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McNABB HAS SPORTS HERNIA
September 28, 2005
By BOB KENT
Donovan McNabb was diagnosed with a sports hernia, however he is expected to play Sunday against the Chiefs. The injury, which seemed to impact his mobility and may even effected his throwing mechanics in the first half Sunday, could make the Eagles' signal-caller very uncomfortable for the remainder of the season.
Head coach Andy Reid and head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder discussed McNabb's injury during a press conference on Wednesday.
"This is something you can play with. It is not comfortable," Burkholder said. "Rest does not alleviate the problem."
"As of right now, the plan is to allow him to participate in games and continue to rehabilitate it, monitor him day by day, game by game."
McNabb struggled in the opening 30 minutes of Sunday's game, but rebounded with 266 yards and two touchdowns on 19-of-28 passing in the final two quarters to lead the Eagles to a 23-20 win over Oakland.
These things linger forever.......really makes me nervous. :paranoid
This sucks. An injured McNabb is still a very good player, but... this still sucks.
farg!!
how long does it take to recover from surgery for this?
So can they operate and fix it in the off season or something?
100 million dollar man. suck it up and lets win the SB.
oh yeah, might help to establish a run game with Westy and Gordon.
Dirk had surgery for this right before the season and was good to go for week one. I'm not psyched about any direction with this. Him playing with it sucks. Him getting the surgery and healing up sucks. Also, TO sucks.
Fine, it sucks. But, come on guys...Wasnt this "offical" news just a formaility? I think its fair to say we all knew this was coming.
Whatever. I wouldnt reach for the panic button so fast. Like MURP said, as long as we can establish a solid running game, we will be fine. And I still don't see a team in this conference that can beat us.
while it sucks, someone mentioned Sheldon played a season with one and was able to tough it out. It's uncomfortable, but he'll suck it up. #5 willl be ok.
goddamnit
they have no chance to win a superbowl unless he gets surgery....you might squeak by the raiders in sept with it but you arent beating quality playoff teams
get the surgery nov 21
nov 22 thru jan 1=gb, sea, nyg, @stl, @arz, wash
while i wasnt before. i am now on the side of sitting mcnabb to get the surgery now, instead of playing through it.
Duce played all but 2 games with one in 1998.
I have to agree with IGY on this. If he can get through the next month or so with it, get the surgery when the games are weaker. Be ready for the playoffs.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
they have no chance to win a superbowl unless he gets surgery....you might squeak by the raiders in sept with it but you arent beating quality playoff teams
get the surgery nov 21
nov 22 thru jan 1=gb, sea, nyg, @stl, @arz, wash
I was actually thinking that too, IGY. Let Donovan set the table for the later/easier part of the schedule, and then get him back to 100% before the playoffs.
can he hurt it worse by playing? if not and he can stand the pain, let him go. if it can get worse, fix it now.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 12:36:00 PM
Duce played all but 2 games with one in 1998.
I have to agree with IGY on this. If he can get through the next month or so with it, get the surgery when the games are weaker. Be ready for the playoffs.
Agreed but everyone reacts to surgery different. Mid-Season surgery if he's slow to recover could really backfire...
Quote from: 4and26 on September 28, 2005, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 12:36:00 PM
Duce played all but 2 games with one in 1998.
I have to agree with IGY on this. If he can get through the next month or so with it, get the surgery when the games are weaker. Be ready for the playoffs.
Agreed but everyone reacts to surgery different. Mid-Season surgery if he's slow to recover could really backfire...
My thoughts exactly. If McMahon is QBing our playoff run, its one and done.
"Living With a Hernia"
written by 'Weird Al' Yankovic
Parody of "Living in America" by James Brown
Help me out! Dig!
All I do is grunt and groan
Hurts me to walk anywhere
Went to see my physician, Dr. Jones
He took my trousers off, told me to cough
Doctor says there ain't nothin' to discuss
He tells me any day I might have to wear a truss
Living with a hernia
All the time, such aggravation
Living with a hernia
Gonna be my ruination
Living with a hernia
Got to have an operation
Feel so old
Too much bad pain
Good gawd, drives me insane
Can't run, barely crawl
Got a bulge in my intestinal wall
Walk real funny, bless my soul
Can't play tennis and it's hard to bowl
You can't even do the splits now... Say it!
Better call it quits now
Now I'm sick of all this dancin' anyhow
Living with a hernia
Hurts me bad in a tender location
Living with a hernia
Had enough humiliation
Living with a hernia
Got to have an operation
I live with a hernia
Can't get up, can't bend over
Now I live with a hernia
Wait a minute...
You may not be familiar with the common types
Of hernias that you could get
So just settle down, let me clue you in
There's incomplete
Epigastric
Bladder
Strangulated
Lumbar hernia
Richter's hernia
Obstructed
Inguinal and Direct
Living with a hernia...Rupture!
I said it's causin' me such irritation
Living with a hernia
Have to have my medication
Living with a hernia
I feel bad!
couple meaningful items i found...perhaps he should get it right away
In patients whose symptoms strongly suggest a sports hernia as the sole pathology, particularly in the professional athlete, surgery should be considered at an early stage.
Specific rehabilitation that avoids sudden, sharp movements should enable athletes to return to sports participation within 6 to 8 weeks of surgery. All aspects of pelvic flexibility, strength, and stability should be addressed throughout this period. Athletes should begin isometric abdominal and adductor exercises on the first day after surgery, increasing the number of sets and repetitions during the first week and then progressing to a concentric and eccentric strengthening program. They should begin walking during the first week after surgery and progress to jogging by day 10. Straight-line sprinting is encouraged from day 21, and the subsequent introduction of sport-specific exercises should enable a full return to sport after 6 to 8 weeks of rehabilitation. Overlapping conditions should also be addressed, and coexisting osteitis pubis or adductor tendonopathy may indicate a more gradual return to athletic activity
if reid would actually adjust the offense (RUN MORE) to compensate for #5's injury, i wouldn't be so concerned...................but he won't.
oh and this beaut...
Pain Characteristics
Typically insidious onset
Usually localized to the conjoined tendon and inguinal canal
May radiate to the adductor region and testicles :o
They will turn the dogs after DMac now as he's not a running threat :boom :boom
which is why everyone is saying its important to run...not just the run itself but the fact that the run sets up the play action which in turn slows the 'dawgs'
i read that the #1 cause of sports hernia is artis hicks.
In college Andrews was a devaststing run blocker...time to kick it up ;)
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 12:24:04 PM
oh yeah, might help to establish a run game with Westy and Gordon.
BLASPHEMY!! ;)
Activate Moats and lets see what Gordon, Moats and Westbrook can do. Now THAT would f'ing kick ass.
Reid won't rely on the running game unless McNabb stinks it up for 2 or 3 games straight.
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:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
Quote from: Larry on September 28, 2005, 01:32:38 PM
Reid won't rely on the running game unless McNabb stinks it up for 2 or 3 games straight.
And even then, he'll only drop it down to 60/40 passing.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
they have no chance to win a superbowl unless he gets surgery....you might squeak by the raiders in sept with it but you arent beating quality playoff teams
get the surgery nov 21
nov 22 thru jan 1=gb, sea, nyg, @stl, @arz, wash
If surgery is required, I'd rather do it now. You don't know exactly how much time he'll need to recover, and once he does recover, he can work the rust off in the regular season instead of the playoffs. Plus you get the bye week as well.
Quote from: Larry on September 28, 2005, 01:40:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
they have no chance to win a superbowl unless he gets surgery....you might squeak by the raiders in sept with it but you arent beating quality playoff teams
get the surgery nov 21
nov 22 thru jan 1=gb, sea, nyg, @stl, @arz, wash
If surgery is required, I'd rather do it now. You don't know exactly how much time he'll need to recover, and once he does recover, he can work the rust off in the regular season instead of the playoffs. Plus you get the bye week as well.
Agreed. If he needs surgery... get it now. Let him be ready for the stretch run. We'll prolly end up on the road a game or two in the playoffs, but I'd rather be on the road with a healthy McNabb than at home with an injured or rusty one.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than Andrews, I don't really think we have the offensive line "setup" to have a controlling running game......maybe they are going to play McNabb until McMahon really has a good feel for the playbook, then send off DMac to get the surgery. This farging sucks. If it hurts him like it did against the Raiders, imagine against a fast defense who'll look to chase McNabb around. This sucks.
Runyan was a premier run blocker in the NFL before coming to Philly.
Our O-Line is massive outside of honeybuns. They would be able to maul in the running game.
Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on September 28, 2005, 02:01:31 PM
Please correct me if I am wrong, but other than Andrews, I don't really think we have the offensive line "setup" to have a controlling running game......maybe they are going to play McNabb until McMahon really has a good feel for the playbook, then send off DMac to get the surgery. This farging sucks. If it hurts him like it did against the Raiders, imagine against a fast defense who'll look to chase McNabb around. This sucks.
We play Buddy Ryan ball at KC...Kick ass...no prisoners :evil :evil :evil
i don't know if it's been mentioned yet or not, but with our line we should be able to establish the running game.
They'll have no film :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil
At the rate they are passing, he is going to get killed with no mobility.
Get the surgery now, get him ready for Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb.
Activate Moats, run three-headed monster until he returns...control the ball/clock, let the defense continue to kick ass.
Seems simple to me, assuming a safe recovery is anticipated after four games and a bye week.
for the surgery now folks...i'm all for having him healthy for the playoffs but do you think a mcnabbless eagles team even makes the playoffs???
just askin'.
I'm starting to really sour on the idea of him playing through this. I hope he gets the surgery as soon as reasonably possible (maybe after the Dallas game), so he can be healthy and in rhythm if this team goes to the playoffs.
Let's face it. This team NEEDS McNabb on all cylinders to win the Super Bowl, and I'd rather risk home field advantage to get him healthy than lose in the conference championship or Super Bowl again.
I think a McNabbless team can make the playoffs.
Quote from: mhunt on September 28, 2005, 02:19:26 PM
for the surgery now folks...i'm all for having him healthy for the playoffs but do you think a mcnabbless eagles team even makes the playoffs???
just askin'.
i think so. maybe not home field...but i think they still make the playoffs
The source article has been updated.
QuoteMcNabb took part in Wednesday's morning walk-through and said afterward that despite the injury, he's confident in his abilities to lead the team.
QB Donovan McNabb
"I'm ready to go," McNabb said. "I don't have any concerns right now. It's one of those things where you have to realize some days you'll feel fine and some days you won't."
For now, McNabb will take anti-inflammatories. In the treatment room, the trainers will work on his flexibility in the groin area.
"As of right now, the plan is to allow him to participate in games and continue to rehabilitate it, monitor him day by day, game by game," Burkholder said. "Pain is the big thing that limits what he can do. It is uncomfortable.
McNabb said in his press conference that he was trying to avoid the pain by stepping into his throws, and in the second half he went back to his normal throwing motion. I'm thinking he might need to get over his aversion to pain meds...
C
If surgery is required, I'd rather do it now. You don't know exactly how much time he'll need to recover, and once he does recover, he can work the rust off in the regular season instead of the playoffs
its a tough call...he gets surgery now theres a good chance they dont make the playoffs...the next seven weeks are brutal...if it gets to the point where he is hurting the team you of course do it...but i dont think you make that decision before he plays another game or two...lets see him against kc and dallas then give him the bye and see how he comes back against the chargers...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 02:23:12 PM
lets see him against kc and dallas then give him the bye and see how he comes back against the chargers...
Farg that. If he's going to play against KC and Dallas, he should get the surgery a couple of days later to have the extra (bye) week to heal from the surgery. I think after the Dallas game should be considered the point of no return.
Can he have the surgery before he even goes home after the Dallas game? Like, in the locker room?
Quote from: rjs246 on September 28, 2005, 02:28:29 PM
Can he have the surgery before he even goes home after the Dallas game? Like, in the locker room?
You really want our star QB's season on the line in the Texas Stadium locker room?
Maybe if Texas Stadium weren't an absolute HOLE. Ha.
I would have it fixed now..KC tuff game..Cowgirls should be a cake walk :sly
Quote from: rjs246 on September 28, 2005, 02:28:29 PM
Can he have the surgery before he even goes home after the Dallas game? Like, in the locker room?
how about on the field between plays?
McNabb is going to play, end of the story.
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 02:31:42 PM
McNabb is going to play, end of the story.
The Eagles will not win Super Bowl XL if McNabb still has an unfixed sports hernia, end of story.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 02:31:42 PM
McNabb is going to play, end of the story.
The Eagles will not win Super Bowl XL if McNabb still has an unfixed sports hernia, end of story.
Not with Koy :P
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 02:31:42 PM
McNabb is going to play, end of the story.
The Eagles will not win Super Bowl XL if McNabb still has an unfixed sports hernia, end of story.
prove it.
Time will prove me to be correct.
Considering the fact that this team hasn't proven we can with in WITH McNabb, I'm going to have to go ahead and agree with FF on this one.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:36:53 PM
Time will prove me to be correct.
so you already have your excuse set if the Eagles lose the Superbowl. nice.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
they have no chance to win a superbowl unless he gets surgery....you might squeak by the raiders in sept with it but you arent beating quality playoff teams
get the surgery nov 21
nov 22 thru jan 1=gb, sea, nyg, @stl, @arz, wash
Football is a symbiotic game as the offense is effected by special teams and defense, the defense is effected by special teams and offense, and special teams are effected by defense and offense. The Raiders game had less to do with any possibly poor play by the offense and more to do with the fact that the Raiders were starting every drive from the 40 or 45 while the Eagles were seemingly starting every drive from the 15.
McNabb played well the second half of the game which leads me to believe while this hernia is in no way going to help his play, it is also not going to be quite the impedition some seem to erroneously believe.
What hurts more a broken leg or a sports hernia?
If he elects to have surgery, I elect for him to have it after the chiefs game. :evil
TO: We don't need Donovan to win.
The Eagles will not win Super Bowl XL if McNabb still has an unfixed sports hernia, end of story.
the end.
btw ever since they confirmed this i cant stop thinking about his intestines leaking thru the hole in the abdominal wall
just awful
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:36:53 PM
Time will prove me to be correct.
so you already have your excuse set if the Eagles lose the Superbowl. nice.
It's not just an "excuse". I've said McNabb needed to use his mobility and legs more this year for the Eagles to get over the hump, and that part of his game will be significantly hindered with this injury.
Plus, if he plays IN the pocket anything like the first half against the Raiders, Detmer or McMahon would be better.
He needs to get healthy.
He should just get lots of crotch cortizone shots before the games. Numb up his bits and pieces. He'll be right as rain.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2005, 01:34:37 PM
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:boom :boom :boom :boom :boom
Guess that puts to rest the debate over the Madden cover jinx. Has anyone that's been on the cover made it through a season without some sort of injury?
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 02:36:53 PM
Time will prove me to be correct.
so you already have your excuse set if the Eagles lose the Superbowl. nice.
It's not just an "excuse". I've said McNabb needed to use his mobility and legs more this year for the Eagles to get over the hump, and that part of his game will be significantly hindered with this injury.
Plus, if he plays IN the pocket anything like the first half against the Raiders, Detmer or McMahon would be better.
He needs to get healthy.
well,
McNabb rushed less last year than he had any other season in his career (including rookie season) and they finally made the SB....
Rushing attempts aren't the only thing I'm looking for. He also ran around and bought time for receivers last year.
McNabb doesn't need to run but once in a while just to establish to the defenses that he can and will run.
he doesnt have to run
but he has to have the ability to run
he has the ability to run. you guys act like he has an amputated leg.
I heard hea had to have his left asscheek amputated and replaced with a sack of milk. Will that impact his mobility?
he has the ability to run. you guys act like he has an amputated leg
if you taped the game last week go back and watch the long pass to westbrook
mcnabb had trouble making it down the field after westbrook was tackled...hows he supposed to outrun defenders
Whole milk or 2%? It's an issue of density...
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 03:34:04 PM
he has the ability to run. you guys act like he has an amputated leg
if you taped the game last week go back and watch the long pass to westbrook
mcnabb had trouble making it down the field after westbrook was tackled...hows he supposed to outrun defenders
dont care what he does after the play is over. adrenaline gets your through a play.
It's buttermilk. He'll be fine.
QuoteEagles | McNabb Would Miss 8-12 Weeks if Surgery is Done
Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:28:26 -0700
Updating a previous report, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb (abdomen) will need surgery on his sports hernia, but he plans on trying to play through the pain. If McNabb has surgery, the recovery time will be 8-12 weeks, according to Eagles trainer Rick Burkholder. "As of right now, the plan with Donovan is to allow him to participate, continue to rehabilitate him and take it on a day-by-day, game-by-game situation," said Burkholder. Hopefully at the end of the season, we will be able to address the problem." Burkholder said McNabb will take anti-inflammatories for medication to help the injury.
Uh, it took Dirk like 4-5 weeks. What the fudge!? Yeah, I said fudge. Jerks.
why do they keep saying he will rehabilitate it...there is no pre surgery rehab for this injury
i wonder why its 8-12 weeks...obviously that means you do it after kc or not at all
and what does this mean....hopefully??
"Hopefully at the end of the season, we will be able to address the problem"
this is all so depressing
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 04:01:03 PM
why do they keep saying he will rehabilitate it...there is no pre surgery rehab for this injury
i wonder why its 8-12 weeks...obviously that means you do it after kc or not at all
and what does this mean....hopefully??
"Hopefully at the end of the season, we will be able to address the problem"
this is all so depressing
maybe he means hopefully McNabb can stand the pain until the end of the season. like hopefully, it's at the end of the season and not week 6
Quote from: rjs246 on September 28, 2005, 03:53:52 PM
Uh, it took Dirk like 4-5 weeks. What the fudge!? Yeah, I said fudge. Jerks.
Probably an adverse consequence of loving the taterskins. taterskins Lover.
doom and gloom. doom and gloom. except for the only person who actually has to play with it.
QuoteQB Donovan McNabb
"I'm ready to go," McNabb said. "I don't have any concerns right now. It's one of those things where you have to realize some days you'll feel fine and some days you won't."
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 28, 2005, 04:03:58 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 28, 2005, 03:53:52 PM
Uh, it took Dirk like 4-5 weeks. What the fudge!? Yeah, I said fudge. Jerks.
Probably an adverse consequence of loving the taterskins. taterskins Lover.
Your punishment is forthcoming...
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 04:04:58 PM
doom and gloom. doom and gloom. except for the only person who actually has to play with it.
QuoteQB Donovan McNabb
"I'm ready to go," McNabb said. "I don't have any concerns right now. It's one of those things where you have to realize some days you'll feel fine and some days you won't."
Sure beats him saying "OH MY GOD IT HURTS SO BAD! I CAN'T RUN, I CAN'T PASS. WE'RE fargED. fargED i TELL YA."
Put on some of that miracle soccer spray and he'll be fine.
Mcnabb should get surgery now. Realistically this team is so good that we could cruise through the schedule without him. We could run the table without him.
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Or else he can wear a flak jacket for his groin so he can get that nice "pear" shape going.
Quote from: Larry on September 28, 2005, 04:10:38 PM
Or else he can wear a flak jacket for his groin so he can get that nice "pear" shape going.
On either Cold Pizza or SportsCenter, they said there is some sort of device he could wear to help absorb the hits he'll inevitably take.
Cocksponge?
Or a sumo wrestler's girdle.
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 04:04:58 PM
doom and gloom. doom and gloom. except for the only person who actually has to play with it.
QuoteQB Donovan McNabb
"I'm ready to go," McNabb said. "I don't have any concerns right now. It's one of those things where you have to realize some days you'll feel fine and some days you won't."
That's what Pennington said and now look at him. It wasn't the sacks that reinjured his shoulder, it was when he insisted to go back in after Fiedler got hurt.
I think it would make more sense for him to get surgery tommorrow. If he isn't 100% then none of the upcoming games are locks. Get him back into shape ASAP and then he'll be back in time to blow out the cupcakes, assure the team a playoff spot and get ready for a postseason run. I think he's just setting himself up for a possible injury if he plays now because guys are just going to try teeing off on him knowing he isn't his usual self back there. Getting it sorted now will help him to recover from his chest and shin injuries too.
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
I don't know what his point is, but I know this.
This season is going to be long, painful and probably dissapointing for both D-mac and Eagles fans.
Hello '06 and lets start talking draft picks.
Quote from: methdeez on September 28, 2005, 04:26:55 PM
I don't know what his point is, but I know this.
This season is going to be long, painful and probably dissapointing for both D-mac and Eagles fans.
Hello '06 and lets start talking draft picks.
Jesus Christ, get the farg off the bandwagon. Now. Please.
Good bye.
i dont know about long and painful...but the superbowl is out of reach....and does anything else really matter???
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
I know that but because he isn't as mobile he's setting him up for another possible injury.
Notice, I said he's "setting himself up for a possible injury if he plays now because guys are just going to try teeing off on him knowing he isn't his usual self back there." I didn't say anything about it getting worse.
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Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
didnt they say the same thing about akers?
i had a sports hernia a bunch of years ago. and you can make it worse by playing on it. no matter what lines the trainers try and tell you, if you sustain an injury due to physical activity, you absolutely can make it worse continuing the physical activity.
have you ever gone to the dentist, and were found to have needed a crown, or a filling? did the dentist tell you "but if you want, you can wait a few months, here's a snickers bar for the ride home."
or
have you ever been injured, and the doctor tells you "we can fix it, but in the mean time, you can keep on doing whatever you did when you injured yourself?"
you actually beleive that crap about "he cant make it worse by playing with it?" if that were true, he wouldnt have GOTTEN THE INJURY. it's pretty simple.
Quote from: twatson on September 28, 2005, 04:23:06 PM
If he isn't 100% then none of the upcoming games are locks.
the taterskins are a lock even if Thornburgh plays QB. ha.
Quote from: Wingspan on September 28, 2005, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
didnt they say the same thing about akers?
You're kidding right? Akers first of all, injured another part of his leg from overcompensating for the already weakened part. And with a pulled hammy, there is always the possibility of TEARING it by continuing to use it.
Look back at when Duce played almost the entire year with his hernia. He played in every game, ran for over 1000 yards and had 57 receptions for almost 500 yards. He didn't make it worse.
You can make it more PAINFUL by playing with it, but you can't make the INJURY worse.
Quote from: twatson on September 28, 2005, 04:23:06 PM
If he isn't 100% then none of the upcoming games are locks.
McNabb at 50% is still better than any QB in the NFC East.
Just sayin'
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 04:35:34 PM
Quote from: twatson on September 28, 2005, 04:23:06 PM
If he isn't 100% then none of the upcoming games are locks.
the taterskins are a lock even if Thornburgh plays QB. ha.
Hmm...I like they way you think. JT playing two ways even...Tim Hauck would approve.
C
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:36:19 PM
You're kidding right? Akers first of all, injured another part of his leg from overcompensating for the already weakened part. And with a pulled hammy, there is always the possibility of TEARING it by continuing to use it.
right, so had akers not played on sunday, he would not have torn it.
therefore, he made it worse by playing.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:36:19 PM
Look back at when Duce played almost the entire year with his hernia. He played in every game, ran for over 1000 yards and had 57 receptions for almost 500 yards. He didn't make it worse.
You can make it more PAINFUL by playing with it, but you can't make the INJURY worse.
i dont care what duce did.
web md (http://my.webmd.com/hw/hernia/hw170927.asp)
QuoteA sports hernia is an injury of the inguinal area caused by repetitive twisting and turning at high speed. This type of hernia occurs mainly in people who play ice hockey, soccer, and tennis.
so, mcnabb will do no repetitive twisting or turning for the rest of the season? and it most definetly will not be at any kind of high speed? right?
do not think for a second that it can not get worse. taking a hit will only result in pain, but he could very easily make it worse.
you can make it worse...the hole in the ab wall can become larger...and thats when guts and ish can start popping thru
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 04:53:32 PM
you can make it worse...the hole in the ab wall can become larger...and thats when guts and ish can start popping thru
:-X
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Look back at when Duce played almost the entire year with his hernia. He played in every game, ran for over 1000 yards and had 57 receptions for almost 500 yards. He didn't make it worse.
Yes but Duce's touch passes were horrible during that stretch. :P
I'd like to know who's gonna take the majority of the snaps when McNabb takes a day off from practice.
If recovery time is really 8-12 weeks, I guess he has to tough it out.
I'll stand behind my favorite team as always, but I think we'll need some other teams to have big injuries to win XL.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 04:53:32 PM
you can make it worse...the hole in the ab wall can become larger...and thats when guts and ish can start popping thru
next thing you know, the eagles get a delay of game penalty during a 4th quarter drive resulting in a loss because Nabbs is too busy preventing his guts from spilling out all over the field.
he just needs to drink a King Koybra. He'll forget about the pain.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 04:53:32 PM
you can make it worse...the hole in the ab wall can become larger...and thats when guts and ish can start popping thru
interesting. Where is the medical proof of that?
he just needs to drink a King Koybra. He'll forget about the pain
take a swig of the crowned snake...bite down on a stick and have burkholder tie that intestine in a big ole knot
I'm just wondering....were any of you around in 2002?
Just checking.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 04:56:15 PM
If recovery time is really 8-12 weeks, I guess he has to tough it out.
I'll stand behind my favorite team as always, but I think we'll need some other teams to have big injuries to win XL.
Who knows...This may force Reid to run the ball more (and assuage those that have this run fetish :paranoid) and McNabb to get rid of the ball sooner.
interesting. Where is the medical proof of that?
i heard/read this monday when glazers report first came out...i cant recall where...but i havent stopped thinking about it since
all these medical experts.... we must have the smartest MB around
If anyone can do this, Donovan can do it.
See..I'm not a cynic.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 05:02:18 PM
interesting. Where is the medical proof of that?
i heard/read this monday when glazers report first came out...i cant recall where...but i havent stopped thinking about it since
That's credible. ::)
Quote from: Wingspan on September 28, 2005, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
didnt they say the same thing about akers?
i had a sports hernia a bunch of years ago. and you can make it worse by playing on it. no matter what lines the trainers try and tell you, if you sustain an injury due to physical activity, you absolutely can make it worse continuing the physical activity.
have you ever gone to the dentist, and were found to have needed a crown, or a filling? did the dentist tell you "but if you want, you can wait a few months, here's a snickers bar for the ride home."
or
have you ever been injured, and the doctor tells you "we can fix it, but in the mean time, you can keep on doing whatever you did when you injured yourself?"
you actually beleive that crap about "he cant make it worse by playing with it?" if that were true, he wouldnt have GOTTEN THE INJURY. it's pretty simple.
I have never had a dentist offer me a candy bar. They usually tell me to stay away from sweets.
I don't go to doctors because they're for sissies; however, if I did I would probably tend to believe what a licensed practitioner said.
I don't understand what you're trying to communicate with the whole he wouldn't have GOTTEN THE INJURY statement. Are you saying the sternum injury transmuted into a sports hernia or he got the hernia because of the sternum gig? I'd figure a chest contusion or whatever and a hernia a close to mutually exclusive.
The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent motherfarging Dilfer. Even injured, McNabb is still a better QB than that.
If anyone can do this, Donovan can do it
i have no doubt he can fight thru this...hes a tough bastich...but neither he nor any other qb is going to win a superbowl with this injury
We'll see. I hope you're wrong.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 05:04:39 PM
If anyone can do this, Donovan can do it
i have no doubt he can fight thru this...hes a tough bastich...but neither he nor any other qb is going to win a superbowl with this injury
honestly, how can you know that? i don't even know of any qb's on potential superbowl teams that have sustained this exact injury. if there is no history either way, there is no way to make any kind of prediction on the subject.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 05:04:39 PM
If anyone can do this, Donovan can do it
i have no doubt he can fight thru this...hes a tough bastich...but neither he nor any other qb is going to win a superbowl with this injury
As Thawk said, I guess you missed those Super Bowls when Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won them recently. And McNabb with a sports hernia is 100 times better than either of those clowns.
And yes, I believe that the Eagles defense is as good as the Ravens defense was that year and better than the Bucs defense was.
That's credible. ::)
Hernias can and do occur anywhere on the abdominal wall, and are given other various names such Femoral, Epigastric, Spigelian or Sports Hernia. The basic problem remains the same, the muscle container of the abdominal wall no longer holds the contents safely and securely in place. As pressure inside the abdomen pushes the abdominal contents through this defect, a bulge is created, and pain, burning or aching are experienced. These symptoms gradually increase in intensity with time as the hernia gradually enlarges.
when Donovan broke his leg a couple years ago, i thought that season was over, but look what a good defense, good running game, and steady QB play did for that team while McNabb is out.
the main question is, is an injured Donovan McNabb better or worse than a healthy A.J. Feeley?
have some of you been taking advice from 22 year olds? lets see how this week looks before all the doomsday talk.
FYI-I talked to a Doc today and he said that 'YES' a sports hernia can get worse. Also said the same thing we've been hearing, that as long as he can cope with the pain he should be fine.
Here's my thing: the O-line needs to step up and be dominant. No more half ass effort and missed assignments. Hicks has been downright dreadful. Past injuries to McNabb usually resulted in the rest of the team picking up their play, I hope the same is done this season starting with KC. Because regardless of what any of us want, Reid is going to play McNabb until he his physically incapable of doing so.
Quote from: Sun_Mo on September 28, 2005, 05:12:08 PMthe main question is, is an injured Donovan McNabb better or worse than a healthy A.J. Feeley?
Seems to me it's already been said: the question is..can/will the Eagles establish a strong running game? If yes, then Donovan and the Eagles will be fine. If no, then Donovan likely can't save the day and the Eagles are farged.
And for anyone who cares, I say that based on the fact that it is my opinion. Eat shtein motherfargers.
(http://www.tusalud.com.mx/images/hernia.jpg)
If you want to see some really nasty stuff searcg for hernia on Google Images. This was the only pic that I thought wouldn't cause most people to vomit.
You guys act like this guy is going to be 40%. This injury is NO different than what he had last week. An abdominal strain is the same thing as a sports hernia. Sports hernia is just a fancy term for it, because athletes get it. Mcnabb right now is at 80% at the worst. This type of injury will never get 100% better and 100% heal on it's own, but on a week to week basis Mcnabb will start to feel better and better. I have no doubt he can QB this team to a parade, and scramble on top of it.
This is not a real hernia. A real hernia is a rupture in the abdominal wall. This is a strain.
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As The Underdogs, Eagles Tackle Obstacles
September 28, 2005
In an odd kind of way, this is a terrific situation: The Eagles are decided underdogs heading to Kansas City.
Their star quarterback has a sports hernia, which causes extreme pain in every day situations like, well, exiting his fine automobile. Rolling out with 290-pound defensive linemen chasing him and trying to fire out a pass through a maze of defenders is another challenge altogether.
Their All-Pro kicker spends his days in the athletic trainer's room trying to heal a hamstring that is torn in two places, so the Eagles are probably going with a youngster who has never before played in an NFL regular season game.
The defense is likely to be without a starting defensive tackle who leads the team in quarterback sacks. The opponent, Kansas City, is snarling mad after an embarrassing loss on Monday Night Football and has a home crowd, as loud as any in the league, that poses an intimidating presence.
What a perfect place and time to shock the world.
Hey, you would like things to be better. You would like quarterback Donovan McNabb to feel great after the best three-game start in his Eagles career. You would like him to answer questions other than ones about his variety of injuries -- from his chest to his abdominal injury (deemed a sports hernia for clarification's sake) to his shin contusion.
But things are never easy for McNabb, who has thrown four touchdowns playing on a broken ankle (vs. Arizona, 2001), battled his way through a thumb injury early in the 2003 season, been KO'd by a rib cartilage injury in the playoffs later that year and now has these trilogy of injuries to beat.
McNabb is a tough guy. Tough guys play quarterback in the NFL. You take a beating at the position and you get right back in there and play more. You stand in the pocket and you take your shots, so pain is something McNabb has accepted as part of his life.
There are many questions to ask. Let's start here.
1. Why subject McNabb to further injury? Would it be better to just have surgery now?
According to the way head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder explained it, McNabb's risk for further injury is minimal. There is a risk that his tolerance for more pain will be tested, In fact, every movement that stresses the abdominal region -- any time that McNabb opens his hips on the field, away from football, any time -- will cause pain.
McNabb will accept the pain. He will play through the injury. For how long, well, McNabb's goal is to win the Super Bowl and then undergo surgery and heal throughout the off-season.
Surgery at this point would basically end McNabb's season. The recovery time from such an injury -- typically, said Burkholder -- is 8 to 12 weeks.
The Eagles point to the experience of cornerback Sheldon Brown a couple of seasons ago, when he played an entire year with a sports hernia, and punter Dirk Johnson, who has surgery on his sports hernia just before training camp started and is still working his way back to 100 percent, as examples of players who have blocked out and pain and played through the injury.
Wide receiver Terrell Owens had a surgical prodedure on his sports hernia years ago while he was a member of the 49ers and continues to deal with repeated bouts with abdominal pain.
It came down to this for McNabb: Play through the pain or risk ending his season right now with surgery. He chose the former, and accepted the fact that he won't be anywhere near 100 percent for the remainder of 2005.
2. How will the injury affect McNabb?
It depends on how much stress he puts on the region. McNabb and head coach Andy Reid insist that the quarterback will be fine when it comes to moving in and out of the pocket, that the game plan will not change and that McNabb can execute whatever the coach asks. :boo
Certainly, though, McNabb appeared to be in pain on Sunday against Oakland. He was magnificent from the pocket, though, passing for 365 yards and a pair of touchdowns and engineering a two-minute drive to set up David Akers for the game-winning field goal.
That McNabb's pocket skills are so strong is a huge plus in this story. He can sit back in the pocket and tear a defense apart. He can win games that way.
But the Eagles also like to move him out of the pocket, use him on bootlegs and rolls and scrambles if they are there. We can only wait and see how well he can move -- and determine how the injury affects his mobility and his balance and his thrust when he delivers the football.
3. Does the injury affect the way defenses play McNabb?
Could be. It remains to be seen. When asked about the possibility that the Chiefs could blitz a wounded McNabb on Sunday, he smiled and said his responsiblity would then be to make the defense pay for its aggressive approach.
Will defenses lay back in coverage and dare him to beat them with his arm, taking the chance that McNabb won't be able to run out of the pocket?
It's going to be fascinating to watch, literally, every play. That's how quickly McNabb could tweak his injury. Every hit will leave us holding our breath, for it could aggravate his chest or his sports hernia or his shin contusion.
4. Would it be better to rest McNabb until after the bye?
Not according to what Burkholder said. The only way the injury heals is through surgery, not rest. It will feel better during the down time, but once the injury is stressed, the pain returns.
"All the physicians involved in this have said his pain can get worse, it may get better, but the condition won't," said Burkholder. "It's not like he's going to have a career ending problem to his abdomen or groin and everything that happens is correctable with the surgery. So, to a point yes, the pain may get worse, he may be able to deal with the pain better too as we do more rehab and treatment."
5. What can we expect from McNabb?
We can expect him to play football. He has eight touchdown passes and two interceptions in three games. McNabb is the leader of the team and the offensive starter.
You can have the same high expectations. You can understand that he's playing in extreme pain, but that he is not in any danger of altering his career path. You can understand that he, like everyone on the team, is putting the team in front of his own interests.
The Eagles have the goal of winning the Super Bowl. That has not changed one bit, despite the obvious challenges ahead.
With McNabb hurting, with Akers out and with Walker likely to miss this game, the Eagles are the team most people out there expect to lose.
Me? I think it's a terrific chance to show what kind of team the Eagles have, what kind of confidence the team breeds. The Eagles are going to Kansas City to win a football game, obstacles and all.
When they are talking about rest, it's not to make Mcnabb feel better, they are talking about healing the injury. The injury won't heal without surgery, but as the weeks go on Mcnabb will feel better and better. This is something he can play with no problem, and even scramble. Some weeks it might tighten up on him, but for the most part he'll be the normal Mcnabb.
As far as hurting the Superbowl chances like some are saying? Doesn't hurt them one bit. He'll be able to do the things he normally does. Just when he does there is a chance he might feel some pain here and there. Keep the area from getting inflamed, and he'll be fine. If he does an awkward juke or something during a game though, that thing is going to be hurting like hell.
Quote from: Tomahawk on September 28, 2005, 05:04:17 PM
I don't understand what you're trying to communicate with the whole he wouldn't have GOTTEN THE INJURY statement. Are you saying the sternum injury transmuted into a sports hernia or he got the hernia because of the sternum gig? I'd figure a chest contusion or whatever and a hernia a close to mutually exclusive.
The Ravens won a Super Bowl with Trent motherfarging Dilfer. Even injured, McNabb is still a better QB than that.
oh, i am not saying the sternum injury is in any way connected to the hernia. they are completely mutually exclusive.
i had a sports hernia in college. and i just know for an absolute fact that it can get worse. the hole may become bigger. which makes recovery times longer, and insanely uncomfortable. i am not saying it's inevitible that mcnabbs will become worse. but to say "it cant get worse from playing" is just flat out dead wrong. and i have a scar to prove it.
even if it "gets worse" he could still play through that. but the worse it gets, even just standing farging hurts.
it's more likely mcnabbs hernia pre-existed to the start of the season. they are hard to detect before they are "agravated"...it probably came from playing with dog toys in arizona.
reid fudges injury reports all the time, this one's no different.
suck it up and play. There is entirely too much nancy talk in this thread.
Most disturbing quote from Donovan in his PC today in response to a question about him being able to do some of the things that helped Plummer have success on Monday (like bootlegs, etc):
"I'll put my #16 on, and I'll be Jake Plummer on Sunday."
Yikes!
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 05:52:08 PM
There is entirely too much nancy talk in this thread.
Yeah, what he said.
I agree as well. We can worry about it if he looks really bad out there on sunday. I expect him to be no different than the Mcnabb from the San Fran game though.
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 28, 2005, 05:57:11 PM
Most disturbing quote from Donovan in his PC today in response to a question about him being able to do some of the things that helped Plummer have success on Monday (like bootlegs, etc):
"I'll put my #16 on, and I'll be Jake Plummer on Sunday."
Yikes!
He's delusional from the pain!!
GET FEELEY!!!!!
Mcnabb's abdomen could've completely just blew up and he'd still move better than Drew Bledsoe.
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 05:52:08 PM
suck it up and play. There is entirely too much nancy talk in this thread.
yep
I want to see him break a tackle then I'll be optimistic.
Quote from: BobbyT on September 28, 2005, 07:32:25 PM
I want to see him break a tackle then I'll be optimistic.
I want to see the oline protect him and the recievers get open. Then he won't have to break tackles.
I want to see him not hang onto the ball too long when he has reasonable time to throw as a measure of preserving himself.
After reading the 8-12 week recovery prognosis, as FF said, there's no way he can have the surgery unless they plan to get him ready for 2006. He's got to play through it.
My main concern is not his performance, but him getting killed when he's sore, can hardly run/walk, and is asked to throw 50 times a game with only Josh Parry as his protection behind the OL. It's not an aggravation of the injury that concerns me as much as him getting a whole new battery of injuries from being potentially immobile against a defense that's not concerned with the Eagles running the ball.
But, I'm willing to see how he does these next two weeks...not much else to do at this point.
Quote from: BobbyT on September 28, 2005, 07:32:25 PM
I want to see him break a tackle then I'll be optimistic.
Why the farg would he NEED to break a tackle?
Agreed...the last thing he needs to do is break a tackle on purpose as a show of balls. I'd rather see him hook-slide in the backfield when there's the potential of getting clothes-lined then to try to take it on to prove he's not hurt.
He's got to think about preserving himself at least a little bit.
Quote from: jeffreyjpa on September 28, 2005, 08:17:41 PM
Agreed...the last thing he needs to do is break a tackle on purpose as a show of balls. I'd rather see him hook-slide in the backfield when there's the potential of getting clothes-lined then to try to take it on to prove he's not hurt.
He rarely has to break tackles. He usually just jukes someone, which I think he'll still do anyway.
My main concern is not his performance
my main concern is winning the superbowl...and while it would be maybe the most amazing accomplishment of all-time in sports and a great story if he did it...its just not very likely to happen
You guys can win the east without McNabb. Westbrook might be the most dangerous player on your team.
I'm not quite as ready to tank the season based on this news as many seem to be, seems a bit knee-jerk at this point. But I share the same doubts that he can play 13 more regular season games and (hopefully) 3 post-season games looking like he did last Sunday (and, I know he had a phenomenal performance in the second half...just not convinced he can last the rest of this season limping around the field, trying to find the right mechanics).
Then again, he might feel a whole lot better if he can heal up from the chest and shin deal, at least.
Time will tell.
Sheldon Brown played a whole season with one and he has to be on the move way more than Mcnabb does. Mcnabb should have no problem whatsoever dealing with this. This does not hurt the Eagles SB chances one bit. The Eagles are lucky they still have him to play. Other teams like the Pats, Jets are losing players left and right for the season.
Lots of players play through sports hernias. They are pretty common in hockey and it is possible to play the season with discomfort but no loss of co-ordination. The chest bruise and shin problem are probably why he looks a little off.
Quote from: HOWBOUTTHEMCOWBOYS on September 28, 2005, 08:22:06 PM
You guys can win the east without McNabb. Westbrook might be the most dangerous player on your team.
I can't believe my eyes. :crazy :crazy :crazy
Quoteand is asked to throw 50 times a game with only Josh Parry as his protection behind the OL
Parry is back there only for 6-7 plays a game. Usually, there's no one save for Westbrook chipping the right end.
Sheldon Brown played a whole season with one
when exactly did this happen
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 28, 2005, 05:26:48 PM
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As The Underdogs, Eagles Tackle Obstacles
September 28, 2005
In an odd kind of way, this is a terrific situation: The Eagles are decided underdogs heading to Kansas City.
Their star quarterback has a sports hernia, which causes extreme pain in every day situations like, well, exiting his fine automobile. Rolling out with 290-pound defensive linemen chasing him and trying to fire out a pass through a maze of defenders is another challenge altogether.
Their All-Pro kicker spends his days in the athletic trainer's room trying to heal a hamstring that is torn in two places, so the Eagles are probably going with a youngster who has never before played in an NFL regular season game.
The defense is likely to be without a starting defensive tackle who leads the team in quarterback sacks. The opponent, Kansas City, is snarling mad after an embarrassing loss on Monday Night Football and has a home crowd, as loud as any in the league, that poses an intimidating presence.
What a perfect place and time to shock the world.
Hey, you would like things to be better. You would like quarterback Donovan McNabb to feel great after the best three-game start in his Eagles career. You would like him to answer questions other than ones about his variety of injuries -- from his chest to his abdominal injury (deemed a sports hernia for clarification's sake) to his shin contusion.
But things are never easy for McNabb, who has thrown four touchdowns playing on a broken ankle (vs. Arizona, 2001), battled his way through a thumb injury early in the 2003 season, been KO'd by a rib cartilage injury in the playoffs later that year and now has these trilogy of injuries to beat.
McNabb is a tough guy. Tough guys play quarterback in the NFL. You take a beating at the position and you get right back in there and play more. You stand in the pocket and you take your shots, so pain is something McNabb has accepted as part of his life.
There are many questions to ask. Let's start here.
1. Why subject McNabb to further injury? Would it be better to just have surgery now?
According to the way head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder explained it, McNabb's risk for further injury is minimal. There is a risk that his tolerance for more pain will be tested, In fact, every movement that stresses the abdominal region -- any time that McNabb opens his hips on the field, away from football, any time -- will cause pain.
McNabb will accept the pain. He will play through the injury. For how long, well, McNabb's goal is to win the Super Bowl and then undergo surgery and heal throughout the off-season.
Surgery at this point would basically end McNabb's season. The recovery time from such an injury -- typically, said Burkholder -- is 8 to 12 weeks.
The Eagles point to the experience of cornerback Sheldon Brown a couple of seasons ago, when he played an entire year with a sports hernia, and punter Dirk Johnson, who has surgery on his sports hernia just before training camp started and is still working his way back to 100 percent, as examples of players who have blocked out and pain and played through the injury.
Wide receiver Terrell Owens had a surgical prodedure on his sports hernia years ago while he was a member of the 49ers and continues to deal with repeated bouts with abdominal pain.
It came down to this for McNabb: Play through the pain or risk ending his season right now with surgery. He chose the former, and accepted the fact that he won't be anywhere near 100 percent for the remainder of 2005.
2. How will the injury affect McNabb?
It depends on how much stress he puts on the region. McNabb and head coach Andy Reid insist that the quarterback will be fine when it comes to moving in and out of the pocket, that the game plan will not change and that McNabb can execute whatever the coach asks. :boo
Certainly, though, McNabb appeared to be in pain on Sunday against Oakland. He was magnificent from the pocket, though, passing for 365 yards and a pair of touchdowns and engineering a two-minute drive to set up David Akers for the game-winning field goal.
That McNabb's pocket skills are so strong is a huge plus in this story. He can sit back in the pocket and tear a defense apart. He can win games that way.
But the Eagles also like to move him out of the pocket, use him on bootlegs and rolls and scrambles if they are there. We can only wait and see how well he can move -- and determine how the injury affects his mobility and his balance and his thrust when he delivers the football.
3. Does the injury affect the way defenses play McNabb?
Could be. It remains to be seen. When asked about the possibility that the Chiefs could blitz a wounded McNabb on Sunday, he smiled and said his responsiblity would then be to make the defense pay for its aggressive approach.
Will defenses lay back in coverage and dare him to beat them with his arm, taking the chance that McNabb won't be able to run out of the pocket?
It's going to be fascinating to watch, literally, every play. That's how quickly McNabb could tweak his injury. Every hit will leave us holding our breath, for it could aggravate his chest or his sports hernia or his shin contusion.
4. Would it be better to rest McNabb until after the bye?
Not according to what Burkholder said. The only way the injury heals is through surgery, not rest. It will feel better during the down time, but once the injury is stressed, the pain returns.
"All the physicians involved in this have said his pain can get worse, it may get better, but the condition won't," said Burkholder. "It's not like he's going to have a career ending problem to his abdomen or groin and everything that happens is correctable with the surgery. So, to a point yes, the pain may get worse, he may be able to deal with the pain better too as we do more rehab and treatment."
5. What can we expect from McNabb?
We can expect him to play football. He has eight touchdown passes and two interceptions in three games. McNabb is the leader of the team and the offensive starter.
You can have the same high expectations. You can understand that he's playing in extreme pain, but that he is not in any danger of altering his career path. You can understand that he, like everyone on the team, is putting the team in front of his own interests.
The Eagles have the goal of winning the Super Bowl. That has not changed one bit, despite the obvious challenges ahead.
With McNabb hurting, with Akers out and with Walker likely to miss this game, the Eagles are the team most people out there expect to lose.
Me? I think it's a terrific chance to show what kind of team the Eagles have, what kind of confidence the team breeds. The Eagles are going to Kansas City to win a football game, obstacles and all.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on September 28, 2005, 08:37:48 PM
Quote from: HOWBOUTTHEMCOWBOYS on September 28, 2005, 08:22:06 PM
You guys can win the east without McNabb. Westbrook might be the most dangerous player on your team.
I can't believe my eyes. :crazy :crazy :crazy
what is so hard to believe?
im scared of patrick cryaton and terry glenn
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2005, 08:53:39 PM
im scared of patrick cryaton and terry glenn
You must be kidding.....
no i dont be jokin son u be scrwed eagles ruke cowbyws drule mwahaha rofl
The Eagles point to the experience of cornerback Sheldon Brown a couple of seasons ago, when he played an entire year with a sports hernia
not saying it didnt happen but is there anywhere outside of the eagles website that says this happened...ive searched and searched and searched and searched and cant find one mention of it anywhere...not even on the eagles website prior to this week
Quote from: MDS on September 28, 2005, 08:58:36 PM
no i dont be jokin son u be scrwed eagles ruke cowbyws drule mwahaha rofl
Oh, i get it. You are a moron. Just want to throw insults back and forth?
A few thoughts:
1. Why are some people so shocked by this "news"? It was reported on Sunday that he had this injury. Obviously Reid & McNabb wouldn't confirm it, but they both side-stepped the questions and didn't really do a good job of hiding the fact the report was true.
2. I cannot believe my eyes...is the season over? You'd think the dude was effin' shot or something. This season ain't over. Nor is the hope of winning the SB. Nor are they going to fall the hell apart.
Defense
Terrell Owens
Brian Westbrook
They still have those 3 things, chicken littles.
Is Donny Mac going to have to suck up the pain? Yeah.
Is he going to be flawless? No.
Can he still get the job done? Yeah.
Like Jim Fassel said in 2000 "This team is going to the playoffs. You want in? Get in. You want out? Get out."
The OL has to step it up and Rojo Grande has to call more running plays.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 28, 2005, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 04:24:33 PM
He can't make it worse by playing with it, what is your point?
didnt they say the same thing about akers?
You're kidding right? Akers first of all, injured another part of his leg from overcompensating for the already weakened part. And with a pulled hammy, there is always the possibility of TEARING it by continuing to use it.
Look back at when Duce played almost the entire year with his hernia. He played in every game, ran for over 1000 yards and had 57 receptions for almost 500 yards. He didn't make it worse.
You can make it more PAINFUL by playing with it, but you can't make the INJURY worse.
I find it amusing that you use the Akers situation in your argument, after telling me I was a dumbass for thinking they should've had France on the active roster, in case something went wrong.
A hernia, any hernia, can get worse with time. No guarantee it will, but playing professional football with one would certainly seem to increase your chances.
My 2 cents: with this defense, we can win probably 70-80% of the games on the sched with McMahon at the helm. He should have the surgery now and get healthy.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2005, 09:53:52 PM
A few thoughts:
1. Why are some people so shocked by this "news"? It was reported on Sunday that he had this injury. Obviously Reid & McNabb wouldn't confirm it, but they both side-stepped the questions and didn't really do a good job of hiding the fact the report was true.
2. I cannot believe my eyes...is the season over? You'd think the dude was effin' shot or something. This season ain't over. Nor is the hope of winning the SB. Nor are they going to fall the hell apart.
Defense
Terrell Owens
Brian Westbrook
They still have those 3 things, chicken littles.
Is Donny Mac going to have to suck up the pain? Yeah.
Is he going to be flawless? No.
Can he still get the job done? Yeah.
Like Jim Fassel said in 2000 "This team is going to the playoffs. You want in? Get in. You want out? Get out."
The OL has to step it up and Rojo Grande has to call more running plays.
Well put. People act like Mcnabb is going to turn into Ryan Leaf. He'll still roll out. He'll still be able to scramble when need be. He'll still be accurate. Will he be 100%? Of course not, but few players do stay 100% throughout the season. You are going to get some bumps and bruises. Mcnabb is going to still have a HELL of a season and he is going to put up the best numbers out of any QB in football.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2005, 09:53:52 PM
2. I cannot believe my eyes...is the season over? You'd think the dude was effin' shot or something.
That was McDougle. Dummy. ;)
QuoteDOUBLE-SPEAK ON DONOVAN INJURY
The more that we read stories regarding Donovan McNabb and his "abdominal strain," the more suspicious we are as to whether McNabb indeed will continue to play with a condition that requires surgery after the season.
Nearly every story we've seen leads off by describing the injury as an "abdominal strain," and then mentions in passing later in the piece that the "strain" is in fact a "sports hernia."
A "sports hernia" is (duh) a hernia that involves a strain in the inguinal area, allowing tissue from inside the abdomen (i.e., the guts) to bulge through. It can be resolved by surgery or rest -- and McNabb intends to submit to neither.
We don't see this ending well, folks. The team, we think, is using the same hard-headed, "big boys don't cry" approach that resulted in David Akers turning his hamstring into stew meat. McNabb will get worse, not better, and we think he'll eventually be forced to get surgery and miss 4-6 weeks of the season.
Mark our words on this. McNabb will go under the knife before the turkey goes under the ax. And when he does, it'll be time to stick a fork in the team's hopes for the 2005 season.
More fuel for the chicken littles...
By the way, in addition to my last post I'd like to say that I would have no problem resting 5 these next two games and that would give him a month until the next game against San Diego.
The Eagles could beat Dallas and Kansas City with Koy Detmer as the helm.
I'm going to strongly disagree with them. I love how everyone all of a sudden becomes doctors. The doctors nor the team would allow Mcnabb to play if it was anything bad enough to risk further injury. Hernias are no joke. They can be fatal if left untreated according to medical websites. I'm talking about real hernias. So if this thing had the possibility to turn into a real hernia the team would NOT clear him to play football. This team did not let Tra Thomas hit the field until his blood clot was taken care of. If this thing had potential to get a lot worse, Mcnabb wouldn't hit the field either.
As for Akers... his injury was seperate and hasn't been determined yet by doctors whether or not it was related to his original injury. It could've been a coincidence. The difference between the two though is Akers' only use is his legs and it was a leg injury. If Mcnabb broke his arm or his hand then this would be a different story.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 28, 2005, 10:36:46 PM
QuoteDOUBLE-SPEAK ON DONOVAN INJURY
The more that we read stories regarding Donovan McNabb and his "abdominal strain," the more suspicious we are as to whether McNabb indeed will continue to play with a condition that requires surgery after the season.
Nearly every story we've seen leads off by describing the injury as an "abdominal strain," and then mentions in passing later in the piece that the "strain" is in fact a "sports hernia."
A "sports hernia" is (duh) a hernia that involves a strain in the inguinal area, allowing tissue from inside the abdomen (i.e., the guts) to bulge through. It can be resolved by surgery or rest -- and McNabb intends to submit to neither.
We don't see this ending well, folks. The team, we think, is using the same hard-headed, "big boys don't cry" approach that resulted in David Akers turning his hamstring into stew meat. McNabb will get worse, not better, and we think he'll eventually be forced to get surgery and miss 4-6 weeks of the season.
Mark our words on this. McNabb will go under the knife before the turkey goes under the ax. And when he does, it'll be time to stick a fork in the team's hopes for the 2005 season.
More fuel for the chicken littles...
By the way, in addition to my last post I'd like to say that I would have no problem resting 5 these next two games and that would give him a month until the next game against San Diego.
The Eagles could beat Dallas and Kansas City with Koy Detmer as the helm.
Dallas yes, KC I doubt. It's going to be hard enough with McNabb. I really doubt they beat KC with Detmer. Hopefully we won't have to find out.
We could beat KC with McMahon. How much different is he from Plummer?
Quote from: Larry on September 28, 2005, 11:14:25 PM
We could beat KC with McMahon. How much different is he from Plummer?
From typical Jake Plummer? Not much. However, Plummer played a suprisingly mistake free game on Monday. He also fares much better at home. I think it's alot to ask of McMahon, especially considering his freelance style of play to be successful @ KC on short notice.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 28, 2005, 05:01:54 PM
I'm just wondering....were any of you around in 2002?
Just checking.
I was... But then again I'm not saying any stupid shtein about the situation so I don't think that counts...
Quote from: Larry on September 28, 2005, 11:14:25 PM
We could beat KC with McMahon. How much different is he from Plummer?
I'd go with McMahon. Of late Detmer only seems to play well against San Fran for some reason.
That was really Detmer's only regular season start with first team offense.
Last year against the Rams and Bengals he didn't have TO, Westbrook or anyone like that, and in the preseason the offensive line sucks because it's all second teamers.
I've seen Detmer play for more than the past two years, thank you very much. It's not like he hasn't been on the team for almost a decade or anything. :P
Long term, McMahon is WAY more viable than Koy. No question about that.
By the way, McNabb apparently oroginally injured himself in the off-season and he aggravated it in the SF game.
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
So he has been playing on it for awhile. I think he'll be fine. Painful? You betcha. But this is the same guy who played on a broken leg.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:26:49 AM
By the way, McNabb apparently oroginally injured himself in the off-season and he aggravated it in the SF game.
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
So he has been playing on it for awhile. I think he'll be fine. Painful? You betcha. But this is the same guy who played on a broken leg.
Come on Phreak....you're wrong. All of these self proclaimed doctors know so much more! Ashley Fox wrote an article basically calling REID out on this! Yeah, I'm so sure Reid is going to risk damage to his most precious commodity. ::)
The Eagles could beat Dallas and Kansas City with Koy Detmer as the helm.
they COULD beat them
they COULD win the superbowl with mcnabb hurt
but they most likely wont
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2005, 08:29:34 AM
The Eagles could beat Dallas and Kansas City with Koy Detmer as the helm.
they COULD beat them
they COULD win the superbowl with mcnabb hurt
but they most likely wont
Brad Johnson
Trent Dilfer.
stfu
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2005, 08:28:35 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:26:49 AM
By the way, McNabb apparently oroginally injured himself in the off-season and he aggravated it in the SF game.
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
So he has been playing on it for awhile. I think he'll be fine. Painful? You betcha. But this is the same guy who played on a broken leg.
Come on Phreak....you're wrong. All of these self proclaimed doctors know so much more! Ashley Fox wrote an article basically calling REID out on this! Yeah, I'm so sure Reid is going to risk damage to his most precious commodity. ::)
Yeah, I read it. Wish I wouldn't have, but I did.
The only person who should make this decision is Donovan. It's a pain threshhold issue and the man can take pain.
And the OL has to continue to play like they did against Oakland...52 pass attempts and only 1 sack which came on a scramble.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:37:53 AM
Yeah, I read it. Wish I wouldn't have, but I did.
The only person who should make this decision is Donovan. It's a pain threshhold issue and the man can take pain.
And the OL has to continue to play like they did against Oakland...52 pass attempts and only 1 sack which came on a scramble.
He's the only one, I agree 100%. Although, Burkholder and Reid would tell him to shut it down if they thought it was the wrong thing to do (him playing). They're not going to risk him and we all know that.
But hey, let the armchair doctors do their jobs, will ya? ;)
Cataldi was annoyed at Morganti for disagreeing with him this moring that DMac should shut it down. He pimped this "expert hernia doctor" all morning and when he had him on the Doc went against everything Angelo was saying. It was hilarious.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:43:41 AM
Cataldi was annoyed at Morganti for disagreeing with him this moring that DMac should shut it down. He pimped this "expert hernia doctor" all morning and when he had him on the Doc went against everything Angelo was saying. It was hilarious.
Not sorry I missed it.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:26:49 AM
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
My only concern is the first half last week - he admittedly was screwing with his throwing motion to avoid pain. Granted, we don't know if it was his shin, abs or chest that was causing this - but the end result of this season is going to come down to 3 things:
1) Can McNabb play through the pain like he did in the 2nd half of last weeks game, or is he going to butcher his mechanics to avoid pain and kill what accuracy he has. Yes, Sheldon played a more mobile position with the same injury, but does he have the same aversion to pain meds that Donovan seems to have?
2) Can the o-line keep the pressure off of him, keeping the pain to a manageable level?
3) Will Andy run the ball enough/play call in a way that will get teams to back off the blitz? (the shovel pass to Westbrook is just as good for this as a hand-off, and may keep the pass percentage in the 70's where Big A seems to want it)
C
Quote from: Cerevant on September 29, 2005, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:26:49 AM
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
My only concern is the first half last week - he admittedly was screwing with his throwing motion to avoid pain. Granted, we don't know if it was his shin, abs or chest that was causing this - but the end result of this season is going to come down to 3 things:
1) Can McNabb play through the pain like he did in the 2nd half of last weeks game, or is he going to butcher his mechanics to avoid pain and kill what accuracy he has. Yes, Sheldon played a more mobile position with the same injury, but does he have the same aversion to pain meds that Donovan seems to have?
2) Can the o-line keep the pressure off of him, keeping the pain to a manageable level?
3) Will Andy run the ball enough/play call in a way that will get teams to back off the blitz? (the shovel pass to Westbrook is just as good for this as a hand-off, and may keep the pass percentage in the 70's where Big A seems to want it)
C
Duce also played with it, don't forget.
Also, I believe McNabb was altering his throwing motion due to his chest injury. He had a long conversation with McNair on the phone about ways to tweak your throwing motion to help with a bad chest bruise. I remember hearing about that from Spudz on the radio.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2005, 08:48:24 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on September 29, 2005, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 29, 2005, 08:26:49 AM
So he made it through training camp, pre-season and the 1st game without it affecting him. He also was 19/28 for 266 yards in the 2nd half on Sunday.
My only concern is the first half last week - he admittedly was screwing with his throwing motion to avoid pain. Granted, we don't know if it was his shin, abs or chest that was causing this - but the end result of this season is going to come down to 3 things:
1) Can McNabb play through the pain like he did in the 2nd half of last weeks game, or is he going to butcher his mechanics to avoid pain and kill what accuracy he has. Yes, Sheldon played a more mobile position with the same injury, but does he have the same aversion to pain meds that Donovan seems to have?
2) Can the o-line keep the pressure off of him, keeping the pain to a manageable level?
3) Will Andy run the ball enough/play call in a way that will get teams to back off the blitz? (the shovel pass to Westbrook is just as good for this as a hand-off, and may keep the pass percentage in the 70's where Big A seems to want it)
C
Duce also played with it, don't forget.
Also, I believe McNabb was altering his throwing motion due to his chest injury. He had a long conversation with McNair on the phone about ways to tweak your throwing motion to help with a bad chest bruise. I remember hearing about that from Spudz on the radio.
McNabb said in his press conference that he altered his throwing motion because of the pain in his ab area. He said that he was trying to throw completely with his upper body and not using his legs... not stepping into his passes.
he changed his throwing style in the 1st half, it didn't work so he just decided to suck it up for the 2nd half and we saw the results.
lol, ok....perhaps he altered it originally because of the chest contusion and then again for the ab strain.
Who knows. I just remember listening about his conversation with McNair and how he (McNair) altered his throwing motion with the chest injury
the chest is a non-factor
Because you said so?
Hahaha, man it's funny watching IGY pester and poke at PG until you can almost feel her brain exploding through the internet.
it may be a little sore...but im saying if thats all he had right now we wouldnt even be talking about...it has no effect on his game
QuoteEagles | McNabb to be Named NFC Offensive Player of the Month
Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:06:39 -0700
PhiladelphiaEagles.com reports Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb will be named NFC Offensive Player of the Month for September.
Yep...I just keep going back to that 2nd half once he realize he couldn't alter his mechanics. And he had a great half of football.
Reid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down". So I'm cool with him playing.
Hahaha, man it's funny watching IGY pester and poke at PG until you can almost feel her brain exploding through the internet.
im surprised her stf and u buttons still work
actually i dont mean too...i just say what feel and it countdown to blast off
Reid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down".
reid is full of horseshtein....when will people stop listening to what he says to the media...i wish hed never speak again
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2005, 09:06:46 AM
Reid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down".
reid is full of horseshtein....when will people stop listening to what he says to the media...i wish hed never speak again
i agree with that, especially since reid has flat out said "I only say in press conferences what I want them to hear"
QuoteReid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down". So I'm cool with him playing.
I'd believe Reid's being candid about this. The chest injury would effect his throwing velocity, and since passing the ball is the bedrock of this offense....
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2005, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2005, 09:06:46 AM
Reid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down".
reid is full of horseshtein....when will people stop listening to what he says to the media...i wish hed never speak again
i agree with that, especially since reid has flat out said "I only say in press conferences what I want them to hear"
The receivers are fine.
Quote from: EagleFeva on September 29, 2005, 10:56:19 AM
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2005, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 29, 2005, 09:06:46 AM
Reid even said on Monday that the main concern was the chest and "getting it settled down".
reid is full of horseshtein....when will people stop listening to what he says to the media...i wish hed never speak again
i agree with that, especially since reid has flat out said "I only say in press conferences what I want them to hear"
The receivers are fine.
Followed by him going out and getting TO. He only said that not because the press wants to hear it, but because he's the GfrigginM and head coach of the team and he's not going to sit there and say, "Well, our WRs suck and we have to go looking for someone else".
i think everyone's spazzing for no reason. why don't we all wait till after this week?
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 29, 2005, 10:57:59 AM
Followed by him going out and getting TO. He only said that not because the press wants to hear it, but because he's the GfrigginM and head coach of the team and he's not going to sit there and say, "Well, our WRs suck and we have to go looking for someone else".
Right... good point. Although I think a point that's already been covered so eloquently by Wingspan... :P
Quote from: Wingspan on September 29, 2005, 09:07:50 AM
i agree with that, especially since reid has flat out said "I only say in press conferences what I want them to hear"
Quote from: Mad-Lad on September 29, 2005, 11:00:51 AM
i think everyone's spazzing for no reason. why don't we all wait till after this week?
Where's the fun in that?
I for one think we should all shut up until March and then look back very objectively and calmly discuss the ins and outs of the 2005-2006 season. Then and only then will the beacon of reason shine brightly upon the Concrete Board.
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 28, 2005, 08:59:08 PM
The Eagles point to the experience of cornerback Sheldon Brown a couple of seasons ago, when he played an entire year with a sports hernia
not saying it didnt happen but is there anywhere outside of the eagles website that says this happened...ive searched and searched and searched and searched and cant find one mention of it anywhere...not even on the eagles website prior to this week
Sheldon Brown talks about when he played the season with it (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/media/video/eagles/092805-brown.wmv)
That season he wasn't starting. He played way fewer snaps than McNabb will. Bet he took a lot less punishment than McNabb will too.
I'd take care of it now. Playing with it seems awfully risky.
Duce Staley.
Quote from: MadMarchHare on September 29, 2005, 06:45:39 PM
That season he wasn't starting. He played way fewer snaps than McNabb will. Bet he took a lot less punishment than McNabb will too.
I'd take care of it now. Playing with it seems awfully risky.
I am not a doctor so I need to no what he is risking. The way I interpret all this information is the hole may become bigger causing more pain, but it's not like he's going to die.
The doc on the radio said that they can massage the guts sometimes to move around the intestine to relieve pain in a quick fix.
That sounds fun.
So, Sheldon Brown and Duce Staley both played with it and there was never talk about them risking their health.
If it was such a risky thing, McNabb wouldn't be playing. I'm so sure that the head coach and FO would really risk the franchise on it. ::)
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 30, 2005, 09:49:15 AM
So, Sheldon Brown and Duce Staley both played with it and there was never talk about them risking their health.
If it was such a risky thing, McNabb wouldn't be playing. I'm so sure that the head coach and FO would really risk the franchise on it. ::)
it's just something else for us to obsess about until they play another game. thank goodness it's not the bye week.
For the sake of my sanity...they better beat the Cowboys next week.
2 weeks of listening to that stuff would kill me.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:53:52 AM
For the sake of my sanity...they better beat the Cowboys next week.
2 weeks of listening to that stuff would kill me.
My God, me too. Thanks for giving me something else to worry about.
An MRI on Gaborik's groin injury showed it is not a sports hernia and the Wild say he has a 50 percent chance of playing in the Oct. 5 regular season opening game, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports. Gaborik has twice had surgery to repair sports hernias.
You'd have to be a sick farg to play hockey with a sports hernia. :o
Quote from: MURP on September 28, 2005, 05:52:08 PM
suck it up and play. There is entirely too much nancy talk in this thread.
I agree, Joe Namath played on two knees that would barely hold a normal man upright, Johnny Unitas threw a football with an arm he couldn't even lift long enough to comb his hair. Great players play through pain. This is an injury any other starting player in the league can and would play with.
It's his decision alone if he should have the sugery or not, and any discussion about him having it now is moot, because he only has one thing on his mind, winning. I'd be willing to bet that in his mind it's a forgone conclusion that surgery will take place after he wins the Superbowl. Reid is gonna' play him until Dmac tells Reid he can't play anymore, and that ain't happening. He's still better than 75% of the qbs in the league. It's time for the rest of the team to take up the slack. It's time for somone else to carry this team. TO, are you listening?? You want a new contract??? Nows the time to prove your worth it.
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2005, 10:15:05 PM
TO, are you listening?? You want a new contract??? Nows the time to prove your worth it.
??? Dude has been fantastic so far this season....not sure what he's supposed to do to PROVE he's worth something.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 30, 2005, 09:48:24 AM
The doc on the radio said that they can massage the guts sometimes to move around the intestine to relieve pain in a quick fix.
That sounds fun.
Sure, if you're Dr. Mengele.
Quote from: PhillyGirl on October 01, 2005, 08:46:15 AM
Quote from: shorebird on September 30, 2005, 10:15:05 PM
TO, are you listening?? You want a new contract??? Nows the time to prove your worth it.
??? Dude has been fantastic so far this season....not sure what he's supposed to do to PROVE he's worth something.
How about showing some leadership on the field and in the locker room, and take some pressure off Dmac. You don't think he can be better than he has so far?? I'm saying it's time for someone else to step it up, and TO is the prime candidate.
TO's doing what everyone wanted him to do, Shore. And that is STFU and play football. He's got 23 catches for like 335 yards and 3 TDs. He's not talking shtein and he's showing up to play ball and making the tough catches that people thought he wouldn't have no part of.
They have enough leaders on that field, bro. McNabb, Trotter and Dawkins are the leaders of that team.
TO needs to keep doing what he's been doing - making plays.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 02, 2005, 05:10:11 AM
TO's doing what everyone wanted him to do, Shore. And that is STFU and play football. He's got 23 catches for like 335 yards and 3 TDs. He's not talking shtein and he's showing up to play ball and making the tough catches that people thought he wouldn't have no part of.
They have enough leaders on that field, bro. McNabb, Trotter and Dawkins are the leaders of that team.
TO needs to keep doing what he's been doing - making plays.
Exactly.
Alright, alright, I'll shut up, but the main part of my post I'll still stand by, which is for people to forget about Dmac having surgery before the end of the season 'cause it ain't happening.
LOL...thought this was fitting for this thread.
ON pft, this is their pic of the day:
(http://www.startribune.com/stonline/images/news37/vikefront1003.l.jpg)
With the caption: "No, you don't have a sports hernia. You just suck."
:-D
i never realized culpepper was half white before
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 02, 2005, 05:10:11 AM
TO needs to keep doing what he's been doing - making plays.
Making plays and keeping his mouth shut.
And doing uninspired celebrations.
last night...Outside the Lines was about sports hernias. They followed a soccer player as he went to the doctor in Germany that supposedly has revolutionary way of doing the repair surgery. He was walking around 7 hours after surgery and was back practicing full at 11 days.
It's misleading though because there are many different degrees of a sports hernia, and that soccer player had a basic one. Then they talked to the doctor that did DMac's surgery. He kept referring to "insertions" onto the pubic bone. I'm not sure how many there are and what exactly the insertion is, whether it's groin muscle or what, but DMac's doc said that Donovan had damages to 9 different insertions along with his sports hernia. So, that German doctor's surgery wouldn't have applied to him apparantly.
Ewww. That's almost as nasty as the JR Reed injury description.
i love inserting my pubic bone
Quote from: Sun_Mo on May 11, 2006, 08:48:26 AM
last night...Outside the Lines was about sports hernias. They followed a soccer player as he went to the doctor in Germany that supposedly has revolutionary way of doing the repair surgery. He was walking around 7 hours after surgery and was back practicing full at 11 days.
It's misleading though because there are many different degrees of a sports hernia, and that soccer player had a basic one. Then they talked to the doctor that did DMac's surgery. He kept referring to "insertions" onto the pubic bone. I'm not sure how many there are and what exactly the insertion is, whether it's groin muscle or what, but DMac's doc said that Donovan had damages to 9 different insertions along with his sports hernia. So, that German doctor's surgery wouldn't have applied to him apparantly.
Mo, the best way to explain it is there is an "origin" to the muscle and there is an "insertion". The origin is the end of the muscle thats more fixed in its attachment to the body. The more movable end is called insertion. I didnt see the taping, but Im guessing he must of been referring to damages along those movable parts or distal parts of his abdominal muscles.
Eagles | McNabb retains advertising spot
Thu, 11 May 2006 20:16:55 -0700
Susan Wyatt, of KING5.com, reports Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb is back for his sixth season with the Campbell's Soup Company's "Mama's Boys" advertising campaign. He will once again be joined on the commercial by his mom, Wilma McNabb. The advertising is set to debut during the NFL's opening weekend beginning September 7.
Thank god.
Damn, Donnie Mac was hurting pretty bad. That sounds even worse then when they talked about the three tears he had repaired.
There was a piece Adam Schefter did with McNabb on Total Access last night... checking up on his health and a few questions about some WR. Nothing groundbreaking at all... but the cornrows are gone.
Quote from: reese125 on May 11, 2006, 11:35:01 PM
Eagles | McNabb retains advertising spot
Thu, 11 May 2006 20:16:55 -0700
Susan Wyatt, of KING5.com, reports Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb is back for his sixth season with the Campbell's Soup Company's "Mama's Boys" advertising campaign. He will once again be joined on the commercial by his mom, Wilma McNabb. The advertising is set to debut during the NFL's opening weekend beginning September 7.
Thank god.
Who has the better national endoresement?
McNabb with Chunky Soup or Bloom with Under Armour?
Mama's boys or Click Clak?
i dont know whats worse mcnabbs painfully unfunny humor or bloom acting hard