Cafardo from the Globe is saying that Ruben Amaro Jr is under consideration for the manager position.
WTF
(https://pics.me.me/did-yourreally-ust-say-that-com-17624587.png)
Lol...it's a real thing.
https://www.thescore.com/news/1394268
ummm, no.
settle down
it's a courtesy interviewer
the guy is a legacy
it doesnt even make any sense. beyond it being a pr disaster, amaro is a fossil who thinks batting average matters. he would bunt and steal bases and reject every piece of advanced data the front office gives him.
let me be more clear
it's not a real interview
They just want to interview a minority to get it out of the way, sort of like the Eagles did with Duce, although there's no obligation on their part like the Rooney rule.
But we all love Duce
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 09, 2017, 01:55:49 PM
settle down
it's a courtesy interviewer
the guy is a legacy
(https://carbunkletrumpet.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/news_dorfman.gif)
:-D :-D
Kent Dorfman > RAJ
funny reference but that movie has not aged well
just beware
Jorge Velandia second interview (after Samuel). CSN is labeling him a "strong candidate."
top 5 all time look test fail
(http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sites/csnphilly/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/2017/10/11/usa-jorge-velandia.jpg?itok=FbBeZ0zJ)
WTF is that?
Looks like a cross of RAJ and Doug Pederson.
In other words, more than likely the Phils' next manager.
Haven't heard that name in years
No thanks, Klentak.
lol at having any opinion of him or any other random 40 year old candidate with zero experience
baseball managing is mostly about not being a fleshpop. then its about making the right late game moves. im sure this guy isnt a fleshpop. nobody has any idea if him or alex cora or anyone else is going to know when to pull nola and bring in neris, etc.
no one who looks like that has ever been a great manager and no one ever will
Joe Torre looks like a cross between a circus fat lady and a silver back gorilla and he won 50 rings.
Havas' look test weirdo thing always trips me out
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 12, 2017, 11:57:08 AM
no one who looks like that has ever been a great manager and no one ever will
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Quote from: Rome on October 12, 2017, 01:08:19 PM
Joe Torre looks like a cross between a circus fat lady and a silver back gorilla and he won 50 rings.
they are both old now but in their primes larussa looks like he'd wrap a horse head in your bed linens and torre looked like the guy who ordered him to do it
whatever that thing the Phillies are interviewing looked like he used to get his ass cheeks taped together every day after gym class
lolol that's pretty accurate on LaRussa and Torre
Mickey Callaway is a candidate
Surprised Brad Mills name hasn't come up. Hope it doesn't.
why would that fossil come up? they are hiring a young buck first timer. not challenging.
Managing a Major League team isn't easy. Hiring someone with zero expertise as a manager would incredibly stupid, but not surprising.
I still think Wathan is the pick.
experience doesnt really have much to do with success when it comes to baseball managing
dave roberts seems to be doing well in LA...counsell in milwaukee....whats his face in houston....it goes on
QuoteThe Phillies still have their sights on Buck Showalter (if Orioles owner Peter Angelos lets him out of the last year of his contract and receives compensation).
lil guys head will explode
He's anti sabr right?
hes mike pence and sabr is a gay bakery
Lolol. That was an all-time moon shot right there.
A+++
i love buck. hes a winner. but like i said before when he didnt bring in britton last year that did it for me. he cannot be trusted. you can get him to agree to following analytics and such but its his call when to bring in a relief pitcher or when to pull a starter. and that will destroy me.
at least they aren't hiring ron gardenhire
gabe kaplan linked to the phils manager job
smart forward thinking liberal progressive jew. remind you of anyone?
Sarah Silverman?
even if kaplan was a neanderthal baseball fan like j i would still want him for his liberalness. he probably wont be on the front lines calling trump a fascist but just knowing hes on the right team warms my heart.
queue the welcome back kotter theme.
i was jewing him up so much i called him kaplan
its kapler.
As long as Vinnie Barbarino isn't the third base coach, I'm IN.
QuoteBob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the Phillies are "zeroing in" on Triple-A manager Dusty Wathan to take over as the big club's manager.
Nice resume but I'd rather they select someone outside the organization. A Manager with major league experience to groom a young team.
I dunno...a triple a manager for a triple a franchise seems about right.
managers dont groom players...they manage personalities and make decisions. dusty isnt going to have time to sit with jp crawford and go over his swing in the batting cages.
everyone seems to like him so what the heck. his key hire will be pitching coach.
9 years ago today
https://youtu.be/i4IHefE3xgY
heyman says kaplar!
i farging love this
Why do you love this
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Why do you love this
im not against it but kapler is a monster sabr guy
-forward thinker
-analytically driven
-progressive on and off the field
-allows them to keep wathan on staff
-completely removes them from old fart baseball minds in serious roles
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2017, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2017, 08:48:44 PM
Why do you love this
im not against it but kapler is a monster sabr guy
I'm not either I just don't know anything about him as a manager other than what you said about him being a sabr geek.
I hope he works out. I'll need to prepare myself for this season and the arguments with lil guy
youve seen your last bunt
I wanted an outside the organization guy. No managerial experience, mega saber guy...sure why not
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
youve seen your last bunt
youve also seen the last time a "closer" will be held for a save situation the road. youre going to see more shifts and youre going to see a cock worshiping of obp.
Will he suggest hitters maybe don't hit right into the shift? Maybe try to go the other way?
underrated aspect of gabe kapler is how diesel he is
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on October 29, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
Will he suggest hitters maybe don't hit right into the shift? Maybe try to go the other way?
im sure he will but you worshiped the ground charlie walked on and he i guess never said that to choke
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
underrated aspect of gabe kapler is how diesel he is
bear jew
What makes this guy a remotely qualified manager? This has disaster written all over it, but then again, this is the losingest franchise in the history of sports, so it's probably gonna turn out for the best.
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
underrated aspect of gabe kapler is how diesel he is
bear jew
lol
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2017, 09:26:30 PM
What makes this guy a remotely qualified manager? This has disaster written all over it, but then again, this is the losingest franchise in the history of sports, so it's probably gonna turn out for the best.
what made dave roberts qualified?
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2017, 09:26:30 PM
but then again, this is the losingest franchise in the history of sports
just ahead of the eagles
jesus look at his twitter avi and header pic
https://twitter.com/gabekapler
how could you not be IN
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2017, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: Rome on October 29, 2017, 09:26:30 PM
What makes this guy a remotely qualified manager? This has disaster written all over it, but then again, this is the losingest franchise in the history of sports, so it's probably gonna turn out for the best.
what made dave roberts qualified?
Actually nothing. But then again look at the Dodgers roster. The best thing about this hire is he had something to do with assembling it. He was also a finalist for the Dodgers gig before Roberts got the job, so that's a plus in his favor.
His hiring really makes little difference if Klentak can't drastically improve the roster.
I'm actually thrilled they didn't hire a retread and I don't hate the hire either.
the roster isnt going to be drastically improved
the lineup you will see in april is the core of what they will go with going forward. theres going to be some opportunity to get big time players, sure, but this is what they got. pitching wise their talent is 2ish years away, so there will be some more stop gaps but i think they will be higher quality.
im anticipating 2 starting pitchers being added, either trade or signing. my dream is to get hamels back.
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
-forward thinker
-analytically driven
-progressive on and off the field
-allows them to keep wathan on staff
-completely removes them from old fart baseball minds in serious roles
check
check
check
check
check
no issues with this hire at all
Wathan has a good resume and the players love him but I just see Ryne Sandberg all over. I'm fine with an out of the box hire who wants to try something new. So farg it.
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
the roster isnt going to be drastically improved
the lineup you will see in april is the core of what they will go with going forward. theres going to be some opportunity to get big time players, sure, but this is what they got. pitching wise their talent is 2ish years away, so there will be some more stop gaps but i think they will be higher quality.
im anticipating 2 starting pitchers being added, either trade or signing. my dream is to get hamels back.
The roster won't be drastically improved in this offseason but it will within 2-3 years. 2018 is a throwaway year and that's one of the reasons I'm fine with this guy getting OTJ experience.
does kapler speak spic?
probably not unless he took some rosetta stone classes lately
he did start a foundation for domestic violence victims though
Quote from: MDS on October 29, 2017, 11:19:04 PM
he did start a foundation for domestic violence victims though
He just lost my vote
Quote from: ice grillin you on October 29, 2017, 11:14:28 PM
does kapler speak spic?
He can probably relate to japs so lets go get some of those too.
My sister in law is married to one and didn't find that funny.
would hit
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNTTEc6UEAAECk2.jpg)
Kapvindiesel is official
How many times did lil guy yank it last night to Kapler pics?
He hasn't posted this morning so I'm guessing 12 hours
i watch incest porn only
kapler gotta be gay right?
according to his bio he was married for 14 years, filed for divorce in 2013. Wouldn't be a surprise to hear he's a switch hitter.
He once wrote a blog post (https://deadspin.com/gabe-kaplers-advice-to-baseball-players-get-a-nice-tan-1724025612) about how important it is to tan your nuts.
I'm putting the odds at 60%
liberal progressive gay jew
wonder how the trump portion of the fan base is coping with this
Quote from: MDS on October 31, 2017, 10:15:38 AM
i watch incest porn only
so then uncle gabe paid you a visit last night.
Quote from: QB Eagles on October 31, 2017, 11:01:35 AM
He once wrote a blog post (https://deadspin.com/gabe-kaplers-advice-to-baseball-players-get-a-nice-tan-1724025612) about how important it is to tan your nuts.
I'm putting the odds at 60%
lmaooooo
fun fact:
the phillies have never participated in a game 7
farg u Mitch Williams and farg u Brad Lidge/Heidi.
No. No. And No.
im about 90% sure kaplar is going to be great but is going to be annoy the ever living hell out of everyone and be fired in 2 years
Your homie Howard Eskin already hates him
eskin was an embarrassment 20 years ago now its actually insulting he still gets to do things
So who did the king want?
was reading an article on gabe kapler and out of 25 players on one of the red sox teams he was on he was the only democrat
plane in Gulf of Mexico one dead....tail number matches Roy Halliday's plane
twitter has been going crazy for a few hours with this and the dude hasnt responded...word would get to him and hed throw something out there
brace yourselves
wait, what ?
my favorite memory of halladay was when igy said chris capuano was just as good as him
for halladay being dead and a monsoon of fake twitter sadness
too late...the good thing about knowing he's dead is so much of it has already happened
someone is dead and everyone is just hoping its not roy halladay
someone is still dead you psychopaths...but oh who cares just dont take a rich retired athlete from us
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
my favorite memory of halladay was when igy said chris capuano was just as good as him
Thought it was Tommy Hanson
Damn it was Roy.
Thoughts and prayers
wonder if cliff lee really feels bad about blowing a 4-1 lead now
Confirmed. RIP
Quote from: AO1 on November 07, 2017, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
my favorite memory of halladay was when igy said chris capuano was just as good as him
Thought it was Tommy Hanson
HOF HANSEN!!
Think he's dead too
Bummer about Doc. That sucks. Those small planes are shtein. He always posted a ton of pics flying it
Quote from: AO1 on November 07, 2017, 04:14:59 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
my favorite memory of halladay was when igy said chris capuano was just as good as him
Thought it was Tommy Hanson
hanson for a time was supposed to be amazing. capuano was nothing more than quad A pitcher who he went crazy about for one stretch because i dont know who knows
At least Cory Lidle isnt alone now.
Loved watching him pitch. His playoff no hitter was amazing. RIP.
Quote from: A01 on November 07, 2017, 04:24:09 PM
At least Cory Lidle isnt alone now.
at least lidle crashed into a building
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/925328575372423168
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/920357724268920838
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/918938596287098886
Looks like it was a new plane.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 07, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Loved watching him pitch. His playoff no hitter was amazing. RIP.
That was such an awesome moment and his perfect game in Miami. Shocking.
Quote from: MDS on November 07, 2017, 04:05:39 PM
someone is dead and everyone is just hoping its not roy halladay
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 07, 2017, 04:28:25 PM
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/925328575372423168
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/920357724268920838
https://twitter.com/royhalladay/status/918938596287098886
Looks like it was a new plane.
and apparently a new flyer
halladay had four seasons of at least 250k and 35 or less BB....no other pitcher has more than two
wonder if they wouldve retired his jersey
hes a first ballot HOF but more of his career was with toronto. i would say no, but now who knows.
I don't usually get emotional about strangers dying but good god. RIP
Quote from: Rome on November 07, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
I don't usually get emotional about strangers dying but good god. RIP
Thankfully his nephew wasn't in the passenger seat
Life is fleeting. Savor every precious minute. Seems like Halladay did just that. Rest in peace.
Quote from: AO1 on November 07, 2017, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: Rome on November 07, 2017, 05:21:04 PM
I don't usually get emotional about strangers dying but good god. RIP
Thankfully his nephew wasn't in the passenger seat
he did spin out in water tho
Freddy robbed of the GG
These bored rich guys and their farging boats and planes.
Loved rooting for Doc. His playoff no-hitter and perfect game are two games I'll never forget. RIP.
Doc flying around more assholishly than Jerome Brown was driving: http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/08/roy-halladay-plane-crash-video-witnesses-showboating/
CTE?
Boston gonna Boston (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/pair-boston-sports-radio-hosts-mock-roy-halladay-death-article-1.3620172)
i am totally shocked that a guy with a new toy showed off.
Quote from: A01 on November 08, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
Boston gonna Boston (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/pair-boston-sports-radio-hosts-mock-roy-halladay-death-article-1.3620172)
they aint wrong
theyre not but if you have any shred of common decency you dont say that
Quote from: MDS on November 09, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
theyre not but if you have any shred of common decency you dont say that
or common sense
ratings >> decency, sense or compassion.
Quote from: AO1 on November 09, 2017, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: MDS on November 09, 2017, 11:56:27 AM
theyre not but if you have any shred of common decency you dont say that
or common sense
halladay or the radio guys?
Mocking a superior human being for acting foolishly is so much fun. Makes everyone doing so feel better about their miserable, pathetic farging existence.
I hope both of those punks die screaming.
it can be both....you call him an idiot for stupidly leaving two young sons fatherless and think those dopes on the radio while correct are also uncouth
They were mean and hurtful for no other reason than they knew by doing so they'd garner attention for themselves. They're despicable pieces of shtein, the both of them.
And there's a way you can say Halladay acted recklessly. You say, "Halladay acted recklessly."
you had possibly hundreds of posts mocking and making fun of sean taylor sorry if i dont believe your faux concern now for how roy halladay is being treated post mortem
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2017, 01:00:14 PM
it can be both....you call him an idiot for stupidly leaving two young sons fatherless and think those dopes on the radio while correct are also uncouth
How about option C
Don't say a word about it on air.
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2017, 01:36:58 PM
you had possibly hundreds of posts mocking and making fun of sean taylor sorry if i dont believe your faux concern now for how roy halladay is being treated post mortem
First of all, no I didn't. Second, I'm not broadcasting my opinions over the air to thousands of people, so if I make fun of someone for getting shot in the dick, it's a case of maybe 10 people taking offense. Third, Sean Taylor was a piece of shtein human and Halladay wasn't, so farg him and farg you too.
ok lets stop this dumb convo
1. halladay did a dumb thing
2. you dont mock seemingly decent people's deaths in a public format
the rest of you can now go fly your planes over the gulf
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2017, 01:48:11 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on November 09, 2017, 01:36:58 PM
you had possibly hundreds of posts mocking and making fun of sean taylor sorry if i dont believe your faux concern now for how roy halladay is being treated post mortem
Third, Sean Taylor was a piece of shtein human and Halladay wasn't, so farg him and farg you too.
lol i was waiting for this and it actually happened even quicker than i expected...this is what it boils down to....a loud cocky negro v. the guy who ran wind sprints up the stadium stairs after each start
phillies plus salt of the earth = dont say a farging word about this god
washington football team plus inner city mongoloid = mock ruthlessly
Anyone know when the Halladay candle light vigil is planned for?
Hypocritical reverse racist faux liberal fargfaces should die screaming too.
Quote from: Rome on November 09, 2017, 02:52:28 PM
Hypocritical reverse racist faux liberal fargfaces should die screaming too.
Halladay probably died screaming too
Sudden acceleration disruption disorder?
Thats just SADD.
some all-star trolling be going on in here.
RIP mark appel
ken giles is just a closer but that trade was terrible
The Phillies hired an assistant hitting coach who is 28 and never got a hit in the Major Leagues. Oh and his name is Pedro Guerrero. Not that one.
You literally can't make this shtein up.
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2017, 11:10:21 AM
The Phillies hired an assistant hitting coach who is 28 and never got a hit in the Major Leagues. Oh and his name is Pedro Guerrero. Not that one.
You literally can't make this shtein up.
Joe Maddon never played MLB, but became a successful hitting coach and manager.
Not at all suggesting that Guerrero will have a coaching and managing career like Maddon, but the lack of a MLB pedigree does not mean he can't. The lack of any track record (2 seasons coaching in the minors) is more worrying to me than not playing in the majors.
The fact that he's coaching and born in 1988 does make me feel damn old.
Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Imagine how successful everyone could be if they dropped out of college!
Quote from: Rome on November 23, 2017, 03:04:09 PM
Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Imagine how successful everyone could be if they dropped out of college!
Steve Jobs dropped out as well. And Todd finished. You may have something there!
Cuban Miguel Gonzalez dead from a car accident
wait they one they signed a few years ago who was terrible
Yes
He was a terrible pitcher but an even worse driver.
he appeared in six games for the phillies and they lost each one
david buchanan, jerome williams and 4 aj burnetts were the starting pitchers in those games
MAG tight?
Eskin is saying that Utley is under consideration as a bench coach under Kapler
Yay?
I'm awaiting the reaction of igy on this one lol
Hopefully it kills him.
Isn't this rumor/speculation like 3 days old? I feel like I read about it before thanksgiving.
I'm down with it though. All that fine grit in his ass is gonna keep the bench nice and smooth so players don't get splinters and go on the DL for 2 months.
It may be but I just saw it
Kapler is opening himself there too - struggle and the calls for Grit to take over will be loud
eskin
stop
this isnt even a cyber monday deal its just marked down
https://www.finishline.com/store/product/mens-majestic-philadelphia-phillies-mlb-mike-schmidt-throwback-jersey/prod1510000?styleId=7267PHP&colorId=BLU
i dont even like jerseys i couldnt say no
thankfully brock stassi signed with someone else - the twins
welcome back pat neshak
2 years, 16/17 per
lotta money for a middle reliever but they have so much of it to burn
Quote from: MDS on December 11, 2017, 04:49:25 PM
welcome back pat neshak
2 years, 16/17 per
lotta money for a middle reliever but they have so much of it to burn
no way it can be 16 per....that has to be the total value
It's $16M total. It's also an air freshener for a casket.
http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2017/12/latest-buzz-on-machado.html
Plz
yes lets trade 2 of their best prospects for a guy that will be a free agent next year anyway. machado is definitely gonna hit the market. just open up the checkbook then.
Quote from: AntiRome on December 11, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
It's $16M total. It's also an air freshener for a casket.
yea its a mil 4 bonus, then 5.5 per year. that sounds better.
QuotePhillies are considering Jake Arrieta. Many of their execs know him well from when they were with the Orioles.
boras is getting desperate i see
Looks like they're signing Addison Reed
Scratch that - they're signing Tommy Hunter per Gelb
woot
this is the strategy i thought theyd have, but in order for it to be successful, you need better relievers.
hunter-neshak-neris-garcia-morgan isnt going to cut it. but if this is the baseline then thats ok. starting pitching is impossible to find and nonexistent in the playoffs. this is the new reality.
Because little sabr nerds have reduced starting pitching to 5IP and getting paid eight figures a year fornit.
(deep breath)
it has nothing to do with sabr nerds and everything to do with hitters, coaching and advanced scouting being superior. there are, quite simply, not that many pitchers who are good enough to get batters out 3 and 4 times a game.
Ok.
I disagree. It's because pitchers get close to that 100 pitch limit and they're conditioned to know they're done. Let them pitch longer.
um, no.
no starting pitcher wants to quit after 4 inning. its just simple facts.
If they let them throw more and got their stamina up they'd be able to go deeper into games.
Quality starts stat may be one of the worst.
literally nobody cares about the QS and you are making that up
please talk to pitching coaches before you continue with this asinine stuff
Pitching coaches are complicit in limiting the throwing of starters
its all a big conspiracy and you figured it out
what universe are you from
The one where pitchers would throw 120-130 and not die
1) that was before youth travel circuit destroyed kids arms. separate issue but having these kids wear out there arms so much at 14-18 isnt good.
2) again, a fresh pitcher facing a lineup for the first time is better than a tired pitcher facing that same lineup for the 3rd and 4th times.
there are a handful of exceptions. kershaw. verlander. sale. NOLA! but theres a reason why barely anybody throws 200 innings anymore.
kinsler to the angels, which takes away the most likely trade partner for cesar
im mixed on this. hes a good player with a low ceiling. but there are no guarantees about JP and kingery. giving up on an established player for them is iffy.
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2017, 09:06:51 AM
1) that was before youth travel circuit destroyed kids arms. separate issue but having these kids wear out there arms so much at 14-18 isnt good.
2) again, a fresh pitcher facing a lineup for the first time is better than a tired pitcher facing that same lineup for the 3rd and 4th times.
there are a handful of exceptions. kershaw. verlander. sale. NOLA! but theres a reason why barely anybody throws 200 innings anymore.
Yeah. They're gaping Hoydas. Lol at the youth travel circuit. You really do live in your own world, kid.
romey i expect this type of ignorance from he is a fossil playing internet tough guy....j is my age and wasnt even raised in the previous era
On a lark, I looked up the records for most innings pitched in a season and did a few Wikipedia bunny trails. The top 104 were all before 1900, and were some crazy totals. Some guy named Will White pitched 680 innings in 1879, though overhand pitching was not allowed until 1884.
Charlie "Old Hoss" Radbourn pitched 678 2/3 in 1884, including starting 40 out of 43 from July 23 to September 24. He won 59 games (officially).
Steve Carlton pitched over 300 twice, in 1972 and 1980. Roy Halladay had 250 in 2010. Last year's leader was Aaron Nola with 168.
Different times.
and halladay threw his arm out at 35. but man oh man those 250+ IP seasons were totally worth it.
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2017, 08:25:39 PM
and halladay threw his arm out at 35. but man oh man those 250+ IP seasons were totally worth it.
they weren't?
Maybe if he'd have thrown a few less pitches he would have had better control of his aircraft and he'd be with us today. RIP Roy.
get motherfargers get
QuoteThe Baltimore Orioles hope to trade Manny Machado by the end of the week
I agree get but are they going to have to surrender the entire farm system for him? Any player other than Hoskins on the roster is fine but will they trade for him without him agreeing to an A-Rod deal?
This is where bookworm Klentak will earn his money.
their system is overrated and machado is 25...there isnt a single player in the phillies organization i wouldnt give up for manny but if you are putting in order who i would least give up nola and sixto would be ahead of hoskins
hes going to be a free agent next year...why on earth would you trade for him. hes not signing an extension here or anywhere.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2017, 10:19:13 AM
hes going to be a free agent next year...why on earth would you trade for him. hes not signing an extension here or anywhere.
chicago trying to sign him to an extension right now and if they cant they will trade him to the yankees who will
the orioles arent going to let him get to the yankees...they hate them more than j hates common sense and logic
the most likely scenario for MM is a deadline trade to not the yankees, then theres an insane bidding war for him next winter
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
their system is overrated and machado is 25...there isnt a single player in the phillies organization i wouldnt give up for manny but if you are putting in order who i would least give up nola and sixto would be ahead of hoskins
Sorry I meant on the current 25 roster. I'd give up 24 of them including NOLA.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
the orioles arent going to let him get to the yankees...they hate them more than j hates common sense and logic
the most likely scenario for MM is a deadline trade to not the yankees, then theres an insane bidding war for him next winter
they have no control where he goes after they trade him....word is now if the sox will include gio and koepeck its a done deal...they would ideally sign him long term but if not they will move him to the yanks
Quote from: AntiRome on December 13, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 13, 2017, 09:06:51 AM
1) that was before youth travel circuit destroyed kids arms. separate issue but having these kids wear out there arms so much at 14-18 isnt good.
2) again, a fresh pitcher facing a lineup for the first time is better than a tired pitcher facing that same lineup for the 3rd and 4th times.
there are a handful of exceptions. kershaw. verlander. sale. NOLA! but theres a reason why barely anybody throws 200 innings anymore.
Lol at the youth travel circuit. You really do live in your own world, kid.
he's right.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2017, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
the orioles arent going to let him get to the yankees...they hate them more than j hates common sense and logic
the most likely scenario for MM is a deadline trade to not the yankees, then theres an insane bidding war for him next winter
they have no control where he goes after they trade him....word is now if the sox will include gio and koepeck its a done deal...they would ideally sign him long term but if not they will move him to the yanks
they arent trading him to the sox just so he can flipped to the yanks. stop being paranoid about the big bad yankees. this isnt 1998.
youre not going to believe this but its possible they dont even have the money for machado. they could be looking at him as a rental since they have a title team.
Gonna be a sad day here on CF when the fantasy of Machado in a Phils uniform finally dies.
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 14, 2017, 12:31:31 PM
Gonna be a sad day here on CF when the fantasy of Machado in a Phils uniform finally dies.
Imagine the joy though, when Trout's in a Phillies uniform and him and Wentz are buddy buddy.
It's the year 2022. Carson Wentz, Joel Embiid, and Mike Trout, all 100% healthy and still the best superstar players in their respective leagues, are attending a party celebrating the Flyers third consecutive Stanley Cup. Wentz cracks a joke about the 0-16 season the Cowboys have just endured. Embiid responds by trashing Lonzo Ball, still gratuitously mocking him three years after he flamed out of the NBA and joined the other Ball brothers overseas. Trout just smiles, so happy that he choose to come home, and confident that he will one day surpass Barry Bonds' home run record playing for the team he grew up with.
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2017, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 14, 2017, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: MDS on December 14, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
the orioles arent going to let him get to the yankees...they hate them more than j hates common sense and logic
the most likely scenario for MM is a deadline trade to not the yankees, then theres an insane bidding war for him next winter
they have no control where he goes after they trade him....word is now if the sox will include gio and koepeck its a done deal...they would ideally sign him long term but if not they will move him to the yanks
they arent trading him to the sox just so he can flipped to the yanks. stop being paranoid about the big bad yankees. this isnt 1998.
youre not going to believe this but its possible they dont even have the money for machado. they could be looking at him as a rental since they have a title team.
QuoteLAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. – In a surprising turn of events, the rebuilding Chicago White Sox have emergedas the most aggressive suitor for Orioles third baseman Manny Machado, according to major-league sources.
The White Sox want to land Machado and sign him long-term before he becomes a free agent at the end of the season, sources said. However, the possibility also exists that the White Sox could flip Machado to another club — most likely the New York Yankees — and secure additional prospects for what already is one of the game's best farm systems, if not the best.
The Orioles, who seek two young, controllable starting pitchers for Machado, also have spoken about their three-time All-Star with the Yankees, San Francisco Giants, Boston Red Sox and St. Louis Cardinals, sources said.
There is no indication that Orioles owner Peter Angelos would give final approval to a trade of his team's best player. But Angelos' son, Lou, is helping drive the team's discussions on Machado at the winter meetings, providing impetus and direction, sources said.
Machado, 25, would be young enough to lead the White Sox's return to prominence, provided the team acquired him and signed him long-term. He has informed the Orioles he wants to return to shortstop, his original position, but one he has played only sparingly in the majors. The White Sox could accommodate that wish, displacing Tim Anderson, who at 24 is only a year younger than Machado.
Dan Duquette, the Orioles' vice-president of baseball operations, told The Baltimore Sun he would consider trading Machado to an AL East rival, even the Yankees. Peter Angelos, though, likely would balk at trading Machado to the Yankees, sources said. A deal to the White Sox would be more comfortable short-term for the Orioles, though Machado always could return to the AL East as a free agent after the 2018 season.
The extent of the Orioles' direct conversations with the Yankees and Red Sox on Machado is not clear. The San Francisco Giants offered third baseman Christian Arroyo as part of a package, but the teams could not find a match, sources said. The Cardinals considered the Orioles' request for two young starting pitchers too steep after trading four prospects, including right-hander Sandy Alcantara, to the Miami Marlins for outfielder Marcell Ozuna.
some orioles guy is saying the o's want sixto and the phils are like NOPE
again. im gonna bet hes hitting the open market.
If he agrees to a contract extension with no out clause, then who cares who they give up?
Would you give up Sixto and Kingery?
I would
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
Would you give up Sixto and Kingery?
I would
theres no two players you dont give up for him if he agrees to sign long term
No doubt
Interesting note. Phillies last time not having a former player of theirs as a ML coach or manager was 1933.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2017, 07:42:02 PM
Would you give up Sixto and Kingery?
I would
If he agreed to a long-term deal he couldn't weasel out of?
Wouldn't even blink.
1) the orioles have said there would be no negotiating window
2) he is signing a stanton-like deal that will include several opt outs
3) he is not signing a deal with the worthless phillies, right now, until they prove they have talent
4) regardless of anything he is hitting the market in 2018
5) you dont trade your closest hitting prospect and best overall prospect -- and one of the best in baseball, who was scooped up by boras -- for a farging possible rental.
its amazing to me how uneducated people can be that follow baseball closely.
galvis to the daddys for a pitching prospect, enyel de los santos.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 08:53:30 AM
1) the orioles have said there would be no negotiating window
2) he is signing a stanton-like deal that will include several opt outs
3) he is not signing a deal with the worthless phillies, right now, until they prove they have talent
4) regardless of anything he is hitting the market in 2018
5) you dont trade your closest hitting prospect and best overall prospect -- and one of the best in baseball, who was scooped up by boras -- for a farging possible rental.
its amazing to me how uneducated people can be that follow baseball closely.
No one ever said they'd trade Kingery & Sexto for a rental.
phils sign 3 yr $60mil deal with carlos Santana ...Hoskins to LF now ?
been doing some reading on the galvis trade....the guy they got from the padres becomes a top ten phillies prospect...not a bad haul for basically a garbage player who had no future with the team
Quote from: smeags on December 15, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
phils sign 3 yr $60mil deal with carlos Santana ...Hoskins to LF now ?
I don't really understand this move whatsoever aside from a "we have money to burn" pov. He's 31, type of player a contender would add. $20 million per is steep.
Ok Todd, tell me why I'm wrong.
Quote from: AO1 on December 15, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 15, 2017, 02:09:39 PM
phils sign 3 yr $60mil deal with carlos Santana ...Hoskins to LF now ?
I don't really understand this move whatsoever aside from a "we have money to burn" pov. He's 31, type of player a contender would add. $20 million per is steep.
Ok Todd, tell me why I'm wrong.
i totally agree its a move that a team trying to win would make....the other side is that it massively upgrades 1B and money dont mean shtein to them
have to believe an OF gets moved for pitching now
I don't understand the Santana signing.
$60 mil?
Which OF is getting traded? ODub?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
I don't understand the Santana signing.
$60 mil?
Which OF is getting traded? ODub?
whichever one makes sense in a deal....or none do and the worst one is a OF4
Did he get a NTC?
Because I can see Santana wanting out midway thru next season
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2017, 08:39:26 PM
Did he get a NTC?
no...in fact theres a club option for a fourth year
I understand trading Freddy too. But I loved watching him play defense.
The dude they got for him good?
i only know what i read but of all the pieces i checked out he slots into being the phillies 8-10 best prospect....not bad for garbage like freddy
Yeah an all glove no bat SS yielding that return is not bad
I guess they'll package one of the OFs with Cesar for a SP?
I'd prefer not to deal Altherr, ODub or Williams. But if I had to pick one I'd prob deal Altherr
santana was signed to show everyone that they are serious about winning. they are likely going to package some combination of cesar, an outfielder and possibly more to get a starting pitcher along the lines of archer, cole or stroman. i hate cole, but would welcome the other 2.
it doesnt hurt that santana is dominican and so is manny.
but really they got a middle of the order bat who controls the strike zone. hes mostly going to play 1B but can survive in RF if need be. the phils evidently liked hoskins in LF enough. hes young enough where it's fine.
the money means nothing because they have so much of it to burn. the years are limited. they might have to eat the 3rd year, but so what. this is a culture establishing move. its like what they did in 03 by signing thome or what the nats did in 11 by signing werth. santana is only a 3 win player but hes been in the playoffs a lot, has won a lot and the move will show free agents next year (along with the bullpen moves and presumably the SP trade) that the phillies are serious.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:10:08 PM
santana was signed to show everyone that they are serious about winning.
lol...they have won me over
32 year old trash for the WINNING!!
its not about you its about other players in baseball
manny machado looking up and down the roster seeing hoskins, williams, alfaro PASS. santana is a real player.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
its not about you its about other players in baseball
manny machado looking up and down the roster seeing hoskins, williams, alfaro PASS. santana is a real player.
haha
not even kidding...even for you that made me laugh
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
its not about you its about other players in baseball
manny machado looking up and down the roster seeing hoskins, williams, alfaro PASS. santana is a real player.
Please tell me you're either trolling or just really drunk
im not in love with santana but he is not a bad player.
his obp is the same against lefties and righties. he has much more power vs. LHP but hits for a better average against RHP. whatever that means.
i dont know what this means but he hasnt hit well at camden and yankee, 2 stadiums with similar dimensions to the bank. hes also played 150 games the last few years so im sure he will disintegrate now.
if only all the other teams in mlb knew the secret to getting manny machado was signing carlos santana
Get Chris Archer plz
Quote from: AO1 on December 15, 2017, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
its not about you its about other players in baseball
manny machado looking up and down the roster seeing hoskins, williams, alfaro PASS. santana is a real player.
Please tell me you're either trolling or just really drunk
nobody knows who the farg rhys hoskins is. he had 1 good month. nobody, let alone one of the 5 best players in baseball, is signing up to play with him. the rest of the phillies young guys are even more unproven and worthless.
santana helps give them some credibility. again hes a 3 win player, hes not going to make a difference in much of anything, but the move pushes them away from a tank look and toward a real one. perception matters.
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: AO1 on December 15, 2017, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 15, 2017, 09:12:03 PM
its not about you its about other players in baseball
manny machado looking up and down the roster seeing hoskins, williams, alfaro PASS. santana is a real player.
Please tell me you're either trolling or just really drunk
santana helps give them some credibility.
i vote for drunk
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 15, 2017, 09:20:22 PM
Get Chris Archer plz
ive had my eye on him for 4 years. didnt think it would work once he signed his extension and the phils rebuilt path was set, but its in the cards now. id give up seranthony and/or kilome easy. along with williams or altherr.
archer to me is a guy who will elevate his game in a big spot, big market, big crowd.
Agreed
He's one of my favorite pitchers to watch
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Finally have some credibility
And a .240 batting average!
nobody in baseball cares about batting average. santana had an 818 ops and 363 obp last year
the ops would be top 10 among NL 1B and the obp would be 6th. hes not an amazing player by any stretch but he controls the strike zone very well and this is a key skill.
There he is
BA doesn't matter!
GTFOOOOOO
im not having this dumb debate again but you are basically someone yelling at doug pederson to run the wishbone.
im telling you. think of BA whatever youd like, youre wrong and i cant change your ways. but nobody in the game cares. youre screaming about nothing.
They're 3-4 years from contention and just spent $20 million a year on a 31 year old 1st baseman. They have 3 young outfielders currently in the majors, a few decent OF prospects in the minors, and a power hitting 1st baseman. They're not going to make the playoffs next season. Signing makes absolutely zero sense.
Strike zone controller
they are not 3/4 years from contending. they are planning contending in 2019 because the FA class is going dictating that they must.
they currently have 3 young outfielders, but there may be a trade. longoria just left the rays. id assume they are very open to archer. yelich wants out of miami. theres nothing they can really do to put them on the nats level this season, but they are aggressively trying to put themselves in position to be attractive for machado, harper, etc. next offseason.
thats what its all about.
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2017, 02:14:30 PM
they are not 3/4 years from contending. they are planning contending in 2019 because the FA class is going dictating that they must.
lol
ok
3-4 years, trust me dude. Feel free to bump this post when 2019 rolls around and they're playing .500 ball
4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018
then again if i felt like looking i could pretty easily find lil guy saying they would contend in 2017...maybe even 2016...hes always way under on the contending year o/u
if they dont sign machado or harper, certainly. they likely wont. but they are putting themselves in position to do so.
you get one of them, make that SP trade (archer!) and your win expectancy is high 80s/low 90s. this is right in the area of a playoff team. so no, they will not become a juggernaut overnight, if thats what you're aiming for.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2017, 02:22:01 PM
4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018
then again if i felt like looking i could pretty easily find lil guy saying they would contend in 2017...maybe even 2016...hes always way under on the contending year o/u
nobody thinks they are going to contend in 18. i had 17 6 years provided they traded utley, rollins, lee, halladay, etc. they did none of those things. they didnt cut bait until 2015, really.
there is zero chance they are getting harper and 10% tops they are getting machado
realistically no free agent that big and young is coming to philly in 2018 or maybe ever
if they are contending in 2018 its because their young players stayed healthy and developed beyond our wildest expectations
may the OPS be with you.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2017, 02:27:48 PM
realistically no free agent that big and young is coming to philly in 2018 or maybe ever
victim complex
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2017, 02:22:01 PM
4 years is a bit pessimistic but an absolute shtein ton would have to go right with their young players for them to contend in 2018
Their minor league talent is overrated. 4 years is spot on. Unless they go on a mega spending spree in 2 years they aren't competing any time soon.
if their system is overrated and you arent counting on the young guys to propel them to contention then four years is actually optimistic because it would mean they would have had to clean their system out and start over...that might be 8-10 years away
if you think they dont become contenders until they start signing a bunch of people then 2018 isnt out of the question
its much easier to half pay attention, throw out generic terms like "minor league talent" and then troll women's rights groups on reddit
somebody's getting frustrated.
I'm real pessimistic about Klentak and the Phils rebuilding overall (plus I think the idea of getting Manny or some other mega star is a fever dream), but I don't get being upset about the Santana deal... what exactly is it preventing them from doing?
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2017, 02:56:43 PM
its much easier to half pay attention, throw out generic terms like "minor league talent" and then troll women's rights groups on reddit
Ok...let's have an in depth conversation. Why will they contend in 2019? Please tell me the talent they have that will develop, please tell me realistic free agents they'll sign.
It's real easy to throw out generic years they'll compete
they are going to have as much as money as anyone to spend next offseason. the odds are stacked against them, of course, to get machado or harper. but they are setting up the team to be competitive in that bidding.
they have the depth in their farm system to trade for a pretty good starting pitcher. archer, cole, stroman. they have the money to throw at pomeranz, harvey, corbin, keuchel, ryu, morton, etc to fill out the rotation. cole hamels might even be available!
they have the money to get a strong back end RP. britton, ramos miller, robertson, wilson, allen. lotta names.
even if they dont get machado, they cant still get the other parts and at least get closer. undoubtedly, that offseason will have some major ripple effects and some teams may begin tanking after the dust settles.
That's a lot of ifs and theys
The Phillies have never rebuilt through free agency. But I'll play along, do you see them outbidding the likes of the Yankees, Sox, Tigers, Dodgers etc for free agents? I hate to burst your bubble, but Santana isn't enticing players to come here.
Trading prospects for starters. That's a lot of assuming.
If you told me...they'll compete because Crawford and Kingery are going to turn into stars in the next two seasons. Ok, they have a few potential prospects who could develop in 2 years. Their top tier talent is mostly in A ball and won't be ready for 3-4 seasons. There's no young core of talent that's just sitting there waiting for their turn. What's up now is a bunch of maybes. You don't compete with what's currently on the roster or in their minor leagues. So it's your hope that Klentak and the Phillies will be major players in free agency and add other pieces by trading their prospects for major league talent in the next 2 years. 99% sure we had this exact same conversation a few seasons ago. I'd look it up, but I'm too lazy. You're a bigger Phillies homer than Jay is an Eagles homer.
I'll be back in 2019 to say I told you so.
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
Their top tier talent is mostly in A ball and won't be ready for 3-4 seasons.
this is just not true and you are selling them short by only looking at lower level prospects....they have a ton of talent that has already hit the majors is on the 40 man roster and/or are scratching the surface of the bigs and they are mostly all under 25....id argue that a maikel franco is as important as a franklyn kilome right now....hes still young enough to develop but hes also has fulfilled the promise of actually making the bigs...its awesome to think of the prospects of a sanchez or ortiz but its just as important or maybe more important to focus on players like this developing into full time major leaguers...and these guys arent 3-4 years away
crawford kingery alfaro williams nola vasquez pivetta elfin quinn altherr franco hoskins eickhoff thompson
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
I'll be back in 2019 to say I told you so.
this is sort of moving the goal posts...i agree with you that they probably arent competing in 2019...i mean thats 15 months away...but you also said up to four years
i think the most realistic year would be 2020...that gives them two offseasons to sign people trade for people and the young players to develop into their own
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
The Phillies have never rebuilt through free agency. But I'll play along, do you see them outbidding the likes of the Yankees, Sox, Tigers, Dodgers etc for free agents? I hate to burst your bubble, but Santana isn't enticing players to come here.
they have the money to be in on almost every player in any year....i just dont see them ever getting generational superstars in their mid 20's like harper or machado those guys go to the elite franchises (and not the tigers)....anything below that tier tho they will always be in the mix
thats the thing is they could also sign 2 players (lets say blackmon and donaldson) for what it cost to get machado/harper. havas is going to have his inferiority complex about "elite" franchises but the fact of the matter is the phillies can spend with anybody considering how barren their payroll is and how much money the big boys have committed.
what they cant do, right now, is get on the level of the yanks, sox, cubs, dodgers in terms of competing for a title. but thats why they threw money at the bullpen and santana. thats why they are likely going to make a trade or 2 for starting pitching. they are putting themselves in a position to compete for free agents next offseason.
will it work? probably not. but the franchise-changing FA class is happening next year, so its piss or get off the pot. you have to ramp up the rebuild to be a factor in this.
they are never signing a 25 year old who is the best player in the majors
they can get 30 year old great players or 25 year old up and comers but they arent competing to get 25 year old potential hall of famers
they can trade for them of course but they arent signing them
i mean probably not, i dont have any expectation that they will sign MM. but im not going to write it off as an impossibility so i can wallow in my misery.
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
Their top tier talent is mostly in A ball and won't be ready for 3-4 seasons.
this is just not true and you are selling them short by only looking at lower level prospects....they have a ton of talent that has already hit the majors is on the 40 man roster and/or are scratching the surface of the bigs and they are mostly all under 25....id argue that a maikel franco is as important as a franklyn kilome right now....hes still young enough to develop but hes also has fulfilled the promise of actually making the bigs...its awesome to think of the prospects of a sanchez or ortiz but its just as important or maybe more important to focus on players like this developing into full time major leaguers...and these guys arent 3-4 years away
crawford kingery alfaro williams nola vasquez pivetta elfin quinn altherr franco hoskins eickhoff thompson
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
I'll be back in 2019 to say I told you so.
this is sort of moving the goal posts...i agree with you that they probably arent competing in 2019...i mean thats 15 months away...but you also said up to four years
i think the most realistic year would be 2020...that gives them two offseasons to sign people trade for people and the young players to develop into their own
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
The Phillies have never rebuilt through free agency. But I'll play along, do you see them outbidding the likes of the Yankees, Sox, Tigers, Dodgers etc for free agents? I hate to burst your bubble, but Santana isn't enticing players to come here.
they have the money to be in on almost every player in any year....i just dont see them ever getting generational superstars in their mid 20's like harper or machado those guys go to the elite franchises (and not the tigers)....anything below that tier tho they will always be in the mix
Mikael Franco is what he is. He's not going to improve.
Sixto and Ortiz are 19. Get a grip. We've been down this road before of overhyping young prospects. Remember this guy? http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=592145#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
I actually said 3-4 years, which is right in line with what you think
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 02:11:23 PM
They're 3-4 years from contention
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 02:18:35 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 20, 2017, 02:14:30 PM
they are not 3/4 years from contending. they are planning contending in 2019 because the FA class is going dictating that they must.
lol
ok
3-4 years, trust me dude.
You're right, money amount is irrelevant. So let's look at the rebuild realistically. They need 3-4 prospects to turn into All Stars and need to add starting pitching.
You actually agreed with most of my post for the most part.
Quote from: AO1 on December 21, 2017, 10:15:53 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 21, 2017, 08:03:41 AM
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
Their top tier talent is mostly in A ball and won't be ready for 3-4 seasons.
this is just not true and you are selling them short by only looking at lower level prospects....they have a ton of talent that has already hit the majors is on the 40 man roster and/or are scratching the surface of the bigs and they are mostly all under 25....id argue that a maikel franco is as important as a franklyn kilome right now....hes still young enough to develop but hes also has fulfilled the promise of actually making the bigs...its awesome to think of the prospects of a sanchez or ortiz but its just as important or maybe more important to focus on players like this developing into full time major leaguers...and these guys arent 3-4 years away
crawford kingery alfaro williams nola vasquez pivetta elfin quinn altherr franco hoskins eickhoff thompson
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
I'll be back in 2019 to say I told you so.
this is sort of moving the goal posts...i agree with you that they probably arent competing in 2019...i mean thats 15 months away...but you also said up to four years
i think the most realistic year would be 2020...that gives them two offseasons to sign people trade for people and the young players to develop into their own
Quote from: AO1 on December 20, 2017, 06:03:51 PM
The Phillies have never rebuilt through free agency. But I'll play along, do you see them outbidding the likes of the Yankees, Sox, Tigers, Dodgers etc for free agents? I hate to burst your bubble, but Santana isn't enticing players to come here.
they have the money to be in on almost every player in any year....i just dont see them ever getting generational superstars in their mid 20's like harper or machado those guys go to the elite franchises (and not the tigers)....anything below that tier tho they will always be in the mix
Mikael Franco is what he is. He's not going to improve.
Sixto and Ortiz are 19. Get a grip. We've been down this road before of overhyping young prospects. Remember this guy? http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=592145#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
what on earth are you talking about....you are completely contradicting yourself....you just said 3-4 years because all their good talent in in the low levels...now you are saying get a grip on their low level talent (even tho i said nothing about how good either sanchez or ortiz would end up being)...so which is it....are those top prospects at the lower levels going to make them contend in four years or are they overhyped?
and im not here to cherry pick each of the names i listed and argue what they will or wont be in two years...but if you dont think a 25 year old has a chance to get better then you have never followed baseball...you are practically a baby at 25 in this sport...my point is that they have a ton of guys at or near the major league level that can go a long way towards letting them contend in two years if it goes right...this was to your point that they wont contend for 4 years because all their talent is in single A and again then you say get a grip about the talent at single A its all overrated
and im not positive when or if they will contend but 2019 is the most logical choice...if they arent contending for another 4 years then they arent contending for another 8 probably because that means a lot of shtein has gone catastrophically wrong
they will contend in 3 years when sixto comes up except he probably sucks, but thats just a random number i threw out so whatever
their best hitting prospects have already graduated to the majors. theyre here. if all of these guys wind up sucking, its going to take a while. after kingery their best bet is proably haisley who they just drafted.
pitching wise they have some strong arms in A ball. kilome is AA. young arms are more unpredictable than anything. but theres a reason they are going to an 8 man bullpen and hunting for SP in a trade.
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Yeah once I heard the Pedro comparisons to Sixto I've written him off
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
Yeah once I heard the Pedro comparisons to Sixto I've written him off
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Phillies luck: Sixto's arm falls off next year.
stories like this are what leads me to believe they will not be outbid for machado: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/philadelphia-phillies-owner-john-middleton-carlos-santana-marlins-braves-mets-nationals-20171221.html
also this quote:
Quote"What Tampa's asking for Archer or what the Pirates are asking for Cole, I don't want to say it's extortion, but it's an arm and a leg," he said. "So Matt looks at us and says, 'I've got a deal over here, and it's a bad deal. I think if I tweaked it this way, it would be a good deal. I'd be willing to do this deal, not their deal.' And if he can get our deal, he'll do it. And if he can't, he'll come to us and say, 'I don't want to do it.'
this is why sixto is so valuable. its impossible to find elite starting pitching under 30. they may have one.
according to zolecki, neshak is wearing #93 next year and he will the first person in baseball history to do this
this seems insane to me
neshek voracek voracek neshek
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
according to zolecki, neshak is wearing #93 next year and he will the first person in baseball history to do this
this seems insane to me
I'm sure someone in the history of baseball has worn the #93. It would be impossible to verify but I'm sure some little leaguer/Junior High/High school kid/College kid/Minor leaguer wore that number. People like to use their birth year as their number.
If you're talking strictly MLB, then you should be more specific.
even for you that was bad
I thought it was an ode to the '93 team.
Attention to detail
Quote from: AntiRome on December 22, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
I thought it was an ode to the '93 team.
hes a card collecting autograph hound baseball nerd, so im guessing hes beside himself being the only to ever wear 93
also never worn: 80, 86, 89, 90, 92
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2017, 02:37:04 PM
Quote from: AntiRome on December 22, 2017, 10:25:36 AM
I thought it was an ode to the '93 team.
hes a card collecting autograph hound baseball nerd, so im guessing hes beside himself being the only to ever wear 93
also never worn: 80, 86, 89, 90, 92
Chris Carter, Arkansas Fred, Calvin Williams, Corey Simon, Reggie
I'm bored on OT
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
according to zolecki, neshak is wearing #93 next year and he will the first person in baseball history to do this
this seems insane to me
I hate anything over 50s in baseball
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 22, 2017, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
according to zolecki, neshak is wearing #93 next year and he will the first person in baseball history to do this
this seems insane to me
I hate anything over 50s in baseball
this settles it
just for you guys i ordered this tonight
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Good. I like the Godzilla Roll too.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 22, 2017, 08:13:11 PM
Quote from: MDS on December 22, 2017, 08:47:04 AM
according to zolecki, neshak is wearing #93 next year and he will the first person in baseball history to do this
this seems insane to me
I hate anything over 50s in baseball
I actually feel the same way. Any number over 50 looks weird to me in baseball. Except 99. It just works. But yeah, if some dude is rocking 72 on his jersey, I get physically uncomfortable.
I also feel the same way about college kickers wearing double digits. Most of them are still so scrawney that the digits are practically wrapping around them.
lol agreed on the college kickers too
Ron Artest kinda started the "wear some random number" thing.
would anyone like to guess what the most worn number in mlb history is?
42?
got this for my sister for xmas
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Why? Is she stuck in 2012?
Hit.
not sure whats behind the kevin thing but
kevin frandsen
kevin stocker
kevin jordan
all will be used in the booth to make up for larry andersons reduced schedule
Is Andersen doing all the home games, or is it just jumbled up between the four?
EDIT: Think I found it out:
Quote from: Burlington TimesThe Phillies announced Monday that they've hired former players Kevin Frandsen, Kevin Jordan and Kevin Stocker to their radio broadcast team. The trio will rotate working road games alongside Franzke for the 2018 season.
As previously announced, Andersen will only work home games in 2018 as part of a reduced schedule.
thats their written plan but id be surprised if he did all the home games even...he missed some last year especially in the second half of the season
actually wouldnt surprise me if he just up and retired at some point during the season
who has the most career hits/homers between the kevins? make your guess and find out.
mine: hits - stocker. homers - frandsen.
answers:
[spoiler]frand 322, 15
jord 363, 23
stock 703, 23[/spoiler]
Autopsy: Roy Halladay died from blunt force trauma, had morphine in system during plane crash (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/01/19/autopsy-roy-halladay-died-blunt-force-trauma-had-morphine-system-during-plane-crash/1049801001/)
QuoteThe body of two-time Cy Young winner Roy Halladay showed evidence of morphine, an amphetamine and the sleeping medication Ambien when it was examined after his fatal plane crash off the coast of Florida in November, according to the autopsy report obtained by USA TODAY Sports on Friday.
The report by the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner's Office also showed that Halladay's blood alcohol content was .01. The antidepressant fluoxetine (Prozac) was also detected.
Not sure what all this means, but that seems like a bad mix of medication.
He was mixing uppers and downers and flying that death trap a few feet off the water every day.
Doc basically committed suicide.
Thome going to Cooperstown. Dragging behind him are Larrrrrrrrry, Hoffman and Vlad Guerrero.
Francisco Rodriguez signed
Washed up
minor league deal
ohmagod
bowden
Quote12. Scott Kingery, 2B, Philadelphia Phillies, Age: 23, HT: 5-10, WT: 180, B: R, T: R
Scouting Grades: ARM: 50, FLD: 60, HIT: 55, PWR: 55, RUN: 65
He reminds me a lot of a young Jose Altuve. His swing is short, compact and quick to the ball with surprising power because of his tremendous balance and backspin he gets when he puts the ball in the air. He has the potential of joining the 30 home run, 30 stolen base club, in time. He is presently blocked by another quality second baseman, Cesar Hernandez, at the major league level. However, Kingery's game can be so explosive that it won't surprise me if he wins a job in spring training or forces the Phillies to trade another infielder to make room for him by June. In fact, I'll go as far to say I'd rather have him over any of the Phillies infielders long-term, that's how much I love this player.
29. Sixto Sanchez, RHP, Philadelphia Phillies, Age: 19, HT: 6-0, WT: 185, B: R, T: R
Scouting Grades: FB: 75, CB: 55, CH: 55, CTL: 60, CMND: 55
Talk about arm speed out front and an electric arm—that's Sanchez. That special arm results in a 98 mph fastball that has the life and command to match it. He also flashes an above-average curveball and changeup. For his six-foot frame, he gets an above-average downward plane on his pitches. There is no limit to his potential and he's one of those teenagers who could pitch himself to the major leagues years before the Phillies are expecting him.
32. J. P. Crawford, SS, Philadelphia Phillies, Age: 23, HT: 6-2, WT: 185, B: L, T: R
Scouting Grades: ARM: 60, FLD: 60, HIT: 50, PWR: 45, RUN: 50
Crawford is a special defensive player with above-average range, hands and throwing arm. He's a line-drive hitter who uses the whole field and it looks like his power is starting to come. Crawford gives professional at-bats and knows how to work a count and draw walks. He's an average runner at best, but his instincts more than make up for it. How much he hits will determine if he'll be able to develop into an All-Star-caliber player.
powder blues are gonna be back for some thursdays this season....im guessing all the business man specials
Alarm clocks out, massages in.
Phillies Phever... catch it!
These funholes are literally dead last in payroll in 2018 even behind Oakland. I say we just ignore them altogether. No threads or posts about them at all.
please explain to me who they shouldve signed
Quote from: MDS on February 18, 2018, 08:58:24 PM
please explain to me who they shouldve signed
They could have traded for Stanton and had their center piece. Spare me the contract length bullshtein they're a big market team with no payroll. He's 28 and in his prime. Vorp salary war whatever. They're willing to give Santana $20 million per year for 3 years at the age of 31 but are afraid of Stanton's deal which is only $5 million more per year.
Can't wait to see Machado sign elsewhere
1) stanton had a no trade clause. he wanted to go to the yankees or out west. highly unlikely he wouldve accepted a trade to another rebuilding situation regardless of the offer for which he could care less.
2) its not about the money now its about the money in 8 years. you have all the money in the world now to spend (hence the neshak, hunter and santana deals). where stanton hurts you is years down the line when you project to have many good players that will be quite expensive. last thing you want in that mix is a 35 year old slugger making 35 million.
the yankees will have this problem. judge and sanchez and severino and betances are cheap now but in 5 years they wont be. stanton can DH, which helps. and the yankees can generate more revenue than anyone so theres that.
the yankees really want machado. even if the phils come over the top it might not be enough. theres always bryce.
o/u wins is 74.5 last I looked
Whatcha got?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 18, 2018, 10:16:12 PM
o/u wins is 74.5 last I looked
Whatcha got?
80
I think they're mildly surprising.
I'm sure when the Phillies lose 100 games this year free agents will be tripping over themselves to sign with them. If they had spent money now they might have had a shot to land elite talent. As it is they're a farging limp dick, inept, borderline criminal enterprise who is stealing money from fans, advertisers, and corporate, television and radio partners.
who should they have signed?
I see desperation is setting in and Bora$ is using the Phils as his Arrieta cum sock.
Nice.
The truly hilarious thing would be if they offer him $20-$25M a year for three years plus an option after all their idiotic penny pinching antics.
Imagine if they had Arrieta at the top of their rotation and Stanton in the middle of their lineup. World farging champs
Quote from: Rome on February 20, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
The truly hilarious thing would be if they offer him $20-$25M a year for three years plus an option after all their idiotic penny pinching antics.
the hilarious thing is your continued insistence that they are pinching pennies...for god sakes they shouldnt have spent any money last year and still had a payroll over 110 million.....and dont get me started on what they spent when they were good...i swear its like you dont even follow them either that or you are being purposely ignorant
They were the most profitable team in the league last season and now their payroll has been cut in half. If that's not penny pinching I don't know what is.
profit has nothing to do with spending.....you spend when its prudent to spend not because of how much money you make....and you certainly dont spend just to spend....the free agent class this year sucked....if this was next summer and they didnt take a run at people then you might have an argument....but this year is about the worst possible year to claim they are cheap....cause if thats the case the whole league is cheap since the the C word has been thrown around all offseason...calling them cheap is so 2001
they have already proven for about a 10 year period that they will spend whatever it takes....and middleton has said they will continue to do so....but right now they are in a rebuild and it would be asinine to throw around dumb money just because some fans what them too or because they just got a big tv deal
That's cool, at least 'we' got Carlos Santana. One step closer.
bucks county republicrat and florida swamp trash are just trolling
moving on
#MTPGA
Whiny clueless millennial douche disagrees with someone, lashes out, hopefully kills himself.
its been clear since day one that klentak was putting an emphasis on advanced stats but holy moly...this is the answer to the first question in an interview from new hitting coach doug mallee
Q: How would you describe your hitting philosophy?
Mallee: Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) is something we talk about a lot.
Cue the little guy to tell us everything is gonna be alright...
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 21, 2018, 10:09:46 AM
its been clear since day one that klentak was putting an emphasis on advanced stats but holy moly...this is the answer to the first question in an interview from new hitting coach doug mallee
Q: How would you describe your hitting philosophy?
Mallee: Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+) is something we talk about a lot.
kill me now
Quote from: Rome on February 21, 2018, 10:25:34 AM
Cue the little guy to tell us everything is gonna be alright...
youve yet to explain to me who they shouldve signed, instead youre just really angry and vindictive for some reason even though the eagles, like, just won the super bowl. the flyers are good. the sixers are good. chill.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
kill me now
one of the fun parts of the season is you playing the victim over advanced metrics even though 1) you dont know what they are 2) you dont care to learn 3) they have proven, time and again, to be successful 4) ultimately the only thing that matters to you is the phillies winning games...how they go about it, front office mentalities and minor league development are not in your areas of interest
Thanks for the breakdown, Theo.
wonder where that billy beane cat who used to post here went
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on February 21, 2018, 12:31:32 PM
Thanks for the breakdown, Theo.
usually when you insult someone you dont want to call them by the name of a guy who built 2 dynasty's but you do you
True/False you'll be stroking one out to the Gabe Kapler baseball way?
i dont even know what that is
i like everything ive seen from him so far...how could you not...but logic tells you its going to wear thin at some point
i've been able to stream sixers and flyers through csnphilly / nbcsports app on my TV for years for free, which is dope. saw something where I can stream the phillies tomorrow too....is this something new? anyone know if all phillies games will be on nbc philly? in years past they were not.
yea all games were on last year
huh was thinking i would watch more phils game but if they were on all last year too i guess not.
Quote from: phattymatty on February 23, 2018, 04:06:11 PM
huh was thinking i would watch more phils game but if they were on all last year too i guess not.
lol
today kapler had a massive shift in the outfield where joseph (playing LF) was almost where the CF would be
against a RIGHT HANDED batter!!
guess what happened....ball ripped into left field for a double
here it is...again this is against a righty
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But his scatter dispersion charts are infallible!
i think they decided they were going to do it before the game against that guy because he was some scrub A ball kid...whatever its spring training
He intends to pull this shtein in games that count.
This is Chip Kelly Part Deux.
its not kaplar its the entire organization
and if the data is telling you player x is very unlikely to hit the ball to RF why not put your worst defender (hoskins)....in RF?
you wanna not have a left fielder for a 100% pull hitting left handed batter then fine...thats no different than an infield shift
but you dont ever ever ever not have a left fielder for a right handed batter or vice versa....a farging chimpanzee knows this
But the data, IGY.
THE fargING DATA!
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2018, 09:04:22 AM
you wanna not have a left fielder for a 100% pull hitting left handed batter then fine...thats no different than an infield shift
but you dont ever ever ever not have a left fielder for a right handed batter or vice versa....a farging chimpanzee knows this
right, sure. thanks for your astute observation.
i think they, again, did that for that batter specifically as a test run since it was the weakest batter in the lineup. it was an exhibition game.
Quote from: Rome on February 28, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
But the data, IGY.
THE fargING DATA!
the really scary part about the decision even more than doing it to begin with is that they did it with two runners on base....that is certifiably insane
daring a guy to go the opposite way makes sense...its takes real skill....timing and bat control to do that....to dare a guy to pull a ball even if his numbers say he tends to not do it is stupid because theres basically no adjustment for a batter to pull the ball
Quote from: MDS on February 28, 2018, 09:10:56 AM
i think they, again, did that for that batter specifically as a test run since it was the weakest batter in the lineup. it was an exhibition game.
nope
QuoteThe Phillies have used the Grapefruit League games to implement their aggressive outfield shifting for every batter, based on spray charts. But they will go beyond that, flipping players across the field when the numbers tell them it is wisest.
0-162?
I wonder what kind of shakes they're being force fed?
Quote from: ice grillin you on February 28, 2018, 09:14:56 AM
nope
no i mean the lf/rf flipping was done for that batter...not regular shifting. but regardless of anything using useless spring training games to experiment with even the dumbest of ideas is fine. its spring training.
ill tell you what. if kaplar shifts the entire outfield to LF for freddie freeman in game 1 you can go crazy
i have no problem with the position flipping...that makes complete sense
Having guys who can actually play the position is a better idea than flip-flopping them all game long.
not every player on every team is a great fielder
but if youd prefer they can take rhys hoskins bat out of the lineup and play roman quinn everyday
what ultimately is going to happen is once or twice the right handed batter is going to bloop something in just in front of hoskins in RF and romey (and j) will go ballistic that williams/atherr werent there instead...while ignoring the dozens and dozens of other times the shift/position change worked.
and on and on it will go, like a gun debate on twitter, where nobody will win and humanity will lose
The Phillies won the World Series with two very good outfielders and a guy who resembled a for sale sign in left. I realize not everyone can be great and no one is asking for that. Let's start with competent and progress from there. And flipping from right to left to wherever depending on spray charts is ridiculous. Shifts are fine but employing common sense while using them is nice too.
if in a higher leverage moment hoskins is in left and altherr/williams is in right and a right handed hitter is up i see no reason you wouldnt switch....in fact i cant believe it has taken this long for someone to think of this
god this is dumb....so if someone gets "sensitive" put a symbol in their locker that shows the entire locker room how "sensitive" they are?
http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/phillies-pitchers-look-stay-sensitive-bus
that thing will never leave vv's locker
Can you imagine a guy like Bob Gibson putting up with bullshtein like that?
LOL at it building cameraderie too. Jesus Christ what has happened to the male members of the species these days?
I'm fully aware of the Marlins situation, but I'm getting major last place vibes from this Phils team.
roman quinn gonna play ss today
1 sixto
2 the king
3 jp
4 medina
5 moniak (wtf)
6 hasley
7 alf
8 j
9 jojo
10 kilome
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=phi
also take a stroll down memory lane with this list
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domonic brown was last spotted playing mexican league winter ball...not in any spring training as far as i can tell
Hoskins is literally nowhere on that list.
Quote from: Rome on March 01, 2018, 03:12:34 PM
Hoskins is literally nowhere on that list.
doesnt qualify
He's the best prospect they've developed in the last decade. Where was he in the 2015-2017 lists?
2015 he wasnt on any radar at all
2016 he mashed at reading but had no major league position and was hitting at in a home run hitters paradise
he was on lists in 2016 and 17 just not top ten on all of them
AAAltherr
Jesse Biddlol
I may have misjudged Kapler.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/phillies-scott-kingery-gabe-kapler-prospect-diet-manager-20180303.html?mobi=true
BACON.
via busta buss
QuoteHeard this observation about Phillies' infield prospect Scott Kingery: "He's Dustin Pedroia, but with more talent."
looks like the phils have a decent shot at baggin arrieta....unless they are just trying to make the nationals pay more
they got him...3 years
havent seen money yet but it must be good. a lot of other teams, better teams, were in on 3 years
i think teams like the nats were probably 3/45 so im thinking phils are 3/52ish?
nola obviously stays opening day starter....arrieta gotta push eick to the 3 tho right?
i ask this cause i will be in atlanta for the 2nd game of the year
its 3/75. man did they have $ to burn.
im also interested to see how they space it...you want as much as possible this year because next year theyre adding at least 1 big bat (manny!!)
next step is keep an eye on the royals and rays. if the phils are in the hunt and those teams stink, get ready for danny duffy/chris archer.
But, but, but...it's too early in the process! They're just wasting their money! ! Loud screeching noises! ! !
holy shtein nightengale is reporting its 3/75
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
But, but, but...it's too early in the process! They're just wasting their money! ! Loud screeching noises! ! !
who is saying this? anyone who knows anything knows it was about the years not the money
Love it
You're not allowed to love it. You're allowed to be upset about it. You're allowed to mock it. But that's it. :CF
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
You're not allowed to love it. You're allowed to be upset about it. You're allowed to mock it. But that's it. :CF
how many beers deep are you?...shouldnt you be chillin now that football season is over
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 11, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
You're not allowed to love it. You're allowed to be upset about it. You're allowed to mock it. But that's it. :CF
how many beers deep are you?...shouldnt you be chillin now that football season is over
2 ipa's is all this takes
Quote from: Rome on February 20, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
I see desperation is setting in and Bora$ is using the Phils as his Arrieta cum sock.
Nice.
The truly hilarious thing would be if they offer him $20-$25M a year for three years plus an option after all their idiotic penny pinching antics.
Boom. Just like I said. Truly hilarious.
And like SD said, they could have gotten Mike-Mike Stanton too. But at least now that they've pretended to be a big market spender, maybe Machado takes a meeting instead of immediately crossing them off his list.
QuoteArrieta salaries are 30M, 25M and 20M. Can opt out after two. Deal could go to 5 years and be worth 125M to 135M.
Quote from: Rome on March 11, 2018, 06:44:57 PM
And like SD said, they could have gotten Mike-Mike Stanton too. But at least now that they've pretended to be a big market spender, maybe Machado takes a meeting instead of immediately crossing them off his list.
no they couldnt of
i dont know why this annoys me so much but your complete lack of baseball knowledge boils my blood but i still love you
nm
Indiana doesn't have a baseball team
Tommy Joseph to the Rangers. Didn't clear waivers. Klentak is no Howie.
two world series champions jayson werth and chooch still dont have teams less than a week out from opening day
Fat Joe, too.
saw him too but eh....hes not even a phillie to me
Bye K-Rod (http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/francisco-rodriguez-released-phillies)
... and Rupp (http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/phillies-cut-veteran-cameron-rupp-roster-continues-take-shape).
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2018, 01:57:01 PM
two world series champions jayson werth and chooch still dont have teams less than a week out from opening day
Both were cooked. At least Chooch will be venerated as an all-time Phillies legend. Werth is just a guy who got paid to leave. FTB. 🖕🏻
kingery mightve made it
BUT THE SERVICE CLOCK!!
no more service clock...he gettin served
Largest long term contract ever for a kid who hasn't hit the bigs.
I guess the service clock is now fake news too. Thanks, Obummer!
Seriously though that's some awesome outside the box thinking from these fools. Ballsy as farg too.
A+
you could fill a swimming pool with the cum of the baseball is the only sport i like white south jerz phillie fanbase today
yea um south jersey people love the flyers more than anything
Wtf
Quote from: MDS on March 25, 2018, 05:10:24 PM
yea um south jersey people love the flyers more than anything
no one likes hockey....south jerz phillie fanbase is way bigger than flyers
romey is my conduit to that mindset and he still loves the birds, so explain that
all i know is its impressive even when they stink but from 2008 to 2012 the phillies (weekend) tailgate scene rivaled that of most football teams and it was largely made up of people from the dirty jerz...their force is crazy strong
if you take out cameron rupp the other 49 players the phillies drafted in the 2010 class have a total of 248 IP and zero AB in the majors
kingery knocked roman quinn off the team
also their rotation outside of nola and arrieta is horrible
Quote from: MDS on March 25, 2018, 05:10:24 PM
yea um south jersey people love the flyers more than anything
Wrong. Eagles first, then Phils and then Flyers. I watch every Birds game, most Phils games (or at least highlights of them) and then maybe half the Flyers games.
QuoteJoe Jordan, the Phillies' farm director, stood in the back. "My favorite Scott Kingery story," Jordan said, "is not about baseball."
Kingery, a second-round pick, began his professional career at Low-A Lakewood. He hit .250/.314/.337. He came to Florida for the instructional league and the Phillies began to implement some ideas. There's something to this guy, Jordan decided then. But the diminutive Kingery was tired.
He went to High-A Clearwater to start 2016. He was a Florida State League all-star. He moved to Double-A Reading and he was gassed by August. So the Phillies challenged him with an assignment to the prestigious Arizona Fall League.
"He had rested for a couple of weeks," Jordan said. "He had a good start. Then, he was toast. We had seen a pattern."
Jordan met Kingery there before a fall-league game. They sat on a tarp and talked.
"Why did we send you here?" Jordan asked Kingery.
The competition, Kingery said. It was a good test.
"OK," Jordan said. "That's part of it. But why did we send you here?"
Now Kingery was confused. He did not have an answer.
"Because," Jordan said, "I wanted you to feel exactly how you feel right now. Exhausted. I want you to feel how you're going to feel when you are playing all the way through September. And, when we're getting ready to win a world championship, what you're going to feel like in October. That's why you're here."
This is a conversation Jordan has held with so many prospects. It was no illuminating moment. Until Jordan saw Kingery a few months later, in February 2017.
"He shows up buffed," Jordan said. "Strong. I mean, he physically changed his body. He didn't lose any arm strength. He didn't lose any foot speed. He did it the right way. Well, that's Scott Kingery. That's why you can trust him. He just went and did it. That's why you trust him. That's my favorite Scott Kingery story."