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QuoteMcNabb, Eagles should part ways ASAP
QB's inability to win big game, win over fans means he needs a fresh start
COMMENTARY
By JT the Brick
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 11:00 p.m. ET Nov. 16, 2005
Philadelphia fans have already started to panic and many of them are finished backing Donovan McNabb as the starting quarterback of the Eagles.
He has lost several big games throughout his career, including the Super Bowl and several NFC championship games, but the Monday night loss to Dallas might be the one that takes him the longest to live down. The stage was set for the Eagles to put all of the Terrell Owens talk behind them and climb back into the playoff race, but the house of cards came crashing to the ground with under five minutes to play as Philadelphia blew a 13-point lead an ended up losing to their hated rival 21-20.
McNabb has thrown 66 interceptions in the regular season throughout his seven-year professional career, but none was more dramatic than Monday night's telegraphed laser beam that put the Cowboys in a tie for first place in the NFC East with the NY Giants. That is the type of mistake you make when you playing on the road in a meaningless preseason matchup, not in a must-win game in front of your home fans that could make or break the entire season.
That pick ranks only behind the one that McNabb threw to Ronde Barber of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on January 19, 2003 at Veterans Stadium that resulted in a 92-yard touchdown with 3:12 left in the NFC championship game. The Eagles ended up losing to the Bucs 27-10 and missed a chance at winning Super Bowl XXXVII. Speaking of the Super Bowl, McNabb also blew Philadelphia's chance at winning its first football championship since 1960 by throwing three interceptions against New England last year.
Could it be that Donovan McNabb just might not be able to win the big game? That is nothing to be ashamed of, just ask Charles Barkley, Ernie Banks or even Peyton Manning what it feels like to chase a championship ring and come up short every time. My questions is, might McNabb be better off playing for a different team with a fan base that might embrace him and encourage him to push on after coming up short so many times in his already painful career?
I had a blast talking to football fans around the country who want Donovan to bolt Philadelphia and end up in their city. Even though McNabb signed a $115-million contract in 2002 through the year 2010, fans in other NFL markets want McNabb to reconsider his future in Philly. A Tampa Bay Buccaneer fan tried to convince me that McNabb could run Jon Gruden's west coast offense along with Joey Galloway, Michael Clayton and Cadillac Williams. Detroit Lions fans, who are sick and tired of losing, would love to see McNabb in the Honolulu Blue throwing passes to Mike Williams, Roy Williams and Charles Rodgers. A die-hard Detroit fan proposed a blockbuster trade to the Motor City that would only help secure the job status of general manager Matt Millen and head coach Steve Mariucci. Think of McNabb playing in Baltimore for Brian Billick as he opens up his playbook for his new quarterback who could count on Ray Lewis and the rest of that defense to deliver for him in big games.
If I were McNabb, I would do anything in my power to get out of Philadelphia and play for a fan base that appreciates me more. McNabb has played the entire 2005 schedule with a serious sports hernia injury and has had to deal with all of the media distractions that come with being associated with Owens. That should be enough to get a free pass from his hometown fans, but they continue to pile on.
Philadelphia is a great sports town because they hold their professional athletes accountable for their actions on and off the field, but they are the worst group of sports fans when it comes to kicking their own while they are down. The Eagles are all but done this season and I am sure McNabb will continue to work his tail off to recover from his injuries so that he can lead his team back to the playoffs and maybe even the Super Bowl next season.
I feel sorry for McNabb because we should all be able to see the writing on the wall. The fans who booed Santa Claus and Mike Schmidt are the same ones who cheered while Michael Irvin laid motionless on the ground at Veterans Stadium back in 1999. The only way McNabb can win over the die-hard fans of Philadelphia is by winning a Super Bowl and his best chances for doing that might be in his rear view mirror.
boring.
There..I bolded it so you can grasp the concept... :P
farg JT the farging Brick. He's a cork sucker. His stupid farging Raider loving opinions...farg him, farg his family and farg dallas.
JT the Brick...farg him. There's only one real brick...that's Vick the brick Jacobs. "Good eeeevning spooooorts fans".
farg JT.
I bet IGY agrees with this article.
I bet IGY printed it out and rubbed it all over himself.
Quote from: BigEd76 on November 17, 2005, 01:03:07 AM
There..I bolded it so you can grasp the concept... :P
like even thats gonna get me to read
so basically when your sports team fail miserably your suppossed to be happy, and cheer after you just blew x amount of dollars on a game. they still get paid though. right.. happy happy happy.
thats like cheering on your kids after they bomb out on their report card. good job son, heres money for something that i dont need to know about cuz im happy happy happy.
I heard him talking about this subject while on my way to work tonight. I only listen to him off and on but I did hear him say that he used to be a Giants fan and switched to being a Raiders fan. He also said that going to a Raiders game is the best experience in pro sports and that no other venue in the US is better than the Raiders on gameday sitting with the BlackHole convicts. So he lost credibility with me there...
But I do agree that a lot of fans do not embrace McNabb and that many people take him for granted.
It bothers the hell out of me how badly the guy is treated by some in this city. Sure he deserves criticism and deserves to get booed once in awhile (Monday night especially) but I'm tired of hearing how he has no heart and tired of hearing radio and TV people saying that he is garbage.
I guess the haters forgot what the pre-McNabb days were like.
I bet IGY agrees with this article.
partly
i think reid should go first
i like mcnabb...but...and this is the truth...i said to my seatmates right after the game monday that he is essentially done in this town....no one will ever forget this game and his every mistake from here on out will be magnified ten fold in the city
the dallas game is just another in a long line of big games that ended with a mcnabb pick...yeah we can all give a reason/excuse as to why he does it but the fact is that is his legacy right now and i dont think he is the kind of guy that can overcome what he is going to face in terms of pressure from the fanbase that he will now face
Bring back Kotite and Hoying!
Ahaha. Thanks for posting that drivel. I needed a good laugh.
:-D
I don't think McNabb is done in this town at all. He's still the franchise.
He's a great QB. He also chokes a lot in big-game situations. Those are just the facts. It might be that he never leads the Eagles to a ring, but I'd rather have a QB capable of doing great things who is prone to the choke than a zesty QB who never even gets the Eagles to a big game where they are capable of choking. The retards on WIP don't speak for the city.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 17, 2005, 05:40:19 AM
But I do agree that a lot of fans do not embrace McNabb and that many people take him for granted.
It bothers the hell out of me how badly the guy is treated by some in this city. Sure he deserves criticism and deserves to get booed once in awhile (Monday night especially) but I'm tired of hearing how he has no heart and tired of hearing radio and TV people saying that he is garbage.
I guess the haters forgot what the pre-McNabb days were like.
I have to agree. I also believe that it is absurd to suggest that McNabb is done in Philadelphia. If he comes back next season healthy and has a big year - and the Eagles soar as a result - who will dwell on a bad play here or there? Even the greatest quarterbacks have had rough performances in big games, and no one wins all the time. You have to look at the overall career - the complete package. But I guess a lot of people can't step back and do that - they look at the last game, or the last play, and lose all sense of proportion.
I've watched the Eagles for over 40 years now. Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback they've had during that period (Norm Van Brocklin and Sonny Jurgensen were before my time - and Donovan has had more quality seasons for the Eagles than Sonny had). Randall Cunningham was exciting to watch, for sure, but he wasn't as complete a QB, and certainly wasn't the leader that Donovan McNabb is. Ron Jaworski? Yep, I liked him because he wasn't as physically blessed as a McNabb or Cunningham but got the most out of what he had. Not in Donovan's league. Roman Gabriel? He was on the downside by the time he arrived in Philadelphia, and had only one quality season for a team that went 5-8-1. Norm Snead? King Hill? Pete Liske? Um, I don't think so.
This has been a tough season. It isn't over yet, and regardless, the Eagles will be back and so will Donovan McNabb. Let's not allow the hysteria-mongers to get us down!
i dont think hes literally done as in they should or will trade him...cause thats obviously not going to happen...im just saying every pass he throws from here on out will be under the philly fan magnifying glass...and only certain players can handle that...mcnabb is clearly not one...when things are going great hes mr happy go lucky almost to an annoying level...but the second there is even an inkling of trouble or a tough situation mcnabb folds like an accordian...and from here on out the fans are going to make it tough on him like never before...im not saying hes going to get booed every single play or not cheered when he does well...but plays that used to get no response will now get a grumble...and plays where the crowd used to grumble will now be boos...boos will now be venom...and mcnabb cant handle stuff like that...for god sakes hes still brings up the draft
sehorn
barber
manning
clark
williams
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Quote from: Fan_Since_64 on November 17, 2005, 08:07:19 AMI've watched the Eagles for over 40 years now. Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback they've had during that period (Norm Van Brocklin and Sonny Jurgensen were before my time - and Donovan has had more quality seasons for the Eagles than Sonny had). Randall Cunningham was exciting to watch, for sure, but he wasn't as complete a QB, and certainly wasn't the leader that Donovan McNabb is. Ron Jaworski? Yep, I liked him because he wasn't as physically blessed as a McNabb or Cunningham but got the most out of what he had. Not in Donovan's league. Roman Gabriel? He was on the downside by the time he arrived in Philadelphia, and had only one quality season for a team that went 5-8-1. Norm Snead? King Hill? Pete Liske? Um, I don't think so.
Thanks for putting this discussion in some perspective.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 08:16:24 AM...for god sakes hes still brings up the draft
And every time he does, I love him a little less. What a bitch thing to do. As though he doesn't know what happened that day. Little baby.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 08:16:24 AMbut the second there is even an inkling of trouble or a tough situation mcnabb folds like an accordian.
There aren't many tougher situations than 4th-and-26 in the playoffs.
I like the guy. And it's probably not fair that he gets the criticism he gets. Then again, he gets worship from another segment that he also doesn't deserve. It all comes out in the wash.
At the end of the day, he gets to play a game for a living and he cashes extremely large checks to do so. There's only so bad I can really feel for the guy.
There aren't many tougher situations than 4th-and-26 in the playoffs
that isnt tough because there are no expectations...not a person alive thought they were going to make that including the players and coaches
not throwing the ball to roy williams chest was infinitely easier than making the 4th and 26 yet he was able to pull off the 4th and 26....think about it
The problem is that McNabb has to do everything. 1 season he gets a great WR in TO and look what happens. Now he has some injuries, Reid doesnt use any run game for most of the year, he is throwing to WR's who basically have no experience and the Oline is inconsistent. I dont know if any QB in the NFL could succeed in that situation.
The fact that Donovan has done as much as he has, with the tools available to him, makes him a fantastic QB. He has had some poor decisions/plays in big spots but with some of the situations the team has been in, I have a hard time balming him. He gets blame for the Superbowl and for this week's loss. Other than that, he's been fantastic. These fickle mushheads need to smarten up, quick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 09:06:57 AM
There aren't many tougher situations than 4th-and-26 in the playoffs
that isnt tough because there are no expectations...not a person alive thought they were going to make that including the players and coaches
Utter, utter horsecrap. In the context of the whole game, considering what happened at home against Tampa in the playoffs the previous year, he'd have been crucified if they'd lost at home in the playoffs, not having even reached the Championship Game. Saying he wasn't under pressure in that situation is ridiculous.
Utter, utter horsecrap. In the context of the whole game, considering what happened at home against Tampa in the playoffs the previous year, he'd have been crucified if they'd lost at home in the playoffs, not having even reached the Championship Game. Saying he wasn't under pressure in that situation is ridiculous.
this is true but in his mind before that play even happened he had already lost it as there was no way they were going to make it...thus no pressure
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 09:06:57 AM
There aren't many tougher situations than 4th-and-26 in the playoffs
that isnt tough because there are no expectations...not a person alive thought they were going to make that including the players and coaches
Utter, utter horsecrap. In the context of the whole game, considering what happened at home against Tampa in the playoffs the previous year, he'd have been crucified if they'd lost at home in the playoffs, not having even reached the Championship Game. Saying he wasn't under pressure in that situation is ridiculous.
he's not saying that, he's saying that exact play, there was no expectations, everyone in the stadium knew the game was over, we were all just waiting for the final gun. what happens if that play is 4th and 6, instead of 26?
anytime your season is on the line there is pressue. How you can possibly pretend otherwise is hilarious.
PREPOSTEROUS!
anytime your season is on the line there is pressue
but it wasnt on the line.....its was over....which is why 4th and 26 was referred to as a miracle
Obviously the game wasnt over. hence the outcome.
Quote from: MURP on November 17, 2005, 09:22:52 AM
Obviously the game wasnt over. hence the outcome.
HOLLA!
personally. i dont see mcnabb right now as a "great quarterback. he's good...very good. but there have been many times where he's come up small in big spots. does that mean he never will come up big? no. not at all. but right now, say in the next game he plays...it's the 4th quarter 3 minutes left, they have to go 60 yards for a FG. do you have absolute faith the birds will get that FG? at this point i dont.
he has a history of brainfarts in huge spots. just this season alone, there are
Dallas game, we just saw it.
Washington game, again, no need to remind.
Denver Game, threw an INT in the red zone when they were 7 points from a tie game.
there's the superbowl.
2003 vs San Fran, an INT in overtime, set up a GW FG by the niners.
2003 NFCCG Fumbles the ball to lead to pathers 1st TD. then procedes to throw 2 INTs on the next series.
to me he is a very good QB, his overall record as a starter speaks for himself. but in tight situations, he does not come up as clutch.
his overall record as a starter is (not counting 1999, but includes playoffs) - 66-26
his record in games decided by a FG or less is (not counting 1999, but includes playoffs) - 12-9
again...he's very good...but not great. yet.
(no need to ::) this post. i am not saying he should be replaced at all.)
Quote from: MURP on November 17, 2005, 09:07:49 AM
The problem is that McNabb has to do everything. 1 season he gets a great WR in TO and look what happens. Now he has some injuries, Reid doesnt use any run game for most of the year, he is throwing to WR's who basically have no experience and the Oline is inconsistent. I dont know if any QB in the NFL could succeed in that situation.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2005, 09:10:59 AM
The fact that Donovan has done as much as he has, with the tools available to him, makes him a fantastic QB. He has had some poor decisions/plays in big spots but with some of the situations the team has been in, I have a hard time balming him. He gets blame for the Superbowl and for this week's loss. Other than that, he's been fantastic. These fickle mushheads need to smarten up, quick.
Agreement orgasms everywhere!
My opinions are rather boner inducing. Gross.
if mcnabb had made just one nfc championship game or even two and got beat by superior teams but played well then fine...but they guy has made five of them all against inferior teams some of them much inferior and hes played poorly pretty much in all of them...at best hes been average and even in those games hes had a chance to win and simply didnt do it
hes good to a certain point on pure talent but he doesnt have what it takes to take it to that next level in terms of leadership...mental toughness and heart
the question is whether his mentality is an extension of andys persona or if thats just who he is...id like to see a new coach come in and create a different atmosphere not just with the team as a whole but specifically with mcnabb before his best days are behind him to see if he has what it takes to win it all
You have to learn to count one of these days. He's made four NFC Championships.
Dude. Stop saying he's made 5 NFC Championship games. He hasn't.
Stop saying the teams they were playing were inferior. They weren't. (The Rams = better, the Bucs = as good, the Panthers = worse, but minus westbrook and with McNabb breaking a rib in the first half how are you gonna put that on him? The Falcons = inferior.)
At least make sense if you're going to stir the pot. This shtein is retarded.
Trade McNabb for Dilfer!! Dilfer has proven he can win the "big one".
What a freakin' joke. Reading some of these post I guess McNabb must be the first QB that never won the SB in his first five years.
This terrible season is all McNabb's fault. It certainly couldn't have anything to do with the year long cancer we had on the team. It definately has nothing to do with an on again- off agin defence. Play calling has been splendid this year, can't blame that. If anyone tries to blame McNabb's injuries, burn 'em! Bruised sternum, sports hernia, groin injury. Big deal. I'm sure we all could all sit at our desk and work through the pain without a problem.
Give me a break!
Everyone knows it's all Madden's fault.
Quote from: Eagles 3x on November 17, 2005, 11:15:23 AM
Trade McNabb for Dilfer!! Dilfer has proven he can win the "big one".
What a freakin' joke. Reading some of these post I guess McNabb must be the first QB that never won the SB in his first five years.
This terrible season is all McNabb's fault. It certainly couldn't have anything to do with the year long cancer we had on the team. It definately has nothing to do with an on again- off agin defence. Play calling has been splendid this year, can't blame that. If anyone tries to blame McNabb's injuries, burn 'em! Bruised sternum, sports hernia, groin injury. Big deal. I'm sure we all could all sit at our desk and work through the pain without a problem.
Give me a break!
Everyone knows it's all Madden's fault.
FYI: The way you mix sarcasm with your actual opinions makes your post completely unintelligible.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 11:16:36 AM
FYI: The way you mix sarcasm with your actual opinions makes your post completely unintelligible.
good call.
You have to learn to count one of these days. He's made four NFC Championships
semantics
rams = as good (only cause they played at home, on equal footing the eagles were better)
tampa = inferior (and much inferior at the vet in that situation)
carolina = joke
atlanta = worse than carolina
i disagree with the Rams NFCCG, they weren't supposed to win that game and they didn't
Tampa was a straight choke.
Carolina was better than people gave them credit for (they should've beaten the Eagles during the season, the kicker farged them). Westbrook was out and Donovan got hurt.
Dude, please. The Rams were better. No question. The Eagles overachieved that year and got lucky with a creampuff Chicago team in the second round of the playoffs.
The Bucs came into that game with a better game plan and a team that was clicking in every way. Earlier in the year they were worse and we all went into that game thinking that it would be a walk, but the Bucs were clearly the better team on both sides of the ball and to say that the Eagles were leaps and bounds better or that it was somehow McNabb's fault is stupid.
The Panthers were not good. McNabb got hurt. No Westbrook. Neckbeard.
McNabb is in his 7th year, right? He has accomplished a whole hell of a lot and has a whole hell of a lot of football in front of him. To say all of this nonsense about him is PREPOSTEROUS!
Rams were better.
Tampa wasn't but it wasn't as if they sucked. Their defense was incredible that season.
Carolina was inferior to the Eagles but McNabb busted a rib and the receivers got punked like bitches all game long. Plus their defense was stellar too.
Atlanta - win.
The only major choke job on Don's was against Tampa, but let's not forget that the defense shtein the bed that night as well. There's plenty of fault to go around for the past failures in big games and laying all the blame at McNabb's feet is retarded beyond belief.
i disagree with the Rams NFCCG, they weren't supposed to win that game and they didn't
they werent supposed to win only because it was at stl....but the eagles were just as good and had the ball in position to win but someone threw a pick
Carolina was better than people gave them credit for (they should've beaten the Eagles during the season, the kicker farged them). Westbrook was out and Donovan got hurt.
carolina still wasnt near as good as the eagles...the fact is mcnabb played awful
again you can make excuses for everyone of the losses but we arent talking about one game we are talking about a five year period
mcnabb is a very good qb...nothing less nothing more...something has to be changed to find out if he is a great qb...him and andy in this offense hasnt worked...its time for changes
yeah, the Tampa game wasn't a Donovan choke, it was an entire team choke. Andy got a 7 nothing lead and tried to sit on it in the 1st quarter. but we don't need to re-hash that.
IGY, stop blaming McNabb for the Rams game. Are you farging kidding me?
He's the only reason they were even IN that game. He didn't lose it. Freddie had the ball taken right out of his hands.
Blaming McNabb for that INT is farging ridiculous beyond belief.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:29:50 AM
Carolina was better than people gave them credit for (they should've beaten the Eagles during the season, the kicker farged them). Westbrook was out and Donovan got hurt.
carolina still wasnt near as good as the eagles...the fact is mcnabb played awful
i totally disagree with you there. the recievers shtein the bed that game. Donovan's my favorite Eagle, but I'm no apologist. Pinkston and Thrash both got punked by Ricky Manning Jr. and Duce dropped a beautifully thrown ball down the sidelines. Donovan had 3 picks before he got hurt, but not a single one was his fault.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on November 17, 2005, 11:30:44 AM
yeah, the Tampa game wasn't a Donovan choke, it was an entire team choke. Andy got a 7 nothing lead and tried to sit on it in the 1st quarter. but we don't need to re-hash that.
Ding.
We have a winner. :yay
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 11:32:04 AM
IGY, stop blaming McNabb for the Rams game. Are you farging kidding me?
He's the only reason they were even IN that game. He didn't lose it. Freddie had the ball taken right out of his hands.
Blaming McNabb for that INT is farging ridiculous beyond belief.
Freddie didn't have the ball taken out of his hands, Williams jumped the route, but it was pretty well known that Freddie didn't run the right route on that play.
I know Freddie ran the wrong route. However, a better WR MAKES THAT PLAY. His hands WERE on that ball.
Point remains the same. Blaming McNabb for that pick is farging retarded.
the recievers shtein the bed that game
the receivers sucked but you dont win games with your wr's...great qb's make plays and win games like that...mcnabb didnt do it...again tho maybe by itself you could go the wr's lost the game route...but again it hasnt been just one game
just look at yous pick apart FOUR different games and come up with an excuse or five for why he didnt win
and we havent even discussed the superbowl
funny thing is i actually like mcnabb....a lot...but lets be real here
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:36:16 AM
the receivers sucked but you dont win games with your wr's...great qb's make plays and win games like that...
normally, I agree with you, but you can't say that for that game. Donovan did everything he could the players around him didn't make the plays, Trash, Pinkston, Duce.
and it's the Carolina game that I am only arguing with you on, maybe a little for the Rams game, but I saw that pick the same way I saw the pick against Washington this year, 4th down play, desperate attempt. a pick is the same as an incomplete in those situations.
but give him credit for Atlanta, no mistakes, 2 TD passes, key 3rd down run to ice the game. he didn't play like Peyton Manning that game, but he played a great game for that situation.
Point remains the same. Blaming McNabb for that pick is farging retarded
you just wont ever get it...youre all to busy trying to come up with excuses as to why mcnabb is the bestest to see im not blaming him for any one pick im blaming him for not driving the team down to win that game or any of these games...again look at the big picture...a great qb at least gets to a few superbowls this decade with the eagles and should have won at least one
anyway my main point here is that a change is needed before his era is over and all this was for nothing...the one constant has been reid and mcnabb...it hasnt worked as far as getting a ring...lets try something else while they still got a chance
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:20:23 AM
carolina = joke
Riiiight. They had the best front 7 in all of football, a very adequate offense (especially the running game), and they tended to not make mistakes. They would have also beat the Eagles earlier in the season if Kasay didn't take his suck pills that morning. Hell, the guy missed a farging extra point.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:42:10 AM
Point remains the same. Blaming McNabb for that pick is farging retarded
you just wont ever get it...youre all to busy trying to come up with excuses as to why mcnabb is the bestest to see im not blaming him for any one pick im blaming him for not driving the team down to win that game or any of these games...again look at the big picture...a great qb at least gets to a few superbowls this decade with the eagles and should have won at least one
Sure, because that's what we're doing.
Here's an idea that I am sure quite a few on here will agree with. If you don't like it, leave.
Dan Marino blows.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:36:16 AM
the receivers sucked but you dont win games with your wr's...great qb's make plays and win games like that...mcnabb didnt do it...again tho maybe by itself you could go the wr's lost the game route...but again it hasnt been just one game
That has to be the absolute dumbest statement i've ever read in my life. "You don't win games with your wr's." What in the farg are you thinking? Okay, so no WR has ever helped to win a game? You are on farging crack man. What a dumb farg. Geez.
They would have also beat the Eagles earlier in the season if Kasay didn't take his suck pills that morning
well the eagles would have beaten the rams in he regular season at the vet had it not been for an opening play fumble so i guess they should have won the nfc championship game that year as well right??...dont give me that regular season nonsense...it doesnt pertain to the nfc championship game in any way
They had the best front 7 in all of football, a very adequate offense (especially the running game), and they tended to not make mistakes.
at home against carolina you MUST win that game...all things relative to that game and situation carolina was a joke...it was the reason everyone had the game banked to the eagles before it started and no revisionist history changes that
thing that hurts thru all this is that the eagles didnt lose to the 93 cowboys or the 86 giants or the 91 skins or 49ers or any historically great franchises...no they lost to the carolina panthers the tampa bay buccaneers and the friggin st louis rams...
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:42:10 AM
Point remains the same. Blaming McNabb for that pick is farging retarded
you just wont ever get it...youre all to busy trying to come up with excuses as to why mcnabb is the bestest to see im not blaming him for any one pick im blaming him for not driving the team down to win that game or any of these games...again look at the big picture...a great qb at least gets to a few superbowls this decade with the eagles and should have won at least one
Sure, because that's what we're doing.
Here's an idea that I am sure quite a few on here will agree with. If you don't like it, leave.
Dan Marino blows.
Elway sucked the big one before his last couple of seasons, too. Peyton Manning farging sucks too. And you can get that bitch Jim Kelly out of Canton too!
Dan Marino blows
marino has a ring if hes the eagles qb these last five years....period
That has to be the absolute dumbest statement i've ever read in my life. "You don't win games with your wr's." What in the farg are you thinking? Okay, so no WR has ever helped to win a game? You are on farging crack man. What a dumb farg. Geez.
wow....clean up in aisle three
i never said wr's dont "help" win games...i said they dont win games for you...qb's do...qb's have the ball in their hands every play they can rise above other areas of the team not playing well...where as a wr depends on his qb
great qb's win big games and win championships...not wr's
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 11:58:18 AM
great qb's win big games and win championships...not wr's
GET HOSTETLER, RYPIEN AND DILFER!
funny that you would mention three qb's who had weak wr corps
not to mention that each one had exactly one championship game each and they each not only went undefeated in those but also (aghast!!) were somehow able to win a superbowl
I think you meant "(gasp!!)". Duh.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:09:59 PM
funny that you would mention three qb's who had weak wr corps
not to mention that each one had exactly one championship game each and they each not only went undefeated in those but also (aghast!!) were somehow able to win a superbowl
Therefore, they are all better than McNabb, right? ??? BTW, Art Monk and Gary Clark SUCKED.
so back to the point of the thread, has PG attacked him yet?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 11:36:14 AM
I know Freddie ran the wrong route. However, a better WR MAKES THAT PLAY. His hands WERE on that ball.
Point remains the same. Blaming McNabb for that pick is farging retarded.
was freddie the only WR out on a route on that play?
mcnabb makes bad decisions, and the decision to throw there was a bad one. while it may have been a well thrown pass...the decision to throw it there was not good.
Therefore, they are all better than McNabb, right? BTW, Art Monk and Gary Clark SUCKED.
never said they were better than mcnabb...you must be running out of ammo
btw monk was on the back end of a great career but hardly struck fear into defenses at that point...clark was a good wr who had a great year...overall their wr's were ok...rypien just happened to have an unreal year
I think you meant "(gasp!!)". Duh
pump your brakes homie
Quote from: Wingspan on November 17, 2005, 12:15:34 PM
was freddie the only WR out on a route on that play?
He could have very well been the only one remotely open.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:17:50 PM
Therefore, they are all better than McNabb, right? BTW, Art Monk and Gary Clark SUCKED.
never said they were better than mcnabb...you must be running out of ammo
btw monk was on the back end of a great career but hardly struck fear into defenses at that point...clark was a good wr who had a great year...overall their wr's were ok...rypien just happened to have an unreal year
So McNabb
IS better than those QBs, even though they all won Super Bowls. You'd think, therefore, that McNabb is capable of winning one, no? Have your opinion on the Skins receivers - I think it's wrong - but they sure are better that what Donovan's had to work with over the years, TO excepted.
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on November 17, 2005, 12:15:34 PM
was freddie the only WR out on a route on that play?
He could have very well been the only one remotely open.
my point (back a few posts) is that he does not make the best decisions when it comes to crunch time. we all know, and we have all seen it...some chose to deny it.
that being said, i dont want him gone by any means. but he has plenty of weaknesses...too many to be considered great.
He could have very well been the only one remotely open
and if the wr's werent open then the rb's ran the wrong route or were covered or had a heart attack..and if that hadnt happened fraley allowed to much push up the middle...but it didnt matter cause even if he hadnt tra was like a matador on that play...yeah but andy called the wrong play anyway...oh and the stadium people convienantly turned up the air conditioning right before that play and it redirected the ball plus the artifical noise in the dome caused mcnabb not to be able to audible into a play that would have surely been a touchdown
Preposterous.
You've completely lost your mind, IGY. You made very little sense initially and were mildly amusing.
Now, you're completely out of your gord.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:27:59 PM
He could have very well been the only one remotely open
and if the wr's werent open then the rb's ran the wrong route or were covered or had a heart attack..and if that hadnt happened fraley allowed to much push up the middle...but it didnt matter cause even if he hadnt tra was like a matador on that play...yeah but andy called the wrong play anyway...oh and the stadium people convienantly turned up the air conditioning right before that play and it redirected the ball plus the artifical noise in the dome caused mcnabb not to be able to audible into a play that would have surely been a touchdown
And you accuse
ME of running out of ammo?
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 12:31:33 PM
Now, you're completely out of your gord.
I think you meant "gourd." Duh.
point is that this thread has contained every excuse in the book as to why mcnabb cant win the big game...but ive yet to hear from anyone why it couldnt be that he just isnt good enough
in the 5 biggest games of his career (4 nfc champ games + 1 super bowl), what are #5's td & int stats???
Hunt, did you really need three question makrs there? I would submit that you did not.
6 and 8
12 and 5 in the divisional and wild card rounds
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
6 and 8
12 and 5 in the divisional and wild card rounds
6 td's & 8 picks in the 5 biggest games of his life??????
that sucks.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2005, 12:38:18 PM
Hunt, did you really need three question makrs there? I would submit that you did not.
i assume you meant "marks"
Beating each other up over grammar and spelling is the best.
3 cheers for underachieving years done by Thanksgiving!
I'm totally beating everyone up. I'm just trying to add a little nonsense to this thread because it shouldn't have gotten this far. But you know, your contribution is noted.
And actually, T, I meant 'makrs' its my new favorite word. Replacing 'Comcastic.'
Meh. Now I guess I'll just make fun of Skins fans for their awful sense of humor and overall unattractiveness, rather than how much better our team is.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:35:00 PM
but ive yet to hear from anyone why it couldnt be that he just isnt good enough
OK, the bottom line is, McNabb has made mistakes before, in big games and in not-so-big games too. McNabb has had some zesty receivers. This is not an excuse, but it may be a factor as to his supposed choking. I also happen to believe he has done more good than harm to this franchise and I would like to see him continue to develop and get better with more experience. Trent Dilfer was a quarterback who was sent packing from Tampa by their fans, but then he went to a team with an awesome defense and a great running game and won a Super Bowl. John Elway is another who was accused of being a choker, but he gained experience, got a good team around him and won a couple of Super Bowls. I can easily see this happening with McNabb, but I can't see into the future unfortunately.
McNabb is not the franchise. This team has been successful primarily because of terrific defense and special teams and the winning, disciplined culture that Andy Reid brought. The offense with solid offensive line play, efficient multi-headed running attack, and McNabb's ability to make plays with his legs was the secondary reason they've been successful.
Last year, they became an even better team because McNabb finally stepped up and became a very good all around quarterback - that was largely due to a huge confidence boost from the sucess he and TO had early on. Unfortunately in the Super Bowl he still suffered from some of the same old problems that have prevented him from being a great QB.
This year, the defense and special teams just aren't what they have been, and that's magnifying the offensive problems. The TO fiasco and regular old complacency has disrupted the winning, disciplined culture Reid brought here. And McNabb getting beat up and dealing with all the TO stuff has eroded his confidence and deteriorated his play.
Someone said no other quarterback could succeed here. Well, the Eagles did go 5-1 down the stretch without McNabb in 2002. What other teams could the combo of Koy Detmer and AJ Feeley go 5-1 with? And I'm not trying to say those guys are as good as McNabb, or that anybody could succeed here. But McNabb isn't this miracle worker who has carried this team on his back the past few years like some suggest he is.
McNabb is a good, exciting football player who can do things that only a few other players in NFL history can do. But he also has some limitations that have cost his teams when it has counted the most, including coming up small in the Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl in his junior and senior years at Syracuse. Last year, up until the Super Bowl, I thought he had risen up and gotten over some of his problems. But unfortunately that just wasn't the case. I still think that he has it in him - he's a hard worker and when you're willing to learn from your mistakes and experiences it can only help you get better.
For now, he just needs to get his surgery and focus on rehabbing so he can get his body back to normal. That will be a big first step in regaining the confidence he's lost this year. From there, we can only hope that being physically 100% and having the TO mess become a distant memory will be enough for him to get over the step he tripped over in last year's Super Bowl.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 12:39:00 PM
6 and 8
12 and 5 in the divisional and wild card rounds
Call me crazy, but usually the teams you face in championship games and Super Bowls are better than the teams you face in divisional and wild card rounds.
This all comes down to Andy Reid's playcalling. We have won because of Donovan's freakish ability to make some horrible play calls work. Now that DMac is hobbling with bleeding groins and hernias, he can't make those stupid plays work. Yes, Donovan has made some awful decisions in big games, but I put more of the blame on the playcalling.
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 12:47:25 PMCall me crazy, but usually the teams you face in championship games and Super Bowls are better than the teams you face in divisional and wild card rounds.
Sure they are. But doesn't the fact that the Eagles were there kinda negate that? I mean, if the Eagles got there, then shouldn't they be worthy of the competition?
Quote from: phattymatty on November 17, 2005, 12:48:32 PM
This all comes down to Andy Reid's playcalling. We have won because of Donovan's freakish ability to make some horrible play calls work. Now that DMac is hobbling with bleeding groins and hernias, he can't make those stupid plays work. Yes, Donovan has made some awful decisions in big games, but I oput more of the blame on the playcalling.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 17, 2005, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 12:47:25 PMCall me crazy, but usually the teams you face in championship games and Super Bowls are better than the teams you face in divisional and wild card rounds.
Sure they are. But doesn't the fact that the Eagles were there kinda negate that? I mean, if the Eagles got there, then shouldn't they be worthy of the competition?
I see your point, but I don't think it is that surprising that McNabb's numbers were worse in the championship game than they were in the earlier rounds because they were, at the end of the day, playing better teams. Eg, the Eagles were pretty damn fortunate to beat Green Bay in the 4th and 26 game, but then faced a tougher team in Carolina and got beat. Therefore, the Eagles certainly were worthy of the competition, but I think there's an argument that they weren't better. Was that all down to McNabb? I don't think so.
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 12:55:05 PMI see your point, but I don't think it is that surprising that McNabb's numbers were worse in the championship game than they were in the earlier rounds because they were, at the end of the day, playing better teams.
So then how would explain the phenomenon of QBs kicking ass in play off games, posting better stats than in regular season, etc. By your reasoning, they should have more interceptions and fewer TDs because the competition is better. But that doesn't correspond to what actually happens.
I agree, the competition is tougher in post season than in regular season. Where I disagree is in the idea that consequently, you can't preform as well against them. McNabb hasn't/can't (depending on your take), that's to be sure. But others certainly have.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 17, 2005, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 12:55:05 PMI see your point, but I don't think it is that surprising that McNabb's numbers were worse in the championship game than they were in the earlier rounds because they were, at the end of the day, playing better teams.
So then how would explain the phenomenon of QBs kicking ass in play off games, posting better stats than in regular season, etc. By your reasoning, they should have more interceptions and fewer TDs because the competition is better. But that doesn't correspond to what actually happens.
I agree, the competition is tougher in post season than in regular season. Where I disagree is in the idea that consequently, you can't preform as well against them. McNabb hasn't/can't (depending on your take), that's to be sure. But others certainly have.
Better help.
You try getting past the best teams in the NFL with Thrash, Pinkston, Mitchell as your starting WR's. McNabb has
carried this team offensively through most of his career. The exception being maybe 2003 where Westbrook really broke out. When you get deep into the playoffs... teams are better equipped to handle the Philadelphia McNabbs offensively and things get ugly.
There's been 1 QB who's won a SB or even played in one who's has a worse offensive cast to work with than McNabb... and that's Dilfer. Oh, he just happened to have one of, if not the, best defenses in NFL history to bail him out.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 17, 2005, 01:01:43 PM
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 12:55:05 PMI see your point, but I don't think it is that surprising that McNabb's numbers were worse in the championship game than they were in the earlier rounds because they were, at the end of the day, playing better teams.
So then how would explain the phenomenon of QBs kicking ass in play off games, posting better stats than in regular season, etc. By your reasoning, they should have more interceptions and fewer TDs because the competition is better. But that doesn't correspond to what actually happens.
I agree, the competition is tougher in post season than in regular season. Where I disagree is in the idea that consequently, you can't preform as well against them. McNabb hasn't/can't (depending on your take), that's to be sure. But others certainly have.
I wasn't really talking about regular season games, just earlier playoff games and the only QB who's done that in recent years is Tom Brady. I don't mean it's black and white that because you are taking on tougher teams you automatically won't play as well, but I think it stands to reason that the deeper you go in the playoffs you play better defenses and opponents. I happen to think that the CG and SB defeats have been more to do with a team-wide choke and not just on McNabb and/or Reid. Again, early Elway and Peyton Manning are QBs who have performed brilliantly in earlier rounds in the post-season, then came across better teams and didn't play as well. I still believe Manning and McNabb are good enough to get over the hump with more experience and better overall teams behind them, as Elway did.
This all comes down to Andy Reid's playcalling. We have won because of Donovan's freakish ability to make some horrible play calls work. Now that DMac is hobbling with bleeding groins and hernias, he can't make those stupid plays work. Yes, Donovan has made some awful decisions in big games, but I put more of the blame on the playcalling.
which is why reid needs to go first...let someone else work with donovan
Okay. Well, obviously teams give more of a fight as you go deeper into the playoffs. And obviously, McNabb has had a lousy supporting cast. And he's been injured. And his coach makes some of the worst decisions I've ever seen in-game. So all these factors that are true mitigate McNabbs failure.
But let's not just dismiss the fact that McNabb has not overcome these when it counts most, despite his well demonstrated ability to overcome them when it counts least.
I don't even think reid needs to go, I think the way he runs the team works, I just don't want him calling the plays.
McNabb's field vision is average. That's his biggest drawback.
Quote from: phattymatty on November 17, 2005, 01:20:09 PM
I don't even think reid needs to go, I think the way he runs the team works, I just don't want him calling the plays.
Stop saying what I'm thinking and planning on saying. Ass.
Quote from: PhillyFan on November 17, 2005, 12:46:53 PM
McNabb is not the franchise. This team has been successful primarily because of terrific defense and special teams and the winning, disciplined culture that Andy Reid brought.
I'm sorry I couldn't read your post after this, you're a fargin idiot. Our Special teams eats an ass right now. Our defense only stops the run at home apparently and our hopes have always relied on how far Donny can take us. If don't see that you're an idiot.
Quote from: Diomedes on November 17, 2005, 01:19:46 PM
Okay. Well, obviously teams give more of a fight as you go deeper into the playoffs. And obviously, McNabb has had a lousy supporting cast. And he's been injured. And his coach makes some of the worst decisions I've ever seen in-game. So all these factors that are true mitigate McNabbs failure.
But let's not just dismiss the fact that McNabb has not overcome these when it counts most, despite his well demonstrated ability to overcome them when it counts least.
Not dismissing it. I was mad as hell with him for throwing that pick against Dallas (although I was more mad at Reid) and even madder with him for that dumb arse fake spike against the Skins and I think his biggest choke job in a big game came in the Super Bowl, but football's a complicated, wonderful game and there are more factors that have to be taken into consideration than "McNabb is a choke artist".
Quote from: henchmanUK on November 17, 2005, 01:25:21 PMNot dismissing it.
Yeah, I know you're not. I meant that line generally, to everyone.
Don't you people have jobs?
Quiet, hippy.
Quote from: rjs246 on November 17, 2005, 01:22:09 PM
Stop saying what I'm thinking and planning on saying. Ass.
i wish my balls weren't so huge.
Don't you people have jobs?
i do...and the best part is everyone on this board pays my salary...holla
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 01:32:12 PM
Don't you people have jobs?
i do...and the best part is everyone on this board pays my salary...holla
Yeah, well... starting tomorrow, I'm putting a stop on my donations to the Special Olympics. Thanks for the reminder.
Quote from: JailBird-man on November 17, 2005, 01:23:46 PM
I'm sorry I couldn't read your post after this, you're a fargin idiot. Our Special teams eats an ass right now. Our defense only stops the run at home apparently and our hopes have always relied on how far Donny can take us. If don't see that you're an idiot.
he wasn't talking about right now, he was talking about the entire time they've been winning, and for the most part it's the truth.
Quote from: Fan_Since_64 on November 17, 2005, 08:07:19 AM
I've watched the Eagles for over 40 years now. Donovan McNabb is the best quarterback they've had during that period (Norm Van Brocklin and Sonny Jurgensen were before my time - and Donovan has had more quality seasons for the Eagles than Sonny had). Randall Cunningham was exciting to watch, for sure, but he wasn't as complete a QB, and certainly wasn't the leader that Donovan McNabb is. Ron Jaworski? Yep, I liked him because he wasn't as physically blessed as a McNabb or Cunningham but got the most out of what he had. Not in Donovan's league. Roman Gabriel? He was on the downside by the time he arrived in Philadelphia, and had only one quality season for a team that went 5-8-1. Norm Snead? King Hill? Pete Liske? Um, I don't think so.
This has been a tough season. It isn't over yet, and regardless, the Eagles will be back and so will Donovan McNabb. Let's not allow the hysteria-mongers to get us down!
64,
You da man! Having followed this team religiously since 1971 man have we seen some scrubs at QB. How can some of these people forget the fiasco in 1991. Randall out, in comes McMahon - out, in comes Pat Ryan!!! In comes Brad Goebel, in comes Jeff Kemp. Considering DMac has never had a legit power back he's done a marvelous job over the past 6 years.
Having followed this team religiously since 1971 man have we seen some scrubs at QB. How can some of these people forget the fiasco in 1991. Randall out, in comes McMahon - out, in comes Pat Ryan!!! In comes Brad Goebel, in comes Jeff Kemp.
irrelevant played out argument that shows you dont require or expect the best of your players
I can't believe this thread got to be 6 pages long. It's the same dribble rehashed over and over.
Reid is the most winningest head coach over the last 5 seasons. No way should he be fired after this season. He is too valuable and has turned this team back into a contender virtually every single season. How you part ways with a man who has brought the Eagles to the top of the league consistently is beyond me. It's just typical doomsday negativism. Its extremely easy to be a contrarian, you know.
McNabb has heart, he has guts, and he is a great leader. I embrace him and so does a great majority of the true fanbase. I love how everyone is ragging on McNabb when he got his first playoff victory in his first year of fully starting while Peyton "I have all the records in the world" Manning got his first playoff win a couple of seasons - not to mention being in the league much longer. Oh yeah, and Peyton has always played poorly in all of their playoff losses as well. Does he have guts, is he a true leader?
What about Elway? He didn't win his two championships until the end of his career. He also had some questionable playoff games and played poorly when it counted.
It's astounding how negative some can get. Looking at the grand scheme of things McNabb has accomplished a lot for this city, and he has made the Eagles a viable contender year in and year out. No wonder we get bad media coverage, its a disgrace that some people talk about jumping ship and abandoning everything because of one zesty outcome. It should piss everyone off, but going to extreme measures is not going to solve anything.
Quote from: Eaglez on November 17, 2005, 02:10:25 PM
It's astounding how negative some can get. Looking at the grand scheme of things McNabb has accomplished a lot for this city, and he has made the Eagles a viable contender year in and year out. No wonder we get bad media coverage, its a disgrace that some people talk about jumping ship and abandoning everything because of one zesty outcome. It should piss everyone off, but going to extreme measures is not going to solve anything.
Can girls also have agreement orgasms on this board? :-D
No.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 02:12:25 PMCan girls also have agreement orgasms on this board? :-D
An agreement boner and an agreement orgasm are completely different things. Only a woman could confuse the two.
Um....the "agreement orgasm" comment has been used 1000 times on here, Dio.
I think I heard the "agreement boner" comment like twice.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 02:16:41 PM
Um....the "agreement orgasm" comment has been used 1000 times on here, Dio.
I think I heard the "agreement boner" comment like twice.
You are incorrect, ma'am.
what about agreement facials
Nah, the agreement orgasm was never used.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 24, 2005, 12:00:10 PM
More agreement orgasms for me. This is getting messy.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 29, 2005, 11:00:25 AM
Agreement orgasms... yuck! :paranoid
QuoteRe: More Whining from Westbrook
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2005, 09:05:36 AM »
Quote from: Zanshin on September 23, 2005, 09:02:47 AM
That's bullshtein. I've been a supporter of Westbrook since people were crying for more of Buckhalter...so I understand what he can do. But Davis is the same kind of back; and if you want to look at the stats, one could argue he's been more productive. Stats don't tell the whole story though. But if Davis were here, he'd be the same sort of back...and there's not a doubt in my mind about that. Westbrook is very good...but let's not get carried away. It's not like he's a guy who's going to run to get you those two yards you need on 3rd and 2. He's a piece of the puzzle, and he's good at what he does. He deserves to be paid...but the money he's been offered is good money for what he brings to the table.
I believe I just had several agreement orgasms. Gross.
Don't act like its never said.
b hop is on WIP blasting mcnabb
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 PM
b hop is on WIP blasting mcnabb
and just who the hell would that be?
b hop? Er I don't listen to WIP and have not the first clue who that is.
And I'm glad your source for your backing is WIP. ::) Says more than we needed to know about you.
Bernard Hopkins, you couldn't figure that out?
I'm clearly not nearly as smart as I claim to be. Bernard Hopkins is a household name!
Preposterous.
Brilliant!
Taking football advice from a boxer. Great appeal to authority.
And I'm glad your source for your backing is WIP
no the source is b hop...and i dont need his or anyone elses backing...i knew he didnt like mcnabb but god he really got in that ass
i believe what i believe...and for the last time im a mcnabb fan...in fact i like him quite a bit tho not nearly as much as i used too
Not only do I laugh at you for listening to WIP, but doubly so for b hop.
(http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wigger-33793.jpg)
IGY's the shtein, yo. And so's his homey.
:-D
Ah, so homey means life partner. I never knew.
IGY is "the mayor" of Eagles fans.
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 17, 2005, 02:28:44 PM
(http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/wigger-33793.jpg)
IGY's the shtein, yo. And so's his homey.
:-D
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 02:31:17 PM
IGY is "the mayor" of Eagles fans.
Mayor. Pharmasist. Doctor. Special Olympian. IGY wears a lot of hats. All of them tilted sideways.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 02:16:41 PM
Um....the "agreement orgasm" comment has been used 1000 times on here, Dio.
I think I heard the "agreement boner" comment like twice.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on November 17, 2005, 02:21:40 PM
Nah, the agreement orgasm was never used.
Quote from: rjs246 on September 24, 2005, 12:00:10 PM
More agreement orgasms for me. This is getting messy.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 29, 2005, 11:00:25 AM
Agreement orgasms... yuck! :paranoid
QuoteRe: More Whining from Westbrook
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2005, 09:05:36 AM »
Quote from: Zanshin on September 23, 2005, 09:02:47 AM
That's bullshtein. I've been a supporter of Westbrook since people were crying for more of Buckhalter...so I understand what he can do. But Davis is the same kind of back; and if you want to look at the stats, one could argue he's been more productive. Stats don't tell the whole story though. But if Davis were here, he'd be the same sort of back...and there's not a doubt in my mind about that. Westbrook is very good...but let's not get carried away. It's not like he's a guy who's going to run to get you those two yards you need on 3rd and 2. He's a piece of the puzzle, and he's good at what he does. He deserves to be paid...but the money he's been offered is good money for what he brings to the table.
I believe I just had several agreement orgasms. Gross.
Don't act like its never said.
I forgot that your sense of humor is broke. I'm sorry I tried.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 02:32:21 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 02:31:17 PM
IGY is "the mayor" of Eagles fans.
Mayor. Pharmasist. Doctor. Special Olympian. IGY wears a lot of hats. All of them tilted sideways.
I was specifically referring to this guy:
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/DTC4LIFE/1st%20Tailgate/Picture235.jpg)
Duh. My sense of humor is not broken, FF.
Quote from: General_Failure on November 17, 2005, 02:41:00 PM
Duh. My sense of humor is not broken, FF.
I obviously considered the fact that you were feigning obliviousness, but your comment didn't seem funny enough to assume that. Plus, posting a picture of "the mayor" is always good for a laugh. I didn't know the pic would be so farging big, though, since it's the one he uses for his AVATAR on the DTC message board. Haha.
i think by referring to him and "the" mayor and not "da" mayor threw him off
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 02:59:15 PM
i think by referring to him and "the" mayor and not "da" mayor threw him off
Apparently, I didn't throw him off even for a second.
So, do you look pretty much like him, but with Eagles stuff on instead of taterskins?
So, do you look pretty much like him
i wear my jersey frontwards but for the most part yes
Quote from: FFatPatt on November 17, 2005, 02:31:17 PM
IGY is "the mayor" of Eagles fans.
(http://niino.blog.tv2.hu/adat_html/24/38/243817_wigger-15513.jpg) :paranoid
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 03:15:16 PM
So, do you look pretty much like him
i wear my jersey frontwards but for the most part yes
All you crackers look the same to me anyway.
All you crackers look the same to me anyway
tru dat
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2005, 03:15:16 PM
So, do you look pretty much like him
i wear my jersey frontwards but for the most part yes
At least you can admit it. That's the first step to recovery.