? How am I supposed to respect them? By pretending that I care that their son/father is dead. I don't care, and more importantly, I'm not surprised. You reap what you sow. So stop being a holier than thou icehole and go away, I've had enough of owning your shtein for one day.
Again, I never said you should care. You can't defend your vicious comments, so you just try to move the argument onto a different topic.
How do you know that one of Sean's family members are not here? They could be reading.
You respect them by not saying anything at all, if you are incapable of being considerate -- which you clearly are.
Judging by your reasoning, it must be okay with you to make fun of blacks, as long as there are no blacks within earshot. Your logic is ridiculous.
why do you care? we're obviously horrible people, go back to your ExtremeSkins circle jerk, make a new heaven sigpic and have a nice day.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 01:53:07 PM
why do you care? we're obviously horrible people, go back to your ExtremeSkins circle jerk, make a new heaven sigpic and have a nice day.
For the record, I don't care and I don't come from ES.
I just thought I'd post my feelings about what you guys were saying. Maybe it will make someone think twice about making fun of the murder of another man whom they've never met.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
Where are they, these family members of his? Are they here? How am I supposed to respect them? By pretending that I care that their son/father is dead. I don't care, and more importantly, I'm not surprised. You reap what you sow. So stop being a holier than thou icehole and go away, I've had enough of owning your shtein for one day.
Again, I never said you should care. You can't defend your vicious comments, so you just try to move the argument onto a different topic.
How do you know that one of Sean's family members are not here? They could be reading.
You respect them by not saying anything at all, if you are incapable of being considerate -- which you clearly are.
Judging by your reasoning, it must be okay with you to make fun of blacks, as long as there are no blacks within earshot. Your logic is ridiculous.
No, by my logic it must be ok to make fun of everything because nothing is off limits.
The difference is that I don't have a problem with 'blacks'. I do have a problem with worthless ingrates and people who lack the common decency to function in society. Like your boy Sean Taylor. So go spew your morality somewhere else. I'm perfectly comfortable mocking every last person who mourns the death of a farging football player/criminal.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
For the record, I don't care and I don't come from ES.
I just thought I'd post my feelings about what you guys were saying. Maybe it will make someone think twice about making fun of the murder of another man whom they've never met.
for the most part, nobody has made fun of his actual murder, we've been making fun of the incredible spectacle that is the Washington taterskins fans. grown men admitting to not being able to breathe because they are crying so hard because a man they have never met being dead. sig pics of a football player with wings ascending to heaven. a complete joke.
and, while i'd like to believe that you've never laughed or made fun of a "wacky" death that you've heard about on the news, i don't believe it. so save that sanctimonious "think twice" bullshtein. sean taylor is no different than any other person that has died today, yesterday, last week, or last year. each one of the has loved ones that will miss them in their own situation. so, until you are ready to say you are clean of what you are chastising us for, shut the farg up.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:51:31 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 01:45:51 PM
Where are they, these family members of his? Are they here? How am I supposed to respect them? By pretending that I care that their son/father is dead. I don't care, and more importantly, I'm not surprised. You reap what you sow. So stop being a holier than thou icehole and go away, I've had enough of owning your shtein for one day.
Again, I never said you should care. You can't defend your vicious comments, so you just try to move the argument onto a different topic.
How do you know that one of Sean's family members are not here? They could be reading.
You respect them by not saying anything at all, if you are incapable of being considerate -- which you clearly are.
Judging by your reasoning, it must be okay with you to make fun of blacks, as long as there are no blacks within earshot. Your logic is ridiculous.
No, by my logic it must be ok to make fun of everything because nothing is off limits.
The difference is that I don't have a problem with 'blacks'. I do have a problem with worthless ingrates and people who lack the common decency to function in society. Like your boy Sean Taylor. So go spew your morality somewhere else. I'm perfectly comfortable mocking every last person who mourns the death of a farging football player/criminal.
"...worthless ingrates and people who lack...common decency..."
Hmmm, sounds just like you and the rest of your buddies here.
Sean Taylor is not "my boy". I am also not mourning his death. I'm simply showing respect by not making judgments, and not making fun of the situation.
Judging by your reasoning, it would be totally acceptable for somebody to make fun of the death of your mother -- since, "nothing is off limits."
You are not mocking me. You are mocking the death of a father, a brother, a son -- a human being. You are so confused, and you can't defend yourself, so you keep resorting to fallacious tactics.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
For the record, I don't care and I don't come from ES.
I just thought I'd post my feelings about what you guys were saying. Maybe it will make someone think twice about making fun of the murder of another man whom they've never met.
for the most part, nobody has made fun of his actual murder, we've been making fun of the incredible spectacle that is the Washington taterskins fans. grown men admitting to not being able to breathe because they are crying so hard because a man they have never met being dead. sig pics of a football player with wings ascending to heaven. a complete joke.
and, while i'd like to believe that you've never laughed or made fun of a "wacky" death that you've heard about on the news, i don't believe it. so save that sanctimonious "think twice" bullshtein. sean taylor is no different than any other person that has died today, yesterday, last week, or last year. each one of the has loved ones that will miss them in their own situation. so, until you are ready to say you are clean of what you are chastising us for, shut the farg up.
I am clean. I have NEVER mocked the death of a human. I'm sure you won't believe me, because it makes your argument invalid.
I can remember when Timothy McVeigh was put to death, and the people who rejoiced. It sickened me, and it still does.
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:07:10 PM
I am clean. I have NEVER mocked the death of a human. I'm sure you won't believe me, because it makes your argument invalid.
I can remember when Timothy McVeigh was put to death, and the people who rejoiced. It sickened me, and it still does.
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:02:55 PM
for the most part, nobody has made fun of his actual murder, we've been making fun of the incredible spectacle that is the Washington taterskins fans.
Whatever. Is this what you call mocking the taterskins fans, and not his death? Nice try.
QuoteNothing else in my life matters now. It's all so small compared to this mans health. Get well soon buddy, I'm prayin' for you.
QuoteSean, what the hell are you doing reading an Eagles message board?!! Get back to your coma!
QuoteNext time duck. Or wear a cup.
QuoteDear Sean,
When I heard you got capped, my bowels shifted. At first I thought it was bad Chinese, then I realized it was the fact that you had been shot in the noots. I made the most glorious dooks. I almost read an entire National Geographic, it was about Malaria. Terrible stuff. While sitting there, I said a little prayer for you, but got distracted and beat off instead. My point is, you are a great man, and that beating off at work is the goodness.
QuoteYeah, please pull through, at least until I can score points off your death.
QuoteI don't mind to see bad things happen to bad people. Now he's gone. Let me be the first to say good riddance.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:55:47 PM
For the record, I don't care and I don't come from ES.
I just thought I'd post my feelings about what you guys were saying. Maybe it will make someone think twice about making fun of the murder of another man whom they've never met.
for the most part, nobody has made fun of his actual murder, we've been making fun of the incredible spectacle that is the Washington taterskins fans. grown men admitting to not being able to breathe because they are crying so hard because a man they have never met being dead. sig pics of a football player with wings ascending to heaven. a complete joke.
and, while i'd like to believe that you've never laughed or made fun of a "wacky" death that you've heard about on the news, i don't believe it. so save that sanctimonious "think twice" bullshtein. sean taylor is no different than any other person that has died today, yesterday, last week, or last year. each one of the has loved ones that will miss them in their own situation. so, until you are ready to say you are clean of what you are chastising us for, shut the farg up.
I am clean. I have NEVER mocked the death of a human. I'm sure you won't believe me, because it makes your argument invalid.
I can remember when Timothy McVeigh was put to death, and the people who rejoiced. It sickened me, and it still does.
What if I told you that I jacked it to the video of Saddam being hung. Would that make me a bad person in your eyes?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
@SunMo: I expected you to say that. You can't understand how somebody like me could find room in their heart to respect another human being, and it invalidates your argument, so you just pretend like it's not true.
You both can't form any worthy argument, so you just refuse to talk. It's pathetic -- really.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Dear Sean,
When I heard you got capped, my bowels shifted. At first I thought it was bad Chinese, then I realized it was the fact that you had been shot in the noots. I made the most glorious dooks. I almost read an entire National Geographic, it was about Malaria. Terrible stuff. While sitting there, I said a little prayer for you, but got distracted and beat off instead. My point is, you are a great man, and that beating off at work is the goodness.
Whoever wrote this was a poet. I want to farg their face.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
@SunMo: I expected you to say that. You can't understand how somebody like me could find room in their heart to respect another human being, and it invalidates your argument, so you just pretend like it's not true.
You both can't form any worthy argument, so you just refuse to talk. It's pathetic -- really.
nothing invalidates anything, you are a LIAR...
bye!
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
@SunMo: I expected you to say that. You can't understand how somebody like me could find room in their heart to respect another human being, and it invalidates your argument, so you just pretend like it's not true.
You both can't form any worthy argument, so you just refuse to talk. It's pathetic -- really.
Well, since I don't feel the need to justify myself to anyone, you're absolutely right. I'd rather be spending my time mocking sensitive dipshteins like you. Poor little guy. Can't laugh at the only thing in life that is certain. What a miserable experience life must be for you. Wah wah wah, death isn't funny.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
Can't life at the only thing in life that is certain.
wha?
I fixed it. Die.
Damn, I've seen some people get their asses handed to them before, but the beatdown TheInspector is getting from rjs and sun in this thread is pretty bad.
this shtein is classic...
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
@SunMo: I expected you to say that. You can't understand how somebody like me could find room in their heart to respect another human being, and it invalidates your argument, so you just pretend like it's not true.
You both can't form any worthy argument, so you just refuse to talk. It's pathetic -- really.
Well, since I don't feel the need to justify myself to anyone, you're absolutely right. I'd rather be spending my time mocking sensitive dipshteins like you. Poor little guy. Can't laugh at the only thing in life that is certain. What a miserable experience life must be for you. Wah wah wah, death isn't funny.
I don't laugh at death, so my life must be miserable? From the sound of it, the only enjoyment you receive in life is laughing at the death of other people. That sounds miserable to me.
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 28, 2007, 02:23:46 PM
Damn, I've seen some people get their asses handed to them before, but the beatdown TheInspector is getting from rjs and sun in this thread is pretty bad.
That's what you call a "beatdown"? :-D
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:26:18 PM
I don't laugh at death, so my life must be miserable? From the sound of it, the only enjoyment you receive in life is laughing at the death of other people. That sounds miserable to me.
Could you do us all a favor and end yours now so we can laugh at you?
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:26:18 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:16:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 02:08:43 PM
OK that's super. Bye bye now, little guy.
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
you're just a liar, no other way to say it.
either way.
buh bye
@SunMo: I expected you to say that. You can't understand how somebody like me could find room in their heart to respect another human being, and it invalidates your argument, so you just pretend like it's not true.
You both can't form any worthy argument, so you just refuse to talk. It's pathetic -- really.
Well, since I don't feel the need to justify myself to anyone, you're absolutely right. I'd rather be spending my time mocking sensitive dipshteins like you. Poor little guy. Can't laugh at the only thing in life that is certain. What a miserable experience life must be for you. Wah wah wah, death isn't funny.
I don't laugh at death, so my life must be miserable? From the sound of it, the only enjoyment you receive in life is laughing at the death of other people. That sounds miserable to me.
I find RJS's miserable attitude refreshing
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 28, 2007, 02:23:46 PM
Damn, I've seen some people get their asses handed to them before, but the beatdown TheInspector is getting from rjs and sun in this thread is pretty bad.
That's what you call a "beatdown"? :-D
Sorry, I'll throw a Bob Marley quote in there next time to really drive my point home
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 01:42:24 PM
i'm going to have some red herring for dinner, it's settled
This board is full of posts like this -- worthless nonsense. Don't you guys care about the quality of discussion here?
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Feel free to roam in our 'genera' section. I think you'll answer your own question. Also, if this is your first time on the internet, welcome, but don't expect people to give a shtein about your opinion.
...he said, 'quality of discussion'. You ever heard of cup chicks?
someone in my office just stepped on an ant...
you lived your live ant, and i love you.
i'm praying for you!
Okay, guys. I think I'm done.
Nobody posts anything worth reading, and it's comical. What's the point?
I guess I'll check back later on to see if any of you could form an intelligent post.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:31:03 PM
Okay, guys. I think I'm done.
Nobody posts anything worth reading, and it's comical. What's the point?
I guess I'll check back later on to see if any of you could form an intelligent post.
If you're looking for intelligent posts, check out any of mine. They are hilarious, full of information and recipes.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:26:18 PM
I don't laugh at death, so my life must be miserable?
Yes.
QuoteFrom the sound of it, the only enjoyment you receive in life is laughing at the death of other people.
No.
QuoteThat sounds miserable to me.
I get it! You just said what I said! Way to think, smart stuff!
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: SunMo on November 28, 2007, 02:02:55 PM
for the most part, nobody has made fun of his actual murder, we've been making fun of the incredible spectacle that is the Washington taterskins fans.
Whatever. Is this what you call mocking the taterskins fans, and not his death? Nice try.
Well, he did say "for the most part" and most of those quotes were before he died, so you can take your faux moral superiority stick it up your ass.
Some people just despise the false pretense that some people put on to create the illusion that they are caring individuals that are "better" than normal folks. Since most Skins fans are about creating false & ignorant perceptions that they are superior, you fall right in line with them.
Personally, I feel bad for Taylor's parents the most, as I've seen the emotional wreckage that losing a child creates. The girlfriend & the child will move on & be taken care, so I'm not too concerned about them.
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 02:31:03 PM
Okay, guys. I think I'm done.
QuoteTheInspector 03:31:08 PM Viewing the topic Sean Taylor RIP.
Liar liar! Sean Taylor lake o' fire!
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 01:27:43 PM
Imagine your mother died, and somebody who didn't know her said, "good riddance." Now imagine that person trying to justify their feelings and comments. That is what some of you guys are trying to do. It's pathetic.
Go ahead and try to distract by referring to my Marley quote. You can't defend your insensitive and inhumane comments about a man's death, so you just move on to making fun of something totally insignificant. Nice try.
My mom did die and I really wouldn't give a shtein if someone said good riddance. She wasn't a thug gangster who spit in people's faces and kept machete's in their bedroom. So the breast cancer wasn't really coming or deserved. So it wouldn't apply, and I wouldn't care.
But I didn't expect anybody to care, it only hurt me and others that knew her. Just like Sean Taylor's death. You didn't know him, you never would've known him, you simply idolize him because he plays football well. You're an idiot and it would be just super if you drank some rat poisoning.
Inspector, you've obviously taken this board as a place where everything is serious, and everything is as it looks. Your mistake, my friend. I suggest you take a chill pill and realize that as you flail about on this topic, you're drawing more and more negativity toward yourself.
If you can't handle it, or you just don't understand what's going on, let me know, and I'll be glad to show you the door.
Looks like The Inspector has had trouble before with understanding us:
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on July 31, 2006, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: TheInspector on July 31, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Other than this post, none of you have offered any good info about why you don't need a possession receiver (and not much in that post either). I'm sure someone out there has critical thinking skills...I'll be waiting.
:-D You'll fit in nicely.
For the record, I would have been on with bringing in Keyshawn.
Am I wrong for sensing sarcasm in that post? I don't think so, because (like you) I have noticed that most posters here don't care about facts or reality (only about bashing other posters who's opinions don't match their own)...It's pretty funny actually.
LOL : I just read your sig...that's great (and so true)
The Inspector is code for child molestor
so this guy's deal is to come here, say nothing that we don't already know, and then pretend he is smarter? seems like a fun gig.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 28, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
so this guy's deal is to come here, say nothing that we don't already know, and then pretend he is smarter? seems like a fun gig.
He needs to pay FastFreddie for stealing his gig.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 28, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
Inspector, you've obviously taken this board as a place where everything is serious, and everything is as it looks. Your mistake, my friend. I suggest you take a chill pill and realize that as you flail about on this topic, you're drawing more and more negativity toward yourself.
exactly...how does he not realize that these people on the internet live for the sole purpose of responding with loud and unfunny posts to the exact kind of retorts he is giving...this thread will be 700 pages before midnite if he keeps it up
normally this board is top notch but the two st threads over the last 24 hrs have reached sub emb levels
Thank god there's another moral compass chiming in to guide us from our sinister ways.
its has nothing to do with morals
it has to do with 40 pages of the same jokes about the same thing with .74% of it being funny yet people
does the fact that a lot of it is about a guy who just died make it less funny...of course...but thats hardly the issue as far as im concerned
we get that extremeskins is filled with unbearable douchebags
we get that you dont care that sean taylor died
we get that you dont care that other people care that he died
we get that you think hes equivalent to hitler because he spit on someone
we get that you hate rich athletes
we got all this BEFORE HE DIED
we dont need 50 pages in 24 hrs of it
its why most of us are here instead of on the emb anymore
keep it real.
lololololololololololololol
I wish there were more racist taterskins fans here to help us change our ways because clearly they hold the high ground in the battle for NFL Message Board souls.
So, to recap:
CF = Perdition.
ES = Abraham's Bosom.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 03:28:27 PM
we get that you think hes equivalent to hitler because he spit on someone
It's funny that you keep coming back to this and blowing it up more and more with each mention. Where do you go from Hitler? Satan maybe? No, I guess the anti-christ would come before Satan. Can't just dive right into the triple-dog-dare, there's a path you have to follow to get there.
Sanctimony rules.
"My mom did die"
Good. More pain for you. She didn't farging love you anyway, you worthless no-talent hack.
To a lot of us, Sean Taylor was just a talented young man dying. We might feel a little bad about a 24yo dying in a senseless manner, but we get over it.
The thing that gets me is the farging hypocrisy on this board. People like phillygirl complaining that Sean Taylor is front page while the 2yo girl that died in Texas is not. And other people quoting that sentiment and saying "This" to show their agreement.
What the farg? I didn't know either of them. Both are tragic. You're going to tell me that one is more tragic than the other? Because one is an innocent child or some bullshtein like that? farg you and your holier than thou hierarchy of sympathy bullshtein.
Another thing is the blatant racism on this board from munson and butchers bill going overboard with the thug thoery. You idiots didn't know him so don't claim to. rjs included.
Every time you say he was a thug and deserved to die you are spewing racism. The fact that you don't know it doesn't mean shtein. Know that. You are just generalizing his upbringing, run ins with the law, and making assumptions. (despite evidence to the contrary) And if you go with your bullshtein "thug" theory don't you think he would have farging guns in the house? Or even get his wife and kid out of state, while he tried to take care of the problem himself? Yeah he's a real thug obeying the law and all abiding by that no firearms on probation thing.
The jokes, whatever. Some are a little funny. But to say the man deserved to die, etc, when you don't know shtein is farging off the charts.
And sun, that "you're a liar" thing? You're better than that. That was farging weak. Just saying.
A little girl getting slaughtered by her parents isn't more tragic than an adult getting murdered?
Wow.
Not flaming here just trying to understand the rationale behind that sort of statement.
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to shout 'racism'. I'm actually pleasantly surprised with the fact that it took this long.
"My mom did die"
Good. More pain for you. She didn't farging love you anyway, you worthless no-talent hack.
pretty much null and voided anything worthwhile you had to say afterwards you stupid ignorant redneck
Hey guys- just checking in. It's fortunate I get cell reception in hell. Sean says hi.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
A little girl getting slaughtered by her parents isn't more tragic than an adult getting murdered?
Wow.
Not flaming here just trying to understand the rationale behind that sort of statement.
Holier than thou farg.
pretty impressive that the racist fan can come in here calling us all ingrates and sink lower than everyone with four words.
Can you get AIDS in hell? SunMo, can you do your research?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 03:53:56 PM
"My mom did die"
Good. More pain for you. She didn't farging love you anyway, you worthless no-talent hack.
pretty much null and voided anything worthwhile you had to say afterwards you stupid ignorant redneck
foolish. can't even see the farging parallels.
Well, this has degenerated nicely.
Personally I think you and any offspring you produce should be sent to the same gas chamber after being tortured.
Hope that clears up any misconception you may have had.
A little girl getting slaughtered by her parents isn't more tragic than an adult getting murdered?
Wow.
Not flaming here just trying to understand the rationale behind that sort of statement.
imo the death of a 24 year old is worse than the death of a infant or young child
the killing of a child is worse but i think the older you get the greater the loss...until one becomes much older
in general tho im not sure you can quantify tragedy...every instance is different
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 04:01:22 PM
in general tho im not sure you can quantify tragedy...every instance is different
That was beautiful. :'(
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2007, 03:52:29 PM
A little girl getting slaughtered by her parents isn't more tragic than an adult getting murdered?
Wow.
Not flaming here just trying to understand the rationale behind that sort of statement.
If Sean Taylor had been some no name that was gunned down in his home no one would care, but since he played Safety for the taterskins that elevates his life to a more worthy status.
Quote from: qwert246 on November 28, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
Another thing is the blatant racism on this board from munson and butchers bill going overboard with the thug thoery. You idiots didn't know him so don't claim to. rjs included.
Every time you say he was a thug and deserved to die you are spewing racism. The fact that you don't know it doesn't mean shtein. Know that. You are just generalizing his upbringing, run ins with the law, and making assumptions. (despite evidence to the contrary) And if you go with your bullshtein "thug" theory don't you think he would have farging guns in the house? Or even get his wife and kid out of state, while he tried to take care of the problem himself? Yeah he's a real thug obeying the law and all abiding by that no firearms on probation thing.
He was a thug.
And pulling the race card is hilarious. You really showed us.
Red Skins
Quote from: qwert246 on November 28, 2007, 03:44:59 PM
"My mom did die"
Good. More pain for you. She didn't farging love you anyway, you worthless no-talent hack.
actually i laughed at this. but that doesnt take away from the fact that you should die.
I read somewhere on something I wrote that the genetic make up of midgets prevents them from ever contracting herpes.
Good news?
I believe that life is about as precious as a box of stale Cheerios. What I was wondering is why qwert would post something like that. What was his/her rationale behind making a statement that seems in direct contradiction with his sobfest over Taylor's death?
Also - he mocks the death of someone's mother in the same thread he decries racism. Huh??
taterskins fans are cute little schizophrenic freaks. I'll give them that.
i'm quite certain that if we can get one more person with pure hate in their heart on this thread, it will create another incurable disease
Since when does "thug" equate to racism? Reach much?
If Federline were to get shot in the wang right now and die I'd say the same about him.
Farg off.
in other words you dont only have to only be black but you can simply just act black and poof youre a thug
igy must be right, he knows a lot about acting black
Thugs come in many shapes and colors, maestro.
You got your Irish thugs, your Italian thugs, your Mexican thugs... you name it.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 04:23:10 PM
in other words you dont only have to only be black but you can simply just act black and poof youre a thug
Sure, why not. Thats what you want to believe anyway.
i also spit on someone before and got fined for a late hit once
THUG LIFE!!
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2007, 04:25:07 PM
Thugs come in many shapes and colors, maestro.
You got your Irish thugs, your Italian thugs, your Mexican thugs... you name it.
Don't forget your internet thugs. Like me. I'm really tough. Ask anyone.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on November 28, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
Inspector, you've obviously taken this board as a place where everything is serious, and everything is as it looks. Your mistake, my friend. I suggest you take a chill pill and realize that as you flail about on this topic, you're drawing more and more negativity toward yourself.
If you can't handle it, or you just don't understand what's going on, let me know, and I'll be glad to show you the door.
No, I haven't mistaken this board as a place where EVERYTHING is serious. I just thought that some things would be -- like the murder of another human being. It's obviously a place where NOTHING is taken seriously.
Don't try to make it seem like I have no sense of humor, because I can't laugh about the murder of another human being.
It amazes me that you are defending these people and the vitriol that they post on YOUR message board.
I guess I'm the bad guy. <<shakes head>>
Quote from: TheInspector on November 28, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
<<shakes head>>
ahahhahahhhahahhahahahahah
kill yourself, please
I just peed <<jiggled penis>>
I think you're looking at it the wrong way-- people here are fairly indifferent about the murder because they don't know or care about the guy. They're mocking the general obnoxious and hyperbolic reaction to the murder by skins fans. And that reaction really is laughable.
The funny thing is the words "Satire" and "Parody" are in the description of the CF site if you do a Google search.
I guess the concepts of satire and parody are beyond the grasp of most Northern Virginians.
here's an idea...it works for me in my life.
if you find this thread objectionable, don't open it. just like if i don't like a song, or tv show, or movie...i change the station or channel it's on.
you see! you see! YOU have the power!
<<pumps fist>>
Pumps what?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 04:26:26 PM
i also spit on someone before and got fined for a late hit once
THUG LIFE!!
I know you can't let this go and won't stop danglin' even after I write this, but I'm going to explain in small words anyway...
Spitting on someone is not a capital crime. It isn't a jailable offense. It isn't even really all that bad when you compare it to other things a person can do.
The reason it has always and will always bother me is because of the viciousness behind it. The foul nature of the act. He's deliberately desecrating his opponent. A fellow competitor. He might was well be whipping his hardon out and jerking off on the guy. Or dropping trou and shteinting on him. That's what spitting on someone symbolizes. But it goes deeper than that too. In addition to disrespecting the person that he's spitting on, he's very actively disrespecting the rules of competition that everyone is taught from the first time you step onto the field. Cockiness and bravado are good, disrespecting your opponent and treating them like garbage, something lower than human, something you would spit or shtein or ejaculate onto casts a pall on every positive thing he did on the field, because he showed no respect or appreciation for where he was or what he was doing or the fact that 107 other players were there that day trying to do the same job.
Spitting on someone isn't a big deal in and of itself, so you can jump up and down and be right about that, but the lack of respect and appreciation for his lot in life and for the fact that his opponents share that lot in life, to me shows exactly what kind of person he was.
There, you can go back to your manic obsession with my balls now.
<<spits on dog>>
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 04:37:36 PM
I know you can't let this go and won't stop danglin' even after I write this, but I'm going to explain in small words anyway...
Spitting on someone is not a capital crime. It isn't a jailable offense. It isn't even really all that bad when you compare it to other things a person can do.
The reason it has always and will always bother me is because of the viciousness behind it. The foul nature of the act. He's deliberately desecrating his opponent. A fellow competitor. He might was well be whipping his hardon out and jerking off on the guy. Or dropping trou and shteinting on him. That's what spitting on someone symbolizes. But it goes deeper than that too. In addition to disrespecting the person that he's spitting on, he's very actively disrespecting the rules of competition that everyone is taught from the first time you step onto the field. Cockiness and bravado are good, disrespecting your opponent and treating them like garbage, something lower than human, something you would spit or shtein or ejaculate onto casts a pall on every positive thing he did on the field, because he showed no respect or appreciation for where he was or what he was doing or the fact that 107 other players were there that day trying to do the same job.
Spitting on someone isn't a big deal in and of itself, so you can jump up and down and be right about that, but the lack of respect and appreciation for his lot in life and for the fact that his opponents share that lot in life, to me shows exactly what kind of person he was.
There, you can go back to your manic obsession with my balls now.
<<spits on dog>>
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/didntread4gd.gif)
Quote from: reese125 on November 28, 2007, 04:29:22 PM
I just peed <<jiggled penis>>
To all the doubters:
I actually laughed at this.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2007, 04:41:21 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 04:37:36 PM
I know you can't let this go and won't stop danglin' even after I write this, but I'm going to explain in small words anyway...
Spitting on someone is not a capital crime. It isn't a jailable offense. It isn't even really all that bad when you compare it to other things a person can do.
The reason it has always and will always bother me is because of the viciousness behind it. The foul nature of the act. He's deliberately desecrating his opponent. A fellow competitor. He might was well be whipping his hardon out and jerking off on the guy. Or dropping trou and shteinting on him. That's what spitting on someone symbolizes. But it goes deeper than that too. In addition to disrespecting the person that he's spitting on, he's very actively disrespecting the rules of competition that everyone is taught from the first time you step onto the field. Cockiness and bravado are good, disrespecting your opponent and treating them like garbage, something lower than human, something you would spit or shtein or ejaculate onto casts a pall on every positive thing he did on the field, because he showed no respect or appreciation for where he was or what he was doing or the fact that 107 other players were there that day trying to do the same job.
Spitting on someone isn't a big deal in and of itself, so you can jump up and down and be right about that, but the lack of respect and appreciation for his lot in life and for the fact that his opponents share that lot in life, to me shows exactly what kind of person he was.
There, you can go back to your manic obsession with my balls now.
<<spits on dog>>
(http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/didntread4gd.gif)
Way to go, Munson.
IGY Munson. Yep...nice ring to it.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 04:37:36 PM
I know you can't let this go and won't stop danglin' even after I write this, but I'm going to explain in small words anyway...
Spitting on someone is not a capital crime. It isn't a jailable offense. It isn't even really all that bad when you compare it to other things a person can do.
The reason it has always and will always bother me is because of the viciousness behind it. The foul nature of the act. He's deliberately desecrating his opponent. A fellow competitor. He might was well be whipping his hardon out and jerking off on the guy. Or dropping trou and shteinting on him. That's what spitting on someone symbolizes. But it goes deeper than that too. In addition to disrespecting the person that he's spitting on, he's very actively disrespecting the rules of competition that everyone is taught from the first time you step onto the field. Cockiness and bravado are good, disrespecting your opponent and treating them like garbage, something lower than human, something you would spit or shtein or ejaculate onto casts a pall on every positive thing he did on the field, because he showed no respect or appreciation for where he was or what he was doing or the fact that 107 other players were there that day trying to do the same job.
Spitting on someone isn't a big deal in and of itself, so you can jump up and down and be right about that, but the lack of respect and appreciation for his lot in life and for the fact that his opponents share that lot in life, to me shows exactly what kind of person he was.
There, you can go back to your manic obsession with my balls now.
<<spits on dog>>
This is actually a good post. I knew you could do it. I'm proud of you.
I was also disgusted when he did that, and I don't tolerate unsportsmanlike conduct. However, what is so different about that and celebrating a touchdown? You said yourself that, "spitting on someone isn't a big deal in and of itself," so you take issue with the, "lack of respect." Touchdown celebrations aren't a big deal, in and of themselves. However, most touchdown celebrations are disrespectful as well. Do you agree?
I'm not trying to get into this any further, but I'm on the record for generally disliking all forms of showboating. Spitting on someone is actually an affront to that person in a much more foul and despicable way than touchdown celebrations, though. Obviously.
And don't condescend me, little man. I've already disposed of you once today.
Munson > IGY
Igy's an idiot.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 04:53:43 PM
I'm not trying to get into this any further, but I'm on the record for generally disliking all forms of showboating. Spitting on someone is actually an affront to that person in a much more foul and despicable way than touchdown celebrations, though. Obviously.
And don't condescend me, little man. I've already disposed of you once today.
You're one of those Internet tough guys, huh? You must feel real big and strong.
I agree with you. Touchdown celebrations are obviously less foul than spitting in someone's face. However, I don't see that being a poor sport is reason to rejoice at a person's murder.
at least you don't tolerate spitting, i'm relieved to know YOU don't TOLERATE that.
whew...
<<chokes baby>>
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2007, 04:53:43 PM
I've already disposed of you once today.
wow
WU tang
WU tang
WU tang
I'm so tough! Yay!
Look how big and strong I am! My word play makes you all think I'm a tough guy, and that's what I want you to think!
I wouldnt farg with ya <<shivering>>
<<jerking off to my own awesome internet powers>>
<<jerking off to that image>>
<<killing any possible somewhat humorous post by constantly putting these stupid farging carrots around what I say>>
<<giving Dillen an internet hug>>
don't worry Dillen, you never had a chance to post something somewhat humorous
WU TANG?
he meant PU TANG
just plain Tang
<<fart>>
Thread of the year?
I just kick a baby. I called him "Sean".
I wish Sean Taylor would get shot and killed every week..it makes my post-work :CF reading a hundred times better.
I love you guys with all my little black heart.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 28, 2007, 07:13:42 PM
I love you guys with all my little black heart.
Don't even try to sell that bridge. Everyone here knows you are incapable of love. Lust, absolutely, just ask Chuggie. Not so much with the love bit however.
BTW, I just did a search for an "RIP Darrent Williams" thread on ES. No luck. Shocker of the week, that one.
We're all about compassion here at :CF.
LOL This thread was 3 pages long at this time yesterday... you fargers need a hobby.
Or some guns.
Quote from: PPinDC on November 28, 2007, 07:57:58 PM
BTW, I just did a search for an "RIP Darrent Williams" thread on ES. No luck. Shocker of the week, that one.
Ain't it though? I went looking and couldn't find shtein yesterday either. Bunch of farging hypocrites over there.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378
Interesting take from Samari Rolle on Taylor's death.
I get the feeling he is on the right track. It's a shame that Taylor died for trying to turn his life around, but he knew what he was getting into when he went into the thug life to begin with. And again, the only way you come out of there is in a bodybag.
Quote from: TexasEagle on November 28, 2007, 09:24:33 PM
LOL This thread was 3 pages long at this time yesterday... you fargers need a hobby.
Or some guns.
More corkshots are not the answer. Okay maybe they are. I don't know.
Quote from: TexasEagle on November 28, 2007, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on November 28, 2007, 07:57:58 PM
BTW, I just did a search for an "RIP Darrent Williams" thread on ES. No luck. Shocker of the week, that one.
Ain't it though? I went looking and couldn't find shtein yesterday either. Bunch of farging hypocrites over there.
I don't think we have one either.
Quote from: MDS on November 29, 2007, 01:30:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378
Interesting take from Samari Rolle on Taylor's death.
QuoteHe added he did not believe the killing was part of a burglary gone sour, and that Taylor had many enemies on the streets of Miami.
"This was not the first incident," Rolle said. "They've been targeting him for three years now."
This guy was a farging moron. Multi-millionaire, being hunted for 3 years and the stupid farg doesn't have the sense to move away? He's lucky he didn't get his wife and kid killed while he was at it.
Quote from: MDS on November 29, 2007, 01:30:20 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3132378
Interesting take from Samari Rolle on Taylor's death.
Clearly this is from Antrel Rolle, not Samari.
Clearly. Samari is too busy convulsing to string together that many words.
Here's an interesting tidbit: Taylor's g/f Jackie Garcia is actor Andy Garcia's niece
Another ridiculous sigpic:
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/NyJets860/SeanTaylorFinished.jpg)
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 29, 2007, 07:55:00 AM
Here's an interesting tidbit: Taylor's g/f Jackie Garcia is actor Andy Garcia's niece
Another ridiculous sigpic:
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w178/NyJets860/SeanTaylorFinished.jpg)
but that isnt even sean taylor. or am i missing the point?
ha, you're right. I missed that detail. I was referring more to the angelic aspect.
That's him. The pic is from his 1st year in the league where he wore #36. He switched to #21 after that.
(http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/07/21/PH2005072102117.jpg)
This: (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442?MSNHPHCP>1=10637)
QuoteAccording to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.
The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.
The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
I'm sure VIGY will be along to call this guy an Uncle Tom, and the irony will make my brain hurt badly.
QuoteThere's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.
The one's that say they are selling out are the one's that will be in jail or dead at 30--or in Taylors case 24. This paragraph is farging sad
Quote from: Cerevant on November 29, 2007, 01:05:54 PM
This: (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442?MSNHPHCP>1=10637)
QuoteAccording to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.
The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.
The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
I'm sure VIGY will be along to call this guy an Uncle Tom, and the irony will make my brain hurt badly.
he makes a lot of good points...however the main focus should be on instutional racism that keeps young black people poor uneducated and trapped in the inner cities of america with little means of escape "you either slingin crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot"...so while i agree with much of what he says calling them the black kkk is stupidity...as is completely overlooking the real problem
Is it instutional racism, or the effect of people who refuse to "speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man"?
Cerevant, your going to cause a hail storm in about 5 seconds
Quote from: Cerevant on November 29, 2007, 01:20:02 PM
Is it instutional racism, or the effect of people who refuse to "speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man"?
Its a mix of both
We had this debate last semester in my Juvenile Justice class. One of the black guys in my class mentored teens in Camden and agreed
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 29, 2007, 01:21:44 PM
Quote from: Cerevant on November 29, 2007, 01:20:02 PM
Is it instutional racism, or the effect of people who refuse to "speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man"?
Its a mix of both
We had this debate last semester in my Juvenile Justice class. One of the black guys in my class mentored teens in Camden and agreed
That's exactly right. It's a combination of both. But don't expect bleeding hearts or right-ists to see it that way. It's always extremes...
Quote from: Cerevant on November 29, 2007, 01:20:02 PM
Is it instutional racism, or the effect of people who refuse to "speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man"?
yeah minorities wanna be dumb and poor and the rest of us want a good education and make an honest living
please dont talk about stuff that you cant relate too and dont know about...if you and millions of people like you grew up in the soundview homes in the south bronx im pretty sure you wouldnt have turned out to be the glowing spectacle of human youre today...at least your odds would have been infintely less
its a mix of both only in that some minorities do make it out of the ghetto....but theres a reason that murder is the number one cause of death of young black men and its not because they are black
theres the same amount of bad minorites as there is bad white people...and theres the same amount of good minorities as white people....the rest are shaped by their enviroment and opportunity....if blacks as a whole traded their standing in society with whites everything else would switch with it
I'm not sure what you're point is. Are you saying that if white people were poor, uneducated and historically discriminated against they'd be in the same spot that black folks are in now? That seems exceedingly obvious.
scratched my temple on that last statement as well.
carry on
I think the point that SD and others are trying to make is that although the problem can be traced back to institutional racism, breaking out of that rut cannot be done unless this 'Black KKK' problem improves too. Race has steadily become less and less of an issue as time goes on. It's not perfect but its moving in the right direction. That isn't enough though. The other half of the equation is that this culture of 'keeping it real' being a priority needs to go away, otherwise there will be no end to the problem.
my point is that they dont choose to be like that as cervant tried to insinuate...the people that sean taylor grew up with wanted the same things that me or wanted when we were kids...the problem is they have infinitely less opportunity from day they are born to do so because of instutional racism
instead of saying those people dress and speak and act like animals and you knew sean taylor was gonna die because he was a bad person why dont some of you donate some time to an inner city big brother program and try to help another kid not become a sean taylor...or donate money if you dont have the time...theres tons of great organizations that help people that dont have the opportunites me and you had...
that would be much better than talking shtein on an internet mesage board about how you dont give a shtein that someone is dead...and for the record all this is the exact reason sean taylors death was indeed a tragedy as hard as some people tried to point out that it wasnt
Fred Taylor of the Jaguars relayed a story about when he came out of Florida regarding changing his appearance. He had the customary gold grill and dressed like a stereotypical gang-banger before he got drafted. He got some advise from other NFL players about getting his teeth fixed, dressing more professionally, and speaking like a professional young man as opposed to a character in a John Singleton movie.
Anyway, the point of the story is he was mocked and ridiculed by his "homies" as a sell-out because he chose to change his image to something that was more palatable in terms of endorsements and what-not.
I got to thinking that I also changed how I look when I got out of college in order to get a good job and "fit in" more with the people I was working with at the time. Out went the long hair, ratty surf clothes, etc. and in went the polo shirts, loafers & chino's. Was I a sell-out too? Sure, I guess. But the fact is if you want to grow up and be successful in this culture and you're not a Bill Gates or a P. Diddy or a professional athlete, you usually have to conform with what society sees as "normal."
I don't see how black people are any different in that regard than white people or asians or hispanics or any other group would be.
Yeah, I can remember the "senior cut" I got when I was in my last year at college. It was time to get my resume together and look for a job.
Out went the 1980s-style mullet! :D
that's crazy. mullets are all business in the front. party in the back.
all the answers to race relations can be found here:
(http://www.austin360.com/shared-gen/blogs/austin/austinmovies/media/TradingPlaces.jpg)
romey youre taking 1 or 2 nfl players and using them as a broad brush to paint a picture of how everyone should be...these are guys who did make it and got to go to school and see a different world and meet other educated people who were able to guide them and advise them...im talking about the millions and millions of people who dont ever make it
of course you have people like mike tyson who make it out and never better themselves...these are the people the media and a lot of us love to refer to as the norm....when in fact a very small amount of these people keep their old ways...simply because they see there is more out there and they want better for themselves as we all do...the point is regardless of your skin color if given the opportuiny to make your life better the majority of people will do that and thats not a color thing its a human thing...and athletes are the perfect example of this even tho society loves to paint it the other way
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 29, 2007, 01:46:57 PM
Out went the long hair, ratty surf clothes, etc. and in went the polo shirts, loafers & chino's.
braddah, your're killing me. represent cuz! don't give up on our roots rome.
Quoteromey youre taking 1 or 2 nfl players and using them as a broad brush to paint a picture of how everyone should be...these are guys who did make it and got to go to school and see a different world and meet other educated people who were able to guide them and advise them...im talking about the millions and millions of people who dont ever make it
of course you have people like mike tyson who make it out and never better themselves...these are the people the media and a lot of us love to refer to as the norm....when in fact a very small amount of these people keep their old ways...simply because they see there is more out there and they want better for themselves as we all do...the point is regardless of your skin color if given the opportuiny to make your life better the majority of people will do that and thats not a color thing its a human thing...and athletes are the perfect example of this even tho society loves to paint it the other way
I dont know if you got your picture taken with Santa at lunch or got a raise today, but well put.
I still hate you
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 01:38:16 PM
I think the point that SD and others are trying to make is that although the problem can be traced back to institutional racism, breaking out of that rut cannot be done unless this 'Black KKK' problem improves too. Race has steadily become less and less of an issue as time goes on. It's not perfect but its moving in the right direction. That isn't enough though. The other half of the equation is that this culture of 'keeping it real' being a priority needs to go away, otherwise there will be no end to the problem.
Yes
Link (http://lozo.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-youre-into-mourning-deaths-of-people.html)
QuoteIF YOU'RE INTO MOURNING DEATHS OF PEOPLE YOU NEVER KNEW:
Like, say for instance, Sean Taylor, instead of taking time to tell me I'm insensitive for not caring, maybe you should take the time to care about all these other people who died in the past 24 hours that you never met or knew, too: Two civilians in Kabul, a pizza guy in California, six people in Baghdad, this 21-year-old man in Alberta, a 14-year-old girl in Japan, a toddler whose stroller rolled into traffic, a 14-year-old boy killed in a hunting accident in Atlanta, or how about this 31-year-old tree trimmer who died on the job? You don't care about them as much Sean Taylor? But why? Because none of them were athletes or celebrities? Does that make you heartless? You knew them as well as you knew Sean Taylor. Just remember -- if you died on Sunday, Sean Taylor wouldn't have cared for a second. Stop worshipping celebrities and athletes and making their lives more valuable than that of everyone else, because that's what you do when say you really care that one of them has died. Is Taylor's death sad? Sure, for his friends and family, not for the taterskins fan who had an invented bond with the man because he watched him play a game every Sunday. Instead of mourning a stranger's death, why don't you call your spouse and tell them you love them. Idiot.
Quote from: Don Ho on November 29, 2007, 02:16:32 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 29, 2007, 01:46:57 PM
Out went the long hair, ratty surf clothes, etc. and in went the polo shirts, loafers & chino's.
braddah, your're killing me. represent cuz! don't give up on our roots rome.
I'm wearing Reef sandals & Kahala shorts at the moment, Don. I sold out years ago but now that I own my own business I can dress however the farg I want.
Quote from: SunMo on November 29, 2007, 02:05:05 PM
all the answers to race relations can be found here:
(http://www.austin360.com/shared-gen/blogs/austin/austinmovies/media/TradingPlaces.jpg)
This man is a genius
Trading Places was comedic genius even if Eddie Murphy sucked as a standup comic.
;D
I'm listening to the 8 Diagrams new Wu cd. The song "Stick Me For My Riches" might be fitting for this story
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 29, 2007, 02:41:05 PM
Link (http://lozo.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-youre-into-mourning-deaths-of-people.html)
QuoteIF YOU'RE INTO MOURNING DEATHS OF PEOPLE YOU NEVER KNEW:
Like, say for instance, Sean Taylor, instead of taking time to tell me I'm insensitive for not caring, maybe you should take the time to care about all these other people who died in the past 24 hours that you never met or knew, too: Two civilians in Kabul, a pizza guy in California, six people in Baghdad, this 21-year-old man in Alberta, a 14-year-old girl in Japan, a toddler whose stroller rolled into traffic, a 14-year-old boy killed in a hunting accident in Atlanta, or how about this 31-year-old tree trimmer who died on the job? You don't care about them as much Sean Taylor? But why? Because none of them were athletes or celebrities? Does that make you heartless? You knew them as well as you knew Sean Taylor. Just remember -- if you died on Sunday, Sean Taylor wouldn't have cared for a second. Stop worshipping celebrities and athletes and making their lives more valuable than that of everyone else, because that's what you do when say you really care that one of them has died. Is Taylor's death sad? Sure, for his friends and family, not for the taterskins fan who had an invented bond with the man because he watched him play a game every Sunday. Instead of mourning a stranger's death, why don't you call your spouse and tell them you love them. Idiot.
absolutely assinine red herring argument
just like all of us would care more about jerome brown than sean taylor a taterskin fan is going to care more about sean taylor than pete smith in idaho...the argument that every death should mean the same to every person is as dumb as it gets
people like dio who dont care about anyone make more sense than that
Dude, Pete Smith died? That's farged up.....
I'm getting a little choked up about it myself.
good ol' Pete Smith
never forget that one day...
Pete Smith died? Good Riddance you piece of shtein.
Quote from: SunMo on November 29, 2007, 04:15:40 PM
good ol' Pete Smith
never forget that one day...
at band camp when....
Quote from: hbionic on November 29, 2007, 04:19:20 PM
Pete Smith died? Good Riddance you piece of shtein.
haha...
Quote from: SunMo on November 29, 2007, 04:15:40 PM
good ol' Pete Smith
never forget that one day...
I've been crying ever since I heard the news. If anyone wants, they can text me at 215-555-0421 with words of encouragement.
Anyone know when the candlelight vigil is?
ghetto dwellers got to step up. tired of hearing excuses why they can't. opportunities better now than they've ever been, and still they shtein where they eat. for sure, government and society could and should do more. but I'm not a racist to say it's time stillupfront's moms start to pick up after themselves and show up to school and work.
I know where to go to find a gang of mexicans who are willing to bust they ass all day long for work. They don't get paid much, but they willing to do it. Not a single place in town you can go find black american ghetto dwellers who will work. At the end of the day, the impoverished mexican guy got 50 bucks in his pocket and stayed out of trouble. at the end of a couple years doing it, he's foreman of a landscaping crew. at the end of ten years, he's got his own company. at the end of 25 years, his kids are in college.
just saying
and yeah yeah, vigy I know I'm a racist. so are you anklebiter
its not the black folk that live in rural georgia that we are talking about...go into an inner city latino neighborhood and you got the same problems as opposed to latinos that live in the valleys of central california and pick lettuce
im talking about the millions trapped in the inner cities of the us who cant even walk to school without worrying about getting killed and who cant find jobs and are harrassed by the cops five times a day and live above open air drug markets...and have nothing to turn too...
the bad parents you speak of learn from their own bad parents and so on...its a vicious cycle and its the way the white power structure wants it
personal repsonsibility is a part of it...and bad parenting is of course an issue...but this problem is way bigger than that...its a basic human rights thing...you think a kid in west baltimore has the same chance as a black kid in columbia?....all people are not created equal...
i know its impossible for their to be a level playing field for everyone but can we at least raise the bottom level up so they have a semi fair chance
Oh, agreed. Raising the bottom level is completely possible, and necessary.
I know who you're talking about. Basically, you're talking about entrenched American urban poverty. Which is mostly black, except for a few pockets of latinos. Even so, I can tell you for a fact that the urban latinos in bodymore work their asses off by comparison. Go to Broadway at Lombard any morning and there they are, waiting for and grateful for work. And they bust ass when they get it. The guys I worked with just yesterday on a landscaping job are going to do great for themselves simply by showing up and working...that's how you get it done. And you don't have to be born in El Salvador to know that.
I hear a lot of rhetoric about what the government has to do, but I don't hear much from the same peopel about what people have to do. So-called liberals can't be heard to suggest that urban poor take it upon themselves to pick up after themselves. Don't shtein on your own stoop. I don't hear a lot of people suggesting they get up off their welfair funded couch and go to school, or work. The people who suggest things like that are characterized as out of touch or racist, and that's bullshtein. Liberals need to wise up and preach both sides if they're going to be relevent.
My aunt ran a very large urban soup kitchen for years, a halfway house rehab kind of thing, etc. She's black (yeah, I have a black family member), urban born and raised, liberal as they come. She doesn't do much talking about all the political stuff, all the disadvantages. Not to me and not to the people she works with. She talks showing up. Go to school, go to work. Go to court when you have a court date. Etc.
If you get off the pundit tip and talk to people who are actually working with poverty you find that they too are talking the responsibility tip.
But we don't hear that..we hear Bill O'Reilly wanking off about personal responsibility in derisive rhetoric, and douchebags claiming the poor should be fed and housed simply for being born.
I'm pretty tired of all that shtein.
this is what we're talking about in my african american history class. some kid suggested that inner cities should focus more on getting kids union jobs, which then some took as a black people dont need college, and so on and so forth.
I would also like to say that there are a lot of people who appear to have been born with every privelage, but were not. I'm looking pretty good myself right now..middle class, college educated white american male.
When I was 4 my brother was 3 my sister 2, my mother was single, left by my father...on welfare. Feeding us oatmeal three times a day. I never saw a new piece of clothing until I was in 6th grade..we shopped at salvation army and wore handmedowns from friends. We lived in a shack of a house that had standing water in the basement 1/5 of the year, raw sewage seeping into the back yard through the hurricane damaged leech field, and insufficient electricity to run a drier...my whole life I wore clothes hung outside or in the winter, in the musty basement. When my mother moved out of the house--after we had all departed for college--no one moved in. It has stood vacant and deterioriating ever since. We moved into it for the school system, knowing that the landlord would do nothing to fix it and we had better not complain because they'd rather sell it.
I got where I am by a fair measure of luck, I'll grant that. I was born white american male afterall, and I've had good health. But to look at our family today you'd think we always lived in nice Victorian New England homes and everyone shopped at GAP. My brother and sister and I are the first generation through both sides of our family to all complete 4 year degrees. There was a lot of hard work and zesty days and unhappy times. But rather than litter our own front yard and wait for/demand that someone save us, we showed up and did evertything we could.
A hell of a lot of people in similar positions don't do that. And a hell of a lot of people who did do it are pretty deeply offended to be looked upon as privelaged or racist/classist for the success they have. Others were surely less lucky than me, but I didn't get here by accident. When I suggest that people show up and take it upon themselves to do something for themselves, I speak with some authority borne from experience.
wow Dio, quite amazed by that, not that you give a shtein what i think
Amazed that I was poor, or that I'm not spewing bleeding heart liberal tripe?
Don't get me wrong, I'm 80% with vigy on this. I did have privelages the people he's talking about don't have. But I don't think poverty relieves you of the responsiblility to take care of yourself and your own, to clean your stoop, to show up to school and work, etc.
Yep, definitely agree with take care of yourself and get some work ethic. I've worked in the landscaping business back when i was 15-21 for my uncle. As you said, the latin workers were always on a different level of wanting work. Given that its not exactly the most fun work to get excited about(digging trenches for Irrigation) but i had the chance to work with some interesting people.
Lots of good points made here.
To kind of get back at the point that I think was initially trying to be made, there is a severe problem among people, not just minorities but people in general when it comes to sucessful people. We've all heard the cliche, when you're standing at the top of the mountain, everyone is trying to knock you off. And that's pretty much the case here with Sean Taylor.
His "friends" wanted to ride his coat tails through life and the only way for them to do that was for Taylor to remain "one of them." Because the minute he decides that he doesn't want that lifestyle, they're left back on the block with no future. It seems like Taylor recognized this and decided to separate himself from that crowd. Good for him but too little, too late.
The whole "keeping it real" problem doesn't just affect minorities though. I guarantee you that Jeremy Shockey had to cut ties with his po' white trash friends as well. The only difference is that I'm pretty sure he did it well before he got his first NFL contract.
People from every race say the same thing when one of their friends is headed for fame, glory and multi-million dollar contracts. "Don't forget about me."
The only difference is that for whatever reason, minorities seem to be hell bent on "representing" the little ghetto they came from where as it seems that a white athlete would just as soon move on and forget it. Maybe I'm way off on this one but that's just my perception.
Dio's childhood sounds eerily similar to my dad's. Worked his way out, blah blah blah. No one cares. What's interesting to me is that Dio turned into a liberal and my pops turned into a raving republican lunatic. I wonder where the paths diverge. Of course the plus side of having an uber conservative dad is that he gives me all of the free venison I can handle. And meat snacks are delicious.
I could go for a venison and bacon sammich right about now.
Do you get venison jerky?
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 07:01:39 PM
What's interesting to me is that Dio turned into a liberal and my pops turned into a raving republican lunatic. I wonder where the paths diverge.
Simple really. Jesus helped your dad but not Dio.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 29, 2007, 07:05:00 PM
Do you get venison jerky?
Dude, not as much of it as I want. That shtein is the shtein. I could live on venison jerky alone.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 29, 2007, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 07:01:39 PM
What's interesting to me is that Dio turned into a liberal and my pops turned into a raving republican lunatic. I wonder where the paths diverge.
Simple really. Jesus helped your dad but not Dio.
On the contrary, jesus and my dad don't really like each other too much. I think the son of god is biased against bald people.
I was supposed to go hunting to start the deer season, but with a farged up shoulder, i'm not exactly able to handle a 12 gauge. All i wanted was Venison burgers/chili/ and Jerkey.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 07:09:20 PMI could live on venison jerky alone.
This is why I ask. It delicious.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 29, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
I was supposed to go hunting to start the deer season, but with a farged up shoulder, i'm not exactly able to handle a 12 gauge. All i wanted was Venison burgers/chili/ and Jerkey.
it only takes 1 arm to operate a 12 gauge. get your ass out there nancy!
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 07:12:58 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 29, 2007, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2007, 07:01:39 PM
What's interesting to me is that Dio turned into a liberal and my pops turned into a raving republican lunatic. I wonder where the paths diverge.
Simple really. Jesus helped your dad but not Dio.
On the contrary, jesus and my dad don't really like each other too much. I think the son of god is biased against bald people.
A republican who doesn't like jesus? I didn't know they made them yet.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 29, 2007, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 29, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
I was supposed to go hunting to start the deer season, but with a farged up shoulder, i'm not exactly able to handle a 12 gauge. All i wanted was Venison burgers/chili/ and Jerkey.
it only takes 1 arm to operate a 12 gauge. get your ass out there nancy!
I'm right handed, right shot, right dislocation. It sucks, but hopefully the guys i was going with will spare me some for my freezer
poor people are awful. die.
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 29, 2007, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 29, 2007, 07:16:34 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 29, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
I was supposed to go hunting to start the deer season, but with a farged up shoulder, i'm not exactly able to handle a 12 gauge. All i wanted was Venison burgers/chili/ and Jerkey.
it only takes 1 arm to operate a 12 gauge. get your ass out there nancy!
I'm right handed, right shot, right dislocation. It sucks, but hopefully the guys i was going with will spare me some for my freezer
sounds like the perfect opportunity for you to work on shooting with your offhand.
QuoteI write this in tears. Not simply for Sean Taylor, or for his loved ones, or for myself, or for this team. I grieve for all of us. Most of all, I grieve for our future.
I grieve for Sean's daughter Jackie, who will never know her father. I grieve for Gregg Williams, who lost his son and foundation for all hope. I grieve for Joe Gibbs. I grieve for all of us with the misfortune to be taterskins.
Sean Taylor was the last of the taterskins. In time you will know what I mean.
All of us will grieve in our own ways. But if you ever suffered loss of this magnitude, you know in your heart of hearts where this is headed.
This cannot be undone, prettied up, glorified or denied. It is senseless tragedy, taking the best of us from us, in the prime of life, ripping hope from us. What good are the memories of heroes when God smites our heroes down in front of our eyes?
This place we call our home is cursed, and we are the enemies of God.
It is survival to go on. To find something else, some other challenge in life, in another place. A place not stained for all time with the memory of losing Sean Taylor.
All true taterskins are dead already. Those who take up the flag, I salute you. This land will be tumbleweed someday. But you, you and I, we still want to believe.
So go ahead, good man. Take up that flag. Take the flag from where Sean has fallen, take the flag from his hands. Take the flag and fight on. Is there any other choice?
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more,
Or close the wall up with taterskins dead.
Farewell, Sean Taylor. You were the last great hero, the last of taterskins.
Wherever you are, that's where we're headed.
Can't we have retroactive abortions for people like this?
Wow. Just wow.
That one's gotta be a goof. Even twelve year-old redneck Skins fans can't be that stupid, right?
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j91/TurnTheTables/sean.jpg)
I wonder what Sean is thinking.
Probably some Capitol Hill law maker.
But he does make a good point, that thing about the place they call home is cursed. As for the rest of the nervous breakdown, I think there are still some rare but valid indications for electroshock therapy. :boom
Thank you Extreme Skins (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224362)
Sean Taylor's Spiritual Condition (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224909)
Sean Taylor memorial sweatshirt
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I love how it says 'Friend'
The warrior part is my fave. Can't stand that moniker as used in reference to a goddamned sport.
Incidentally, this story should be a good lesson to anyone with a house they don't want people getting into. Dogs. Two big dogs. Get two big dogs. Rotts, dobermans, german shepherds, whatever. Best anti invasion device you can have. And also, of course, a shotgun. I gather that the deceased had some trouble with guns, so maybe he wasn't allowed to have one. But most of us don't have thug life convictions preventing such a thing.
Dogs and shotguns.
great piece in todays wash post op ed....enlighten yourselves
A Person, Not A Plot Device
By Eugene Robinson
Friday, November 30, 2007; A23
Why do you suppose so many people were so quick to blame Sean Taylor for his own murder?
Relax, that's a rhetorical question. There's no need for self-exculpatory huffing and puffing, no need to point out that the verdict of suicide-by-bad-attitude -- pronounced so often this week, and so coldly -- was usually couched in broad hints or softened by the nebulous fog of the conditional mood. Everyone knew what was really being said, and everyone knew why.
Taylor instantly became not a person but a character, one whose purpose was to advance a narrative about young black men and their manifold failings.
Taylor, a gifted defensive back for the Washington taterskins, had been in trouble with the law. Despite the millions he earned playing football, he never managed to escape the quicksand lure of the mean streets -- parasitic friends, envious haters, a culture of casual violence. It was his decision to swim in this cesspool of dysfunction, the narrative said. And, like so many other young black men who have made the same wrong choice, he paid for it with his life.
At least that was the story before Wednesday, when Robert Parker, director of the Miami-Dade police, announced that investigators had "no reason" to believe Taylor was targeted by his killer or even knew the man who shot him. Police were operating on the theory that the crime was a botched burglary, Parker said, essentially a random act.
I realize that Parker may eventually be proved wrong. But what fascinates me is how eager people were to believe the worst about Taylor -- how ready to stuff a young man's death into a box labeled "pathology" and call it a day -- in the absence of supporting evidence. Apparently, "innocent until proved guilty" doesn't apply to young black men even when they're the victims of violent crime.
The few facts we have tell a story that's very different from the chosen narrative. Sean Taylor is hardly a typical product of those fabled "mean streets" -- he grew up with his father, a suburban police chief, in a middle-class neighborhood. He did spend weekends with his mother in a tougher area and acquired some sketchy friends. But at the same time he was attending an exclusive private high school, where he met his girlfriend, Jackie Garcia, a niece of the actor Andy Garcia.
Taylor's home, with its expansive yard and big swimming pool, is in an upper-middle-class suburb. There's nothing remotely "mean" about the street.
Jackie Garcia hid under the covers with the couple's 18-month-old daughter early Monday while Taylor faced the intruder who mortally wounded him. Andy Garcia released a statement Wednesday praising Taylor for his "heroic" sacrifice that saved Jackie's life.
Much has been made of the fact that Taylor grabbed a machete from under his bed before confronting the intruder. In New York or St. Louis or Seattle, if you saw a machete, you'd think: deadly weapon. But I spent years covering Latin America for The Post, so when I see a machete in a place like Miami I'm more likely to think: garden implement. Tropical vegetation is a lot easier to trim with a machete than with hedge clippers, and Taylor's father said Sean used the blade in his yard. No, machetes are not usually kept under the bed. But if my house had been broken into recently -- as Taylor's was, barely a week before his slaying -- I might have wanted the thing a little closer to hand.
My purpose here isn't to make a hero out of Sean Taylor, though he may well have died a hero's death. He made some serious mistakes in his life, and he didn't always have the proper regard for authority and discipline. Nor am I trying to sell the "he was finally turning his life around" narrative, as if taking a few GPS readings were enough to show someone the way to responsible manhood.
Life isn't so linear -- and people aren't so one-dimensional.
The next time you encounter a young black man like Sean Taylor -- a man who can be headstrong and rebellious, who listens to rap music and sometimes wears his hair in a wild-man 'fro that's meant to intimidate, who scowls when we want him to smile and makes a bad mistake or two and doesn't choose the friends we would want him to choose -- know that there is possibility within him, and contradiction, and the capacity for love. Know that he's more than a plot device.
That is absolutely anything but enlightening.
He brings nothing new to the table in his rhetoric. He's simply better at writing it than the people at ES.
well youre beyond any help...but perhaps it will cause some people to rethink their thought processes in certain times...
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on November 29, 2007, 07:14:53 PM
I was supposed to go hunting to start the deer season, but with a farged up shoulder, i'm not exactly able to handle a 12 gauge. All i wanted was Venison burgers/chili/ and Jerkey.
You hunt deer with a shotgun?
WTF?
Lots of people hunt deer with shotguns. In Michigan it's actually illegal to hunt with a Rifle. You have to get awful close to the fargers, but it's still a viable option.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 08:27:59 AM
well youre beyond any help...but perhaps it will cause some people to rethink their thought processes in certain times...
No, sir. You are obviously the pigheaded racist beyond any help.
Sean Taylor wasn't a victim of the socioeconomic/racial divide. He was a winner - one of the lucky ones. He took the road through prep school into a major college program. He was drafted #5 and was making millions and millions of dollars. He had a long-time girl and a baby, which he loved.
Unfortunately for him, he was also a dimwit. He put himself and his family in jeopardy by not taking the proper precautions to protect his house after a break-in. Forget any of his other run-ins with the law or on-field lack of sportsmanship. He made a fatal mistake.
I mean... seriously... The guy spends a whole paragraph justifying the machete under Taylor's bed. That should have been clue enough to anyone that it's a fluff piece written by a master of rhetoric.
If he was feeling threatened for 3 years, as Antrel Rolle suggested, by the assclowns he used to hang with, move. Is this really hard? He had the dough, he could live anywhere. Just get out.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 08:35:29 AM
Lots of people hunt deer with shotguns. In Michigan it's actually illegal to hunt with a Rifle. You have to get awful close to the fargers, but it's still a viable option.
It's illegal to hunt them with rifles in New Jersey too. That's one of the reasons we used to go to Central Pennsylvania to hunt.
Anyway - back to the racial taunting...
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 30, 2007, 08:38:57 AM
No, sir. You are obviously the pigheaded racist beyond any help.
Unfortunately for him, he was also a dimwit.
Quote
There's no need for self-exculpatory huffing and puffing
again it wasnt meant for people like you...you are what you are...
it wasnt even meant for any one person to come and be like "hmmm those are some good points and perhaps ill try and open my mind and heart a little bit more next time"...people on the internet dont do that...they much prefer to yell out loud about how much they dont care about anything
really it wasnt meant to be commented on at all...read it and either spit on it or perhaps learn something from it and if one person does the latter then its a good thing
It's overwrought hyperbolic claptrap.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 30, 2007, 08:41:22 AM
If he was feeling threatened for 3 years, as Antrel Rolle suggested, by the assclowns he used to hang with, move. Is this really hard? He had the dough, he could live anywhere. Just get out.
antrell rolle grew up with him but hadnt talked to him in several years so im not sure why you woudl take his word as gospel...not saying hes wrong but his family and freinds have very different things to say...at this point it sounds like no one has much of any idea of what happened
this is a good write up detailing both sides of the robbery vs pre meditated murder theories
i lean strongly towards robbery gone bad but who knows at this point...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/29/AR2007112901648.html
The points made in that op-ed piece are just stating the obvious. 'Nothing is black and white.' 'There are always variables, unknowns, etc etc.' That's the case in everything that happens everywhere. Are we supposed to stop casting our own judgments because of it?
People choose to use that universal truth in whatever way they want. Some say he put himself in a position where the variables were more dangerous than most. Others use it to say that we can't blame him in any way because there are too many variables to point a finger at him. Others will use it in other ways. To post it as some sort of eye-opening point of view is a little ridiculous.
What he should have done was set up some Home Alone style nonlethal, yet incredibly amusing traps set up to deter criminals and Joe Pesci. Or, he could have taken the George Carlin approach and prayed to Joe Pesci.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
Are we supposed to stop casting our own judgments because of it?
if your judgements are rushed....tinged with racism...said while pounding your chest....or are just plain ignorant then yes you should stop
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 30, 2007, 08:52:42 AM
It's overwrought hyperbolic claptrap.
IGY's bread and "butta"
eugene robinson is one of the most respected and best op ed writers in the country...do you have to agree with him definitely not...but to attack his piece as hyperbole and claptrap shows that he hit a nerve and perhaps some self evaluation is going on here and thats a good thing
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 09:00:28 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 08:55:52 AM
Are we supposed to stop casting our own judgments because of it?
if your judgements are rushed....tinged with racism...said while pounding your chest....or are just plain ignorant then yes you should stop
WHITE LINEBACKERS...WHAT?
first of all its white OUTSIDE linebackers that suck...but that doesnt mean you rate them as such without seeing them play.....because somewhere out there there is a good one or two...but overall they are kinda like black field goal kickers
Article made some good points about how fast people are to make assumptions, but the writer comes off sounding like he's just trying to make excuses when he gets to the paragraph about the machete.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 09:12:00 AM
eugene robinson is one of the most respected and best op ed writers in the country...do you have to agree with him definitely not...but to attack his piece as hyperbole and claptrap shows that he hit a nerve and perhaps some self evaluation is going on here and thats a good thing
LOL
Could you be more condescending?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 30, 2007, 09:59:21 AM
Article made some good points about how fast people are to make assumptions, but the writer comes off sounding like he's just trying to make excuses when he gets to the paragraph about the machete.
Christ. The machete thing is getting blown out of proportion anyway. Its irrelevant to him being a targeted victim. Alot of people have weapons under the mattress, under the bed, in the closet whatever for protection. So, because his was bigger than the avg Emeril steak knife, theres reason to believe theres more to the story?
Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 30, 2007, 09:59:21 AM
Article made some good points about how fast people are to make assumptions, but the writer comes off sounding like he's just trying to make excuses when he gets to the paragraph about the machete.
well measured honest response
i agree with cole about the machete tho...im not even sure machete is the proper term for what it was....but even so whats the big deal...he had a weapon in his own bedroom to protect himself...i mean if he had had a gun would that have been different?
3 people detained
http://www.miamiherald.com/1246/story/326903.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/1246/story/326903.html)
David Aldridge, one of the best I've seen so far...
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/david_aldridge/20071129_David_Aldridge_____Time_to_stop_all_the_dying.html (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/david_aldridge/20071129_David_Aldridge_____Time_to_stop_all_the_dying.html)
Great article. Obviously I'm quoting the part I most agree with, but the reason this article is so good is because it present both sides passionately and ties them together:
QuoteI'm angry that people cry about Sean Taylor's death because he was an outstanding football player, as if his death has extra meaning because he had great closing speed. This is not about sports.
We have buried 200 Sean Taylors in this city this year. We don't know what would have come of their dreams and hopes. They deserve our tears, too, for they may have been anonymous to you, but they weren't to their mothers and fathers, their best friends and lovers, their teachers and mentors.
I'm angry that, as of 2004, according to the Centers for Disease Control, homicide is the No. 1 cause of death among black men ages of 15 to 34. I'm angry that the Justice Policy Institute found more black men in prison than in college.
I'm angry that young brothers who like school and want to learn are accused of "acting white," and have to make the awful choice of sticking with their education or sticking with their boys. It happened to me when I was 5. I've never gotten over it. How does one mend a heart broken by those who look most like him?
I'm tired of nodding in agreement as I did yesterday when Brian Westbrook talked about how he has to be extra careful these days, because he knows that, all-pro or not, he's a target when he steps off the field, and his celebrity provides no shield.
"I feel as though everybody's vulnerable, to a certain extent," he said. "You have to watch the company that you keep. You have to watch the situations that you put yourself in. . . . You can't put yourself in a situation where your friends are doing dirt or bad things, and then you hang around those people. 'Cause at some point, karma catches up with you."
Absolutely terrible headline, though. Stop all the dying!
That's a Pulitzer Prize caliber column right there. Seriously.
yeah i read that yesterday and again its all true but it glosses over the main problem and that is the squalor that a huge % of blacks have to live in
these kids didnt go to murder sean taylor they went to steal
everybody gotta eat
in only a few small cases do people murder just to murder...and its these cases where i have no sympathy for the killer...if someone accidentily bumps into you or looks at your girl and you kill them thats one thing...but for the most part these violent crimes take place because these people have neither money or hope
in the end its not enough to say lift yourselves up this has to stop...it doesnt work that way...you think someone living in a rat infested home with no money to eat and limited to no job opportunities who wasnt given a fair chance at an education cares about a let rise up brothers call....rise up and do what?...its a neat and correct idea but its lacks logic and realism
Quote from: FastFreddie on November 30, 2007, 08:38:57 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 08:27:59 AM
well youre beyond any help...but perhaps it will cause some people to rethink their thought processes in certain times...
No, sir. You are obviously the pigheaded racist beyond any help.
Sean Taylor wasn't a victim of the socioeconomic/racial divide. He was a winner - one of the lucky ones. He took the road through prep school into a major college program. He was drafted #5 and was making millions and millions of dollars. He had a long-time girl and a baby, which he loved.
Unfortunately for him, he was also a dimwit. He put himself and his family in jeopardy by not taking the proper precautions to protect his house after a break-in. Forget any of his other run-ins with the law or on-field lack of sportsmanship. He made a fatal mistake.
I mean... seriously... The guy spends a whole paragraph justifying the machete under Taylor's bed. That should have been clue enough to anyone that it's a fluff piece written by a master of rhetoric.
In summary:
Sean Taylor: When keeping it real goes wrong.
As for the part I bolded, I was talking to my buddy who is a skins fan and brought up that exact point... how his inaction put his family in danger. His response, a sarcastic "Yeah, he definatly deserved to die". I slammed my head on the desk pretty hard after that.
i slam my head into my desk when people go looking to blame a guy who just died for not protecting his family...why even go there...i dont see any reason to do it period but cant you at least wait till hes in the ground before trying to disparage him
why is it even a discussion?
"you stupid dead guy what were you thinking"...why not instead say "damn i wish he had a gun in there or had turned on his alarm and hed still be alive...instead its "what farging idiot he put his damn family in danger"
why?
i agree with this. if he has a gun people call him a thug. if he doesn't than he's not doing enough. there's no point in arguing about it.
There's a difference between brandishing a gun to resolve a dispute about a car and keeping one in your bedroom to protect your family.
EDIT: Sean Taylor was on probation, so owning a gun was not an option. Understood. My point remains the same outside of this discussion. Owning a gun does not make one a thug. What you do with that gun is the determining factor.As far as this goes...
Quotein the end its not enough to say lift yourselves up this has to stop...it doesnt work that way...you think someone living in a rat infested home with no money to eat and limited to no job opportunities who wasnt given a fair chance at an education cares about a let rise up brothers call....rise up and do what?...its a neat and correct idea but its lacks logic and realism
You're effectively removing ALL blame from the people who commit these crimes and removing all blame for anything that comes from making poor decisions. And no matter how much you huff and puff and about it, you'll never convince me that that is a valid way of looking at things.
Refusing to assign blame and responsibility for people's actions is absolutely ridiculous and shows a detachment from reality that is hard to fathom.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 30, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
i agree with this. if he has a gun people call him a thug. if he doesn't than he's not doing enough. there's no point in arguing about it.
right not just that but has anyone thought that perhaps he didnt have a gun cause it would have violated his probation...in which case he was making an honest effort to turn his life around...
personally if my house gets robbed a week before and i have general concerns for my safety im not having a gun in there...at the same time im not gonna go around and scream at how taylor is a dumg farging thug who put his families life on the line...like you say is he a thug or is he not?...shtein andy garcia released a statement calling taylor a hero for protecting his niece...thats good enough for me
altho we could start ripping taylors girlfriend for being in a house without a gun and an alarm turned on...how she wasnt protecting her child...stupid bitch
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 02:05:13 PM
You're effectively removing ALL blame from the people who commit these crimes and removing all blame for anything that comes from making poor decisions. And no matter how much you huff and puff and about it, you'll never convince me that that is a valid way of looking at things.
Refusing to assign blame and responsibility for people's actions is absolutely ridiculous and shows a detachment from reality that is hard to fathom.
i blame anyone who kills or hurts another person...im just sick and tired of wealthy people sitting at their laptops sipping a brandy telling all these other people what to do...as if david aldridge has any idea what its like to live in the ghetto...i want to fix all the killing and make a better life for the bottom run of society not run around blaming them...
show me an individual crime and sure ill blame someone...the punk who killed st should go to jail for a long time...but as i said this is all much bigger than that
i would kill all of you for a snifter of brandy right now.
i think i hate brandy
unless GM is brandy then i love it
and i def love brandy alexanders
QuoteAs black men, we cannot allow ourselves to be defined by anyone - by the media or by ourselves - and accept the premise that one beginning means only one possible ending.
The truest quote in that article. Yes, there are uncontrollable living situations and other extrinsic motivations involved with poverty stricken neighborhoods. Bottom line is....you have to hold yourself accountable and don't let life around you dictate your future. Whether you believe that or not, its up to that person. If you dont believe (which is the majority), then you live as a product of your own stereotype
Quotein the end its not enough to say lift yourselves up this has to stop...it doesnt work that way...you think someone living in a rat infested home with no money to eat and limited to no job opportunities who wasnt given a fair chance at an education cares about a let rise up brothers call....rise up and do what?
So what would you like gov't to do about this?
rebuild the inner cities
give those people humane living conditions
job opportunites
adequete schooling (including competant teachers)
close the open air drug markets
ect
ect
ect
in other words everything they say they are gonna do in iraq....just do it in brookyln and west phil and se dc and....
The truest quote in that article. Yes, there are uncontrollable living situations and other extrinsic motivations involved with poverty stricken neighborhoods. Bottom line is....you have to hold yourself accountable and don't let life around you dictate your future. Whether you believe that or not, its up to that person. If you dont believe (which is the majority), then you live as a product of your own stereotype
this is of course true but what about all the people that do the right thing (and this is the majority) and still have to live a miserable existence...i dont feel just for the person who feels like he/she has to take the wrong path i feel for the people who do the right thing but still get farged on a daily basis
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 02:37:36 PM
this is of course true but what about all the people that do the right thing (and this is the majority) and still have to live a miserable existence...i dont feel just for the person who feels like he/she has to take the wrong path i feel for the people who do the right thing but still get farged on a daily basis
What, you think that only happens to inner city black people?
are u the majority Munson?
Quote from: phattymatty on November 30, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
i agree with this. if he has a gun people call him a thug. if he doesn't than he's not doing enough. there's no point in arguing about it.
I was thinking more along the lines of, if he has been threatened over the course of a few years, either hiring security or moving away from a bad situation. Buying a knife in a situation where people will probably have guns is not properly protecting your family.
(now, if it turns out that the people that they arrested were in fact the ones that did it and that Rolle's and everyone else who said he was being targeted were wrong and that there was nothing that he could have done to avoid the situation, then I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But as it stands right now, it seems that he could have taken some steps to better protect himself and his family.)
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 02:13:21 PM
i blame anyone who kills or hurts another person...im just sick and tired of wealthy people sitting at their laptops sipping a brandy telling all these other people what to do...
If it helps, I freaking hate brandy.
There was this girl in college named Brandi. I shocked her on the hood of one of my roommates' car. The asscheek prints were still there the next morning.
Relevant.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 03:12:58 PM
There was this girl in college named Brandi. I shocked her on the hood of one of my roommates' car. The asscheek prints were still there the next morning.
Relevant.
Brandi? With an "i"? Really??
I hope you gave her a sperm enema.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 02:13:21 PMi blame anyone who kills or hurts another person...
the gawd Jerome Brown excepted, of course
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 02:37:36 PM
1.rebuild the inner cities.
2. give those people humane living conditions
3. job opportunites
4. adequete schooling (including competant teachers)
5. close the open air drug markets
in other words everything they say they are gonna do in iraq....just do it in brookyln and west phil and se dc and....
I'm on board. instead of wasting money in Iraq, the worst we could do is waste it on our own people here..but I have some questions and comments..
1. What does that mean, rebuild the inner cities? Seriously..what do you see when you think those words? I been to West Baltimore. I've seen pics of Detroit. There is no rebuilding these places. They should be razed. They are as bad as Iraq. You can't rebuild a whole city..or can you? Are you really suggesting that we dump billions into hoods that are completely abandoned and trashed?
2. Give humane living conditions has been done over and over again. Invariably, they trash them. There is nothing inhumane about the projects. They have heat, running water, light, enough space, etc. They aren't the nicest places in the world though. Do you mean "give those people the nicest living conditions?"
3. Job opportunities....say more. what does this mean? Are they willing to dig ditches for ten-twelve bucks an hour? That's fair honest work and at 40 hours a week, you can make a modest living doing it. It's a start, anyway. What are you looking for? Jobs at 50k for people with little to no skills, professional manners, etc? Describe this point some, I'd love to hear what you think.
4. Adequete schooling...an easy thing to do if we can get money. Give teacher big raises to attract talent, put books in schools, etc. But you don't get an adequete education if you allow disobediance and truancy, so you gotta do something about those things, both of which can be addressed only by the home life, or by expulsion. If you're willing to expel the disobedient disruptive and truant, and you can get the money...this one can be done.
5. close the open air drug markets. another relatively easy one. quadruple police patrols in ghettos, and crime will go down. put cops on foot throughout the neighborhoods, and there will be a huge improvement in the security of neighborhoods. Get the cops to enforce the little rules as well as the big ones, and you'll see changes.
etc. Guiliani was right...prosecute grafitti, littering, etc. and the neighborhoods will start to revive themselves. Let everything go to shtein and shtein you'll get. But you can't do that at the cost of policing the big shtein..you gotta invest heavily in well trained well monitored cops and you gotta be in it for the long haul
Grand Marnier is a liqueur. It's made of cognac and the essence of a particular kind of orange, and sugared. Cognac is basically brandy that is made in the cognac region of France. I love GM, and especially the higher marques (100th and 150th anniversary labels). Those are awesome.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 30, 2007, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on November 30, 2007, 03:12:58 PM
There was this girl in college named Brandi. I shocked her on the hood of one of my roommates' car. The asscheek prints were still there the next morning.
Relevant.
Brandi? With an "i"? Really??
I hope you gave her a sperm enema.
Hahahaha.
I did.
1. i agree they should be razed...and rebuilt in a clean safe manner...it happens all the time...i can take you around west baltimore where pj's have been rebuilt into brand new townhomes or duplexes...it amazing what having no rats/roaches running water heat ect can do to a persons outlook
we arent talking about rebuilding a whole city...just the very worst areas...and even at that you wouldnt be doing it all at the same time but incrementally...think habitat for humanity but on a massive scale
2. absolutely not true about the heat and water...often that stuff is out and slow to be put back on by the slum lords...as are basic repairs to the insides...and "they" dont trash the place once fixed or replaced...ive worked with organizations who refurbish inner city slums for a long time and when people get their living conditions improved they want to keep it up and generally do that...again poor people want the same things we do if they have something nice they want it to stay that way...who wouldnt?...when you live in hell you tend to treat it like hell
3. absoultely the majority of these people are hard workers...in general minorities wanna work as much as we do or as little as we do depending on the person...now for the short term you may have a higher % that are lazy fargs simply because they have never known the other way...thats what 400 years of getting your ass whipped will do...this isnt gonna change over nite but you have to start somewhere...the has to be a light at the end of the tunnel for people to see before they will go for it
4. we have plenty of money...easily enough....it just goes to the wrong places and this is where the governmental racism kicks in...the politicians simply dont care about minorities because jobs mean money and money means investment and property and the next thing you know 200 years from now whitey aint runnin shtein...no way they let that happen
5. agree with you...it would unbelievably easy to stop this...but they dont want to...they want blacks killing blacks...also agree with the long haul this is something that will take decades...but you have to start somewhere...problem is there are to many reasons not to help the poor and even fewer reasons to help poor minorities
Allow me to clarify two things:
1. I made it abundantly obvious that Eugene Robinson is an excellent writer. Writing style = A. Content/Opinion = F.
2. I don't fault Taylor for "only" having a machete to protect his house. I fault him for not moving the hell out.
Or having dogs. I swear to God, even the most desperate crackhead wants nothing to do with a pair of dobermans.
to be fair no one lives there during the season and he was only home (for one day) because he was injured
settle down, skippy. the wire starts up in a month.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 30, 2007, 05:08:59 PM
to be fair no one lives there during the season and he was only home (for one day) because he was injured
which brings us back to our original point - the Eagles killed Sean Taylor
Good ESPN article about athletes being targeted for crime. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3133995)
Complete with an awful, and somewhat juvenile/frightening, quote by Ben Wallace.
Quote"Professional athletes, most of us came from the streets. We feel like we know the streets and can pretty much protect ourselves," Wallace said.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but something about that quote seems to ooze with machismo and pride for staying in touch with 'the streets'. These guys have jobs that allowed them to get the farg away from the streets. Please don't take pride in keeping it real. Please.
Fair enough. But I think Ben can look out for himself a little better than Short Bus Sean.
4 arrested for the murder and they were all pups.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 29, 2007, 01:36:04 AM
Quote from: TexasEagle on November 28, 2007, 09:25:57 PM
Quote from: PPinDC on November 28, 2007, 07:57:58 PM
BTW, I just did a search for an "RIP Darrent Williams" thread on ES. No luck. Shocker of the week, that one.
Ain't it though? I went looking and couldn't find shtein yesterday either. Bunch of farging hypocrites over there.
I don't think we have one either.
Were we supposed to?
We don't have any real threads mourning Taylor either, so we're still good.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 30, 2007, 05:04:45 PM
Or having dogs. I swear to God, even the most desperate crackhead wants nothing to do with a pair of dobermans.
maybe they didn't because of the baby
He also wasn't at that house a lot, so having dogs there didn't make as much sense.
I won't live without a dog. Best alarm system/invasion deterrent you can get.
Quote from: MDS on November 30, 2007, 10:13:40 PM
4 arrested for the murder and they were all pups.
(http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/11/30/sean.taylor/art.sean.taylor.suspects.ap.jpg)
dook on top lefts Myspace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=251964564). Looks like a few of them were in the same rap group
Would be much more interesting if they played D&D together.
Drunk and disorderly?
Holy shtein that farging song sucks. The first 20 seconds, I think there's about 25 "nagger" bombs dropped. Christ I hate wannabe rappers.
MY BIG BRO DEF DIDNT DO THAT shtein SO A MUCH NEED 2 GET OFF HIS TRAIL CUZ I DONT BALIEVE HE DID NONE OF THAT shtein BRO A BITCH ALWAYZ GONE DO 4 U BUT THEY B THA MAIN 1S TURNIN DEY BACK ON YA WEN U GET BEHIND BARZ I LOVE U BRO
**FREE MY BRO C-DUB && ERIC RIVERA**
¤Y0UR N0T WH0 i TH0UGHT Y0U WERE¤
30 Nov 2007 17:19
DANG BR0 i CANT BELiEVE i JUST SAW Y0 FACE 0N DA NEWS.. DiS HAS G0T T0 BE DA CREEPEST shtein EVA.. MAN WAT WAS Y0U THiNKiN..? WELL iMA STiLL RiDE FA YA BR0!
$TeeTee$ MY BR0 STiLL G0iN BL0W..
YEAH!
Nice Garage their picture is in front of, definitely inner city kids
Obviously, the primary blame still falls on the white man for oppressing those promising kids.
Quote from: Munson on December 02, 2007, 12:19:26 AM
MY BIG BRO DEF DIDNT DO THAT shtein SO A MUCH NEED 2 GET OFF HIS TRAIL CUZ I DONT BALIEVE HE DID NONE OF THAT shtein BRO A BITCH ALWAYZ GONE DO 4 U BUT THEY B THA MAIN 1S TURNIN DEY BACK ON YA WEN U GET BEHIND BARZ I LOVE U BRO
**FREE MY BRO C-DUB && ERIC RIVERA**
¤Y0UR N0T WH0 i TH0UGHT Y0U WERE¤
30 Nov 2007 17:19
DANG BR0 i CANT BELiEVE i JUST SAW Y0 FACE 0N DA NEWS.. DiS HAS G0T T0 BE DA CREEPEST shtein EVA.. MAN WAT WAS Y0U THiNKiN..? WELL iMA STiLL RiDE FA YA BR0!
$TeeTee$ MY BR0 STiLL G0iN BL0W..
YEAH!
I'm just keepin it real...yeah, you keepin it real...real dumb - Chris Rock
FYI:
Sean Taylor is still dead.
And more than a little ripe I'd imagine.
i give it a few hours before someone makes a brokeback mountain in heaven picture between sean taylor and heath ledger.
paging Beermonkey
They won't let him rest in peace. Cooley and whatever other skin is in the pro-bowl will wear no. 21. Christ, maybe they'll give out rubber machete's at the gate.
link to what shorebird said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210496
:puke
are they going to wear kevlar thigh pads too?
Hopefully they'll just shoot each other in the femoral artery right before gametime.
if they really want a tribute to Taylor, all the probowl players should wear a patch with the number 21 over their groin area.
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 27, 2008, 02:59:24 AM
if they really want a tribute to Taylor, all the probowl players should wear a patch with the number 21 over their groin area.
And then after the game they can go commit armed assaults and DUIs just like Taylor used to.