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Title: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 03:38:41 PM
According to WIP and PE.com

PLAYERS WAIVED

Defensive end Hugh Douglas

Center Dominic Furio

Wide receiver Michael Gasperson

Quarterback Andy Hall

Defensive tackle Norm Heuer

Center Jamaal Jackson

Punter Sean Landeta

Defensive tackle Keyonta Marshall

Linebacker Martin Patterson

Wide receiver Carlos Perez

Cornerback/wide receiver Robert Redd

Fullback Jon Ritchie

Offensive guard Steve Sciullo

Wide receiver Chauncey Stovall

Tight end Andy Thorn

Offensive guard Scott Young

Cornerback Aric Williams

Defensive end Jamaal Green and cornerback Linj Shell were waived/injured.

   

First to post it!  8)
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 03:46:54 PM
Also:

Defensive end Hugh Douglas and fullback Jon Ritchie were among the 19 players the Eagles waived on Saturday, giving players like running back Bruce Perry, fullback Josh Parry and defensive end Juqua Thomas spots on the 53-man roster.

The team also announced the signing of free agent wide receiver Darnerien McCants to a one-year contract. Punter Dirk Johnson was activated from the Physically Unable To Perform list and added to the active roster.

Rookie safety Jeremy Thornburg also made the cut to 53.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 03, 2005, 03:49:27 PM
Wow......that farging sucks. I really thought Ritchie was going to make it. And Hugh is a really big surprise....let's hope Perry and Parry really pick it up.  :-\


Quote from: Monster on September 03, 2005, 03:46:54 PM
Also:

The team also announced the signing of free agent wide receiver Darnerien McCants to a one-year contract. Punter Dirk Johnson was activated from the Physically Unable To Perform list and added to the active roster.

Rookie safety Jeremy Thornburg also made the cut to 53.


That's not bad, glad they only gave him a one year deal. Hopefully at the minimum. Glad to see Thornburg get a spot.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 03, 2005, 03:51:23 PM
Hugh and Ritchie? What?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 03:52:40 PM
I have a feeling Ritchie may be picked back up later. Kinda like Levens last year.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 03, 2005, 03:57:22 PM
So long as no one else grabs him.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Rome on September 03, 2005, 04:04:18 PM
No way Ritchie should have been cut. 

Parry sucks ass.  :puke

Sorry to see Hugh go but time marches on, I suppose.

BTW: How the farg do Mahe & Wilbur both make the squad again?  Good God.

:-D


BTW: Here's Spads' explanation about Hugh getting waived and whether he might be back: 

QuoteYou never know, but ... Hugh just got passed by because of Cole and so the Eagles will go 4 DEs until McDougle gets back. 

:-\
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 04:06:16 PM
If Ritchie isn't brought back, then I think the Eagles will go in a different direction than Parry.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:06:47 PM
I don't see Simoneau on that list ...
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 03, 2005, 04:07:27 PM
True. The fact that Mahe is makes the cut farging baffles me.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 04:07:46 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:06:47 PM
I don't see Simoneau on that list ...

Look harder, and use a bit of your imagination. Eventually it may appear.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Diomedes on September 03, 2005, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:06:47 PM
I don't see Simoneau on that list ...

I tend to think Ritchie would play a better LB than Simoneau...
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Munson on September 03, 2005, 04:09:02 PM
Yeah, I'm sick of Mahe on the roster.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 03, 2005, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on September 03, 2005, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:06:47 PM
I don't see Simoneau on that list ...

I tend to think Ritchie would play a better LB than Simoneau...

My  four year-old nephew can shed blocks and tackle better than Simoneu....farging waste of a roster spot.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Diomedes on September 03, 2005, 04:11:00 PM
Glad to see Jamaal Green is finally gone.  And Calvin made the team.  :yay
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Rome on September 03, 2005, 04:11:12 PM
More from Spadaro... this time on Ritchie:

QuoteRitchie just couldn't run in the end.... I just talked to Heckert. That's what it came down to ... They think Parry is fine.

   ::)

Man, I disagree with this one.  Parry is teh svck.   :poison
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Diomedes on September 03, 2005, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Monster on September 03, 2005, 03:46:54 PMRookie safety Jeremy Thornburg also made the cut to 53.

:yay

Nice story there.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:14:11 PM
I still miss Tapeh.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Larry on September 03, 2005, 04:23:14 PM
I knew Ritchie was in trouble when Spasz said he was neck-and-neck with Parry.  A healthy Ritchie would've blown Parry away.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 04:28:55 PM
I really liked Ritchie. I'll miss him. MURP at FB for the whole year worries me, even if Andrews is back.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 03, 2005, 04:30:39 PM
I'm hoping the coaches know something we don't (as if this doesn't happen regularly), I just can't see them being that satisfied with Parry. Hopefully that work that waiver wire.  :-\
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 04:36:31 PM
Ritchie doesn't even worry me that much. Hugh is done, that doesn't worry me one bit.

The thing about Ritchie is from watching him it looked like he could hardly move, but even if Parry is better than Ritchie is that good enough?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Feva on September 03, 2005, 04:39:03 PM
Blown away by Ritchie... not that surprised about Hugh.

Although we all love Hugh... you gotta admit that he just ain't the same anymore on the field.  He was in there against 2nd and 3rd teamers and still didn't make too much noise.  Still sucks for him not to be here though.  :-\

As for Ritchie... wow... I guess I just firgured that Ritchie 100% or not >>> Parry.  I still saw (and heard) Ritchie blowing people up for Westbrook.  All I can think is that they want to bring him back after the 1st game for some reason.  Still scratchin' my head on this one.  :-\

I like that Thornburg made the team though.  I already can see him blowing folks up on kickoff coverages.  Our Steve Tasker, perhaps?  :yay
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on September 03, 2005, 04:46:15 PM
I thought Hugh's personality and veteran leadership would have been enough to make the team  :-\

Don't know how Parry beat Ritchie out, he doesn't lead block as well and his hands aren't as good  :boo
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Drunkmasterflex on September 03, 2005, 05:11:05 PM
I have to say that I am kind of disappointed not to see them on the final roster just because they are two of my favorite players.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: hunt on September 03, 2005, 05:33:04 PM
hmmmm...ritchie doesn't shock me but i hope they're still looking to upgrade fb.  hugh caught me off guard, only because i'm not sold on kalu opposite the freak (until mcdougle returns).  thomas looked pretty good backing up kearse in preseason so i suppose they could always move him over to the other side.

and mahe making the team............. :paranoid :P
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Butchers Bill on September 03, 2005, 05:37:56 PM
Ashame about Ritchie, but if he can't really run anymore, and he did appear to be laboring against the Jets, than he is probably done.

I agree with pretty much everyone else in that Mahe should not be here.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: TexasEagle on September 03, 2005, 05:47:14 PM
I'm more bothered Mahe (and to a lesser extent Sims - really didn't see them cutting him no matter how much he sucks) made the team... AGAIN! Get rid of that guy already. What's he going to do, return punts all year and nothing else? Guy's a thief and he's stealing a paycheck!
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Purple_Hayz on September 03, 2005, 05:51:21 PM
I know that Ritchie hasn't been his old self but for me it's still a shot to the gut to read that he's been cut.  I felt the same way when we said goodbye to Kevin Turner, too-deja vu all over again. :(
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 05:54:53 PM
My thing is I'm ok with Ritchie gone if he's done, but I don't like Parry either. Any other FBs out there to get? Doubt it.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 03, 2005, 05:55:40 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 03, 2005, 05:33:04 PM
ritchie doesn't shock me

Stop definding the FO at all turns.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: TexasEagle on September 03, 2005, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: Monster on September 03, 2005, 05:54:53 PM
...but I don't like Parry either.

I don't think anybody likes Parry, he's just the only option since Ritchie's too hurt to help the team.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: hunt on September 03, 2005, 06:19:06 PM
anybody surprised sciullo was cut?  that leaves them with a lot of inexperienced guys backing up the OL.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 03, 2005, 06:24:38 PM
I kinda expected it. He hasn't played very well.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Beermonkey on September 03, 2005, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 03, 2005, 06:19:06 PM
anybody surprised sciullo was cut?  that leaves them with a lot of inexperienced guys backing up the OL.

Not really. Experienced guys that suck don't help much either.  :P
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 03, 2005, 06:52:10 PM
Sciullo played flat-footed.  The guy was ok in pass protection, but getting a push off the line seemed to be an issue.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: hunt on September 03, 2005, 06:54:17 PM
well, i will miss sciullo. :'(


not really...i was just throwing his name out there since he actually got some PT last season. :P
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on September 03, 2005, 08:20:28 PM
Funny, I was just outside saying to the wife that I had a sneaking suspicion that Hugh would be cut. They have a lot of talent on that line, he pretty much disappeared, even with the second-stringers, and his short contract assured minimal cap hit.

I really like the guy, and it's a shame that it came down to that. But that's what the NFL does.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: FreakisaKearseWord on September 03, 2005, 11:45:28 PM
I'm surprised Thornburg made it, I was pulling for him, but I think we have like 4 free safeties now, 3 on the active roster. But I couldn't see Ritchie and Douglas getting cut. I guess they cut Hugh because they were worried about TO's face.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 04, 2005, 01:15:35 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 03, 2005, 04:46:15 PM
I thought Hugh's personality and veteran leadership would have been enough to make the team :-\

Don't know how Parry beat Ritchie out, he doesn't lead block as well and his hands aren't as good :boo

Agreed 100%

I suppose in regards to Hugh's veteran leadership they just figured they had enough of that on the defense already with guys like Dawk and Trott.  I'm really sad to see him go.  I wonder if he's going to sign elsewhere or hang 'em up for good? 

Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 04, 2005, 01:40:33 AM
He's going back to Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 04, 2005, 02:55:18 AM
He'll probably hang around, stay in shape and do some TV work. The Eagles will have the usual pack of injuries to the defensive line, and they'll resign him.

If not, he can always crack jokes with Freddie at the unemplyoment line.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Don Ho on September 04, 2005, 03:24:08 AM
Best thing about Reno making the team is I don't have to change my sponsorship. :paranoid

Jacked that Bruce Perry made it.  We're gonna have one small ass backfield though.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 04, 2005, 03:36:15 AM
This way we don't have to worr about our power back getting hurt.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2005, 04:59:41 AM
Huuuuuugh! :'(

Sad to see him leave.

I'm not sold on Parry. I think he's still looking for someone to block...but I'll wait and see on that.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Cerevant on September 04, 2005, 10:27:12 AM
Team Thornburg thanks you all for your support, and we look forward to a productive stint on the active roster.

C
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: BobbyT on September 04, 2005, 10:42:47 AM
Wouldn't suprise me if someone is brought back after week one to negate the guaranteed salary.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: GeneralZOD on September 04, 2005, 10:43:52 AM
I desperately need to know what the farg does Mahe, McMullen, and Simoneau do to stay on this freakin team!  Everyone knows Detmer is here only because he can hold a football for Akers; he needs to give Akers 80% of his salary and kiss his lucky arse that he's had it good for so long.  I had a small feeling about Hugh, but I didn't want to admit it, especially the way he was about to throw down on TO. Very surprised about Ritchie, but he will find another team.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 04, 2005, 01:00:49 PM
Hahaha... a Q&A to/from Dave on the EMB:

"Dave, do you still think Hugh will get 8 sacks?"
"I would say that's extremely doubtful."
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Larry on September 04, 2005, 01:32:05 PM
Not surprising that we'd go for young blood instead of Hugh.  In fact, RDE, the biggest weakest of our team, has a whole new look.  Last year:

Hugh: 3 sacks
Burgess: 2.5 sacks
McDougle: 2 sacks (which I believe came as a LDE)
Green: 1 sack

Playing opposite the Freak, this is unacceptable.  Kalu, Cole, or even Juqua should do better than that on his own.  Hell, scrubby Kenny Holmes did better than this.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: TexasEagle on September 04, 2005, 02:02:34 PM
I'm glad Thornburg made the team. He's been a good story all summer. I'm hoping for some good things from Juqua this year. The D should be scary.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on September 04, 2005, 03:06:01 PM
Hugh will become the Dorsey Levens of the D-line. Stay near the phone, Hugh. You might get a call later this season.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 04, 2005, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on September 04, 2005, 03:06:01 PM
Hugh will become the Dorsey Levens of the D-line. Stay near the phone, Hugh. You might get a call later this season.

Even if it's just to put a contract out on TO.  :D
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 04, 2005, 03:37:47 PM
Pasquerelli lists Marshall and Ma. Patterson as intriguing cuts.  Some national ink might help them land jobs elsewhere:

QuoteDT Keyonta Marshall and LB Martin Patterson, Philadelphia (both rookies): It's likely the Eagles will re-sign both youngsters to the practice squad if they are not claimed by other teams. Marshall was a seventh-round choice from Grand Valley State, a dominant player versus the run at the Division II level who has some tools and size (6-feet-1, 325 pounds). He played well for Philadelphia in camp and the preseason, but lost out in the "numbers" game, because the Eagles are so deep at the position. An undrafted free agent, Patterson tailed off over the last two weeks, but is a youngster worth considering. Like Marshall, he was a victim of the Eagles' depth. A three-year starter at TCU, Patterson sure passes the "eyeball" test.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhanInDC on September 04, 2005, 03:40:48 PM
I hope the Skins don't get hip to Keyonta, they have shtein at DT, and Keyonta may turn into a terror, and......I farging hate the Skins.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: WEST is GOD on September 04, 2005, 04:01:48 PM
I do miss Hugh. One of my all-time favorite Eagles.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 04, 2005, 04:08:46 PM
No Hugh. No Ike. No Ritchie. No Chad. :-\


Farg Mahe.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 04, 2005, 08:36:13 PM
Hollis is gonna have to step it up with the post game quotes to make up for no Hugh. 
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: BigEd76 on September 05, 2005, 02:20:30 AM
FOXSports.com/AP article (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4839472)

QuoteDouglas now may turn his attention toward a career in broadcasting rather than pursue a job with another team.

hmmmm
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 02:23:10 AM
Good for him. It's time to hang it up.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 05, 2005, 03:12:10 AM
Quote from: MDS on September 04, 2005, 02:55:18 AM
He'll probably hang around, stay in shape and do some TV work. The Eagles will have the usual pack of injuries to the defensive line, and they'll resign him.

If not, he can always crack jokes with Freddie at the unemplyoment line.

I are winnar.  :yay
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 03:45:41 AM
Is there anything you didn't guess he would do there? C'mon.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 05, 2005, 03:47:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 04, 2005, 04:59:41 AM


I'm not sold on Parry. I think he's still looking for someone to block...but I'll wait and see on that.

Me either.  He drops balls in the open.  He fumbles when no one is around.  He didn't block a Raven LB (not Ray Ray) when they called the qb sneak and that LB made McNabb fumble ( I know...Nabby's fault too).  He looked OK this preseason...but I remember when Ritchie went out with is ACL and they brought Parry in...I thought, OK...he was OK in preseason.  Then he sucked it up.  Hopefully he can improve over last year. 

*Note: was last year his first full year playing FB?  I know he was LB before that.

On another note...Eckel didn't have a bad pre-season...he got cut from the Pats.  Wish the Birds would give him a look.  Let him compete vs Parry next year.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: SD_Eagle5 on September 05, 2005, 05:19:52 AM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 05, 2005, 03:47:13 AM
On another note...Eckel didn't have a bad pre-season...he got cut from the Pats.  Wish the Birds would give him a look.  Let him compete vs Parry next year.

Looks like we had interest. (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15156062&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6) But Miami has first choice since they sucked so bad last season.

QuoteMiami and the Eagles both showed an interest in Eckel after his release from the Pats, but since Miami finished with a worse record than the Eagles last season, the Dolphins were able to claim Eckel before the Eagles could.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2005, 11:25:39 AM
Have there been any interviews with Thornberg yet? I'd love to see this kid's reaction to making the team . :yay
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Larry on September 05, 2005, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 05, 2005, 05:19:52 AM
Miami and the Eagles both showed an interest in Eckel after his release from the Pats, but since Miami finished with a worse record than the Eagles last season, the Dolphins were able to claim Eckel before the Eagles could.
It's academic anyhow.  The Fish put Eckel on their active roster.  I don't think we were willing to do the same.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: ice grillin you on September 05, 2005, 11:58:31 AM
if you payed attention you would have seen me call the ritchie cut several months ago

chaulk one up for ole igy
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2005, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on September 05, 2005, 11:58:31 AM
if you payed attention you would have seen me call the ritchie cut several months ago

chaulk one up for ole igy

whatever "chaulk"ing is....
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Wingspan on September 05, 2005, 12:16:43 PM
so when can we start dancing on their graves?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 12:26:58 PM
Dance? I pee on graves.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 01:16:59 PM
I'm saving all my dancing for Trotter and Pinkston.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 05, 2005, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: SD_Eagle on September 05, 2005, 05:19:52 AM
Quote from: pinoyboy2pt0 on September 05, 2005, 03:47:13 AM
On another note...Eckel didn't have a bad pre-season...he got cut from the Pats.  Wish the Birds would give him a look.  Let him compete vs Parry next year.

Looks like we had interest. (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15156062&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18170&rfi=6) But Miami has first choice since they sucked so bad last season.

QuoteMiami and the Eagles both showed an interest in Eckel after his release from the Pats, but since Miami finished with a worse record than the Eagles last season, the Dolphins were able to claim Eckel before the Eagles could.

Damn!  He had a decent pre-season.  I was hoping the birds would have drafted him...him and Adam Bergen.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 05, 2005, 03:02:38 PM
I was hoping for Bergen too.

He might be the starter in Arizona this week...
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyandBCEagles on September 05, 2005, 05:01:16 PM
Anyone else worried that we really only have 2 backup OGs, neither of whom is proven in the NFL??  I mean I guess Armstrong or Herremans could move inside temporarily if needed, but still...I'm worried about our OL depth.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: rjs246 on September 05, 2005, 06:21:52 PM
Parry sucks.

Gras sucks.

Those are my two gripes.

Not having Ritchie to lead block for Westbrook is a bad farging idea if Parry is the alternative.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 05, 2005, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 05, 2005, 06:21:52 PM
Parry sucks.

Gras sucks.

Those are my two gripes.

Not having Ritchie to lead block for Westbrook is a bad farging idea if Parry is the alternative.

Parry's blocking isn't really what concerns me.  I thought that as the year went on last season, he progressed each weak.  Although I still don't think he's as good as Ritchie, his blocking is far from my concern.  My concern is his ability (or lack there of) to take the occasional hand off and pick a few yards or pound it in the endzone or receive the occasional dump pass.  Ritchie's recieving skills I think are what's going to be missed the most. 
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 06:44:36 PM
More screens to Westbrook, I s'pose.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Sgt PSN on September 05, 2005, 06:47:50 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 06:44:36 PM
More screens to Westbrook, I s'pose.

Or Mahe.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 06:53:30 PM
Wait, what about that guy from Washington. Surely he knows how to run a three yard route.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 05, 2005, 06:59:01 PM
Live long and play some fullback:

QuoteSpeaking of fullback, rookie free agent Stephen Spach is primarily focused on the tight end position while toiling at fullback, too.

"We utilized him there during training camp," Reid said. "We need to make sure that most of his concentration is on the tight end spot. But he is a guy that we could use at fullback."
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: rjs246 on September 05, 2005, 07:03:02 PM
Great. Just what the Eagles and this board need... our very own H-back to inspire skins fans to come out of the woodwork and fellate Gibbs some more.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 05, 2005, 07:05:11 PM
I was just chewing back that same vomit.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: BobbyT on September 05, 2005, 07:05:26 PM
A nice birthday gift for Ritchie -  ouch
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: phattymatty on September 05, 2005, 09:53:08 PM
Quote from: Avenger on September 03, 2005, 03:38:41 PM

Wide receiver Carlos Perez


BOOOO!
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: BigEd76 on September 06, 2005, 12:30:43 AM
A big ol' article on Thornburg's weekend (http://philadelphia.comcastsportsnet.com/view_content_0p.asp?ID=14912)

QuoteHe has to find a place to live and a means of transportation. He will spend the night at the apartment of fellow rookie safety Sean Considine.

"I'm homeless right now. I just checked out of my hotel. I have no car," Thornburg said. "Got to move the wife up. It's crazy."

His wife is an accountant for Northern Arizona.

"She's stressing out a lot," Thornburg said. "My job security isn't 100 percent."
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: TempleOwl on September 06, 2005, 08:12:05 AM
I see Merrill, Mike and HUGH in the near future...

Jon Ritchie was having difficulties running and driving off the knee so I'm not surprised they cut him, sad but not surprised.  We will miss Hugh's leadership in the locker room.  I often wonder why teams don't give vets like Hugh a chance to be a coach of some sort to keep the leadership there.

Glad to see Perry get picked for the PS.  If they can cure the fumbles he could be a good one.  Lamar Gorgon instead of Levens is also interesting.  We'll see how thisd minor drama plays out.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 06, 2005, 09:32:07 AM
good article on Thornburg, thanks Ed.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 06, 2005, 09:34:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 05, 2005, 11:25:39 AM
Have there been any interviews with Thornberg yet? I'd love to see this kid's reaction to making the team . :yay

ED...thanks for posting that article.  :yay
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: rjs246 on September 06, 2005, 09:35:39 AM
He'll be off the team by mid-season.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Cerevant on September 06, 2005, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on September 06, 2005, 09:35:39 AM
He'll be off the team by mid-season.
Team Thornburg would like to say, "Bite me"

C
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: phattymatty on September 06, 2005, 10:09:04 AM
Team carlos would like to say we hate you all.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 06, 2005, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 06, 2005, 10:09:04 AM
Team carlos would like to say we hate you all.

You can't sponsor Carlos any longer, as he is no longer part of the Eagles' organization.  There is no "Team carlos."
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: RezRob on September 06, 2005, 11:10:56 AM
I thought Hugh was hurt(shoulder) last year and showed signs that he was healthy this year.  ??? I know how the business works but this sux, losing Hugh is like when your cool uncle/Big Bro  goes away. I hope they re-sign him.  :cfhead
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: phattymatty on September 06, 2005, 11:40:16 AM
Quote from: FFatPatt on September 06, 2005, 10:16:21 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 06, 2005, 10:09:04 AM
Team carlos would like to say we hate you all.

You can't sponsor Carlos any longer, as he is no longer part of the Eagles' organization.  There is no "Team carlos."

You can't tell me what to do.  There is a team Carlos and it's special and you're not invited to the meetings anymore.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: TexasEagle on September 06, 2005, 12:15:07 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on September 06, 2005, 11:40:16 AM
There is a team Carlos and it's special...

Riding the short bus these days, eh, Carlos?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 06, 2005, 12:36:24 PM
Hugh was a veteran leader
Hugh kept the locker room loose
Hugh was one of Reids favorite players

Jaqua Thomas made it over Hugh.


Hugh must have really sucked.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 06, 2005, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 06, 2005, 12:36:24 PM
Hugh was one of Reids favorite players

I think AR really enjoyed Hugh at times and was also extremely annoyed by him at others.  The guy NEVER stops, and Andy's sense of humor definitely has its limits.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 06, 2005, 12:41:04 PM
agreed. 

Im just going with what Big Red said as far as that comment.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: rjs246 on September 06, 2005, 02:18:35 PM
Out of curiosity, has IGY updated the score in his sig?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: RezRob on September 06, 2005, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 06, 2005, 12:36:24 PM
Jaqua Thomas made it over Hugh.

Hugh must have really sucked.
Juqua has a sack like everytime he got on the field, not sure what else he could do to prove he doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 06, 2005, 03:15:20 PM
I thought Jaqua played well, no doubt.   

But when you compare the situations overall, it seems that Hugh is pretty damn bad now. 
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: sallad selgae on September 06, 2005, 04:48:06 PM
Quote from: JailBird-man on September 06, 2005, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: MURP on September 06, 2005, 12:36:24 PM
Jaqua Thomas made it over Hugh.

Hugh must have really sucked.
Juqua has a sack like everytime he got on the field, not sure what else he could do to prove he doesn't suck.

He Needs to start taking Summer classes at BYU.  That'll make him great in Reid's eyes.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 09, 2005, 09:03:22 PM
Bengals | Ritchie Coming for a Workout
Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:40:39 -0700

Jerry McDonald, of InsideBayArea.com, reports free agent FB Jon Ritchie (Eagles) said he is flying to Cincinnati Monday, Sept. 12, for a workout with the Cincinnati Bengals.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 09, 2005, 10:01:37 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 09, 2005, 03:17:32 PM
Speaking of Ritchie:

QuoteRitchie goes grunge

Former Raiders fullback Jon Ritchie lost his job with the Philadelphia Eagles on Saturday. It didn't take long for him to find a new gig. Literally.

Ritchie was at Thursday's game as an invited guest of East Bay band Green Day, passing time between NFL stops touring the East Coast by bus with the popular rockers.

Green Day performed before the game, watched the game from a private suite and then left for its next stop, in Hartford, Conn. From there, Ritchie said, he is off to Cincinnati for a tryout with the Bengals.

"I don't know about (wearing) orange," Ritchie said, always known for his introspective takes on life and football, as well as his hard-nosed style of play.

Ritchie played for the Raiders from 1998-2002. He spent the past two seasons with the Eagles before he was "blindsided" by Philadelphia's last-minute decision to go with younger players at fullback.

Ritchie said he passes the time jamming on guitar with Green Day and even wrote a song that one day might find its way into a Green Day concert.

"Those guys are virtuosos," Ritchie said.

Ritchie said he loves his current gig but "would love to play for the Raiders" again. His wife hails from San Francisco and most of his close friends still live in the Bay Area. He attended Stanford.

;)
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Rome on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.

I'm sure that's what the Eagles did. They CUT the better performing player. Good call.

::)
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2005, 09:42:30 AM
I think they should've kept Ritchie. It's not like they use the FB so much that it would be a big difference, but I prefer Ritchie. Parry certainly didn't impress me last year. The missed blocks and dropped passes after tripping over blades of grass weren't good either.

I just hope Parry is ready to open some holes like Ritchie could.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Rome on September 10, 2005, 09:43:11 AM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.

Thanks for the input, Jon.

BTW: Your queer little band sucks ass.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 09:50:13 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2005, 09:42:30 AM
I think they should've kept Ritchie. It's not like they use the FB so much that it would be a big difference, but I prefer Ritchie. Parry certainly didn't impress me last year. The missed blocks and dropped passes after tripping over blades of grass weren't good either.

I just hope Parry is ready to open some holes like Ritchie could.

Phreak, Reid loved Ritchie as well....he was there all season helping out on the sidelines and such. But how can you possibly DOUBT a move that was pretty obviously the right one? Keep Ritchie and 3 games into the season, we see just how slow he really is on that bad knee.

Ritchie in his prime > Parry
Parry is his prime > Ritchie now
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2005, 09:52:37 AM
I'm just not a Parry fan, that's all. What I saw from last year underwhelmed me. I'm being dead serious when I say this - but I would prefer to see Cecil Martin brought back than have Josh Parry here. ;)
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2005, 09:52:37 AM
I'm just not a Parry fan, that's all. What I saw from last year underwhelmed me. I'm being dead serious when I say this - but I would prefer to see Cecil Martin brought back than have Josh Parry here. ;)

I love squirrel fisting. lol

I'm willing to give Parry some benefit of the doubt and think that last year, being his first real season at FB, will be better this year than last year.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on September 10, 2005, 09:58:10 AM
I sure hope so. I'm rooting for him because he's here and he's vital to the success of the running game and in pass blocking and on the occasion they throw him a bone. But I don't want to see the rumblin-bumblin-stumblin-drop the ball after two yards in the flat where no defender is around him.

We shall see. :P
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 10:25:40 AM
Phreak, I'm in no ways saying that Parry WILL be that great or anything. Don't get me wrong here.

But to say they should have kept Ritchie is something I didn't think YOU'D say! lol. The guy had nothing left from what the coaching staff said. I tend to believe what they see on a daily basis over what we saw in bits and pieces on TV during preseason games. If they say he just couldn't run in the end, I have to believe that is the case. The guy was a hell of a FB before the injury. And he might still be in a year or so, but this is a Super Bowl year for the Eagles. What else would they do? What other FB would you have thought  to have come in here other than Parry or Ritchie? One who would know this system and be able to jump right in?

Realistically, so don't throw Cecil at me. LOL
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Eaglez on September 10, 2005, 10:42:51 AM
What's Jamie Reader up to these days?  ;D
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 10, 2005, 10:45:11 AM
Quote from: Eaglez on September 10, 2005, 10:42:51 AM
What's Jamie Reader up to these days? ;D

Just when I thought that name was gone forever. 
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: mussa on September 10, 2005, 10:50:39 AM
josh parry sucks...i can't believe they cut ritchie
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MURP on September 10, 2005, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: mussa on September 10, 2005, 10:50:39 AM
josh parry sucks...i can't believe they cut ritchie

with your luck, they wont make the next 2 Sin City movies because of your current avatar.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: mussa on September 10, 2005, 10:53:36 AM
lol
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: mussa on September 10, 2005, 11:15:26 AM
the avatar/signature curse doesn't pertain to fictional people. only real ones :evil
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 10, 2005, 11:34:50 AM
I sound like a Gibbs ball gobbler here, but why don't we trust Andy? Doesn't he seem to always make the correct personal decisions? I'm sure Parry was the best option they had, and that they are confident he can do the job. Same goes with Hugh, he probably sucked ass.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 10, 2005, 12:28:26 PM
Thrash and Pinkston were not the correct decisions. Simoneau and Blaine Bishop were not the correct decisions. He'd has a pretty good track record, but let's not pretend he's perfect.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 10, 2005, 12:34:29 PM
Yea but he tends to correct his mistakes (Simoneu not starting, Bishop cut, eventually bringing TO in here). He's not perfect, but he's pretty good.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 10, 2005, 12:36:47 PM
All I know is I have zero expectations for Parry, and I don't expect Westbrook to run for more than 700 yards this year.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: MDS on September 10, 2005, 12:42:42 PM
It won't matter when TO and McNabb kick the crap out of each other on the sideline.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 10, 2005, 12:45:23 PM
Put in McMahon!
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Larry on September 10, 2005, 01:45:24 PM
Parry = more 3-wr sets = passing 70% of the time.

Makes perfect sense when you look at it from Big Red's perspective.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 10, 2005, 02:03:10 PM
Like he didn't pass 70% of the time  from two back sets.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Larry on September 10, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
It was 66%.  2 out of 3 just isn't enough passing. >:D

The way Spudz claims how Parry will only see less than 10% of the plays (which I guestimate will be about 7 plays a game), I think Spach/R.Brown see more field time.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: General_Failure on September 10, 2005, 02:27:04 PM
I have no problems with them keeping Parry off the field because he blows. My only gripe is he limits what they can do because he blows.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Eaglez on September 10, 2005, 02:33:03 PM
I don't even see why we are griping so much about the fullback position.

We always seem to have a singleback set with 3 wide. Rarely ever do we line up two back.  I'm not concerned with someone who really doesn't factor in too much to our overall gameplan. They kept Parry because he can block every once in a while and maybe catch a bone. He's not intergral to this offense in order for it to run smoothly. I pretty much consider him a backup and I bet we won't even open up with him in the backfield on Monday.

Parry can run and hold up for a season, unfortunately Jon can't. At this jecture I percieve it as a wash.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 09:07:45 PM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 10, 2005, 09:43:11 AM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.

Thanks for the input, Jon.

BTW: Your queer little band sucks ass.

I guess you have never heard of Deep Release then...
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.

I'm sure that's what the Eagles did. They CUT the better performing player. Good call.

::)

Did you spend any time at camp this summer? Did you watch the preseason games? Tell me how exactly did Parry outperform Ritchie? I didn't see it. Ritchie is a vet and reliable fullback. He's a great instinctive blocker. Parry simply lacks that inate instinct.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Geowhizzer on September 10, 2005, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 09:10:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyGirl on September 10, 2005, 09:36:27 AM
Quote from: Stanley Kubrick on September 10, 2005, 05:20:05 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on September 09, 2005, 10:16:28 PM
Blindsided?

What a crock of shtein.

:-D

I think that's what you call it when you outperform another player but still get cut.

I'm sure that's what the Eagles did. They CUT the better performing player. Good call.

::)

Did you spend any time at camp this summer? Did you watch the preseason games? Tell me how exactly did Parry outperform Ritchie? I didn't see it. Ritchie is a vet and reliable fullback. He's a great instinctive blocker. Parry simply lacks that inate instinct.

Parry's related to IGY?
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: methdeez on September 10, 2005, 11:17:57 PM
Bring back Stanley Pritchett!
;D
I always liked that guy.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: hunt on September 12, 2005, 12:17:46 PM
the colts have 190 lb james mungro starting at fb....i say they stick reno at fb & see what happens.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 12, 2005, 12:24:17 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 12:17:46 PM
the colts have 190 lb james mungro starting at fb....i say they stick reno at fb & see what happens.

Yeah, let's see how good of a blocker he really is.  After all, the reason he's on the team is because he does all the "little" things well (like blocking), right?  Ha.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: RezRob on September 12, 2005, 12:27:10 PM
Quote from: mhunt on September 12, 2005, 12:17:46 PM
the colts have 190 lb james mungro starting at fb....i say they stick reno at fb & see what happens.

Mungro tore us a new one about 3 years ago...That was an ugly farging game.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: PoopyfaceMcGee on September 13, 2005, 10:19:11 AM
From Dave:

QuoteAll Reno did was cover kicks and block on the KO return, which he did not do well.

I noticed this too... Reno was awful, even on special teams.  You have to figure he won't make it through the season.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: Zanshin on September 13, 2005, 10:23:45 AM
He was his usual self.  Burns me to see him active over Moats, really.
Title: Re: Hugh Douglas and Jon Ritchie cut!
Post by: ice grillin you on September 13, 2005, 10:26:20 AM
Burns me to see him active over Moats, really

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