I'll start....
Herremans. Sucks.
Jason Short.
Reno
Dirk Diggler (but we signed him until 2034 so nevermind)
Garcia (gotta groom a young QB)
greg lewis
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 27, 2006, 12:44:46 PM
I'll start....
Herremans. Sucks.
No. He's been playing pretty well. Nice run blocking last night.
Did you see his "block" on the 3rd and short in the 1st quarter that forced the Eagles to attempt the ill-fated FG?
Ok, so he missed a block. Fire him.
Tank Daniels > Jason Short
jason short is a walking personal foul
Quote from: SunMo on November 27, 2006, 12:59:50 PM
jason short is a walking personal foul
And that's only when he can walk. Broken leg, broken leg, high ankle sprain, personal foul problems, no position to play.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 27, 2006, 12:55:46 PM
Ok, so he missed a block. Fire him.
He's the worst starting offensive lineman. Although, maybe they should get him ready to move out to RT and get Jean-Gilles or someone in there at LG. Runyan's definitely on the downslope of his career.
bartrum
Quote from: hunt on November 27, 2006, 01:04:15 PM
bartrum
Yeah, what the hell has happened to him? Used to be the best long snapper in the game, and now its an adventure every time he snaps the ball.
We know we really suck when we even want the damn long snapper gone.
Bartrum made a nice tackle on ST last night.
Schoebel has shown nothing but the ability to drop passes.
Baskett
Schobel
Moats
Runyan
GLew (despite his nice catch last night)
Buckhalter
Mahe
Moats
Oline is good, it would be great imo if they used a line of that size properly
Bartrum, he takes up a roster spot and hasn't had his best season.
Short
Up until this year, I'd be in agreement about Mahe. But he's proven his worth and then some in the return game. No way does he go anywhere. He's the special teams MVP. RLY!
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 27, 2006, 01:55:18 PM
Up until this year, I'd be in agreement about Mahe. But he's proven his worth and then some in the return game. No way does he go anywhere. He's the special teams MVP. RLY!
I had the same thinking. Couldn't believe he was here in the past but now I appreciate his effort.
If Reno wasn't returning kick offs, the Eagles would have had a return for a TD last night. The one that Reno broke to the 50 should have been a TD. Reno is the epitome of Reids "blahness".
Reno has about as much talent as I do but I'm slowly coming over to the side of keeping him around because he's the only one left on this team aside from Dawkins, Westbrook, and maybe Cole who still plays with any heart.
My hope is that Adrian Peterson's injury problems will cause him to drop to where the Eagles can draft him, allowing us to move Westbrook back to full-time PR/KR while splitting carries with AP at RB. Of course then you have to keep Buckhalter around as the 3rd RB in the hopes that 2 of those 3 guys will be healthy at any given time.
lewis
baskett
lj smith
schoebel
buckhalter
moats
short
some minor tweaks like a big rb and a possession reciever could help in the long run. well, not if the defense remains as is. then it wont matter.
herremans needs to be kept to take tra's place at tackle....hes at least showed some promise there and who knows about justice...but heremans is not a guard and never should have been forced in there
moats gone
reno gone
baskett gone
lewis gone
replace the last three with some talent/athletic ability...the days of undrafted free agents playing need to end
id say tapeh as well but since they dont run the ball who cares...but he isnt a good lead blocker at all
Forgot about Show Boat.
While I agree that Mahe has played well this season, he just needs to go because he is one of AR's boys.
Why Greg Lewis? He's fine as a 3/4. He took a nice lick on a catch he made. I thought he was going to snap in two. I don't mind him here as long as he never rises above number three on the depth chart.
Because once a player gets in the doghouse... he's gotta go no matter what.
I don't know what you're talking about IGY. Tapeh has done very well at lead blocking this year. All six times he's been asked to do it.
The other dudes, Baskett, Lewis, Moats, Mahe and Buckhalter all need to go. Immediately. Jason Short too. Get rid of Schoebel for a guy who can actually contribute anything.
I've got no complaints about GLew either given the role that he's in. I've said most of last year that he's a fine #3 or 4 but obviously was thrust into the starting role when he wasn't ready/able to handle it. The problem is that the recievers ahead of him on the depth chart aren't a whole lot better.
If Moats can't even get activated over the likes of Reno Mahe, then he has no business being on this team.
Why Greg Lewis? He's fine as a 3/4. He took a nice lick on a catch he made. I thought he was going to snap in two. I don't mind him here as long as he never rises above number three on the depth chart.
because hes worthless...yeah he has decent hands but he gets open once every four games and when he does catch it he is a threat to no one...why can new orleans score guys like colston and henderson back to back the jets got a gem in cotchery but the birds gotta put up with garbage like baskett and lewis...how does someone like greg lewis stay on a team for four farging years...you telling me they cant upgrade over that clown in four years...
I think Tapeh has played very well this year. It's a disgrace that Reid does not use him more.
Quote from: MURP on November 27, 2006, 03:32:29 PM
I think Tapeh has played very well this year. It's a disgrace that Reid does not use him more.
Tapeh's associated with running the ball. We're lucky we've seen as much of him as we have.
tapeh can get in peoples way and has tied up some backers in holes this year...but he isnt moving anyone forward and just as often hes getting moved...hes not a true fullback...but like i said who cares they dont utilize one anyway...but if they did i wouldnt want him leading the way 20 times a game for my hb
Can someone tell me why David Culley has been allowed to be the Eagles WR coach since 1999? Is there any coach more deserving of a swift firing, and public flogging?
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 27, 2006, 03:37:30 PM
Can someone tell me why David Culley has been allowed to be the Eagles WR coach since 1999? Is there any coach more deserving of a swift firing, and public flogging?
His boss.
Every RB but Westbrook. Every WR but Brown, Stallworth, and Avant. Tapeh, Schobel, Mahe. LJ Smith is a guy who I don't care for either way, but he isn't a guy you cut, he's the type of guy you just let walk after his contract is up. Moats I like and if we change coaches then a new coach might actually give him a chance.
Quote from: King Cole on November 27, 2006, 03:55:19 PM
Every RB but Westbrook. Every WR but Brown, Stallworth, and Avant. Tapeh, Schobel, Mahe. LJ Smith is a guy who I don't care for either way, but he isn't a guy you cut, he's the type of guy you just let walk after his contract is up. Moats I like and if we change coaches then a new coach might actually give him a chance.
Your entire post is retarded but I bolded the parts that were more retardeder than the rest.
I wouldn't care that much if Moats got let go, but yeah, a rare error on my part.
I didn't bother pointing out that you also mentioned Tapeh and Mahe, both of whom are running backs.
Retardeder?
:-D
9.5
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 27, 2006, 04:07:49 PM
I didn't bother pointing out that you also mentioned Tapeh and Mahe, both of whom are running backs.
Offense/
ST'sMahe = return man
Tapeh = RB on roster, FB in reality
next
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 27, 2006, 04:08:38 PM
Retardeder?
:-D
9.5
I thought to myself "WWDS" (What Would Dubbya Say?) and there ya go. Retardeder.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 27, 2006, 03:07:26 PM
herremans needs to be kept to take tra's place at tackle....hes at least showed some promise there and who knows about justice...but heremans is not a guard and never should have been forced in there
moats gone
reno gone
baskett gone
lewis gone
replace the last three with some talent/athletic ability...the days of undrafted free agents playing need to end
id say tapeh as well but since they dont run the ball who cares...but he isnt a good lead blocker at all
I agree with replacing those guys with athletes. A guy like Devin Hester who maybe doesn't really have a position but can turn the game around with a return. Hopefully Jeremy Bloom can give us something like Hester is giving Chicago.
I disagree about Herremans at LG. He's played well there. If they are going to move him it should be to RT unless they slide Winston Justice over to RT and have Herremans play LT. But Pat McCoy is a guy who could end up replacing Runyan at RT. He's a decent prospect. But the OL is set - it might need some shuffling around but they have the pieces in place.
McNabb. Needs to be said, and seriously considered. Can he come back to full form from this injury post 30? Maybe. But not until the middle of next season. We need a replacement til then. Who thinks it's Feeley. Not me - it's a draftee or FA pickup. And then the controversy starts. Settle with him and cut him loose. And start over.
A draftee is going to blow and blow hard. AJ isn't going to cause a controversy because he's really not as good as people want to think he is. That's why he's back here and not starting on one of the other 31 teams out there.
While I agree that a draftee will blow hard, so will AJ, and likely McNabb next season. 2007 is already lost, regardless of whether they retain Reid et al.
If we start over with a new coach, might as well start over with a new QB that fits HIS philosophy, and not a gimp.
Brace yourselves for Jake Plummer talk...
I'd rather bring back Neckbeard.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 27, 2006, 07:22:10 PM
Brace yourselves for Jake Plummer talk...
You can't see it, but I'm punching you in the face through your monitor.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 27, 2006, 07:22:10 PM
Brace yourselves for Jake Plummer talk...
Yeah, we need another old running QB with bad mechanics. Great.
A second rate, scrambling, white QB who is probably entering the back-up-challenging-the-incumbent-starter phase of his career... just warning you...
I hate you.
Troooooooyyyyyy Smith :) :) :)
Quote from: MadMarchHare on November 27, 2006, 07:10:48 PM
McNabb. Needs to be said, and seriously considered. Can he come back to full form from this injury post 30? Maybe. But not until the middle of next season. We need a replacement til then. Who thinks it's Feeley. Not me - it's a draftee or FA pickup. And then the controversy starts. Settle with him and cut him loose. And start over.
McNabb goes nowhere. ACL injuries are comparable to an ankle sprain nowadays. His arm is fine and thats all that matters.
McNabb
Feeley
draft pick
If McNabb isn't ready by week 1, and he should be, Feeley starts. He's got a 2yr deal.
Getting rid of McNabb would signify the team trying to rebuild (and admitting it publicly), and that is something that this ownership and front ofice team will never allow to happen. They've proven over and over again that they are happy putting a good competetive team on the field, without ever over-extending themselves to get over the hump and actually win something. The last thing they would ever do is get rid of their flawed franchise quarterback.
We make fun of other teams for this kind of blind loyalty to players. Especially franchise quarterbacks.
If he's flawed - I sure hope they get another flawed franchise QB in return.
I can't wait for when he is finally run out of town and then we have to deal with slop for years. That'll be fun.
If you're going to rebuild you do so around McNabb. One thing teams look for when rebuilding is a solid QB. Already have one of those.
I'm not suggesting that the team get rid of him. Or that the team would be better off right away without him. Any move involving McNabb would be purely to make a statement about the team changing direction.
But, as I said, this franchise will not change direction any time soon. They will try to continue putting an above average product on the field every single year, rather than sacrificing a year or two or three to build team that can bring an actual championship to town. They seem to be convinced that they are just 'one piece away' every year and so instead of using their draft picks and free agency wisely, they draft project players every year (Scott Young, a former DT playing OG? Jeremy Bloom, a farging skier? Gocong, a D-2, asian, DE, who looks like he has more body fat than muscle and is being switched to LB?) to tinker with and sit on the bench. They sign Schoebel and Shawn Barber and other cast-offs as role players. farg that. This team needs an enema. I don't want McNabb to go, but if he did, at least we would know that the front office finally sees that this team isn't anywhere near seriously competing for a championship and that major changes need to be made.
Flawed franchise QB?
???
Is the franchise QB going to be perfect? Find me one in the NFL who is. Manning can't play when you get in his face, IF you can get there. Brady certainly has his flaws and bad games....
If we can get rid of our top 3-5 QB and replace him with another top...lets say 7, or so...QB, fine....But seriously, there are more things to worry about then the goddamn "flawed franchise QB". His injury might be something to worry about, but replacing him for the long term is stupid to even suggest right now. As Phreak said, it's going to be funny watching everyone miss having a top NFL QB once he's gone.
Let's get this straight...
Culpepper/Palmer=Torn ACL, PCL, MCL
McNabb=Torn ACL
There's a big difference there. Even Mark Brunell still could scramble around for a couple years after he messed his knee up, and he isn't even half the athletic talent that McNabb is. McNabb will still be able to move around in the pocket/shrug off defenders like he usually does. The only concern will be him getting the confidence back in the knee and its strength, which always takes some athletes a little bit to do.
If someone needs to go on offense....it's the TE's. Smith can stay if his price is right, but they need a 2nd TE who is 1. Solid run-blocker and 2. Reletively sure handed, can run the short routes and allow LJ to use his athletic ability to stretch the middle of the field.
Everyone else on the offense has done fine this year, in spite of the terrible play calling. The only other thing I can complain about on offense is the drops, but Stallworth/Brown is a better combo then we'd find elsewhere next year.
Offense= :yay
Defense=Purge. Rape and pillage. Burn to the farging ground.
mcnabb IS flawed
mcnabb is NOT a franchise qb
he isnt someone you build around
hes just another piece of a big puzzle
he cant carry a team himself
he isnt a great passer
he hasnt run in a long time and probably cant run now
he needs lots of help
like a running game
like great wr's
that being said you dont get rid of him he should be able to come back and be ok...but what you do do is start looking for his replacement...find a matt schaub with the intention that he will replace mcnabb in a couple years or sooner if he isnt able to return at a high level...gotta be proactive here so that when mcnabbs days are numbered you have something in place
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 08:30:38 AM
mcnabb IS flawed Right
mcnabb is NOT a franchise qb Wrong
he isnt someone you build around Wrong
hes just another piece of a big puzzle The most important piece
he cant carry a team himself He has before... point is though... he shouldn't have to.
he isnt a great passer Maybe not "great"... he is a pretty good one. His passing is far from a weakness.
he hasnt run in a long time and probably cant run now Yeah, he runs less... but he'll be ABLE to next year if he chooses.
he needs lots of help Just about every QB in the NFL does.
like a running game Ditto
like great wr's This team has far from "great" WR's and he was tied for the lead in TD passes before the Titans game.
Quotethat being said you dont get rid of him he should be able to come back and be ok...but what you do do is start looking for his replacement...find a matt schaub with the intention that he will replace mcnabb in a couple years or sooner if he isnt able to return at a high level...gotta be proactive here so that when mcnabbs days are numbered you have something in place
Don't have too much problem with this. If there's someone out there you like... go after him and start grooming him for the future. The future may be a little closer than some people realize.
I seriously can't help but laugh at those of you who think that a torn ACL is going to seriously affect McNabb's mobility. The way some of you are talking you think he's going to be Drew Bledsoe when he comes back. It's a bad injury but it's not a career threatening or even career altering injury. At least not when you're a 30 year old professional athlete in excellent physical condition. The worst part about this injury is the timing of it because it could potentially affect 2 separate seasons. Had McNabb gone down a month ago or sooner there would be little to no worries about next year.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 28, 2006, 10:42:17 AM
I seriously can't help but laugh at those of you who think that a torn ACL is going to seriously affect McNabb's mobility. The way some of you are talking you think he's going to be Drew Bledsoe when he comes back. It's a bad injury but it's not a career threatening or even career altering injury. At least not when you're a 30 year old professional athlete in excellent physical condition. The worst part about this injury is the timing of it because it could potentially affect 2 separate seasons. Had McNabb gone down a month ago or sooner there would be little to no worries about next year.
^^^^^
Truth.
Saying McNabb is not a franchise QB is a little, uhh, dumb.
you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?
Hater.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?
We are clearly defining "franchise QB" differently. My definition is a very good to elite QB who can take over a game consistently.
I am by no means comparing McNabb to Elway here, but by your definition Elway was not a franchise QB when he won two Super Bowls because he was in his 30's and had bad knees.
i think you can make the argument that five years ago mcnabb could have been a frqnchise qb...but he clearly isnt now
other than the year he had TO his numbers have been just good...and thats in an offense that throws the ball a ton...do i think he did a lot of things to win games early in his career yes...mostly with his feet...but hes not that guy anymore...and he has never been a qb that could carry a team with his passing ability...he won games by being kept in them due to a good defense and then would make just enough plays to win it
McNabb = franchise QB.
Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?
Quote from: Beermonkey on November 28, 2006, 10:41:49 AMenemas?
yes, it's become a regular part of my new weight loss program.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 11:44:13 AM
i think you can make the argument that five years ago mcnabb could have been a frqnchise qb...but he clearly isnt now
unfortunately i think i agree with this.
McNabb could easily peak later in his career like a Steve Young or a John Elway, but both of those guys (especially Elway) had coaches that actually took some pressure off the QB by running the ball.
McNabb = franchise QB.
Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?
right this second...
brady
palmer
manning
brees
Brady, Palmer, and Peyton Manning are all definite franchise QB's.
Borderline guys right now are Brees, Bulger, Hasselbeck, Favre, Delhomme, and McNabb
Baffling guys are Vick and Eli.
Possibly will be franchise QB's in the next few years are Leinart, Young, Cutler, Romo, Alex Smith, Grossman, and Rivers.
My definition of a Franchise Quarterback:
A quarterback you can build a team around to be competitive in the present, near future and/or long term future.
Pretty simple. McNabb is that type of player. If you surround him with talent he will put up amazing numbers. Hell, he's put up very good numbers over the years with average to below average talent around him. He is a franchise quarterback and there are probably only 3 teams out there who would pass on him without a second thought if he were available today.
Indy
NE
Cincy
Every other team in the league would at least strongly consider McNabb over their current QB and I'd say about 12-15 would take him in a heartbeat......for now and the future.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 12:00:29 PM
McNabb = franchise QB.
Who do you see as franchise QBs in the NFL, IGY?
right this second...
brady
palmer
manning
brees
... and McNabb belongs right on that list. Before Brees or Palmer too.
It's also funny how you can consider Brees a "franchise QB" over McNabb when he's been with his current team for like 6 months and his former team obviously didn't view him that way.
McNabb deserves a shot to come back. Especially with a new coaching staff. If he had a running game and at least one reliable receiver he'd be golden. I gurantee it.
Oh and a defense might help a little.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 28, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
My definition of a Franchise Quarterback:
Whoa whoa whoa...don't be defining things around here...how can we get into baseless "I'm right, and you are wrong" pissing matches if you go and define what you are talking about?
that should be like a man law or something.
First, kudos to everyone for ignoring Munson's mini-novel of a response.
Second, to reiterate, I don't think McNabb should be gotten rid of. I certainly don't think he will be gotten rid of. I'm just saying that this team is on the verge of needing a total overhaul and if they were to go that route, getting rid of McNabb would not, and should not, be out of the question.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 28, 2006, 01:35:45 PM
First, kudos to everyone for ignoring Munson's mini-novel of a response.
Second, to reiterate, I don't think McNabb should be gotten rid of. I certainly don't think he will be gotten rid of. I'm just saying that this team is on the verge of needing a total overhaul and if they were to go that route, getting rid of McNabb would not, and should not, be out of the question.
I think you could have a complete overhaul of this team and still keep McNabb. He is only 30 years old, which by QB standards is fairly young. The only issue I have with McNabb is that he hasn't shown the ability to stay healthy over the last 4-5 seasons. That is a big issue for a guy who is a Franchise QB.
The only reason I would want to see Donovan leave is because Reid stays. That of course will never happen. I think Reid while responsible for a lot of McNabb's success, is the main reason we will never see what McNabb should or could become. I just wish that we had a coach who believed in a thing called balance, and wasn't so arrogant that he thinks he can have minimal talent in his offense and still be great.
I don't see the need for a total overhaul of the players. The o-line's good enough, McNabb is one of the best QBs in the NFL, Westbrook's pretty good. A blocking TE and a bigger back are the only necessary additions. I don't normally display tendencies to over-react so I'm not sold on the "fire everybody" philosophy, but something does need to happen on the defensive side of the ball. The defense has undoubtedly cost the Eagles more games this season than the offense.
i hope the defensive liabilities dont over shadow the fact that andys offensive philosophy is horrid and that above all he needs to go way before mcnabb or any other player
I haven't ever agreed with his philosophy, but it's hard to argue with the points it normally puts on the board.
All or nothing offenses that don't eat clock will never win a championship. Even 'The Greatest Show on Turf' in St. Louis had Faulk running the ball 20+ times a game. Andy Reid needs to be shown the door. Immediately.
Merely committing to running the ball more won't work. They actually have to have a running back who is able to run it 25-30 times a game.
We all know that won't happen with Reid as the head coach so all this hubbub is really pointless, fellas.
The only thing that has even remotely cheered me up about this franchise in over a year and a half was watching NFL Films this morning at the gym. Segment on Gizmo Williams. Brought back some great memories. Guy was a stud in the CFL. Also played for the Memphis Showboats with Reggie White. Great story.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2006, 02:37:51 PM
Merely committing to running the ball more won't work. They actually have to have a running back who is able to run it 25-30 times a game.
We all know that won't happen with Reid as the head coach so all this hubbub is really pointless, fellas.
I'm fine with Westbrook getting 18-22 carrieis a game with a bigger back getting anohter 10-12. Westbrook's on the verge of breaking 2000 yards from scrimmage....get him a solid compliment and be willing to run more then 30 times a game, and we'd have a very potent offense.
We already have a potent offense. The problem is, the offense is predicated on the pass and teams that pass the ball to the degree that the Eagles do rarely win championships. In fact, I don't think one has ever won a championship. They've gotten close, but as someone said earlier, even the Rams had Marshall Faulk running the ball.
And before you say it, Westbrook is no Marshall Faulk. Not by a long shot.
Quote from: Butchers Bill on November 28, 2006, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 28, 2006, 11:32:10 AM
you think a 30 year old who isnt a great qb to begin with and coming off a bad knee injury is a franchise qb?
We are clearly defining "franchise QB" differently. My definition is a very good to elite QB who can take over a game consistently.
I am by no means comparing McNabb to Elway here, but by your definition Elway was not a franchise QB when he won two Super Bowls because he was in his 30's and had bad knees.
There's a difference, though. Denver had a running game that, you know, they used. They didn't depend on Elway to win games. And Elway didn't have a torn ACL in his career (at least, not one I remember). He'll be 32 when he's fully recovered from this injury. The team need a new coach, and a total overhaul. Keeping McNabb as part of that - not an option.
I agree with RJS, though. None of that will happen.
McNabb has already lost a step, but the agility and arm strength were there this season. He's never had shoulder soreness after a game, so he could play until he's 45 in theory. Just get the guy a running game and some farging TEs that can block once in a while. Maybe receivers that can catch. Someone to catch & roll for the worm burners...
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 28, 2006, 07:26:51 PM
We already have a potent offense. The problem is, the offense is predicated on the pass and teams that pass the ball to the degree that the Eagles do rarely win championships. In fact, I don't think one has ever won a championship. They've gotten close, but as someone said earlier, even the Rams had Marshall Faulk running the ball.
And before you say it, Westbrook is no Marshall Faulk. Not by a long shot.
Well, exactly. They need a coach, or someone, who's going to be willing to run the ball more then 37% of the time. Westbrook can get the bulk of the carries, but bring in another guy....hell lets see if Buckhalter can do it this year, we got plenty of games left that don't matter....Who can carry 10, 12, 15 if he has to. Westbrook is a lethal player himself, imagine what it'd be like to have a bigger compliment to him that the Eagles actually used.
And I don't know who to compare Westbrook to....He's kind of made his own niche. I really hope he breaks 2000 and gets the recognition he deserves....I don't, however, hope he ever EVER ends up on the cover of Madden.
The Colts have a potent offense.
The Eagles have a hit-and-miss offense. Sometimes they look real good, sometimes they are God awful. Until they get more consistent I wouldn't really say they are potent, because to me potent is tantamount to consistency.
Amen, Z.
Quote from: Eaglez on November 28, 2006, 11:38:38 PM
The Colts have a potent offense.
The Eagles have a hit-and-miss offense. Sometimes they look real good, sometimes they are God awful. Until they get more consistent I wouldn't really say they are potent, because to me potent is tantamount to consistency.
Is this because of the skill level of the offense, or because the horrible play calling that has left them in 2nd/3rd and longs all season? Imagine how much better this offense would be if Reid would farging pick up 4-8 yards on the first two downs and ate up a little clock, instead of passing and being at 3rd and 10 in under 10 seconds. :boom
QUOTE: I'm fine with Westbrook getting 18-22 carrieis a game with a bigger back getting anohter 10-12. Westbrook's on the verge of breaking 2000 yards from scrimmage....get him a solid compliment and be willing to run more then 30 times a game, and we'd have a very potent offense.
Excellent Idea! Why didn't the Eagles think about what everybody else is doing that works? They hold onto Buckhalter forever and for wha? Then don't use him to back up Westbrook until the season is lost. They don't even use Moats, who is a little Westbrook, at all. Even Spadaro is disapointed they didn't use Moats this season, and he is so far ON THE INSIDE, that he can't even see Outside.
Dallas got Marion Barber to back up Jones
Giants got Brandon Jacobs to back up Tiki
Get the Idea? Imagine a Stephen Jackson Monster type backing up Westbrook.
Imagine Stephen Jackson replacing Westbrook completely.
Or imagine Westbrook as the third down back/kick returner/gadget receiver that he should be with Jackson carrying the load.
Yeah, we've all imagined it being the way it should be. Sadly, that isn't the way Andy Reid's fat head wants it. farg Andy Reid.
Yup. A big Monster FB to back up Westbrook, who does get better as the game goes on by the way, and protect the McNabb of the Future would extend the life of that Battery allright. Eagles still have the OLine.
Would the Receivers and Tight Ends be better able to catch the ball with a running game like that?
Uh, you lost me. FB? McNabb of the Future? The running game helping the receivers catch the ball? I think we have another crack smoker here.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2006, 12:47:29 AM
Imagine Stephen Jackson replacing Westbrook completely.
Or imagine Westbrook as the third down back/kick returner/gadget receiver that he should be with Jackson carrying the load.
Yeah, we've all imagined it being the way it should be. Sadly, that isn't the way Andy Reid's fat head wants it. farg Andy Reid.
What's wrong with what they've been using Westbrook for now? 18-22 carries, another 5+ "gadget receiver" plays per game. Having a Stephen Jackson type player and Brian Westbrook on the same roster is not only impossible because of play time, but also because of money. Jackson hasn't really done much more then Westbrook this year anyway, and he's supposed to be a "workhorse" back....
Jackson-
Rushing: 932 yards, 6 TD's
Recieving: 63 catches, 553 yards, 0 TD's
Westbrook-
Rushing: 839 yards, 5 TD's
Recieving: 60 catches, 530 yards, 3 TD's
Lets stick with Westbrook and find a Brandon Jacobs type player, please. PLEASE.
And get someone else to call the plays and make this offense balanced, please. PLEASE.
God the more we talk about the run game and a big RB to compliment Westbrook, the more I hate Andy Reid.
As I've already shown you repeatedly, the difference is that Westbrook is fragile and bound to get hurt. But you already knew that. Also, considering the fact that Jackson is a big bruiser, and the fact that he has as many receptions and yards as Westbrook, I'll take Jackson over Westbrook every day of the week.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 29, 2006, 02:03:38 AM
As I've already shown you repeatedly, the difference is that Westbrook is fragile and bound to get hurt. But you already knew that. Also, considering the fact that Jackson is a big bruiser, and the fact that he has as many receptions and yards as Westbrook, I'll take Jackson over Westbrook every day of the week.
Yeah Westbrook's just been so fragile this year carrying a bigger load then he ever has. ::)
If Jackson is supposed to be the big workhorse back, and Westbrook is trapped in the pass-happy offense, why aren't his stats blowing Westbrook's out of the water?
You take the bigger, slower RB...I'll stick with the guy that about 3 people in the NFL can cover, can take it to the house on any play, and makes guys miss like nobody's business. Get him a solid, big back up who can carry the ball 10+ times a game and I'm happy. Well...if Reid runs the ball.
westbrook is way too good to be relegated to a third down back
No time like the present to test Westbrook's durability. He's got five games to prove he can be counted on to run the ball 30 times a game. Do it. Do it now, Andy.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 29, 2006, 06:27:14 AM
westbrook is way too good to be relegated to a third down back
Word.
It might be the play calling, it might be the talent, but its probably a combination of both. Even when Andy calls a play (or Marty, whoever you want to believe is calling the plays) the offense just doesn't execute particularly well.
False starts, missed blocking assignments, holding onto the ball too long, illegal shifts, dropped passes, etc.
The Colts moved the ball like clockwork on Sunday. The Eagles offense actually looked pretty good, but I think it was because they were blocking well and Garcia was actually being pretty decisive with the ball and not forcing a lot of passes. It was nice to see Westbrook just get a little check down throw and pick up 6-8 yards and every once in a while break one for 15.
That's why I say the Eagles are hit and miss. Andy might devise a great gameplan one day but then the Eagles don't execute, or Andy might make some boneheaded play calls and the reason the Eagles are unsuccessful is because of those boneheaded play calls.
There is just too much inconsistency with this team. Either the playcalling is off the mark, or the Eagles can't execute. It's a vicious cycle of crappiness.
rjs246: Uh, you lost me. FB? McNabb of the Future? The running game helping the receivers catch the ball? I think we have another crack smoker here.
What I meant by FB and "McNabb of the Future", is that we don't really know what we might get out of McNabb after this knee injury. Somebody said it here before that he hasn't lost anything in arm or upper body strength. Just in case he needs a Big Mean Full Back to protect him when he does have to pass, and maybe can't scramble as good in the future. And a Full Back that can pound it in the middle and give him a break when needed. One thing, he ain't getting no younger...
And, If the Eagles had a killer running game taking a lot of the plays... I was insinuating that the Receivers may learn to appreciate what getting a pass thrown to them means. I was just clowning on the Droppers we have to root for now.
Besides, I haven't smoked crack in a looong time. Ahhh the days of just being numb to everything. Especially a season gone bad!