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Title: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2005, 10:44:09 AM
This is the transcript of his interview from PE.com. most of the quotes can be found in today's Inky but this is the entire thing;

QuoteMcNABB ADDRESSES '05 EAGLES

December 11, 2005

Quarterback Donovan McNabb, unable to play the role of Santa Claus, still took part in his annual Donovan McNabb Foundation Christmas drive on Saturday at Lincoln Financial Field. While his brother, Sean, played Santa, McNabb met reporters and discussed the state of the team.

Here is a transcript of the interview:

Q: How do you feel after the surgery?

A: "A little better. Just talking to the doctor, he pretty much wants me to rest and not try to do anything now. Not that I would tear anything else, but obviously it would prolong my rehab. There's really nothing I can do for this particular injury. So, I've just pretty much been sitting back and watching everything that's been going on. I come down to the facility, talk to the guys and just continue to push those guys."

Q: When will you start throwing the ball?

A: "From what I understand, it will be for (the early February) mini-camp. I would hope so. I'm shooting for it but it's hard to say right now."

Q: How much of a hit has your reputation and stature taken this year?

A: Obviously I probably wouldn't be able to name one player who has been through what I've been through the last five, six, seven years. I don't think I've taken a hit on my name or my reputation at all. Maybe I'm optimistic with it, but I think one thing that it has done is, it's obviously made people pay attention to a lot of things that I do and what I say. I've had so many compliments on how I've handled a lot of situations, but that's just being me.

"I think the most important way of handling situations is just being yourself and not worrying about what people have to say about you. No matter what you do in this world, you can't please everybody. You can't worry about what people feel about you, you can only be yourself."

Q: Are you amazed at some of the things said about you?

A: "I am. We were laughing and joking about it a couple of days ago. It seems like everybody who seems to take a shot at me either loses their job (laughing) or more things are found out about them that they don't want people to know. So (laughing), I think now people are hesitant about bringing my name out of their mouth now. Hey, I tried to tell them ..But you know what? We can sit back and laugh about that but it doesn't have to be like that."

Q: Is it disappointing when someone makes remarks about your race?

A: "Especially being the same color I am. Obviously if it was someone else that's not African-American descent, to talk about your race, then it's a racist type of statement. But when it's someone of the same race as you that talks about you like you're selling out or whatever because you're not running the ball, it goes back to, what are we really talking about? When you go deep into that or you go statistically into what I've been doing, or how come I didn't stick up for so and so, or say why didn't I give a little bit of my (salary) to somebody else making money, you know, you still try to find an answer. And there's no answer that I've found.

"If you're talking about my play, that's one thing. If you're talking about my race, now we've got problems. If you try to make a name off of my name, I hope your closet is clean, because something is going to come out about you, too."

Q: Is that what happened? Are people trying to make a name off of you?

A: "I think what happened was just for everything that's been going on, people are just trying to find something different. For someone to say I didn't come out and defend T.O., I never talked bad about T.O. I've always defended T.O. I'm the one that asked for T.O. to be here. For people to question my leadership because I talked at my press conference about me being a leader of the team, well, if the question is asked, I'm going to answer the question. I'm not going to beat around it.

"When people say, 'How come you're not running?' When I tell them that sometimes with the injury, you're not able to do the stuff that you're used to doing, then that is talked about. No matter what I say or what I've said, people have taken it and kind of broken it up in so many parts and just added their own spin to it. For the guy with the NAACP, I always thought the NAACP supported African-Americans, not talked bad about them."

Q: Do you feel you've lost the support of the locker room?

A: "I don't feel I've lost the locker room. I think what we've seen right now with the downfall that we've had, for us being on top for so long, expectations are so high that at times I think we all just play the game like we're going to win just off of our name. And right now, we're not a good team. We're not a good team until we realize that it's all about team and not an individual game.

"This is a team sport. I don't think I've lost the locker room, and I don't think I have to do anything different than I've done for the last six years to gain it back."

Q: Can the team chemistry be repaired?

A: I don't think you can blame a downfall or what happened this year on one particular person. There are people that say, Well, it's T.O.'s fault.' Well, it may start with one person but it's the trickle down effect. And you know, T.O. hasn't been here for the last however many weeks. It's bad obviously that I had to get questions all of the sudden about my leadership. It's bad that we had to get questioned on our intensity or our emotion or us quitting.

"That's never been a problem for anyone to even think about when they talk about the Philadelphia Eagles. But that happens when you have a bad team."

Q: Would the season have been a struggle even if you hadn't gotten hurt?

A: I mean, pretty much it was a tough season from the beginning. And again, people may just blame it on one particular person, but for what (T.O.) said or what he's done, it's something that kind of spread in the locker room. It's never been a question of me losing the locker room until this year. If I've lost the locker room, then the question goes up, why?

"Is it because now people are beginning to look at me sideways for what I've been doing or what I make, or whatever he had the problem with? That's the question I'm trying to get answered -- if I've lost the locker room. No answers have come my way. But I do know the main reason why we're not a good team is we don't play as a team."

Q: What do you think the 2006 season will be like?

A: It's hard for people to see anything right now with what's been happening this year, with the injury and everything and now kind of everybody kind of looking back and thinking next year and what's going to happen. For myself, I kind of visualize it being just how it was last year; for the receivers and everybody on the offense, all of us to come back clicking.

"Like I said, I never lost the locker room, but if I did lose the locker room, we need for everybody to come together and realize that in order for us to win, we've got to play together. I think that's going to happen -- and you won't have to worry about any of this stuff that we've been talking about this past year.

Q: It sounds like you've lost the locker room and you plan on getting it back.

A: "Again, how do you get back a locker room? By being yourself. And I think what I have to do is just continue to make sure that the offense is ready to go. Be prepared, be in the best condition possible and just go out and give guys opportunities to make plays. If it's a divided locker room or whatever, I can't be the one to bring everyone together and say, Hey look, we need to be together' -- like I'm Knute Rockne or somebody.

"But when I bring guys together, I have to make them understand that that guy sitting next to you is counting on you to give all that he has. So when they look at me, they know that I'm going to give all I have."

Q: From sitting back and observing is it necessary to upgrade personnel?

A: "I don't know. That's kind of not my decision to make. I mean, for people that may think I have an office upstairs (at the NovaCare Complex), it's not like I make all the decisions. Since I'm a so-called company man, I have the key to the facility to get in."

Q: But you were instrumental in bringing Owens aboard?

A: "Well, I brought T.O. in. I requested for him to come."

Q: Do you need to request that other talented players be brought in?

A: "I think what we need is, again, for everybody to understand that in order for us to win, we've got to play well together. And that's the guys that are in the locker room right now, and our draftees and free agents we may sign. Everybody has to realize that in order for us to get back to the Super Bowl and win it, that we all have to play together.

"I mean, you never heard anything like this coming from the Indianapolis Colts. You never heard anything like this coming from the New England Patriots. I mean, Baltimore, when they won the Super Bowl, you never heard that. "
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: QB Eagles on December 11, 2005, 12:39:20 PM
Quote
Q: How much of a hit has your reputation and stature taken this year?

A: Obviously I probably wouldn't be able to name one player who has been through what I've been through the last five, six, seven years. I don't think I've taken a hit on my name or my reputation at all.

Over the past few years McNabb has demonstrated he's a consummate professional with the way he comports himself off the field. On the field, he's demonstrated that he's both an elite QB and a notorious choke artist. Only one of those three aspects of his reputation is negative, and it's something that has been and will continue to be in his control to change.

QuoteQ: Are you amazed at some of the things said about you?

A: "I am. We were laughing and joking about it a couple of days ago. It seems like everybody who seems to take a shot at me either loses their job (laughing) or more things are found out about them that they don't want people to know. So (laughing), I think now people are hesitant about bringing my name out of their mouth now.

Maybe we should start referring to him as "Don" McNabb. :-D

Quote
Q: Is it disappointing when someone makes remarks about your race?

Why this is still a legitimate topic in 2005 is beyond me. Anyone who makes it into an issue on either side is a certified douchebag. Let's talk football, not melanin.

QuoteA: I don't think you can blame a downfall or what happened this year on one particular person. There are people that say, Well, it's T.O.'s fault.' Well, it may start with one person but it's the trickle down effect. And you know, T.O. hasn't been here for the last however many weeks.

Agreed. Saying this poor season is TO's fault is no different from all the ridiculous "TO's fault" stories from last year. This team had and has a lot more problems than a loudmouth wide receiver.

QuoteSince I'm a so-called company man, I have the key to the facility to get in.

:-D
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on December 11, 2005, 12:48:06 PM
Im happy he finally spoke out.  Hopefully this crap lights a fire under his ass next year and he becomes the 2004 Mcnabb but with a little more running.   :yay
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Beermonkey on December 11, 2005, 02:05:24 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 11, 2005, 12:39:20 PM
Why this is still a legitimate topic in 2005 is beyond me. Anyone who makes it into an issue on either side is a certified douchebag. Let's talk football, not melanin.

It's because the local leader of the NAACP has made it an issue recently & accused McNabb of being a "mediocre talent who "played the race card" by moving away from his roots as a running quarterback to become a traditional pocket passer". See this story for more detail:

Mondesire disses McNabb as a 'mediocre talent'
(http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/13345058.htm)

While McNabb does have some performance issues, it seems like outside parties looking to further their own agendas, have taken to turning his deficiencies into a social lightning rod.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on December 11, 2005, 02:21:11 PM
This is the type of shtein that makes me feel bad for Donovan.  I think John Smallwood's retort (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/13365786.htm) was right on the money:

QuoteJohn Smallwood | FOLDING THE RACE CARD

CRITICS ARE OUT OF LINE DEBATING McNABB'S 'BLACKNESS'


THAT I DISAGREE with the negative assessment Philadelphia NAACP head Jerry Mondesire made of Donovan McNabb in the Philadelphia Sun is irrelevant.

Mondesire, like everyone else, is entitled to his opinions, and more power to him for having a forum like the Sun to express them.

I guess what I'd really like to know is how or why the quarterback's performance, Terrell Owens' self-created banishment and the Eagles' fall from Super Bowl to the cellar of the NFC East has evolved into a referendum on "blackness" in some segments of Philadelphia's African-American community.

In his column, Mondesire blasted McNabb as an average quarterback who played the race card. If McNabb were Caucasian, would Mondesire have been moved to go against his normal policy of not commenting on sports because "the games that grown men play pale in comparison to the great issues of racism, politics, social calamities, health crisis's, war, peace, etc... . "?

If McNabb were Caucasian, I am positive white people would not have been motivated to call into talk radio shows and debate whether the quarterback was a true white man.


But debating Donovan McNabb as a true black man is exactly what a good number of African-Americans in Philadelphia are doing since the Owens-McNabb flap became the focal point of the Eagles' demise.

It's fascinating that this has spiraled way beyond the confines of a football debate. And don't tell me it hasn't, when terms such as sellout, token, company man, Uncle Tom and other racially charged ones have been thrown into the debate.

What this black-on-black verbal violence has caused me to wonder is: Who gets to determine who is truly African-American and what is or isn't a part of African-American culture?

Is McNabb only sort of black because his parents, Sam and Wilma, stayed together and raised him to act like an adult when confronted with something such as Owens' repeated criticism?

When did handling a difficult situation with class and dignity become a negative in the black community?

Is Owens a full-fledged brother now because he stood up to the man while minstrel-acting his way out of millions of dollars?

Does T.O. lose some of his street credibility because he dropped his "hard-ass brotha" act and basically begged "Massa" to take him back as soon as he realized he really was getting kicked out of the house and off the plantation?

So what is the criteria for being black?

Allen Iverson "keeps it real" because he remembers his roots growing up in the ghettos of Hampton, Va.

Kobe Bryant is labeled as fraud because he grew up in Italy and Lower Merion.

So does that mean Iverson's children eventually will be branded similarly to Bryant because they will have grown up in a wealthy lifestyle of the Main Line?

Who gets to make those determinations?

Is it Mondesire? The fellas on the corner in North Philly? The black lawyer or doctor living in Chestnut Hill?

If my father left the streets of Baltimore to serve for more than 20 years in the Army because he wanted his children to have it better than he had, does it make me less of a black man because I grew up on military bases and in the suburbs of Baltimore?

If I got scholarships for having good grades and worked a job every day so that I could afford to go to the University of Maryland, am I less black than the man who pulled himself up through the school of hard knocks?

I get e-mails all the time questioning my blackness because I work for the Daily News, because I sometimes criticize black athletes, because I don't always say what some black people want or expect me to say.

So is growing up impoverished in the inner city an absolute must to be considered "truly" black?

I grew up in a school district that was only 6 percent black and was called a "stillupfront." Would it have been more accurate had they called me "little kind-of-a-black boy lost in suburbia?"

Damn, it sure hurt like I was being called "stillupfront."

If I don't subscribe to the "thug life," does that mean I don't subscribe to the black life?

Sorry, folks, but I'm not buying that. My roots are what they are. I am what I am, African-American.

As black people, the fact that we come from so many different segments of society should be our greatest strength.

Instead, we often let our diversity and the accompanying ability to bring varying perspectives to the table be manipulated into divisive tools that we readily use against ourselves.

So maybe McNabb really is just a mediocre quarterback with a penchant for choking in big games. But how does that make him less of an African-American?

And on whose authority does someone get to decide that?

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: QB Eagles on December 11, 2005, 02:32:50 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on December 11, 2005, 02:05:24 PM
It's because the local leader of the NAACP has made it an issue recently & accused McNabb of being a "mediocre talent who "played the race card" by moving away from his roots as a running quarterback to become a traditional pocket passer".

I'm aware of what the guy said. My point is, it's obvious that Mondesire is an ignorant douchebag interjecting race into a situation where it doesn't belong, and there's no need to further explore the issue.

QuoteI grew up in a school district that was only 6 percent black and was called a "stillupfront." Would it have been more accurate had they called me "little kind-of-a-black boy lost in suburbia?"

Damn, it sure hurt like I was being called "stillupfront."

:-D
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Feva on December 11, 2005, 04:03:46 PM
QuoteIf it's a divided locker room or whatever, I can't be the one to bring everyone together and say, 'Hey look, we need to be together' -- like I'm Knute Rockne or somebody.
Hold up Donny... that's exactly what you need to be doing.

I agree that he's been getting a bad rap in the media lately and from political officials and all that, but as far as the folks in that locker room... he needs to be the, or at least one of the guys to be getting his teammates on the same page.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on December 14, 2005, 10:14:31 PM
the Philadelphia Sun article and Donovan's response, have finally made their way to ESPN.  so now it's officially a "situation".   :-X
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:16:57 PM
Has ESPN created a special graphic and music for this situation yet?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 14, 2005, 10:17:10 PM
This is what I hear in my head every time I read this shtein...

"Donovan McNabb isn't representing black people well because he speaks intelligently, doesn't call out his coaches or teammates, and is trying to become a pocket passer. This would all be just fine if he would only follow Warren Moon's footsteps and beat the shtein out of his wife. Sadly, Mr. McNabb refuses to do this and is therefore a scourge on his fellow african americans."

Try to tell me I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:19:05 PM
I believe McNabb could remedy this whole thing by wearing brighter, looser three piece suits more often. Also, a fedora.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: BigEd76 on December 14, 2005, 10:26:06 PM
"Donovan McNabb makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X"
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 14, 2005, 10:26:57 PM
No passing from the pocket without a backhand to the wife's cheek first.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:27:57 PM
What if he scowled more. Would that help?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on December 14, 2005, 10:28:38 PM
maybe the next time Irvin comes to the NovaCare to conduct an interview.  Donny can borrow a crack pipe and "accidentally" get caught with it.  but he can't ruin it by smiling in his mug shot, he has to look really high to finish the reclamation project off.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:29:47 PM
He can get James Brown to do his hair for the mugshot!
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 14, 2005, 10:32:23 PM
If I were black I would be embarrassed about all of this. Unfargingreal.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on December 14, 2005, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 14, 2005, 10:32:23 PM
If I were black I would be embarrassed about all of this. Unfargingreal.

you're not black?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:33:58 PM
He's Egyptian, so he doesn't really know what the farg he is.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on December 14, 2005, 10:35:35 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:33:58 PM
He's Egyptian, so he doesn't really know what the farg he is.

friggen terrorist
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 14, 2005, 10:36:36 PM
I bomb you good.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 14, 2005, 10:36:44 PM
This explains his obsession with burning honest Americans.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 09:42:00 AM
i find it funny how the naacp takes up for tookie but not mcnabb
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Feva on December 15, 2005, 10:00:12 AM
Well, Tookie "kept it real" by murdering 4 people and co-founding a gang.  McNabb sold out because he decided to be a pocket passer.  Hope that straightens everything out for you.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: 4and26 on December 15, 2005, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: EagleFeva on December 15, 2005, 10:00:12 AM
Well, Tookie "kept it real" by murdering 4 people and co-founding a gang.  McNabb sold out because he decided to be a pocket passer.  Hope that straightens everything out for you.

Pretty sad, is this a local (Philly) writer/"politician"?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
McNabb's obviously not black enough because he was brought up in a good home with both parents...he's well spoken and stays out of trouble with the law. Oh, and because he doesn't run enough anymore.

I'd like to add, this Mondesire farg makes me ill.

Oh, and this is now ESPN.com's FRONT PAGE story.  ::)
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Diomedes on December 15, 2005, 10:05:50 AM
Why are you quoting yourself?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 10:07:56 AM
Weird...I meant to edit and hit quote. Whoops.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on December 15, 2005, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
I'd like to add, this Mondesire farg makes me ill.

Oh, and this is now ESPN.com's FRONT PAGE story.  ::)

i'm sure it's all going according to plan for Mondesire, nobody had ever heard of him until he wrote this article.  i'm sure he figured the best way to get his name out there is to attack a prominent sports figure and use race, that's a recipe for national headlines.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MURP on December 15, 2005, 10:32:53 AM
Maybe my memory isnt serving me well, but how many of these issues has McNabb had to deal with compared to some other black QB's....  Warren Moon, Randall, Rodney Peete,  Culpepper, Vick, Brooks, McNair,  Leftwich etc.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyFan on December 15, 2005, 10:36:42 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on December 15, 2005, 10:20:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
I'd like to add, this Mondesire farg makes me ill.

Oh, and this is now ESPN.com's FRONT PAGE story.  ::)

i'm sure it's all going according to plan for Mondesire, nobody had ever heard of him until he wrote this article.  i'm sure he figured the best way to get his name out there is to attack a prominent sports figure and use race, that's a recipe for national headlines.

Exactly.  And ESPN, the Philly papers, and other media fell right for it.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: RezRob on December 15, 2005, 11:40:05 AM
I guess Leftwich is really a uncle Tom from the word go huh?

CAREER RUSHING STATS
Year  Team G  Rush Yds  Avg  Lg TD
2003  JAC  15   25   108  4.3  18 2
2004  JAC  14   39   148  3.8  17 2
2005  JAC  11   31    67   2.2   9  2
Totals: 40 95 323 3.4 18 6
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 12:03:45 PM
the Madden curse struck in full out force this year...probably the worst curse of all time
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: JTrotter Fan on December 15, 2005, 12:12:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 10:02:13 AM
McNabb's obviously not black enough because he was brought up in a good home with both parents...he's well spoken and stays out of trouble with the law. Oh, and because he doesn't run enough anymore.

I'd like to add, this Mondesire farg makes me ill.

Oh, and this is now ESPN.com's FRONT PAGE story.  ::)

I have to wonder, even though we see the "this doesn't phase me" side of McNabb in the media, how much of a toll this takes on him mentally?  I mean, if it were me, i'd be sitting at home thinking, why me?  What did i do to deserve this?  It has to effect him in some way.  And honestly, i wouldn't blame him for saying "i don't need this shtein, i'm done."  I gotta feel bad for McNabb.  Everyone wants to take shots at him and he's been nothing but GREAT for this franchise.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Phanatic on December 15, 2005, 12:16:53 PM
Well Alan Grant has a good take on this crap whoever the farg he is...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=grant/051215


Quote
By Alan Grant
Special to Page 2


I only come here when it looks bleak. And this could very well be the knell signaling the apocalypse.

Doc: Now, relax. You're overstating things.

Well, maybe. But just barely. See, people like me do our best to pick our spots on issues concerning race. If we don't, we'll all be doomed to a cartoonish existence. And this J. Whyatt Mondeshire has set us back more than gunplay at a music awards show.

Doc: So there's no merit to his statement that McNabb choked?

McNabb didn't play any worse than Kurt Warner or Jake Delhomme in their Super Bowl games. But his team, just like their teams, lost the game.

Doc: But doesn't he have a point by saying that McNabb played the "race card" when he said he doesn't scramble anymore because it hurts his credibility as a quarterback?

First of all, anyone who uses the phrase "race card" without a trace of irony is treading on moronic ice. I mean, what does that mean anyway? Racial tension is very real and should be treated with the appropriate sensitivity. When you have a country populated by literally hundreds of races and cultures, racial tension is interwoven into the very fabric of that nation. There is no "card" to be pulled out like a Joker. It's always in play.

And second, this Mondeshire ... well, he should actually, I don't know, watch a football game. Listen, Doc, you and I both know I'm a bit of snob when it comes to random folks spouting half-baked ideas about the game I love. But this guy obviously doesn't watch football. If he did he would know that it's more a matter of style. It's a pragmatic issue. Look at Michael Vick. You know he's my favorite football player. I love to see him run. But when he runs he risks injury. I'd like him to stay in the pocket longer because I want him to play longer. That's all. It's not as exciting, but he'll be around longer.

Doc: But McNabb claimed that he was going against "expectations" by not running. Perhaps this Mondeshire is upset that McNabb spoke for all black quarterbacks.

Yeah, just like Mondeshire ... man, who the hell is this cat again? And why the hell am I sitting here talking about some pompous dork who if you handed him a jockstrap probably couldn't even put it on.

Doc: Focus, focus.

Sorry. But this Mondeshire spoke for all black folks who don't know crap about football. Anyway, it's too late in the game for there to be one "race man." Jesse Jackson is no longer relevant and needs to stay away from the Eagles' camp altogether. In fact, someone should place him under house arrest. You know what everyone seems to be blind to?

Doc: What's that?

No one sees that black folks are too socially fragmented and professionally diverse to have one person effectively address the needs, concerns, and desires of an entire people. Maybe that flew 50 years ago, but not now. And how can we take seriously an organization that still contains the word "colored?" See, that just confuses white people. And that's the real issue here.

Doc: How does this have anything to do with white people?

See, whenever some fool like Mondeshire speaks for us, and from a "colored" platform, white folks don't know what to believe. And even though they don't admit it, they look to us for direction on such things. Conservative white folks -- the Bill O'Reilly types, the thinly veiled hateful types -- jump on this sort of divisiveness like hyenas on a fallen zebra carcass. You know the old divide-and-conquer is the oldest formula for defeating a people. And Mondeshire served it up on a platter.

Doc: And the white liberals?

Well, that's tougher. See, the liberals are more prone to be swayed by the reckless athletic types. They find the athletic characteristics very exotic and exciting. I think they embrace the black man who lives on the fringe, but they fail to realize that some of us have the requisite skills to make a living in more "traditional" ways. That includes black quarterbacks.

Doc: Like Steve McNair?

Exactly, Doc. You're coming along, man.

Doc: I try.

Steve McNair is a perfect example. Because like Vick, like McNabb, he ran like a deer his first few years. But as of late, age, injuries and such have made him more of a pocket passer. But you know what?

Doc: What's that?

He's still black.

Doc: Was that ever in question?

Unfortunately, it's always in question. And not by white people, either. It's these ignorant pseudo-intellectual punks like this Mondeshire cat who expend more energy attacking black people than they do affecting meaningful change. He works for an organization and a group of people who are, for all intents and purposes, dinosaurs.

Doc: And dinosaurs are extinct, right?

Yep, extinct.

Alan Grant is a regular contributor to ESPN.com and ESPN The Magazine. He is a former NFL defensive back who played college football at Stanford.





Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Wingspan on December 15, 2005, 12:21:15 PM
Quote from: MURP on December 15, 2005, 10:32:53 AM
Maybe my memory isnt serving me well, but how many of these issues has McNabb had to deal with compared to some other black QB's....  Warren Moon, Randall, Rodney Peete,  Culpepper, Vick, Brooks, McNair,  Leftwich etc.

rodney peete was either not black, or not a QB...i havent decided which.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 12:23:36 PM
if rodney peete is black then im kunta kinte
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: JTrotter Fan on December 15, 2005, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 12:23:36 PM
if rodney peete was black then im kunta kinte

Are you Levar Burton as Kunta Kinte or Dave Chappelle as Kunta Kinte?  Well?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Rome on December 15, 2005, 12:27:54 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 12:23:36 PM
if rodney peete is black then im kunta kinte

You're more like Kizzie...

:-D
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: mussa on December 15, 2005, 12:32:09 PM
I think McNabb is the type of guy to take this as fuel in the tank.  He's got more to prove next year than hes ever had.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 15, 2005, 12:38:30 PM
Are you Levar Burton as Kunta Kinte or Dave Chappelle as Kunta Kinte?  Well?

im levar burton as levar burton at farm aid in 86 introducing george strait
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyGirl on December 15, 2005, 02:57:34 PM
QuoteNAACP president outraged by McNabb column
ESPN.com news services

The national president of the NAACP said Thursday that he was outraged by comments in a column about Donovan McNabb written by the Philadelphia chapter president.

NAACP president and CEO Bruce S. Gordon responded to the controversy caused by J. Whyatt Mondesire in his Nov. 27 column for the Philadelphia Sunday Sun. Mondesire, who owns the paper, criticized the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback's leadership skills and said he "played the race card" in explaining why he no longer runs the ball.

"Whatever possessed Mondesire to take such a negative position on a positive person like McNabb is beyond me," Gordon said. "The NAACP has many civil rights issues that require our attention. Criticizing Donovan McNabb is not one of them."

Mondesire said that his column critical of McNabb was based on his opinions alone and did not necessarily reflect the position of either the local Philadelphia NAACP or that of the national organization.

Earlier in the week, McNabb responded sharply to the column, which called him "mediocre at best."

"If you talk about my play, that's one thing," McNabb told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "When you talk about my race, now we've got problems. If you're trying to make a name off my name, again, I hope your closet is clean because something is going to come out about you ... I always thought the NAACP supported African Americans and didn't talk bad about them. Now you learn a little bit more."

Gordon will try to repair some of the damage.

"In light of Mondesire's criticism it has become a personal priority of mine to set the record straight," Gordon said. "I intend to reach out to Mr. McNabb personally to offer my apology as well as my support."


McNabb's season ended last month when he decided to have surgery for a sports hernia. It's been a miserable year for the five-time Pro Bowl selection, starting with his feud with now-banished wideout Terrell Owens.

   
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: shorebird on December 15, 2005, 09:17:54 PM
Quote"Whatever possessed Mondesire to take such a negative position on a positive person like McNabb is beyond me," Gordon said. "The NAACP has many civil rights issues that require our attention. Criticizing Donovan McNabb is not one of them."

Quote"In light of Mondesire's criticism it has become a personal priority of mine to set the record straight," Gordon said. "I intend to reach out to Mr. McNabb personally to offer my apology as well as my support."

Thats great to hear. McNabb should be someone for the NAACP to be proud of.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Sgt PSN on December 15, 2005, 11:52:26 PM
I can't believe that a brutha named Whyatt would ever have the audacity to criticize someone's "blackness". 
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 16, 2005, 12:10:07 AM
My doctor told me my blackness is a little high after my last blood test.  I asked him if it was because I have a deep fryer now, and he punched me in the face. I probably deserved it.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MURP on December 16, 2005, 10:05:22 AM
Rams Tyoka Jackson talks about it (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15765909&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6)
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: BigEd76 on December 19, 2005, 10:28:13 AM
I'm Screamin' A and you're not (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/13434652.htm)

QuoteTruth be told, McNabb is not a great quarterback; he's a quarterback with great, unlimited potential.

It is no secret that the same quarterback who led the Eagles to four straight NFC championship games and one Super Bowl appearance, who passed for 3,875 yards in the 2004 season, came crashing down to earth with a big thud this season.

Balls were repeatedly underthrown or overthrown. At times, there was no rhyme or reason to his lack of production. His accuracy and timing were sporadic at best. And his subpar season coming fresh off a Super Bowl performance that ended with rumors of his having been sick, out of shape or in panic mode - regardless of their truth or falsehood - only elevated the specter of troubled times.
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The Eagles' coddling of McNabb was contagious, with every one of us at some time making excuses for his lack of production instead of focusing on him purely as a football player.

One year, it was his lack of offensive weapons. Then it was Reid's methodical, transparent strategies in pivotal situations. In the Super Bowl, it was Reid again, coupled with claims that McNabb was sick, fatigued or both. And now, after this farce of a season, McNabb's sports hernia is blamed for Philadelphia's demise.

That's not to say any of those claims were false. Nor is it to imply that McNabb is at fault.

McNabb didn't ask for anyone's preferential treatment, sensitivity or sympathy. Yet on so many occasions - especially since Limbaugh's comments in October 2003 - one could argue McNabb got it anyway.

The question is simple: Why?

The belief here is that in a quest to dismiss Limbaugh's claim that the media are "desirous that a black quarterback do well," the rather unhealthy practice of exploring all other options of fault outside of McNabb has been exercised, with McNabb being the person who's suffered most because of it.

The Eagles have gotten away with Lord knows what, because everything diverts attention from their unfathomable quest to be recognized more as salary-cap champions than anything else. Players are subjected to questions about the tumult surrounding this franchise, forced to defend McNabb, usually in fear of retribution or their own job security.

Meanwhile, McNabb's character as a teammate has come into question. He's been labeled a stooge for the organization, viewed as the good ol' boy for Reid, Joe Banner and Jeffrey Lurie. Even when it's clear that he's been victimized, he can't even embrace comfort, knowing he'll be perceived as a grown man wearing a bib: inexplicably viewed as being less of a man because of those Campbell Soup commercials with his mama, who gets as much camera time as her son.

Boy, is that cruel. It seems so unfair. So misguided. So unfortunate that Mondesire, Philadelphia's face for the NAACP, would choose to disseminate such thoughts to the masses.

Then again, that doesn't mean Mondesire started this mess.

Did Mondesire simply point out thoughts so many folks had but so few were willing to express?

It's been a couple of years since we've answered that question. Unfortunately, it may take McNabb the rest of his career to do so.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Wingspan on December 19, 2005, 10:33:26 AM
you know...this city deserves to lose when they show the mentality of that fargtard smith.


Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on December 19, 2005, 10:36:07 AM
I'd like to see Stephen write his articles and do his show with his tongue cut out and his fingers broken.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: shorebird on December 20, 2005, 07:25:47 PM
Smith is proof positive that just because you can spell, know a lot of big words, and have a good vocabulary doesn't mean your smart!!

Smith is living in his own little world.

QuoteBalls were repeatedly underthrown or overthrown. At times, there was no rhyme or reason to his lack of production. His accuracy and timing were sporadic at best.

??? The man was hurt all year. Maybe that is Smiths rhyme and reason for McNabbs lack of production.

What a farging jackass. He reminds of Don King.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 07:34:18 PM
Don King doesn't know a lot of big words, probably can't spell and doesn't have a big vocabulary. He's verbose and likes to pretend like he knows big words.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: fansince61 on December 20, 2005, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 07:34:18 PM
Don King doesn't know a lot of big words, probably can't spell and doesn't have a big vocabulary. He's verbose and likes to pretend like he knows big words.

Ya BUT he's "street" :-D
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Geowhizzer on December 20, 2005, 07:39:44 PM
It's obvious that McNabb simply isn't "black enough" for Screamin' A.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: shorebird on December 20, 2005, 07:57:31 PM
........and that proves you don't have to be smart, know how to spell, or have a big vocabulary to make a lot of money.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 20, 2005, 08:16:14 PM
Isn't that the farging truth. In fact, from what I can tell having any of those attribute precludes you from being rich... or at least being famous.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: methdeez on December 20, 2005, 08:20:08 PM
Alan Greenspan's pretty famous.
But he's too damn sexy not be, really.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 03:55:41 PM
I didnt read the article but he has lost his appeal with me.  He may have talent but his lack of desire to run in clutch situations and be a man about things turn me off. 

The way he acted with TO and comments about "people being fired" who dont follow his path make him look like a baby.  The company man line people talk about with him almost look true.

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyGirl on December 23, 2005, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 03:55:41 PM
I didnt read the article but he has lost his appeal with me.  He may have talent but his lack of desire to run in clutch situations and be a man about things turn me off. 

The way he acted with TO and comments about "people being fired" who dont follow his path make him look like a baby.  The company man line people talk about with him almost look true.



You're as dumb now as you were the last time you posted here.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 04:43:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 23, 2005, 04:40:55 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 03:55:41 PM
I didnt read the article but he has lost his appeal with me.  He may have talent but his lack of desire to run in clutch situations and be a man about things turn me off. 

The way he acted with TO and comments about "people being fired" who dont follow his path make him look like a baby.  The company man line people talk about with him almost look true.



You're as dumb now as you were the last time you posted here.
Right right.

How is that dumb? 

I guess this board is all shteinen talk now, thats all I ever read when i stop over. 
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 23, 2005, 05:00:07 PM
I'm curious about Donovan has to do to get people to get off his back?

Take an under-talented offense deep into the playoffs for 4 straight years?
Be named to numerous pro-bowls?
Take the team to the Superbowl, basically singlehandedly, for the first time in over 20 years?
Handle a situation where his coach won't give him any help by establishing a running game like a pro?
Handle a situation where his most talented weapon is a farging assbag and a coward like a man?

Yeah, I'm sick of Donovan too. How boring. I wish he would talk shtein about the coach and the ownership and whine and piss and moan about everything. Then I would love him.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 05:02:50 PM
Hes fine on the field rjs, its off the field.

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Beermonkey on December 23, 2005, 05:16:01 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 05:02:50 PM
Hes fine on the field rjs, its off the field.


What's he done off the field? This guy has been unfairly attacked from every conceivable angle &  the harshest thing he's said is "keep my name out of your mouth". I've never seen him angry, combative or disrespectful, yet fans keep trying to drag him down.

If people want to criticize his play, great, there's a lot to talk about.  But trying turn aspects of his play into some kind of social/racial issue has become the ticket to media notoriety.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 05:18:57 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on December 23, 2005, 05:16:01 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 05:02:50 PM
Hes fine on the field rjs, its off the field.


What's he done off the field? This guy has been unfairly attacked from every conceivable angle &  the harshest thing he's said is "keep my name out of your mouth". I've never seen him angry, combative or disrespectful, yet fans keep trying to drag him down.

If people want to criticize his play, great, there's a lot to talk about.  But trying turn aspects of his play into some kind of social/racial issue has become the ticket to media notoriety.


The line within the last month about people who dont go along with him and the FO getting fired.  That speaks volumes.  Hes a pretty stand up guy and great QB but dont you think he getting babied along by Reid?  They do all the dirty work while he just sits there. 
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 23, 2005, 05:40:46 PM
I don't think that, and I think it's a pretty ignorant assumption based on speculation and a lack of evidence.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on December 23, 2005, 06:09:47 PM
Like beermonkey said, I think there's a whole hell of a lot more to talk about with McNabb ON the field, than off.

On the field he's a leader who for several years took an offense with nothing and made it work, but he's got a ton of faults as a QB. Inaccuracy, inability (or unwillingness) to run when there is wide open field in front of him, a lackadaisical approach to late-game situations, blah blah blah. Off the field the guy is a role model who has never said a bad thing about his team, his teammates or anyone else.

If players on the team can't respect that then they are punks. Period. Too young and too rich and too full of themselves to know how lucky they are to have a guy like him as their teammate and leader.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Beermonkey on December 23, 2005, 06:38:11 PM
Quote from: StevieLeftCollege on December 23, 2005, 05:18:57 PM
The line within the last month about people who dont go along with him and the FO getting fired.  That speaks volumes.  Hes a pretty stand up guy and great QB but dont you think he getting babied along by Reid?  They do all the dirty work while he just sits there. 
You mean this one?

QuoteQ: Are you amazed at some of the things said about you?

A: "I am. We were laughing and joking about it a couple of days ago. It seems like everybody who seems to take a shot at me either loses their job (laughing) or more things are found out about them that they don't want people to know. So (laughing), I think now people are hesitant about bringing my name out of their mouth now. Hey, I tried to tell them ..But you know what? We can sit back and laugh about that but it doesn't have to be like that."

If so, I think you're drinking too many car bombs & are taking it way out of context.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2005, 07:29:13 PM
Even if what Donovan said was malicious then shouldn't he get a free pass? I mean, that would be the first ridiculous remark that the guy has made in his tenure in Philadelphia. Contrary to what some other players have done and said I'd say that one stupid comment in 7 years doesn't make him a bad person.

And so what if he's "babied" by Reid? Peyton is babied. Brady is babied as well as other star players.

But I do not believe that is the case. It appears as if he's babied because he doesn't bite on the controversial stuff. He just lets it go most of the time. Thats the way the guy is and I cannot fault the guy for being like that.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: fansince61 on December 23, 2005, 07:35:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2005, 07:29:13 PM

And so what if he's "babied" by Reid? Peyton is babied. Brady is babied as well as other star players.


Being babied is good...remember "life is uncertain..eat desert first" :yay
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 23, 2005, 10:24:53 PM
mcnabb is too nice...and thats the problem...he lacks something inside that can take him from very good/great player to a special player
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Diomedes on December 23, 2005, 11:05:04 PM
He's just not hard.  Never was, never will be.  Peyton is pretty hard at times.  You're a Colt, you know who's boss.  Doens't mean he acts like it all day, but you understand the situation.  It may be similar with the Eagles--obviously it's McNabb's team--but its certainly not because Donovan ever smacks a bitch.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Feva on December 24, 2005, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 23, 2005, 10:24:53 PM
mcnabb is too nice...and thats the problem...he lacks something inside that can take him from very good/great player to a special player
Yet... you're one of the main people who screamed about getting rid of T.O.  He wasn't nice at all.  He was infact, the opposite of nice.  He was a farging icehole this year.  That didn't make you happy?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 24, 2005, 10:31:58 PM
Yet... you're one of the main people who screamed about getting rid of T.O.  He wasn't nice at all.  He was infact, the opposite of nice.  He was a farging icehole this year.  That didn't make you happy?

TO has everything mcnabb needs but unfortunatley he also has a lot of what no one wants

mcnabb is the better human being TO is the better pro athlete...in a nut shell their difference can be summed up with TO doing the ray lewis dance and mcnabb doing the michael jackson dance
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 24, 2005, 10:37:10 PM
The age-old murder vs molestation debate.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on December 24, 2005, 10:53:32 PM
pretty much

i mean do you want someone on your team killing the opponent or tickling them
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on December 25, 2005, 08:41:44 PM
I'd rather all the murderers be on the defense. Get Simatickler outta here.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: shorebird on December 25, 2005, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 23, 2005, 11:05:04 PM
He's just not hard. Never was, never will be. Peyton is pretty hard at times. You're a Colt, you know who's boss. Doens't mean he acts like it all day, but you understand the situation. It may be similar with the Eagles--obviously it's McNabb's team--but its certainly not because Donovan ever smacks a bitch.
Manning gets more atttention just because of what Dio says, he's more vocal and call most all his own plays. I'd like to see how Manning would do with Pinky and Thrash to throw to for three years straight.

It gets me how most people think Manning is such a great qb compared to McNabb when Manning has had ten times the talent on offense that McNabb has had and never won a championship game or went to the Superbowl. He just throws interceptions in big games. Only thing Manning has over Dmac are greater players around him and numbers.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: stillupfront on December 27, 2005, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: shorebird on December 25, 2005, 10:56:24 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 23, 2005, 11:05:04 PM
He's just not hard. Never was, never will be. Peyton is pretty hard at times. You're a Colt, you know who's boss. Doens't mean he acts like it all day, but you understand the situation. It may be similar with the Eagles--obviously it's McNabb's team--but its certainly not because Donovan ever smacks a bitch.
Manning gets more atttention just because of what Dio says, he's more vocal and call most all his own plays. I'd like to see how Manning would do with Pinky and Thrash to throw to for three years straight.

It gets me how most people think Manning is such a great qb compared to McNabb when Manning has had ten times the talent on offense that McNabb has had and never won a championship game or went to the Superbowl. He just throws interceptions in big games. Only thing Manning has over Dmac are greater players around him and numbers.

And a great o-line.

Donovan doesn't seem to let everyone know when he is hurt. That can disguise his supposed reluctance to run. Kind of like Napoleon wearing a red jacket in battle. 
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: StevieLeftCollege on January 08, 2006, 03:19:00 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on December 23, 2005, 04:40:55 PM
You're as dumb now as you were the last time you posted here.

:boo
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: BigEd76 on January 08, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
A comment from Don McKee today:

QuoteWould you take Vince Young over Donovan McNabb right now?

If you even have to think about it, the answer should be yes. Because if a five-time all-pro who is only 29 is not light years ahead of a college junior, then the all-pro is doing something vastly wrong.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Feva on January 08, 2006, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 08, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
A comment from Don McKee today:

QuoteWould you take Vince Young over Donovan McNabb right now?

If you even have to think about it, the answer should be yes. Because if a five-time all-pro who is only 29 is not light years ahead of a college junior, then the all-pro is doing something vastly wrong.

Anyone who actually would have to think about that is a complete and utter moron.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: General_Failure on January 08, 2006, 08:32:57 PM
Rookies are the way to go. They always pan out and become superstars. Everyone knows this, it's a proven fact.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MDS on January 08, 2006, 08:37:23 PM
Frankley, I would prefer we just let Antwaan Randle-El play QB. Sure he has no arm, but he'll break one or two exicting plays per game and thats what matters.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: The BIGSTUD on January 08, 2006, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 08, 2006, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 08, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
A comment from Don McKee today:

QuoteWould you take Vince Young over Donovan McNabb right now?

If you even have to think about it, the answer should be yes. Because if a five-time all-pro who is only 29 is not light years ahead of a college junior, then the all-pro is doing something vastly wrong.

Anyone who actually would have to think about that is a complete and utter moron.

I agree. Vince Young has not proven anything in the pros yet. You just suddenly ditch a QB who takes you to 4 straight NFC Championship games and a Superbowl?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 08, 2006, 09:14:52 PM
Read Bill Simmons Rose Bowl blog.  It sums up Young's passing motion beautifully.

{Paraphrasing} As if he just realized he has dog poop in his hand and is trying to fling it off.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: TexasEagle on January 08, 2006, 09:45:50 PM
Young is good, but he hasn't proven a thing in the pros. He could turn out to be another Vick with a better arm. He's got talent, but there's no telling if he can is on sundays... yet. I'd stick with McNabb without a doubt.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 08, 2006, 09:55:01 PM
Anyone who thinks that Young is going to make a viable professional quarterback has never seen him play. I can't wait for another team to draft him.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2006, 03:38:45 AM
Don McKee is a hack. He's not even a first string hack either...he picks up the scraps on WIP and gets to write a 30 word piece in the Inky once in awhile.

Cram it, Don. And your laugh is annoying too.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Zanshin on January 09, 2006, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2006, 09:55:01 PM
Anyone who thinks that Young is going to make a viable professional quarterback has never seen him play. I can't wait for another team to draft him.

I'm with you.  He looks like the prototypcial exciting collage QB whose skills and scheme don't translate well to the pros; it'll be years before he knows enough to help a team consistently...if it ever happens at all.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: methdeez on January 09, 2006, 01:38:11 PM
Quote from: EagleFeva on January 08, 2006, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 08, 2006, 07:54:26 PM
A comment from Don McKee today:

QuoteWould you take Vince Young over Donovan McNabb right now?

If you even have to think about it, the answer should be yes. Because if a five-time all-pro who is only 29 is not light years ahead of a college junior, then the all-pro is doing something vastly wrong.

Anyone who actually would have to think about that is a complete and utter moron.
Exactly. It's so obvious that you would take Young, why even ask the question?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Tomahawk on January 11, 2006, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on January 09, 2006, 08:53:12 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2006, 09:55:01 PM
Anyone who thinks that Young is going to make a viable professional quarterback has never seen him play. I can't wait for another team to draft him.

I'm with you.  He looks like the prototypcial exciting collage QB whose skills and scheme don't translate well to the pros; it'll be years before he knows enough to help a team consistently...if it ever happens at all.

That sounds like Michael (Mike?) Vick.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2006, 12:20:58 PM
youngs passing skills are light years ahead of vicks now much less when he was coming out of va tech...young right now is phillip rivers with superior running skills
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 07:52:24 AM
So he's a scrambling backup?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 07:59:01 AM
hes as good as phillip rivers right now in the pass game...difference is vince has never had pro coaching...in fact hes had horrible coaching from wack brown...id take vince young in a heartbeat over leinert...leinert is scott mitchell...young has the potential to be a qb who can throw like donovan and run like vick...id take the higher ceiling i this case
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 08:12:45 AM
I still wish Mack was the UNC coach... :-\
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 08:26:32 AM
no you dont....hes the worst coach in college football and maybe all of sports
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 08:29:13 AM
You've obviously not watched much UNC football. ;D
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on January 12, 2006, 08:31:16 AM
so, Andy Reid>Mack Brown?
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 08:35:43 AM
the contents of andy reids colon>mack brown

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on January 12, 2006, 08:36:48 AM
yucky
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 08:39:35 AM
Vince Young is going to blow.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 12, 2006, 08:41:11 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 08:39:35 AM
Vince Young is going to use blow.

Probably.  Especially if he's drafted by the Cowboys.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 08:41:17 AM
he might....and leinert might blow to...but vince young could also be john elway...and thats what im going after
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 08:43:40 AM
I'm not passing judgement on Leinart. I didn't see him play much and he was surrounded with more talent than a few professional QBs, but Young is an awesome athlete with nothing else going for him as a QB.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 08:51:58 AM
why tho...youngs arm is infinitely stronger...he can move better obviously...had the same completion % as leinert...a better passer rating...only two less touchdowns and he didnt have the luxury of doing it with a pro offense around him

its virtually impossible to judge what any qb will do as a pro...but i dont see one attribute where leinert has an advantage over young at least not a clear advantage
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Feva on January 12, 2006, 08:53:43 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 08:51:58 AM
why tho...youngs arm is infinitely stronger...he can move better obviously...had the same completion % as leinert...a better passer rating...only two less touchdowns and he didnt have the luxury of doing it with a pro offense around him

its virtually impossible to judge what any qb will do as a pro...but i dont see one attribute where leinert has an advantage over young at least not a clear advantage

Good points.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 08:54:10 AM
Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: SunMo on January 12, 2006, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 08:54:10 AM
Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.

so was Randal's

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 08:59:36 AM
College QBs with no future have huge years all the time. Andre Ware threw for over 700 yards in one game the year he won the Heisman. Completion % and mobility in college do not a good pro QB make.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:01:03 AM
I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful


fran tarkenton says hi!...from the hall of fame

you know how many qb's come into the league and have their mechanics adjusted...as if wack brown is going to coach up vince youngs throwing motion...the point is vince young has the ability to make throws that leinert can only dream of...and young unlike vick has been accurate in college

young might flop leinert might flop...they both might be good...but young is the one that has a chance to be special...and to tell him to switch to another skill position is insulting...should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move

Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 09:01:44 AM
Quote from: Sun_Mo on January 12, 2006, 08:55:41 AM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 08:54:10 AM
Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.

so was Randal's



And?  He was a heave-ho guy, just like Culpepper.  Point is, Young's delivery is much closer to Bernie Kosar than John Elway.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Zanshin on January 12, 2006, 09:02:22 AM
You know, I think Young will struggle in the pros...but it's pointless to argue about it-- because even if he sucks, people won't readily admit it.  I mean, I didn't think Vick would be any good...and he's not.  And yet people are still drooling all over Vick.  How many people has Vick gotten fired?  How much success has he really had?  And yet, there are still people who rank him as a top QB.  Pointless.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 09:02:39 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:01:03 AM
should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move

I don't know, but that would be awesome.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: MadMarchHare on January 12, 2006, 09:03:36 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:01:03 AM
I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful


fran tarkenton says hi!...from the hall of fame

you know how many qb's come into the league and have their mechanics adjusted...as if wack brown is going to coach up vince youngs throwing motion...the point is vince young has the ability to make throws that leinert can only dream of...and young unlike vick has been accurate in college

young might flop leinert might flop...they both might be good...but young is the one that has a chance to be special...and to tell him to switch to another skill position is insulting...should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move


I don't know about insulting.  His mobility and quicks would serve him well as a receiver, or even a back.  I hope you're not assuming this is a racist statement.  He's had good accuracy at the college level.  Bully for him.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:03:53 AM
College QBs with no future have huge years all the time. Andre Ware threw for over 700 yards in one game the year he won the Heisman. Completion % and mobility in college do not a good pro QB make

andre ware wasnt mobile and he threw for a zillion yards because houston had a video game offense

vince young didnt have a huge year...hes had two great years (out of three)...as good as leinerts but without all the weapons
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Zanshin on January 12, 2006, 09:04:54 AM
Jets might do that.  Shoot they took a kicker with their top pick last year.  I can hear it now:  "With the fourth pick, the New York Jets select...punter Matt Leinart, USC.  That's right....punter."
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: mussa on January 12, 2006, 09:05:26 AM
im too lazy to go back, but why are u guys argueing about two players who will never be drafted by the eagles.   ::)
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: Zanshin on January 12, 2006, 09:08:25 AM
To me, the difference between Leinart and Yound doesn't lie with inherent talent, but within the system they played in.  Leinart played in a system ready-made for the pros, and he's proven to be a very good game manager.  Young ran a lot of option, and used his athletic ability to make things happen and make up for the lack of talent around him.  Now, you could say the same was true of McNabb.  But, in general, Young is the swing for the fences pick and Leinart is the safer bet with the lower ceiling.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:12:12 AM
I hope you're not assuming this is a racist statement

not at all...but why can vince young not be a great qb....but fran tarkenton john elway phillip rivers jim mcmahon kelly stouffer billy joe tolliver all qbs who had unorthodox throwing motions coming out of college could

and the vick young comparisons need to stop...vince young is a qb...vick truly was an athlete playing qb...there arent even close to being the same college player
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:12:12 AM
not at all...but why can vince young not be a great qb....but fran tarkenton john elway phillip rivers jim mcmahon kelly stouffer billy joe tolliver all qbs who had unorthodox throwing motions coming out of college could


Only two of those QBs were even close to great. Funky deliveries don't guarantee failure, but those who have them and succeed are the exception, not the rule.

By the way, I'm arguing for the sake of arguing now. I don't actually give a shtein. i hope they both fail. In fact I hope that every player chosen in the first round who doesn't go to the Eagles flops on their face.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:26:20 AM
those are qb's with abnormal throwing motions that never changed...there are lots of qb's that have their motions changed by coaching

and truth be told immobile qb's with weak arms that turn out great are the exception so why is leinert an nfl qb but vince young has to play wr...no ones answered that yet

you can change a throwing motion in a couple mini camps...but unless your coach is oscar goldman you cant get a stronger arm and a couple new legs
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2006, 09:34:39 AM
Thus far, you're the only person that I've come across who believes Leinart has a weak arm so I'm not sure that's a valid point, but whatever.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 09:40:12 AM
you heard it here first dog...but really all you had to do was watch him
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on January 12, 2006, 10:12:01 AM
Don't try to take credit for that, IGY.  The national sports media has been all over the perceived/possible weakness of Leinart's arm as a possible deterrent to his future in the NFL.  You didn't say it first, second, fifth, or eightyth.
Title: Re: Donovan Speaks
Post by: ice grillin you on January 12, 2006, 10:14:44 AM
whatever...ive been on that since his pop warner days