Colts and Eagles will flip a coin at the combine to decide the 14th and 15th picks
Prepare to be criticized for starting this thread in 3...2...1...
Quote from: Rome on January 01, 2017, 08:07:07 PM
Prepare to be criticized for starting this thread in 3...2...1...
why?
We need all the info in one place!
corner or wide out
no other way around it
Pretty sure the Eagles will lose the coin flip.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
corner or wide out
no other way around it
You fool, how can this team compete without an elite RB? Frankly, if they don't trade up to get one then they're just wasting another season.
Quote from: hbionic on January 01, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
Pretty sure the Eagles will lose the coin flip.
They'll win the flip, but chose to let the Colts go first.
I'm very anti RB in the first round, but Dalvin Cook has to be in play, and there is a great chance he's available. He's so explosive and is an amazing receiver out of the backfield. Hell, day one, he'd be a better pure WR than anyone currently on the roster.
I think Cook is very very special.
I'm also anti first round RB and I agree on Cook
Don't force the WR or CB pick if the board doesn't develop.
Once the underclassman declarations are final I'll have a good idea of my want list
Cook is probably going top-10 after that Orange Bowl
1st = #14/#15 coin flip
2nd = #11
3rd = #10
4th = #12, whatever comp pick Cleveland gets (somewhere around #31 or #32)
5th = #11
6th = #10
7th = #12
Thank you Minnesota.
We need to send Rick Spielman a fruit basket
so many good rb's will be there on day two theres no reason to go there in the first round....unfortunately this is a terrible wr draft so going there in round one is risky
id take the top rated non QB non TE offensive player on my board in round 1
their pick to cleveland only ended up being 2/3 spots better than the bradford pick....not bad wheelin and dealin
Cook may go top 10, but I still think philosophically a lot of teams are against taking RBs early, we will see.
I wouldn't rule out trading up. While some may think the Eagles can't afford to give up more picks after trading up last year, if say for example, there is a major drop off in tiers of players on your board from 12 to 14 or 10 to 14, then I wouldn't bet against it. No one trades more than Howie, and when GMs fall in love with players, it's hard to get them off of it.
I think receiver is more than likely handled through free agency. If I had to guess, I think they probably go CB in round 1. Not sexy, but needed.
What do their picks in 2018 look like? Bc I could see you being right and trading up
Problem is Howie has to stock this roster up. He can't do that in FA since they're not flush with cap room
theres no one to trade up for...i mean myles garrett but hes not attainable....this draft lacks elite talent but is pretty deep...meaning its not a trade up draft....its a be patient and get the best players you can
Cook definitely goes top 10. Elliott made RB's cool again.
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2017, 10:05:05 PM
theres no one to trade up for...i mean myles garrett but hes not attainable....this draft lacks elite talent but is pretty deep...meaning its not a trade up draft....its a be patient and get the best players you can
If they whiff on receiver in free agency, I can see a small trade up for Mike Williams. Howie usually gets the players he targets though, I'll say that about him, so I don't expect them to whiff.
Or maybe they look at Dallas as some blueprint and trade up for Cook, since Dallas has been great with Zeke. You never know. I remember in 2014 they got caught in no man's land and settled on Marcus Smith because their next tier of players were all gone when the Eagles picked. Not saying that will happen here, and in the top 15 it is unlikely, but it depends on their board.
if they trade up for mike williams blow up the franchise....hes so average as a prospect...not saying he cant be a productive nfl player but good god if you give up picks for him you should be shot...especially when they dont have a second next year....they needds tons of players....they should be gathering picks not giving them up
with the season michael thomas had in NO and the complete shake up they could have there, brandin cooks could become available. they have an extra 4th rounder this year, so maybe you swing a 3rd for him?
also brandon marshall looks done in NY. hes completely insane but they need affordable talent. beggers cant be choosers. also he might be finished.
I'd be fine with Marshall on a 1 or 2 yr deal if all else fails. Basically someone reliable who can help bring Wentz along until they can (hopefully) find a legit young stud.
I was a huge Marshall fan over the years and he may be good on a one year deal
If they bring Pimp back they won't go for Cooks obviously. Or would they?
I'm a big time Fournette fan and if Cook is the first back off the board and no top corner of wideout is there I'm running to the podium to call Fournettes name.
cooks and jackson are the same player so you dont need both
my guess is they come into camp with 2 fairly big time acquisitions, agholor, jmat, dgb and someone they drafted in the mid rounds. might keep 5...maybe one gets injured...maybe they give up on dgb, etc.
They need to get a long-term solution. For Wentz more than anything. A guy he can grow with for years and develop chemistry with. Marshall is not that. Carr to Cooper, Luck to Hilton, Winston to Evans. Wentz to ??. Need that guy for Wentz.
I'd prefer they not sign a guy, and then have to address the WR position again in 2018. Just fix it for the sake of your franchise QB you gave up a billion picks for.
If they bring back Pimp that should not keep them from looking for more WR help. He's 30, is basically a 1 trick pony, and weights less than my meatcicle. He's a nice piece to the puzzle but he's not *the* piece. He can easily be quieted if there's no one else on the field to worry about.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 01, 2017, 10:36:37 PM
They need to get a long-term solution. For Wentz more than anything. A guy he can grow with for years and develop chemistry with. Marshall is not that. Carr to Cooper, Luck to Hilton, Winston to Evans. Wentz to ??. Need that guy for Wentz.
I'd prefer they not sign a guy, and then have to address the WR position again in 2018. Just fix it for the sake of your franchise QB you gave up a billion picks for.
ideally, sure. but you can find that in this draft. they could spend a ton on jeffery or maybe hopkins if he hits FA. but otherwise they need to add talent and hope they can grab a wr1 in the 18 or 19 draft. finding antonio brown in the 6th round doesnt happen to this pos franchise.
they dont have to add marshall, but rather somealong those lines. they need more talent.
Quote from: MDS on January 01, 2017, 10:35:29 PM
cooks and jackson are the same player so you dont need both
my guess is they come into camp with 2 fairly big time acquisitions, agholor, jmat, dgb and someone they drafted in the mid rounds. might keep 5...maybe one gets injured...maybe they give up on dgb, etc.
I like Cooks, but if he hasn't turned into what they want with Drew Brees, who is one of the 5 greatest QBs who ever lived in some people's eyes, how is he going to with Wentz and Doug Pederson? I'd rather just sign Jackson and not give up any picks. These receivers are so terrible though, they need more than Jackson. I'm sorry, but Jackson, Matthews, and Agholor is still not an NFL receiving corps. I'm not really a fan of Matthews either. He's so freaking slow.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 01, 2017, 10:36:37 PM
They need to get a long-term solution. For Wentz more than anything. A guy he can grow with for years and develop chemistry with. Marshall is not that. Carr to Cooper, Luck to Hilton, Winston to Evans. Wentz to ??. Need that guy for Wentz.
I'd prefer they not sign a guy, and then have to address the WR position again in 2018. Just fix it for the sake of your franchise QB you gave up a billion picks for.
i agree with everything here but this draft is brutal for wr's...especially at the top
Matthews needs to stay in the slot and be a better version of Jason Avant
Outside speed
Agreed that Jaccpot isn't the sole solution. Even if he comes back they need another guy.
Pipe dream is deandre hopkins
I don't know if it would be a good move or not, but a guy I could see Howie going after is Sammy Watkins. He's kinda been a bust and has dealt with injury issues, but if a new regime is going into Buffalo and willing to uproot the roster, he might be a "buy low" target Howie likes to go after. Like he did with DGB. I'm not giving up a ton for him, because of the issues stated.
They don't just need someone for Wentz to grow with, they need somebody to stretch the field. That doesn't have to be one guy.
Matthews will be a fine #2 guy, but they can't go into the season hoping that Agholor and DGB get their shtein together.
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 01, 2017, 10:43:58 PM
I don't know if it would be a good move or not, but a guy I could see Howie going after is Sammy Watkins. He's kinda been a bust and has dealt with injury issues, but if a new regime is going into Buffalo and willing to uproot the roster, he might be a "buy low" target Howie likes to go after. Like he did with DGB. I'm not giving up a ton for him, because of the issues stated.
watkins is a perfect guy to have alongside the star receiver. hes a big play or bust guy and he cant stay on the field. he would cost a 2 and maybe more. NO SIR.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 01, 2017, 10:48:35 PM
They don't just need someone for Wentz to grow with, they need somebody to stretch the field. That doesn't have to be one guy.
Matthews will be a fine #2 guy, but they can't go into the season hoping that Agholor and DGB get their shtein together.
I agree. No deep threat has killed this team since Jackson left. Even before Wentz got here, and it also hurt their running game some. I'd like for them to add both if possible.
The reason I don't like Matthews is he is strictly a slot guy, and has no versatility. He can't be used on screens, end arounds, doesn't go deep. He's not a bad player by any means, and I think he's actually quite solid, but I don't think he's a guy they need to keep or they're idiots for letting him go or anything like that.
matthews is a possession receiver who has a lot of drops.....not ideal
Lol
What the Eagles have planned at OL is interesting. This is apparently a weak OL draft. I can't say so myself, if I told you I watched college football and keyed in on offensive linemen I'd be lying. If Peters is back in 2017, it will probably be his last year in Philadelphia. Will they be ok going into the 2018 offseason having a dire need at OT? or is Vaitai their guy?
Their starting 5 on the line are probably set. I can't see them signing a guy who will come in right away and start over any of their positions, and I certainly don't think any draft pick would.
I just wonder what they have planned there.
vaitai is not an nfl player
i said this in the game thread today that four of the five OL positions are up or grabs over the near future...a drug free lane is the LT but the other four positions are wide open as we move forward the next few years....which is scary cause you gotta add almost an entire OL to a roster full of question marks
Some of the beats have suggested that Seumalo could take over at center
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 01, 2017, 11:24:44 PM
vaitai is not an nfl player
i said this in the game thread today that four of the five OL positions are up or grabs over the near future...a drug free lane is the LT but the other four positions are wide open as we move forward the next few years....which is scary cause you gotta add almost an entire OL to a roster full of question marks
Brandon Brooks is locked in. Anxiety aside, he was good this season. Lane too if he's clean. I agree with the rest.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2017, 11:30:55 PM
Some of the beats have suggested that Seumalo could take over at center
he should be given every opportunity....kelce sucks....and i dont discount him becoming a good player but hes still a question mark moving forward as is just about every OL on the roster right now
Yep I'd prefer Kelce to not be back but if you can't upgrade no reason to let him go for just the sake of doing it
The problem is there are not a lot of good centers in the NFL, or offensive lineman in general. It's the biggest personnel problem in the league. Like 5 teams have good offensive lines.
Kelce has issues, but if you were to rank all 32 NFL centers, he's probably 13-15. Not because he's great, but because the position and unit is embarrassing across the league.
kelce was a decent fit in chips scheme...but hes pretty much worthless under doug
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2017, 09:54:02 PMWhat do their picks in 2018 look like? Bc I could see you being right and trading up
No 2nd (CLE - Wentz)
extra 3rd or 4th from NE (Rowe)
extra 4th from MIN (Bradford)
Quote from: BigEd76 on January 01, 2017, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2017, 09:54:02 PMWhat do their picks in 2018 look like? Bc I could see you being right and trading up
No 2nd (CLE - Wentz)
extra 3rd or 4th from NE (Rowe)
extra 4th from MIN (Bradford)
So now who do they trade to pick up an extra third to make up for not having a second?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 01, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
Yep I'd prefer Kelce to not be back but if you can't upgrade no reason to let him go for just the sake of doing it
Yes, get Kelce out of here. He's been going downhill at a rapid pace. I'm all for Seumalo at center. Big V? He did improve but he's a major project.
Agree with IGY, draft the best non QB,TE available.
How many cornerstone players does the team have? Wentz, Ertz (for this team), Cox, Hicks, Lane. Anyone else? Graham was excellent this year but not sure I'd expect that 3 years down the line. Jenkins is good but not amazing. Anyone else is replaceable.
I'm still not counting on Lane, and Ertz is the Matthews of TEs.
You're sitting at 14/15, Fournette, Mike Williams, and the top CB are still on the board (this is all hypothetical)...who are you taking?
I'd go Mike Williams
as much as I like Fournette I go WR
if fournette is there and i cant imagine any scenario where he would be and you arent against taking a rb that high i dont know how you pass him up....hes the top player on a lot of boards and is in almost everyones top 3...shtein im anti rb in the first round and i think id take him there
Of all three, I'd probably go Williams. A great RB is a good thing, but it's not as glaring of a need. Provided they manage to improve the OL, I'd think a top tier WR would have the greatest immediate upside.
Quote from: SD on January 10, 2017, 11:09:04 AM
You're sitting at 14/15, Fournette, Mike Williams, and the top CB are still on the board (this is all hypothetical)...who are you taking?
corner
williams im sure is a nice player but id rather add a veteran wr or 2, take a wr in the 2/3 rds and go after hopkins next offseason. theyll have some more flexibility then and hes worth it, more so than alshon.
The defense can amble on for a little while without a corner if they have to, but Wentz needs a legitimate weapon. He really needs two, but anyone who can come down with the ball if they get their hands on it would help a whole lot.
Watching Green Bay's receivers catch ball after ball that wasn't always perfectly thrown made me ill. Watching Giants receivers dropping them made me giggle.
I would go Williams. give wentz what he needs.
Quote from: General_Failure on January 10, 2017, 01:48:14 PM
The defense can amble on for a little while without a corner if they have to, but Wentz needs a legitimate weapon. He really needs two, but anyone who can come down with the ball if they get their hands on it would help a whole lot.
if you want to get your young qb a first round wr that makes for a valid argument...but in this particular draft the wr's hold depth but not a lot of top end talent....and in all drafts its harder to find a good corner than a good wr
i also look at it from the perspective of if you believe wentz is going to become a franchise guy then you can maybe not worry about wr as much because he going to make up for a lot....where as the eagles had good safety play this year and still were last in the league giving up passes of 25+ yards...in other words moderately improve the wr's (say a second round pick and a FA) and it could vastly improve the offense...where as moderately improve a corner and they could easily still suck...stud corners and stud pass rushers imo you cant really pass up....thats not to say there will be what they or i consider a stud corner at their pick but if its btwn that and a wr i go corner...i wanna see more film on him but from what i saw in games this year i really like the kid from ohio state if he were there
The rules favor offensive players, especially in the passing game. So an average WR should enjoy more success than an equally average Corner. If the choice is between a legit corner or an average receiver, then give me the corner.
It's sort of similar to the Jah vs NN argument. Elite defenders in the paint are hard to find these days, but guys like Jah are a dime a dozen.
actually guys like jah dont exist in the nba anymore because they get exposed in todays game...thats why hes worthless
Quote from: Rome on January 10, 2017, 01:54:50 PM
Watching Green Bay's receivers catch ball after ball that wasn't always perfectly thrown made me ill. Watching Giants receivers dropping them made me giggle.
The most glaring difference was in the Detroit-Seattle game.
Seahawks receivers making more circus catches than I've seen in one game my entire life, while Eric Ebron drops another ball across the middle.
I saw more good catches in Clemson/Alabama than I did all year from the Eagles.
neither are probably happening but casserly latest mock has wash trading cousins and the birds trading their first for cooks
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000791009/article/casserly-mock-20-cousins-trade-combine-results-shake-up-draft?campaign=tw-cf-sf60720525-sf60720525&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral
100% against trading the #1 for Cooks.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 07, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
100% against trading the #1 for Cooks.
For which reason?
1. #1 pick should be used for something other than WR
2. Rookie WRs that will be available for the Birds are better than Cooks
3. Rookie WRs may or may not be better than Cooks but will be cheaper and signed for longer
he wants to be able to see the eagles draft in the 1st round, cause the draft is in philly.
How mad is he gonna be when they go DT in the first round?
if you are going to do it this is the year for this reason...i dont know if there are enough players to even deservedly fill the top ten of this draft....but from the looks of it thus far id say there 100 players who deserve to be in the top 50
Quote from: QB Eagles on March 07, 2017, 12:47:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 07, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
100% against trading the #1 for Cooks.
For which reason?
1. #1 pick should be used for something other than WR
2. Rookie WRs that will be available for the Birds are better than Cooks
3. Rookie WRs may or may not be better than Cooks but will be cheaper and signed for longer
I think it is too much to give up. They do need WR help obviously but the price is quite steep. I am not sure who I 100% want them to go after in the first. Fournette would be the guy but I fear he will not be there at 14.
If they could get a decent veteran for the 2nd, then trade down (or swap picks in the 1st) and take a shot at McCaffrey...that might be interesting. But just a flat out 1st for Cooks - who will require more money than a decent rookie - just doesn't make sense to me.
The first is only too much to give up if they are going to use it on something that helps the team more than Cooks. It has no inherent value.
I think it makes sense to not want the trade if you would prefer a cheaper, younger player the team can control for more years, although you have to accept the risk that the player turns out to be Nelson Agholor. It also makes sense if you think another position is a bigger need in the first.
I don't think the Eagles are likely to draft a WR better than Cooks, so I think reason #2 is difficult to defend.
Quote from: General_Failure on March 07, 2017, 12:55:49 PM
How mad is he gonna be when they go DT in the first round?
Not as mad as when they convert him to fullback next year.
Dan Klecko!
Although WR is still a possibility because the top 3 are all UFAs after the season, it's no longer as big of a need with #14 or whatever unless Williams drops to them. Seems like the plan is to go for at least two CBs and a RB in the first 3-4 rounds, then add more front seven depth and an OT on day 3
Sidney Jones tore his Achilles at the Washington Pro Day today
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Oh shtein. Poor guy.
Christian McCaffrey
Yay or nay?
He seems to be gaining hype lately. Not sure I'd want him in the 1st.
Nay
As a 4th round pick sure
Two years ago I could get the hype
Last season he fell off quite a bit
If I'm taking a back in the first it's Fournette or Cook
stop it
What should I stop, dad?
because they arent drafting a running back
They'll draft a running back but not in the first 3 rounds
Right, they're not picking a RB because the Eagles have a history of not doing stupid shtein in the first round
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
because they arent drafting a running back
Bet?
yes do it, bet. lots of money, on idiocy. bet your lives you idiots.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
because they arent drafting a running back
Bet?
i meant in the first round at 14....im sure theyll take one at some point sure
Quote from: Diomedes on March 23, 2017, 11:11:07 PM
yes do it, bet. lots of money, on idiocy. bet your lives you idiots.
Lol.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 23, 2017, 11:11:07 PM
yes do it, bet. lots of money, on idiocy. bet your lives you idiots.
Wanna bet that we will bet?
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2017, 11:19:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on March 23, 2017, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: MDS on March 23, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
because they arent drafting a running back
Bet?
i meant in the first round at 14....im sure theyll take one at some point sure
I think there's a 25% chance they do.
they dont draft an rb: you make crack juice at the tailgate next year
That's a fun bet
In
j you are the leader of the pack of fans i referenced the other day that only want a back in the first because dallas got zeke last year and they believe the eagles should play to beat dallas every season not win a superbowl
capt jay
I wanted Zeke but his last name is Elliott and what kind of name is that for a football player?
to take nothing away from zeke hes a good back but for like five years darren mcfadden couldnt run three yards without being tackled then got behind that line and busted off an 1100 yard season
dallas could have taken a back in the fourth round last year who would run for 1300 yards..would he have been quite as dynamic as zeke and air fed himself porridge no but theres never a reason to take a back in the first round....99% of running backs are beholden to the rest of the offense
The line makes the back, no doubt, but he is a special talent. He would have been successful almost anywhere, although probably not to the same degree.
the rb talk is also sports radio fodder and very easy to get the rubes riled up
slobbering obese meathead gargano has been drooling over cook for weeks even after he dropped to a low 1st/2nd
I doubt it would happen, but if cook falls to them in the 2nd. get.
He's not dropping that far. And the Eagles would be loco if they passed him up. Bad shoulder or not. Dude has rare skills.
if he was that rare he would be the first overall pick especially in a draft that is not very good at the top...shtein he might not even be the first rb taken this some sort of generational prospect
hes a very good prospect at a position that is easily filled and not overly important
add in the fact that the eagles supposedly have a franchise qb...thats even less a reason you need to spend a top 15 pick on a rb
oh but he went to bobby bowden u so MUST GET
He never played for Bowden and he'd be the first back taken if he hadn't had shoulder issues in the past.
And lol at it not being important. It's only 50% of the offense.
I'm sure you've convinced him now.
I think that the career expectancy of a RB vs WR alone should be enough to scare every GM away from drafting a RB early unless you truly believe that he's got all-time great potential....like AP. It's early, but Zeke appears to be cut from the same cloth.
But even then, nothing ruins RB talent faster than a major injury, so even if you get it right with the player and he's all world as farg, the odds that he's still performing at all world levels within 5 years are pretty god damn slim. AP is the obvious exception to that rule. Time will tell if Zeke is too but the odds are really stacked against him.
I don't really give a shtein who they pick. Just pick someone good for a change.
i'll be a little disappointed if the go rb in the 1st...but yeah...it's crucial not to marcus smith any of the early picks.
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2017, 12:26:40 PM
It's only 50% of the offense.
wait you mean because there are two option on every play...run or pass?...lol
offensive positions by importance
1. QB
2. OL
3. WR
4. RB
5. TE
6. K
im fine with cook in the 2nd but id prefer they spend their first 3-4 picks on corner and dline before going rb
Quote from: ice grillin you on March 24, 2017, 08:24:36 AM
j you are the leader of the pack of fans i referenced the other day that only want a back in the first because dallas got zeke last year and they believe the eagles should play to beat dallas every season not win a superbowl
Once again...you're wrong.
I've wanted Fournette for a couple years.
Normally I do not want RBs in round one. Give me the value in later rounds of a deep draft. Except for Fournette.
Fournette ain't happening, Tex.
They have no other choice but to draft CBs with 2 of their first 3 picks. They have one CB on the roster and no cap space. They 'literally' are out of other options. Even if a guy like Sidney Jones drop I don't know that they can chance taking him with the hope he plays this season. All they have is Jalen Mills.
I like Jalen Mills.
I'd be fine with Cook or McCaffrey in the first, since they can both play that multifaceted RB/TE role, and it would definitely solidify the offense. After that, go all in on defense and maybe an OL toward the end.
I get that they need CB but the reality is, where they're currently picking, there's not going to be an elite one available. Pick the most talented player within reason and I'll be happy.
Quote from: Rome on March 24, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
I get that they need CB but the reality is, where they're currently picking, there's not going to be an elite one available.
there is not going to be an elite anything available when they pick
this drafts top ten isnt elite much less at 14...at the same time it one of the deepest drafts ever (particularly at corner) and in that sense i get not taking a corner at 1 because you can get a really good one in the second or even into the 3rd and 4th rounds...that said sd is right...they are so super thin at the position that taking a corner at 1 and 2 would not be out of bounds
no one talks about it much but other than corner their biggest need is probably pass rusher...unfortunately there isnt going to be one there when they pick but they also need to upgrade their front seven...if somehow reuben foster were to fall that would have to be pick...that dood is so ill
john ross is a pimp style game changer i love that guy...wouldnt hate corey davis either...either of these guys would be fine if you wanna just keep throwing weapons at wentz
I know the drafts in Philly and all but if they can trade back to the mid to late 20's in the first and pick up an extra second I'd be all for that.
Quote from: SD on March 24, 2017, 09:31:11 PM
I know the drafts in Philly and all but if they can trade back to the mid to late 20's in the first and pick up an extra second I'd be all for that.
id be fine with this as well...this draft imo is going to come to be known for its second to fifth rounds...so many really good players are going to come out of that area
As far as the "Philly" thing goes with this draft, I don't care if they pick 1st or 32. It's just nice that they got back into the 1st round for a draft being held like 5 miles from NovaCare. Move up, move back, stay put makes me no never mind so long as they don't trade out of the 1st completely.
I too am ok with sliding back and grabbing an extra pick
It's a deep draft and the more the merrier.
Corey Davis or Mike Williams would be nice at 14 too.
I'm not all in on Ross. Could be sold on him but I'm not all the way there yet.
I'd even be ok with Cook at 14 depending on what the board looks like at the time. But really the only back I'm all in for in the first is Fournette.
im anti running back period in the first round but i dont get at all why if you are down with a rb in round 1 youd want fournette and not cook
Because I've been a fan of Fournette for years. Love his game.
I don't hate Cook and I'd be ok with taking him in the sense that it would probably be a safe pick and immediately benefit the team.
The good thing here is the three positions where they need most help (RB, CB, WR) are all deep. So if they went CB/WR/RB or WR/RB/CB or RB/CB/WR I think they have a shot to come away in a good spot.
running back is very deep which makes it even more preposterous to me to take one in the first round
Ever since Westbrook, I see no point in taking one before the 3rd.
you know who i really love is adoree jackson....dook is a stone cold playmaker....doubt he makes it to the eagles second pick but if he does and you wanna make carsons dick hard scoop him up
Carlos Henderson LaTech
Get
They're going to get a nice safe bland cornerback from the SEC.
YAWN.
Quote from: Tomahawk on March 25, 2017, 03:08:16 AM
Ever since Westbrook, I see no point in taking one before the 3rd.
You can't use that pick as a measuring point. Besides having the small school knock, he had a minor injury that caused him to slip into the 3rd round.
That's kind of what I'm seeing with Mixon. He's a top talent, but there are issues that will cause him to slip in the draft. He'd be a great gamble, but I wouldn't want to deal with his issues as a first round pick.
As for Fournette, there's no arguing that he's the top guy. The thing is that he probably doesn't fit the Eagles system at this point. Pederson seems to prefer the more shifty RB who can line up as a WR and be a dual threat.
All in all, I'm just hoping they don't do one of those Watkins type of WTF moves where the act like they're smarter than the rest of the NFL.
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on March 27, 2017, 11:02:13 AM
All in all, I'm just hoping they don't do one of those Watkins type of WTF moves where the act like they're smarter than the rest of the NFL.
sure, go ahead and ask the impossible.
Teez Tabor ran a 4.73
Not good for a corner
It's a disaster for a corner.
get ?
farg that gator trash.
kiper did his annual draft regrades....
QuotePhilly fans weren't happy with the grade at the time, and probably won't be in love with the new one, but I'll explain. As I wrote then, "It's hard to give the Eagles an above-average grade just based on the draft value they gave away to get up to No. 2, where they are drafting a player I really like in Carson Wentz." Again, I liked Wentz and still had to factor in the picks they traded away. It was a steep price. If I could factor the Sam Bradford trade into this, then they'd get a bump because they recouped a first-rounder. Good on them. Now, if you think I'm still crazy because you're convinced Wentz is a franchise quarterback, I'd just say I really think he could be, but we don't know just yet. He really struggled down the stretch, finishing at 26th in QBR, and needs to take a step forward this season if the Eagles are going to contend in the NFC East. Can he? Sure. Especially with some added help at wide receiver.
Elsewhere, there isn't much to speak of just yet. Wendell Smallwood saw some action, as did Jalen Mills, and Isaac Seumalo picked up four starts. Ultimately, it's all about Wentz. If he becomes the franchise QB, it's a great draft.
some great analysis....if wentz is good it was a good trade
got it
That's why they pay him the big bucks.
He didn't mention Big V so farg you Mel!
Quote from: MDS on March 30, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
some great analysis....if wentz is good it was a good trade
got it
like the chris long sigining "probably" not effecting this years number one pick
two peas in a pod
one of us gets paid millions the other works in search marketing
wonder which one is which
Best thing with wentz is this years qb crop sucks. I'd take him in a heartbeat over anyone this year.
and thats part of the reason they did it....they knew there was nothing this year
but youre talking about a rankings/draft grade worshiper so mel kiper helmet hair's hot take is literally gospel
Jalen Mills "got some time."
Ummm...
kiper invented an industry that helps ruin sports
he knows as much as anyone else in that projecting the athletic prowess of 20 year olds is impossible yet millions hang on pins and needles waiting for his analysis of a defensive end from mississippi that nobody ever heard of or will ever hear of.
farg the draft
This is all true but it happens around my birthday every year and that provides me with an excuse to drink for three days straight.
Only hoydas need an excuse to drink.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on March 31, 2017, 07:22:42 PM
Only hoydas need an excuse to drink.
but real men eat stew
That is a fair point. I'm permitted to rationalize drinking for three days straight.
i drink three days straight every other weekend
alternate mondays off ftw
I have everyday off and drink whenever the farg I want with no need for rationalizing. 8am on Tuesday? Farg it, pour some Maker's on my Coco Puffs, bitch.
This is the worst AA meeting I've ever seen.
I drink seven days straight you goddamn children.
Quote from: Diomedes on March 31, 2017, 11:21:36 PM
I drink seven days straight
fresh brewed iced tea with your in laws
i havent seen a dumb mock in a while so here http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2017/04/nfl_mock_draft_2017_projecting_eagles_first-5_pick.html
does it get more repug than this eagles draft cap
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9TqGgoVwAAg_K0.jpg)
I bet there's 31 others that look about as bad.
He's only saying that because it's hideous.
Quote from: Sgt PSN on April 13, 2017, 01:48:23 PM
I bet there's 31 others that look about as bad.
you cant on one hand the number that are worse than the eagles
youll need one more hand for the number that are even close to as bad
basically its like their jersey but you are adding in the nfl normal hideous draft day tastes soits even worse
If the bill was plain white it'd be awesome
If the bill was plain white it would be a boring-ass hat, but at least it wouldn't look as goofy.
I like boring and plain hats
there's one cap I wont be purchasing.
there is nothing worse than a white hat cept maybe white pants
don't forget white people. they're the worst.
Quote from: hunt on April 13, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
don't forget white people. they're the worst.
white people, wearing white hats and pants.
Quote from: hunt on April 13, 2017, 03:51:52 PM
don't forget white people. they're the worst.
black cat bad luck bad guys wear black must have been a white guy who started all that
I still wear my Phillies WFC hat. No need for any others.
I think I probably have three Eagle hats worse than that, thanks to the bad taste of gift givers in my life. They get worn strictly when I'm doing some kind of activity that could lead to destruction of the hat.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/jerome99rip/IMG_5099_zps44mfoxpg.jpg)
Greatest Eagles cap ever.
that's so bad it's awesome
What's not to like about that hat, it makes headlines whenever you wear it.
Quote from: General_Failure on April 13, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
What's not to like about that hat, it makes headlines whenever you wear it.
:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Quote from: General_Failure on April 13, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
What's not to like about that hat, it makes headlines whenever you wear it.
Huzzzzzah!!
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/dalvin-cook-says-eagles-have-heavy-interest-compares-himself-jamaal-charles
Please God yes.
Quote from: Rome on April 13, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/dalvin-cook-says-eagles-have-heavy-interest-compares-himself-jamaal-charles
Please God yes.
Fumbles and arrests are a bad combination. He had an awful combine too. In a deep RB draft I wouldn't touch him until the late 2nd/3rd
Quote from: Rome on April 13, 2017, 06:44:00 PM
Greatest Eagles cap ever.
I used to have that hat. I wore it so much it smelled and mama dooks threw it out
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 13, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
that's so bad it's awesome
Exactly
Quote from: SD on April 13, 2017, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 13, 2017, 08:24:49 PM
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/dalvin-cook-says-eagles-have-heavy-interest-compares-himself-jamaal-charles
Please God yes.
Fumbles and arrests are a bad combination. He had an awful combine too. In a deep RB draft I wouldn't touch him until the late 2nd/3rd
Lol. So you've never actually seen him play then.
K.
I've seen him play. Never thought he was anything special. RBs are rarely taken in the first round. He's not special, I wouldn't waste a first on him when it's a deep RB draft. Makes no sense.
Agree to disagree I guess
When he lights it up in the NFL, we'll revisit this.
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2017, 07:43:16 AM
Agree to disagree I guess
When he lights it up in the NFL, we'll revisit this.
so if he's there at 14, you're locked in ?
i wholeheartedly agree with sd that you cant take him at 14....or probably ever...i dont really want a person whole blasts women in the face with anything other than semen but damn i dont know how you could watch him and not think he was special....i think hes the best back in the draft by a decent amount too
I don't think there's a 'special' back in this draft. Maybe Fournette in the right system. Over the past 5 years only 2 backs were taken in the first round I'd consider worth the pick, Elliott and Gurley. Over the last 10 years AP, beastmode and CJ2K. Guys like Shady/Jamaal Charles/Ray Rice/Forte/Demarco Murray/Leveon Bell/David Johnson were all taken in the 2nd round or later. I'd rank every one of those players ahead of Cook.
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2017, 07:43:16 AM
Agree to disagree I guess
When he lights it up in the NFL, we'll revisit this.
only thing hes lighting up his a girls face
florida state fans are human garbage and every last one of them is acting like this bull is barry sanders jr. yea no.
Quote from: SD on April 14, 2017, 08:27:13 AM
I don't think there's a 'special' back in this draft. Maybe Fournette in the right system. Over the past 5 years only 2 backs were taken in the first round I'd consider worth the pick, Elliott and Gurley. Over the last 10 years AP, beastmode and CJ2K. Guys like Shady/Jamaal Charles/Ray Rice/Forte/Demarco Murray/Leveon Bell/David Johnson were all taken in the 2nd round or later. I'd rank every one of those players ahead of Cook.
i wouldnt take zeke elliot in the first round if he came out this year even knowing what he did in the nfl....this is an outstanding draft class for rb's one of the highest rated ever and if you are the best or even one of the two best of that bunch you are "special"...the problem with backs is you are only a special prospect (where as say myles garrett is almost assured of being a special nfl player) because you are so dependent on the rest of your offense...is zeke special on the rams?
also what do running backs even do for you in the modern nfl
here are the leading rushers for the last 15 superbowl winners
brandon jackson
jonas gray
legarrett blount
ronnie hillman
jerome bettis
pierre thomas
marshawn lynch
ray rice
brandon jacobs
ahmed bradshaw
joseph addai
willie parker
corey dillon
antwan smith
michael pittman
now tell me you should ever take a rb in the first round
romey is letting his FSU homerism come out.
I think Cook is going to be good but the only back I take in round 1 is Fournette.
As we talked about before this draft is so deep that you can get a guy in the 3-5th who will be a really good player.
This website is gonna get ugly when the Eagles take that white RB from Stanford in the first round.
Pretty much.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
Quote from: SD on April 14, 2017, 08:27:13 AM
I don't think there's a 'special' back in this draft. Maybe Fournette in the right system. Over the past 5 years only 2 backs were taken in the first round I'd consider worth the pick, Elliott and Gurley. Over the last 10 years AP, beastmode and CJ2K. Guys like Shady/Jamaal Charles/Ray Rice/Forte/Demarco Murray/Leveon Bell/David Johnson were all taken in the 2nd round or later. I'd rank every one of those players ahead of Cook.
now tell me you should ever take a rb in the first round
If I were GM I wouldn't take a RB in the first round regardless of who it is...history has proven time and time again you can get a top back in the 2nd or later. It's justifiable the Cowboys took Elliott (even though I agree 100% he's a product of their O Line) because of his production and Gurley 2 seasons ago was a beast behind the Rams piss poor line. Is Zeke special on the Rams? Maybe if their O-line was at least average.
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 14, 2017, 10:55:23 AM
This website is gonna get ugly when the Eagles take that white RB from Stanford in the first round.
I'm fine with that. The pick and the place going crazy.
If the Eagles have a shot at Gareon Conley they should take him. Looks like he's moving into the top ten now, I think
experts are realizing he's been OSU best corner for the last two years. He's way better then Apple. Very surprised to see
him projected late first early 2nd in some of the early mocks.
Quote from: chuck_chillout on April 14, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
If the Eagles have a shot at Gareon Conley they should take him. Looks like he's moving into the top ten now, I think
experts are realizing he's been OSU best corner for the last two years. He's way better then Apple. Very surprised to see
him projected late first early 2nd in some of the early mocks.
Chuck!
I would be ok with him too. Several of the draftnik's say he's the best CB for their system
Holy farg. A chuck chillout sighting.
Now I'm SURE the Eagles are taking Cook.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 14, 2017, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: chuck_chillout on April 14, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
If the Eagles have a shot at Gareon Conley they should take him. Looks like he's moving into the top ten now, I think
experts are realizing he's been OSU best corner for the last two years. He's way better then Apple. Very surprised to see
him projected late first early 2nd in some of the early mocks.
Chuck!
I would be ok with him too. Several of the draftnik's say he's the best CB for their system
Hey Phreak! Long time Listener.
Yeah I thought he could be steal , now it looks like he won't make it to...15?
Quote from: Rome on April 14, 2017, 11:32:39 AM
Holy farg. A chuck chillout sighting.
Now I'm SURE the Eagles are taking Cook.
Hey Rome ;)
If it helps keep the D off the field, can't be bad.
Quote from: chuck_chillout on April 14, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
If the Eagles have a shot at Gareon Conley they should take him. Looks like he's moving into the top ten now, I think
experts are realizing he's been OSU best corner for the last two years. He's way better then Apple. Very surprised to see
him projected late first early 2nd in some of the early mocks.
altho i wouldnt take him at 14 i do like conley but hes not even close to the best corner on his team....lattimore who obviously wont get close to the eagles has an off the charts ceiling
with conley i just dont think he is THAT much better than whoever they could get in the second round....CB is deeeeep this year
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 14, 2017, 08:55:25 AM
i wouldnt take zeke elliot in the first round if he came out this year even knowing what he did in the nfl....this is an outstanding draft class for rb's one of the highest rated ever and if you are the best or even one of the two best of that bunch you are "special"...the problem with backs is you are only a special prospect (where as say myles garrett is almost assured of being a special nfl player) because you are so dependent on the rest of your offense...is zeke special on the rams?
also what do running backs even do for you in the modern nfl
now tell me you should ever take a rb in the first round
I am in 100% agreement with the above observation. Elliot is a damn good back but IGY with J on his shoulders while pushing me and my sorry ass artificial left hip in a wheel barrow could run behind that line.
Love that list IGY on the past 15 leading rushers on the SB champions. Tells it all.
I hope Howie trades up 10 spots in the 1st and takes a RB. Figure since the draft is in Philly, Howie needs to put maximum effort into getting booed.
Except they wouldn't boo him if the Eagles got Fournette.
of course meathead eagles fans would cheer because fournette might the only player in the draft they have ever heard of but also have no clue that he would be a bad fit for their offense
https://cdn0-vox--cdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/u2GPp9ET97Ia5XTV75aD4EG2spw=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8363077/RS_x_20170418_NFl_Draft_Experience_Map__FINAL_.jpeg (https://cdn0-vox--cdn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/u2GPp9ET97Ia5XTV75aD4EG2spw=/1400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8363077/RS_x_20170418_NFl_Draft_Experience_Map__FINAL_.jpeg)
Holy shtein.
http://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/19/report-eagles-have-permission-from-owner-to-draft-joe-mixon/
Foster is good not amazing. Jonathan Allen was the star of that D. Not sure I'd take Foster even if he fell to 14 with the botched sample.
This is the first year in as far back as I can remember that I haven't followed prospects and the draft. Have too much shtein going on right now. I don't think LB is as pressing a need as other positions, but if Foster is BPA I have no problem taking him at 14. I still hope they trade back and pick up an extra 2nd.
Also PASS on Marlon Humphrey.
mcshay released his inside info column which is basically a mix of everything hes heard from talking to executives agents coaches etc...he says foster and dalvin cook both are dropping a little and he thinks both will be there for the eagles....in fact he said hes hearing the colts really like foster and would probably take him at 15 if he makes it there...tampa loves cook and would take him at 19 if he falls that far
he also says carolina loves mccaffrey and hes hearing they would take him at 8 even over fournette
im hearing that someone else is hearing that a team may draft a player but also might not draft a player in a spot if he falls depending on who else is there, but thats just a rumor
As much as I'd like a guy like Fournette, I can't see him working in Gomer's system. If they get him, it would signal a major shift in the offensive scheme.
Whatever they do with the first pick, I'm starting to think Mixon would be okay in the 2nd.
Excuse me but we have a thread for all things Joe Mixon.
And I agree. Get that woman-beating sunovabish.
Gareon Conley accused of rape per TMZ
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2017/04/25/nfl-prospect-gareon-conley-accused-of-rape-denies-allegations/
He met her at 3AM in an elevator, asked her to have a 4some, she declined but said she'd watch, then Conley banged her and now she's accusing him of rape? Don't know if I'm buying it.
I'm tripping on the whole "you wanna farg?"
"nah i'll just watch"
She went to the hospital and filed a police report immediately so who knows...or maybe she figured out who he is and thinks she can cash in.
she should have waited until after he signed if she wanted money cause he just cost himself a lot of it
and she aint gettin paid if hes in jail
if you want money from a rich dood you need to get preggers by one
She probably thought she had leverage, then she went public with whatever twisted story she had when he wouldn't make a deal.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2017, 02:44:28 PM
if you want money from a rich dood you need to get preggers by one
Kobe settled with that girl out of court and she didn't get knocked up.
I'm not impressed with TMZ's journalistic skills; they should have published the results of the rape kit.
Quote from: Tomahawk on April 25, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 25, 2017, 02:44:28 PM
if you want money from a rich dood you need to get preggers by one
Kobe settled with that girl out of court and she didn't get knocked up.
i mean theres exceptions to every rule...but easiest safest way to do it is have a baby
also if you are trying to get rich then you should probably try and hem up an actual guy who is rich....not a guy who has yet to make a dollar
so go rapest in the 1st. woman beater in the 2nd ?
Quote from: smeags on April 25, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
so go rapest in the 1st. woman beater in the 2nd ?
you would hope hippie lurie is better than this but he aint getting any younger
Quote from: smeags on April 25, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
so go rapest in the 1st. woman beater in the 2nd ?
Yeah but not these ones. The ones that haven't been caught yet.
Why can't these fargin fools stop raping women?
Just pay them up front and get it in writing.
forget the rape aspect of it just that fact that hes having a drunken early morning foursome 48 hrs before the biggest day of his life is beyond stupid.....you have two more days to not put your self in a position to farg this up...lock yourself in a basement until you are picked then go out and party
people in the nfl could give a farg about a girl getting raped....they will care way more about his dcision making and lack of self control the week of the draft
Yeah - that and the failing of drug tests when you know you're going to get tested...low intelligence.
Live in a damn bubble
They did, and there's no accountability in the bubble.
as usual the woman is making it up even though statistically that never happens
damn bitches
voyeurism is a dangerous game
Right? If you pay a woman to shtein on a glass table in stiletto heels, that table could crack and slice your throat real quick.
true, and if you go to watch a threesome, you could suddenly find yourself in a 4some.
voluntarily, or not. :paranoid
so she's a cuck!
Do you take a shot and pick Sidney Jones in the 2nd or 3rd and stash him while he recovers?
its not a shot...its a no brainer move
definitely not before the third and i wouldnt take him until day 3 tho he wont be avaiable then...its not like healthy he was some super stud....he was probably in the 20-32 range
I've not looked at one mock draft this year. First time in maybe ever since I've been following the NFL
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2017, 09:08:31 PM
I've not looked at one mock draft this year. First time in maybe ever since I've been following the NFL
Fake news
The Patriots should trade up to draft Conley to prove due process trumps accusations.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 25, 2017, 08:15:58 PM
Do you take a shot and pick Sidney Jones in the 2nd or 3rd and stash him while he recovers?
Was listening to Ray Diddy over the weekend, he said he wouldn't pick Jones till the 5th. I'm good with 3rd round or later
I think he'll be available in the 3rd. Even our late pick. Seems like a good place to secure him for the future.
Jones was a top 10 talent before he got hurt. If he's there in the third, something is drastically wrong with him physically.
Watch the Patriots gobble him up. It's what they do.
If I could trade back towards the end of the second I would take him there.
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2017, 07:47:52 AM
Jones was a top 10 talent before he got hurt. If he's there in the third, something is drastically wrong with him physically.
Watch the Patriots gobble him up. It's what they do.
what do the patriots do?
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2017, 07:47:52 AM
Jones was a top 10 talent before he got hurt. If he's there in the third, something is drastically wrong with him physically.
Maybe...but with so many other healthy DBs available, I have to think that not many teams would want to take a risk with a higher pick.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2017, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2017, 07:47:52 AM
Jones was a top 10 talent before he got hurt. If he's there in the third, something is drastically wrong with him physically.
Watch the Patriots gobble him up. It's what they do.
what do the patriots do?
Take advantage of everyone else. Anally.
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2017, 09:56:05 AM
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2017, 07:47:52 AM
Jones was a top 10 talent before he got hurt. If he's there in the third, something is drastically wrong with him physically.
Watch the Patriots gobble him up. It's what they do.
what do the patriots do?
Take advantage of everyone else. Anally/Anually.
I love Kay Adams
If lil guy tips picks we need to send Sarge over to thump him
Jeff Darlington
Here's latest I hear on Christian McCaffrey: Eagles really like him but don't expect him to be around at 14. Could be a trade-up scenario.
Plz no
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
Jeff Darlington
Here's latest I hear on Christian McCaffrey: Eagles really like him but don't expect him to be around at 14. Could be a trade-up scenario.
Plz no
Dear god no. I wouldn't touch Mccaffrey until the 3rd. Supposedly Carolina loves him and will take him at 8 if he's there.
nfln has already hit the over on number of rocky statue shots
Carl Weathers looks absurdly fit for his (or any other) age.
Totally farging amazing.
Pretty sure my buddy called the girl in the background wearing the Dez jersey a fat funhole at an Eagles game a few years ago.
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2017, 07:26:31 PM
Carl Weathers looks absurdly fit for his (or any other) age.
Totally farging amazing.
lol.....down boy
Hit?
so many unbelievable aerial shots of the city
randy moss looks so weird as one of the onsite reporters
britt mchenry who is reporting from arizona was fired by espn yesterday
I'm watching espn and recording the nfln feed
Let's goooooo
I was just thinking how bad tonight would suck for the city if the birds didn't have a 1st round pick
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
I was just thinking how bad tonight would suck for the city if the birds didn't have a 1st round pick
it would be great for the idiots who went down there and are sitting in that god awful wall to wall crowd for the next three hrs waiting for the birds to pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 08:04:54 PM
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2017, 08:00:44 PM
I was just thinking how bad tonight would suck for the city if the birds didn't have a 1st round pick
it would be great for the idiots who went down there and are sitting in that god awful wall to wall crowd for the next three hrs waiting for the birds to pick
There's more people there than there were for Trumps inaugaration
Great boo there
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@AdamSchefter
Wildest, most raucous atmosphere in draft history. Philadelphia bringing it.
anita baker was not motown trey
bring boomer back!
The bears trade up
And they're gonna take Solomon farging Thomas?!
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 08:18:04 PM
The bears trade up
And they're gonna take Solomon farging Thomas?!
What a stupid trade by the Bears. I would have called the Niners bluff. If the Niners take their guy, trade back.
thats one of th most ridiculous trades ive ever seen
SF gets a 3 and a 4 this year, and a 3 next year. Plus swap spots with Bears.
Holy shtein what an overpay!
And they took Trubisky
Wow.
wow, frigging wow!
And the Bears take Trubisky lol
cleveland is steaming right now
My god they traded way too much and took Mitch Trubisky
Amazing
SF gonna go Adams here?
I'm rarely completely surprised by anything.
I'm surprised by that. Jesus.
Reach at 2 & 3
Solomon Thomas to SF
farg farg farg
My Fournette dream is dead
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 08:36:05 PM
farg farg farg
My Fournette dream is dead
Love Fournette, but he's not a fit for the Eagles offense. Cook's their best fit.
Holy shtein I can't believe Davis went 5th.
Incredible.
Motherfarging shtein
Mike Williams please!!
I say Adams to NYJ, Hooker to Chargers and white Reggie bush to CAR
One scenario I've wondered about is if Hooker falls out of the top 10 - would the Eagles go up and get him? Jenkins could slide to CB and you get a big upgrade in the secondary.
There goes the white RB. IGY breathes easy, Other CF likes the Panthers a little more now.
The gritty little engine that could is gone
Thank god
I'm farging livid that Davis and Williams are gone
This is getting interesting.
surprised Ross went that high. Wouldn't have hated him being the pick at 14
Chiefs traded up to 10
just the tip boys
just the tip
If the Chiefs don't take Lattimore and I don't see why they would the Eagles should trade the farg up and pick Lattimore. They have an extra 4th. No brainer Howie.
Ross to Cincy makes sense. They needed a second option along AJ
The Chiefs just traded pick 27, a 2017 3rd round pick and their 2018 first round pick to Buffalo for pick 10.
Deshaun and Andy?!?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
Ross to Cincy makes sense. They needed a second option along AJ
The Chiefs just traded pick 27, a 2017 3rd round pick and their 2018 first round pick to Buffalo for pick 10.
Deshaun and Andy?!?
Joe Mixon and Andy...he loves his rehab projects
saints likely on lattimore
eagles needed to jump them in THIS SPOT
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2017, 09:18:55 PM
saints likely on lattimore
eagles needed to jump them in THIS SPOT
yeah didn't realize they picked 11.
lol ok eagles had no shot with the haul the chiefs gave up.....a 3rd and a 1st for patrick mahomes!!
I think Saints go Jonathan Allen
Mahomes?!? Wow!
Disrepekkkkk for my boy Watson
Birds could get Latimore right now for a 3 and 4, not sure I'd do it, but wait pick or two and I'd go for it no doubt.
i hope youre right j because that sets up the eagles with a chance to grab the best cb on the board
if he clears NO howie gotta do jew market shtein
I'm happy with one of Lattimore, Barnett, or Allen.
Just about every team after NO needs DB help so they may see Humphrey fall to them after Latimore and maybe Hooker go.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Jesus Christ
Jonathan Allen to the Eagles?
Yes or no?
tease
gimme allen
Wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles take Howard. At 14 he's a steal.
Houstons taking Watson here
houston going qb here
cards my guess go oj howard to help their offense
eagles get their gotta go bpa defense
Allen is so so good. Humphrey is not.
these teams giving up future 1s to get these horrible qbs
howie must be jerking himself off to this
I was texting my buddy and said Eagles should trade out with Houston
But Texans had to jump Arizona
I'm all in on Allen now
shteins about to get real
this has fallen amazingly for the birds...please please please arizona take allen...i want howard so bad....altho i think arizona takes howard makes way to much sense
This can't be happening.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2017, 09:38:36 PM
this has fallen amazingly for the birds...please please please arizona take allen...i want howard so bad....altho i think arizona takes howard makes way to much sense
Allen was best player on Bama
Is there anyone other than Allen or Howard we don't get upset about?
Howard is a very nice player but they have about a billion dollars more than they should have in TE contracts. farg the shoulder problems, I'd take Allen and I don't like taking medical chances with some many holes to fill.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2017, 09:41:40 PM
Howard is a very nice player but they have about a billion dollars more than they should have in TE contracts. farg the shoulder problems, I'd take Allen and I don't like taking medical chances with some many holes to fill.
howard is much better than nice hes one of the three best players in this draft with garrett and jamal adams and would be on a rookie deal for four years....and ertz contract is fair for a good veteran te....do the gronk plus another great te thing like new england and set wentz the farg up
LETS DO THIS!
Temple Hassan to Zona
I wouldn't hate Howard mostly because I'm not an Ertz fan but I get the feeling the Eagles love Ertz so TE is not a priority
Ok
ALLEN PLEASE
Good for Reddick. Dude deserves it.
Arians Temple connection
lil guy just busted a nut
beats saying barnett is the expectation
meh
I'm watching grown-ass men talking about corporate twitter accounts sending each other emojis. What the farg am I doing?
Barnett over Allen and I'm gonna break something
Lol watch them go Dalvin Cook
womp womp
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
Barnett over Allen and I'm gonna break something
lol
I don't understand it either
Jesus farging Christ. This team.
I would've been ok with Barnett two hours ago but not with who was on the board.
absolutely nauseous watching this oj howard film
at least the eagles didnt take the 25 year old ex druggie
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
at least the eagles didnt take the 25 year old ex druggie
this is the daily news cover tomorrow
My 52nd birthday is tomorrow and I'm actually wondering if I'll ever see a winner of any kind ever again.
oh hey look the giants got a sick offensive weapon at te/wr
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2017, 10:47:31 PM
My 52nd birthday is tomorrow and I'm actually wondering if I'll ever see a winner of any kind ever again.
Spoiler alert
[spoiler]No[/spoiler]
4.42 40 at that size is just stupid.
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2017, 10:52:12 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 27, 2017, 10:47:31 PM
My 52nd birthday is tomorrow and I'm actually wondering if I'll ever see a winner of any kind ever again.
Spoiler alert
[spoiler]No[/spoiler]
haha
Conley hoes to the Raiderzzzz.
PERFECT.
Gareon Conley, only two spots that made sense for him, the Raiders or the Cowboys.
lol oakland takes the rapist
I think dallas would have taken him, which would been the least surprising thing to happen this off season. They were talking with him today.
Engram was a reach
He's a slot guy. Can't play in-line TE in the NFL.
IceJabrillinYou to Cleveland
Saw the report where video proves Conleys accuser lied about her first meeting him in the elevator. BSO tweeted it out from TMZ
I can't believe there's NFL fans who still use the "defense wins championships" cliche.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Engram was a reach
He's a slot guy. Can't play in-line TE in the NFL.
wtf?
theres no such thing as in line te's in the nfl anymore....welcome to the 21st century
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
I can't believe there's NFL fans who still use the "defense wins championships" cliche.
It beat the Seahawks
Every farging thing to me! Do they interview all these guys now?
Defense beat the Falcons when NE held ATL scoreless in the 4th quarter as the offense came back from -25.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2017, 11:17:29 PM
Defense beat the Falcons when NE held ATL scoreless in the 4th quarter as the offense came back from -25.
so did horrible play calling
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 11:07:23 PM
Engram was a reach
He's a slot guy. Can't play in-line TE in the NFL.
wtf?
theres no such thing as in line te's in the nfl anymore....welcome to the 21st century
I mean he's going to get jerked around if he doesn't have a clean release from lining up in the slot
Oh man...Cowboy fan friends are pissed
Love it
durrrr dallas SUCKS lol
it was a terrible pick.....dude sucks
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2017, 11:24:41 PM
durrrr dallas SUCKS lol
They do suck you ignorant fargkking wretch.
i know right! the worst franchise
how pittsburghy would ruben foster be here
Please tell me when they circumcised you they threw in a free vasectomy.
farg Pittsburgh
franco harris the joe pa truther
good to see him
Niners took Froster
frosty the san fran man
Damn. Was starting to get my hopes up he'd keep falling.
Soooo....Dalvin Cook tomorrow?
Dalvin tomorrow
Anyone who disagrees let's fight
not a chance hes there when they pick....hes a top 5 at worst pick tomorrow
I hate everyone and everything. farg all of you to death.
dalvin cook gonna light up the injury report and not much else
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 27, 2017, 11:46:09 PM
Dalvin tomorrow
Anyone who disagrees let's fight
This is where the Eagles farged themselves. They're forced to take a CB because their depth is pathetic.
Kevin King tomorrow
king and cook on the board
who ya got
Tankersly and the Colorado corners are on the board still
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2017, 11:56:45 PM
king and cook on the board
who ya got
Cook...Eagles don't need corners when Barnett is sacking the qb before he can even take a 1 step drop
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2017, 11:56:45 PM
king and cook on the board
who ya got
neither are going to be there
mcshays top pick of the first round was tampa and oj howard
They can take Kamara too - maybe in the 3rd for him
Good player
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/philadelphias-outdoor-nfl-draft-upstaged-everyone-even-jerry-jones-035228225.html
Mad love by everyone for Philadelphia
SVP led SC with it.
Jamal Adams falling to NYJ was the best pick of the round
the event itself was actually terrible
nevermind schlepping out to the middle of the parkway is impractical....it was just a mess and sea of people. you couldnt hear or see anything. if you had seats in the actual theater area or one of the vip jawns maybe it was cool but for everyone else youre basically standing there trying to look at a screen with no sound while drunken morons start eagles chants and yell dallas sucks
they had some games...the lombardi...a few hof busts...super bowl rings...locker rooms....i saw spike eskin and glen macnow.....but unless you want to wait for an hour to take a picture of a trophy i dont get it.
the atmosphere played well on tv so theres that
Did you and Sarge bro hug?
had no idea he was even going
i mean i knew it was going to be stupid and it was. grabbed some dinner....checked it out...was gone by the time the browns picked. there was no audio out there so you just had to look at the screen to see the name. kinda lame.
but im not gonna crush an event that people are suckling the city for. by all accounts this thing was a success reputation wise (i cant imagine its going to make the city money).
if anyone is thinking of going, go tomorrow. saturday is going to be a farging trainwreck unless you like standing in lines and smelling sweaty delco white trash armpit stench.
how about a 4 and a garbage pick to the pack to move up to 33 for cook or king?
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
how about a 4 and a garbage pick to the pack to move up to 33 for cook or king?
In
Go King and maybe Mixon falls to the 3rd
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 12:33:24 AM
Did you and Sarge bro hug?
Handy in the port o potti
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Go King and maybe Mixon falls to the 3rd
That might even be possible without a trade. And if you're dead set against Mixon (or he's gone)...Kareem Hunt will work.
cant wait until the third for him but if you dont wanna lose a pick to get a rb by trading up for cook a great option in round 2 for rb would be alvin kamara....i farging love that guy
not sure how they dont take a corner tho
I was thinking of taking my lil guy down after school for a bit. maybe not.
i have 2 tweets for you
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Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 12:38:50 AM
had no idea he was even going
i mean i knew it was going to be stupid and it was. grabbed some dinner....checked it out...was gone by the time the browns picked. there was no audio out there so you just had to look at the screen to see the name. kinda lame.
but im not gonna crush an event that people are suckling the city for. by all accounts this thing was a success reputation wise (i cant imagine its going to make the city money).
if anyone is thinking of going, go tomorrow. saturday is going to be a farging trainwreck unless you like standing in lines and smelling sweaty delco white trash armpit stench.
You dumbass. I only posted that I was going about a million times.
But yeah, it was ok. I wasn't expecting much so I'd say it slightly exceeded my expectations. The setup was really nice I thought, just an absolute shtein show of people.
Saw JoJo though. He gave some dude a piggy back ride. He's tall, made it easy to see him.
I was standing directly in front of some ESPN broadcast outside the North VIP tent. Some ESPN Asian looking dude I've never seen before and Raiders Legend James Cowser. I thought it was Clay Matthews from behind cause dook has long hair but then he turned around and looking like a 10 year old kid.
They did a really bad job on sound for the people outside though. You couldn't hear up until Rog announced the Eagles pick...place went silent for like 8 seconds. Then boos.
It was ok. Glad I did it but I would never travel to another city to do this. It really wasn't even worth the drive from Pennsyltucky, but this is also alumni weekend at VF, so I was already spending the weekend down here anyway.
thats funny...thats the area i was hanging out in for the short time i was there. some dude was yelling at that guy saying he was casey matthews.
Haha. I heard that. I was literally standing directly beneath him. When they were on air (don't know if it was live) I kept pulling myself up on the railing to see if I could get in the background.
so was that you two guys who did that asshat deal on the cowboys mannequin?
ill admit, I was hoping for a bit there after the 12th pick and before the cards announced their pick that Reddick would be there for the eagles.
Lol at Goodell getting booed after thanking the fans
there goes king
Kevin King
watch this run on corners and howie stuck with having to take a rb
seattle wanted king....salt mine right now
eagles gonna end up with teez tabor and when it happens im OUT forever
King was the most intriguing Prospect in the draft to me. Was kind of hoping thy would get him.
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 28, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
King was the most intriguing Prospect in the draft to me. Was kind of hoping thy would get him.
good things dont happen to them and definitely smart things dont
if you are a rb fan things are looking good....they should be able to get one of cook mixon or kamara but how do you explain going two rounds without a corner
if dalvin cook is there and they dont take him then blow up the franchise
what they will do is take like the 3rd best corner on the board
Dalvin please
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 07:32:19 PM
if you are a rb fan things are looking good....they should be able to get one of cook mixon or kamara but how do you explain going two rounds without a corner
I was just about to post this. On the one hand I'd be thrilled with any of those RBs, on the other hand their starting CBs are Jalen Mills and Patrick Robinson which is a downgrade over the slop they threw out there last year.
Want them to reach and take a corner here who doesn't warrant a high second pick?
Minnesota is about to make up for that Bradford robbery by stealing Cook here
Watch.
I know it's gonna happen. I'm gonna be sick
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 07:51:21 PM
Want them to reach and take a corner here who doesn't warrant a high second pick?
No I wanted them to trade up for the elite CB in the 1st round. Then they could do whatever the farg they wanted with the rest of their draft. Now they're in a spot where they HAVE to take a CB.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
Minnesota is about to make up for that Bradford robbery by stealing Cook here
Still happy with this mess?
Everybody dies.
Jesus Christ
Someone please check on Romey
what a debacle
farging alvin kamara here dont reach for a corner now cause you got ass raped...sidney jones or kamara
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
Minnesota is about to make up for that Bradford robbery by stealing Cook here
Still happy with this mess?
Get back to me in eight months.
Instead of Lattimore and Cook they're going to wind up with Barnett, some reach at CB, and a bunch of crap that won't make the roster. It's a rinse and repeat of previous drafts.
Birds are now on the clock.
the next 7 corners are basically the same other than sidney jones if you arent worried about the achillies
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Instead of Lattimore and Cook they're going to wind up with Barnett, some reach at CB, and a bunch of crap that won't make the roster. It's a rinse and repeat of previous drafts.
Birds are now on the clock.
In what world would it have been possible to get both? You don't trade up twice. And they probably would've given up this pick to get Lattimore.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Instead of Lattimore and Cook they're going to wind up with Barnett, some reach at CB, and a bunch of crap that won't make the roster. It's a rinse and repeat of previous drafts.
Birds are now on the clock.
In what world would it have been possible to get both? You don't trade up twice. And they probably would've given up this pick to get Lattimore.
Forget it...he's rolling
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2017, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: SD on April 28, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Instead of Lattimore and Cook they're going to wind up with Barnett, some reach at CB, and a bunch of crap that won't make the roster. It's a rinse and repeat of previous drafts.
Birds are now on the clock.
In what world would it have been possible to get both? You don't trade up twice. And they probably would've given up this pick to get Lattimore.
They could have given their 3rd and maybe a later pick to move up 5 spots in the 1st. They also have two extra 4ths, so they could have given one of them up to move up into the 2nd.
USA USA USA USA
Wooooow. Both like and hate it
thanks for your husband dying....you get to announce the SECOND round pick
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 08:09:25 PM
thanks for your husband dying....you get to announce the SECOND round pick
thought it would have been cool if the kid announced the pick
Quote from: MDS on April 25, 2017, 08:24:46 PM
its not a shot...its a no brainer move
lil guy all IN
Give me Kamara in the third now
i keep dvr'ing back to that eagle chant
goosebumps all night long
That was pretty sweet
And I like Kamara's game
Who the farg did Chicago pick?!?
Forgot they traded back in the 3rd to pick up Jernigan.
Use one of the 4ths and move up
lol kamara in the late 3rd
j you are something
why are they showing this....farging pos
is espn showing the video? im on nfln
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 08:33:42 PM
is espn showing the video? im on nfln
yup
i was just saying to jon nfln ddidnt
so many neanderthal callers on 975 are gonna be MAD
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 08:35:17 PM
so many neanderthal callers on 975 are gonna be MAD
sd wanted to trade a 4 and next years 1 to move up for mixy
Gorgeous right cross.
Hate Anderson going to Wash
Damn
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
why are they showing this....farging pos
Yeah, had to scramble to keep my 9 year old from seeing that.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Hate Anderson going to Wash
Damn
would be less painful if your team hadnt let allen get to them in the first round
Quote from: Geowhizzer on April 28, 2017, 08:37:15 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
why are they showing this....farging pos
Yeah, had to scramble to keep my 9 year old from seeing that.
Why? Desensitize them at a young age I say.
kamara still on the board!
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Hate Anderson going to Wash
Damn
would be less painful if your team hadnt let allen get to them in the first round
Well yeah but I'll trust the fact he slipped bc his shoulders are ceramic
Great pick by Denver
Not a Kizer fan. zesty QB trend continues for Cleveland
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
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Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
Hate Anderson going to Wash
Damn
would be less painful if your team hadnt let allen get to them in the first round
Well yeah but I'll trust the fact he slipped bc his shoulders are ceramic
everything fell the birds way didnt it?
Not really
And I'm not biting on your salty troll bait
damn there goes igy's boy
raekwon!!
this time for the uninvited.....go head and rhyme to it....big stillupfront's mom mics is gettin fired....morphine chicks be burnin like chlorine
stillupfront's moms recognize from here to baltimore to fort greene
Love the Raekwon pick there
where MY man j at
kamara still there!
wissahickon high shoutout on nfln
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 09:09:05 PM
where MY man j at
kamara still there!
Setting up nicely
I like Pumphrey a lot too
Drew Pearson needs to get got
some wrestling shtein goin on here
Yeah that was pretty funny
Good shtein talking
Back to RBs...Perine is good too
Temple Owl to Buffalo
j stop pretending you care
Care about what?
a temple bull getting picked...you aint about that life
stick to cheerleading from houston, stoop kid
saints steal another eagle
Odd pick for the Saints, they now have AP, Ingram, and Kamara. They have a historically bad defense, taking another RB makes no sense.
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 09:39:06 PM
a temple bull getting picked...you aint about that life
stick to cheerleading from houston, stoop kid
Hitting the Mich Ultra hard tonight I see
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
Jerry Attachou was a guy I wanted on the Eagles bad
Jordan Willis is a really good player
anybody not good?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
not even close...and if he was then they need to get all new board makers
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 10:08:03 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
not even close...and if he was then they need to get all new board makers
Ok who was their best on the board at that pick and why didn't they pick him?
I'm lol'ing thinking about your look test reaction to Anzalone
Btw my next want is Donta Foreman
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
not even close...and if he was then they need to get all new board makers
Ok who was their best on the board at that pick and why didn't they pick him?
I'm lol'ing thinking about your look test reaction to Anzalone
allen and oj howard for starters
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 10:17:03 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
not even close...and if he was then they need to get all new board makers
Ok who was their best on the board at that pick and why didn't they pick him?
I'm lol'ing thinking about your look test reaction to Anzalone
allen and oj howard for starters
Allen...why didn't they take him? If he was the best?
Other than Humphrey love what Ravens are doing
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
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Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
AD is there for three months and ingram sucks
perfect example of taking by far the best player on the board
eagles could learn from this
Derek Barnett wasn't the best on their board?
not even close...and if he was then they need to get all new board makers
Ok who was their best on the board at that pick and why didn't they pick him?
I'm lol'ing thinking about your look test reaction to Anzalone
allen and oj howard for starters
Allen...why didn't they take him? If he was the best?
wtf does this even mean
If Allen was the best on their board like you said why didn't they draft him? I didn't ask in French.
Tankersly would be a nice pick too
And I want Henderson from LaTech
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
If Allen was the best on their board like you said why didn't they draft him?
this is a serious question?
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
If Allen was the best on their board like you said why didn't they draft him?
lol...what?
farg there goes Henderson
You guys really this dense?
Havas says no shot Barnett was the top by on the board
Says Allen or Howard was
I want to know, from Havas, why they didn't select them then.
This isn't hard.
because they are farging incompetent morons
or they mistakenly went for need
or fill in the blank
you realize what you are doing is basically saying the eagles are perfect and would never mess up a draft pick
No of course not. They farg up. Hell they may have farged up with Barnett. He's not a bad player though.
lol Giants
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
Btw my next want is Donta Foreman
I'll stop asking now
Everyone is always gone
he couldnt be a worse fit for the eagles anyway
tarik cohen is who you want as a rb if thats where you want them to go...hes not a tailback more like a poor mans mccafrey but he can be dynamic
i want dede westbrook here
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 28, 2017, 10:59:51 PM
tarik cohen is who you want as a rb if thats where you want them to go...hes not a tailback more like a poor mans mccafrey but he can be dynamic
i want dede westbrook here
I'd be cool with Dede
Tankersly also
Quote from: MDS on April 28, 2017, 10:58:37 PM
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They farg up.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:46:09 PM
Hell they may have farged up with Barnett.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:46:09 PM
He's not a bad player though.
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 28, 2017, 10:46:09 PMlol Giants
j i love you but you are all over the place
Thank you for the love
Jonnu Smith is good
Tenny has loaded up for Mariota
Awesome for James Connor
wth new orleans has one pick today
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2017, 12:15:08 PM
wth new orleans has one pick today
They still had 7 picks though. I wouldn't mind if the Eagles picked 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 6.
washington is absolutely destroying the draft
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 29, 2017, 12:31:51 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 29, 2017, 12:15:08 PM
wth new orleans has one pick today
They still had 7 picks though. I wouldn't mind if the Eagles picked 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 6.
yes the more high picks you have the better is how it works
but as a fan who watches the whole draft id be furious if my team only had one pick today
Yep I farging hate seeing them do well
Want to jump outta this plane right now
i know they got barnett but carl lawson is such a no brainer if hes there
Dede Westbrook got kicked out of his combine interview? How much of an icehole does one have to be to accomplish this?
wow the raiders announced their pick from las vegas
And I just landed there
Pump!!! Love that dude
hes ok but i dont understand trading up for him....hes weird in that hes a small back but not fast and doesnt have great hands
players drafted so far
temple 3
bucknell 1
villanova 1
penn st 1
Everyone they drafted this year has a pedigree at least. I still wouldn't have taken Barnett but it hasn't been a disaster of a draft.
they still have two more picks today but by my up to moment count the eagles i believe have taken exactly three OL in the last five years
Sounds like Philly has had a pretty solid draft overall. It's not easy to nail every pick but I think your front office has done a decent job.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
Everyone they drafted this year has a pedigree at least. I still wouldn't have taken Barnett but it hasn't been a disaster of a draft.
This is why I'm fine with the Barnett pick. I would have liked them to get a better value, maybe trade back 3 or 4 spots and still get him, but he went where he should. I agree with the pedigree and that he has been consistently good doing the same thing at the same position. He doesn't have a fantastic ceiling like the guys with one great breakout season, but when they have so many holes and have drafted so badly in the first couple of rounds recently, I'd rather have a high floor with good pedigree and body of work than a great ceiling risk/reward guy.
from a scouting report on the eagles last pick...did they draft patton oswalt
QuoteBody consists of stubby legs, short arms and a very soft middle with excess weight.
Sounds more like Archie Bunker
Sorry Rome
QuoteThe Eagles attempted to trade up for Cook in the second round, an NFL source said. But, for whatever reason, they didn't pull off the exchange. [...] It was unclear where exactly the Eagles had tried to jump for Cook - who some draft analysts expected to go in the first round - and if they had decided the price was too steep. But they would have needed to hurdle at least three spots if they wanted to block the Vikings, who traded up seven slots for the productive tailback.
My buddy told me the Dallas reporters said that Pumphrey was their target at 133
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/20871/eagles-had-eyes-for-dalvin-cook-but-vikings-jumped-them
went down Friday ... took my lil guy and niece. had a bunch of fun. got there just in time to take some of it in before trotter came out for pics. got right in line and and only had 10 people ahead of us. trotter loved that my lil guy knew he was the axe man.
I rolled out right after the eagled took jones. all in all, I think city did itself proud on this one.
pete prisco
Philadelphia Eagles
I really like the choice of pass rusher Derek Barnett in the first round. He might be the best pass rusher in this class. They took a risk with Washington corner Sidney Jones in the second, but it could be a big-time payoff if he comes off a torn Achilles tendon healthy. They added some young weapons for Carson Wentz in the later rounds. Fifth-round receiver Shelton Gibson can fly.
Grade: B+
mel kiper
Defensive tackle Fletcher Cox led the Eagles in sacks last season with 6.5, and there was a clear directive to get an edge rusher for defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz in the first two days of the draft. Derek Barnett fits that bill as the first-rounder Philly got in the Sam Bradford trade with Minnesota. Barnett, who had 33.0 career sacks at Tennessee, will join the rotation with Brandon Graham, Vinny Curry and free-agent signing Chris Long.
Philadelphia had issues in the secondary last season, too, and one of the best things for a porous pass defense is a stellar pass rush. The Eagles took a step toward that on Day 1, then boosted the back end on Day 2. Sidney Jones could be a steal if he recovers fully from the torn Achilles he suffered at his pro day in March. Though he's optimistic about returning in 2017, he might be better served by a redshirt year. If healthy, he's a top-15 talent with good ball skills and the ability to handle big wideouts. Rasul Douglas was a ball hawk in 2016 with eight interceptions, but he doesn't have high-end speed (4.59 40).
Mack Hollins is a special-teams demon and former walk-on with some big-play ability. Donnel Pumphrey set the FBS career rushing record with 6,405 yards and is probably a part-time back. Elijah Qualls has a load of talent and ability but inconsistent tape.
Philly needed to shore up its defense and it did that pretty well. It's not a home run class, but the Eagles got better.
todd mcshay's favorite eagle pick
Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina (pick no. 118)
In Joe Douglas' and Andy Weidl's first draft, it was very important for them to find building-block players. Their first two picks -- DE Derek Barnett and CB Sidney Jones -- fit that mold. They both have outstanding football character. Hollins, a former walk-on, also embodies the type of player the Eagles are looking for, and he was a great value. Yes, he has some durability concerns, but at 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds with big-play ability, Hollins was a late-second/early-third-round talent, and the Eagles got him at No. 118 overall. Hollins plays like an absolute maniac on special-teams coverage and will at the very least be a good red zone threat.
washington post
hiladelphia Eagles
Analysis: Some draft analysts question the athleticism of first-round DE Derek Barnett. But he was an extremely productive pass rusher in college and the Eagles must hope that translates to the NFL ranks. Second-round CB Sidney Jones suffered a torn Achilles' tendon at his pro day and it's not clear when he'll be able to play. Perhaps in part because of that, Philadelphia went with another cornerback in the third round, Rasul Douglas. Getting DT Elijah Qualls in the sixth round was an excellent value. Grade: B-
usa today
Draft picks: Derek Barnett (No. 14 overall), Sidney Jones (No. 43 overall), Rasul Douglas (No. 99 overall), Mack Hollins (No. 118 overall), Donnel Pumphrey (No. 132 overall), Shelton Gibson (No. 166 overall), Nathan Gerry (No. 184 overall), Elijah Qualls (No. 214 overall)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: B+
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A-
The skinny: Even though the Eagles gave up their 2017 first-rounder for quarterback Carson Wentz, they were a beneficiary of Minnesota's need for a quarterback, as they got back into the first round by trading Sam Bradford last year.
The way Wentz played this year showed they didn't really miss Bradford. They got the second-best pure edge rusher in the draft in Barnett at No. 14.
In the second round, Philly got a first-round value in Sidney Jones, who might have to half-redshirt the year as he recovers from injury but will be a good corner down the road. Rasul Douglas is another long corner who will be on the field right away.
Mack Hollins is very good downfield receiver, and a very good special-teamer as well. That's the prototypical fourth-round pick.
He and Shelton Gibson (fifth round) add receiver depth. Pumphrey's electric with the ball, not unlike veteran Darren Sproles (though not as thick and powerful). Elijah Qualls was a fine selection in the seventh round.
My take: It's interesting to see Reuter point out Mack Hollins' ability as a "very good special-teamer." That seems to be a theme with that selection, which further validates the pick given Philadelphia's interest in always focusing on special teams. It's a forgotten side of the ball in today's NFL.
sports illustrated
On the "needs" list for Philly headed into Thursday were a pass rusher and cornerback. Check and check. The Eagles nabbed DE Derek Barnett in Round 1, a safe and steady option off the edge, then doubled down on Day 2 with CB Sidney Jones (who's rehabbing an Achilles tear) and Rasul Douglas. If Jones gets back to 100% at any point, he has Pro Bowl potential. The offensive run in Rounds 4 and 5 was intriguing. WRs Mack Hollins and Shelton Gibson both can stretch the field, which QB Carson Wentz would like to do more; RB Donnell Pumphrey essentially could be Darren Sproles 2.0.
Grade - B+
Chad Reuter, NFL.com
"Even though the Eagles gave up their 2017 first-rounder for quarterback Carson Wentz, they were a beneficiary of Minnesota's need for a quarterback, as they got back into the first round by trading Sam Bradford last year. The way Wentz played this year showed they didn't really miss Bradford. They got the second-best pure edge rusher in the draft in Barnett at No. 14. In the second round, Philly got a first-round value in Sidney Jones, who might have to half-redshirt the year as he recovers from injury but will be a good corner down the road. Rasul Douglas is another long corner who will be on the field right away.
Mack Hollins is very good downfield receiver, and a very good special-teamer as well. That's the prototypical fourth-round pick. He and Shelton Gibson (fifth round) add receiver depth. Pumphrey's electric with the ball, not unlike veteran Darren Sproles (though not as thick and powerful). Elijah Qualls was a fine selection in the (sixth) round."
PFF
"Barnett was one of the nation's most productive players over the last three seasons, finishing among the top three edge defenders in overall grade in both 2015 and 2016. He's stout against the run and he's continued to improve as a pass-rusher ... While Barnett is not a classic athlete on the edge, he knows how to beat blocks and he has enough to burst to challenge the edge at the next level.
"While 2017 may be a 'redshirt year' for injured Jones, it's another first-round talent added to the Eagles' defense. Jones has the size and movement skills to play press man coverage and he allowed a passer rating of only 42.1 when targeted last season. The Eagles went back to cornerback with Douglas in the third as the 6-2 corner brings a solid zone defender with press man coverage potential. Douglas breaks on the ball well and he was one of the best playmakers in the class last season with 10 pass breakups and eight interceptions on 93 targets.
"Hollins has the game speed to stretch the field, as evidenced by his 20.6 yards per reception and 20 touchdowns on only 81 career receptions at North Carolina. He has the long strides that get on cornerbacks in a hurry and he could add an immediate deep threat to the Eagles' offense. Pumphrey was a record-setting back at San Diego State and despite his size, he broke through first contact on 39.6 percent of his rushes, the fourth-best mark in the draft class. Gibson adds another potential deep threat as he caught 58.6 percent of his deep targets, fourth best in the draft class. Gerry has starting potential at safety (*Note that the Eagles will use him as a linebacker) as he ranked second in the nation in both 2014 and 2016 with coverage grades of 90.1 and 90.7. Qualls used his quickness to rank 17th in the draft class with a pass-rush productivity of 8.8."
fox sports
Dieter Kurtenbach, FOX Sports
"The Derek Barnett pick was solid, if not spectacular - he'll help right away. Sidney Jones won't, but he has first-round talent. Rasul Douglas is a boom-or-bust player, but I like him in that system, and Mack Hollins has a chance to be special. Donnel Pumphrey projects as Darren Sproles' replacement, and Shelton Gibson and Elijah Qualls are great third-day values."
I still think the Eagles should have gotten more value out of 14 than Barnett. I mean if you're willing to roll the dice with Jones in the second, why not take Conley instead of Barnett? Is Lurie really so petrified of bad optics that he passed on someone who hadn't even been questioned much less charged? Howard is a great tight end. He would have been a more inspired option there. So would Jonathan Allen.
I don't hate the safe pick. I'm sure Barnett is worthy of it. I just think if you're going to dare to be great you don't play it safe with someone like him.
I really like the rest of the draft picks. I would have liked Conley in the first followed by Cook but Jones is more than an adequate alternative there.
Solid B for me.
I'd have preferred Cook as well but given who was there when they picked, if they weren't trading up, I was happy with Jones.
barnett was the classic need over BPA...the eagles went need...i personally dont think they are good enough yet to go with a need pick in the first round but you obviously cant argue that they didnt need a pass rusher...ultimately i think this draft will be judged by sidney jones and if he can ever be a number 1 corner after the injury
until then i think a B is probably right
Can't remember another draft where the BPA concept was so completely abandoned. The picking for need was blatant. Every player seemed drafted around the right spot or was a slight reach, which doesn't mean that any of them are necessarily bad picks. Overall it was very conventional.
Aside from a Jones you mean. He was the BPA when the Eagles picked at 14. He just happened to be injured.
When Jones went down, Mayock had him ahead of Latimore as the #1 CB. Unless you like Allen yeah, Jones BPA.
oj howard allen and reuben foster all easily better than jones
I would have done backflips if the Eagles drafted Foster. He's a monster.
I really like Howard but TE is a dicey proposition with the Eagles. I'm not sure they would have used him properly so it's good for him that he went elsewhere. Allen's injury history scared me a bit more than Jones's because of its chronic nature. I was screaming at the television for the Birds to grab him up, though.
Barnett is like a meal of boiled chicken, brown rice and peas to me. Probably better for you in the long end but with Lobster or a ribeye on the menu...
If Jones wasn't injured, he would have been BPA when the Eagles took him. Also, if Barnett really was as good as Reggie White, he would have been BPA when the Eagles took him, too.
Here in the real world, Jones actually was injured and it may end up seriously impacting his career. I like the pick, love the high ceiling, but the risk is real.
howard foster and allen are all top 5 players in that draft and arguably top 3...a healthy jones was competing for best corner...he would not have been near BPA at 14 with the way it fell
Jones was picked in rd2. Not 14. BPA there =\= BPA at 14.
allen and howard i get....but im not drafting foster at 14
non-mike linebackers dont play enough to warrant it and you got a pretty good one now
Quote from: MDS on May 01, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
non-mike linebackers dont play enough to warrant it and you got a pretty good one now
this makes zero sense he's a classic MLB and is a 100% three down guy at will or in the middle
he would play more snaps at lb than Barnett would at DE next year
yea if hes your mike, sure
but again jordan hicks is pretty good. i dont get trading him in for someone else, especially when that someone else is an unknown.
allen and howard are the shoulda woulda couldas to follow
hicks or foster could play the weak side or really strong....they are both sideline to sideline backers ....would be an amazing thing to have to decide and neither would ever come off the field
Eagles and Niners were the top spenders in UDFA
They've done this frequently. Good to see them continue to be aggressive there
Two teams with a lot of holes to fill.
money doesn't mean shtein in UDFA anyway
a keen front office and good coaching does
this ain't international FA in baseball
Foster is ten times the player Jordan Hicks is.
Jesus I can't even believe the conversations in here sometimes.
foster hasnt played one second in the nfl...roughly 50% of 1st round picks are busts...but im sure hes awesome!!
he may well be a good player, i dont farging know, but jordan hicks IS a very good player.
sure hicks is a nice player and im not hating on Barnett, but you still draft foster.
Foster literally dominated at the pinnacle of college football. The Eagles took a nice, safe player who didn't talk mean to someone at the combine.
Can't imagine why this team never wins Super Bowls.
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2017, 10:30:41 AM
Foster literally dominated at the pinnacle of college football. The Eagles took a nice, safe player who didn't talk mean to someone at the combine.
Can't imagine why this team never wins Super Bowls.
he would give this defense a nasty shot in the arm.
i agree you cant say foster is better than hicks until he plays int he pros but that has nothing to do with the BPA discussion as far as this draft went
He's suggesting you don't take Foster because you already have Hicks.
That's like saying you don't buy a Ferrari because you already have a Honda Accord.
Foster is going to be a monster in the NFL. He just is. The Eagles pass on guys like him all the time because they're stupid, stubborn, incompetent and clueless about what it takes to win championships.
But hey, character counts! Grinder!! MOTORZZZ!
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2017, 10:52:58 AM
Foster is going to be a monster in the NFL. He just is.
lol. its an undisputed FACT. let me go to canton and get a spot for his hall of fame speech.
youre really underrating hicks.
Quote from: Rome on May 02, 2017, 10:52:58 AM
He's suggesting you don't take Foster because you already have Hicks.
this part is just silly....foster could play any of the linebacker positions...in fact he played wil at alabama his first two years...but im also not prepared to say he will be better than a guy who is near an all pro level in the actual nfl
mcshay doesnt do grades but he released his top 6 favorite draft classes....eagles were 2
2. Philadelphia Eagles
It was the first draft for Joe Douglas and Andy Weidl in Philadelphia, and they did a nice job of finding players with great toughness and character. Derek Barnett, the team's first-round pick, is the most natural pass-rusher in this class, and he comes with elite intangibles. The Eagles addressed their biggest need -- cornerback -- with the next two picks. Sidney Jones was the No. 2 cornerback on our board and a first-round talent before he tore his Achilles at Washington's pro day. If he returns to full health, Philly got a steal in the second round. Rasul Douglas has the length and ball skills to be an upgrade at corner. I love the pick of WR Mack Hollins in the fourth; it was great value, and he will instantly help the Eagles on kick/punt coverage and in the red zone. Finally, the Eagles got QB Carson Wentz some good underneath weapons later: RB Donnel Pumphrey and WR Shelton Gibson. This is a really solid class all around.
Elite intangibles? Lol.
Why do Eagles never have elite tangibles?
Philadelphia is too cold for growing tangibles.
QBE: Orange you glad you asked that question?
Quote from: General_Failure on May 02, 2017, 01:44:39 PM
Philadelphia is too cold for growing tangibles.
so global warming is a hoax after all.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/2018-NFL-Draft-Dallas-Philadelphia-Adam-Schefter.html?utm_campaign=Philly.com+Sports+Twitter+Account&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=social&cid=Philly.com+Sports+Twitter+Account
"What a Cowboys draft would be missing, however, is the Rocky ambiance, and I'm not talking about the movie or the statue," LeBreton wrote. "The Philadelphia attitude, the fans' passion for their Eagles, would be impossible for a Cowboys crowd to match."
Damn right.
That's what I tell people when they mock the whole Rocky thing. Just had the discussion this week at the bar. It's a mentality.
kipers redraft grade..
Philadelphia Eagles
Post-draft grade: B+
Here's what I wrote to close out the Eagles' grade last year: "It's not a home run class, but the Eagles got better."
Well, yeah. Did anyone last April think that these Eagles could win Super Bowl LII? But they made some really smart free-agent signings and trades, their sophomore quarterback took a huge leap (and their backup starred in clutch time) and the rookie class produced a few guys who helped push them over the line.
Pass-rusher Derek Barnett had six total sacks (one in the playoffs), cornerback Rasul Douglas chipped in with two interceptions and seven pass breakups, and wide receiver Mack Hollins added 16 catches, including one for a touchdown, and will likely play a much bigger role in 2018. Undrafted running back Corey Clement played his way onto the field and had six regular-season touchdowns. We also have to count kicker Jake Elliott, the fifth-round pick by the Bengals who was cut and picked up by Philadelphia. He only went on to make some clutch kicks in the Super Bowl (and miss an extra point, to be fair).
This is a solid class, and it could be in the A territory at this time next year if cornerback Sidney Jones sees more playing time after sitting out most of 2017 with an Achilles injury.
New grade: B+
Two days before the draft and we don't even have a thread where we all pretend to know who the Eagles will/should draft. What a time to be alive.
Who are you?
Quote from: rjs246 on April 24, 2018, 08:01:03 AM
Two days before the draft and we don't even have a thread where we all pretend to know who the Eagles will/should draft. What a time to be alive.
they are either going to have one pick over the first two days (at friggin midnight on thursday no less) or no picks on the first day...either way zzzzzzz.....at least they got a sb out of it tho
not caring about the draft means the eagles did something good so I am fine with never caring about the draft again.
I just wanna see eric allen troll the crowd.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 24, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
not caring about the draft means the eagles did something good so I am fine with never caring about the draft again.
I have been basically unplugged from the draft stuff because of the SB...I would like if they traded back or if they stayed put and took Sony Michele I'm cool with that too.
The draft is a crapshoot in the best of years; the fact that they won the super bowl and don't have a lot of picks means I care less than usual. It's basically like they're taking Sidney Jones early in the first round this year ;-).
I don't like the idea of being pickless in rounds 2 and 3, so I'm hoping for a trade-down. Unless the brain trust sees somebody they just have to get at 32, then by all means fire away. They have totally earned my trust.
I used to pause and look at draft stuff on TV (or on the web), trying to figure out what the Eagles are going to do. But like with so many other things, this championship means not having to worry about all the chaos at the top 2/3 of the draft...and I ok with that.
i cant believe how lucky the teams are in this years draft who pick from like 5 to 12...theres so many players in there that in any other draft would go top 5 to top 3 or even number one but with all these farging qb's they are sliding down
Another shockwave from the Wentz/Goff draft. Franchise Quarterbacks are important but Nick Foles beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. They're not "all important."
Teams passing on Chubb will rue the day they pass on him. He's a certified monster. I just hope he doesn't land with the Giants.
Quote from: Rome on April 24, 2018, 03:48:58 PM...Chubb ... [is] a certified monster. I just hope he doesn't land with the Giants.
Let them take a QB. I don't know much about this year's draft, and less about college football, but this dude has broken through the fog enough for me to agree. I hope the Eagles don't have to face him twice a year.
So, is there a working theory on how the Browns will farg this draft up? Or is everyone letting the Browns be the Browns?
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
So, is there a working theory on how the Browns will farg this draft up? Or is everyone letting the Browns be the Browns?
Pretty simple. If they come out of the top 4 with a bust QB and another player who doesnt project to be a star for the next decade, they farged up.
How much must they hate to be in this position again?
They've proved to NEVER get it right. Poor team. How can you strike out so many times? They're so snake bitten, that even when they were too afraid to pull the trigger, they traded away the Wentz pick.
Hope their luck changes. It would suck for it to be another bust if they get this wrong.
farg them bitches. When Hue Jackson ran his mouth about Wentz after the ginger proved him wrong, that was the final nail in their coffin as far as I'm concerned. They've had how many chances to get it right? I mean, Christ... even a busted clock is right twice a day.
It sounded like the GM overrode Hue Jackson. Thank god.
Paul DePodesta...the icehole that ran the Dodgers for a while...he's a joke.
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
farg them bitches. When Hue Jackson ran his mouth about Wentz after the ginger proved him wrong, that was the final nail in their coffin as far as I'm concerned.
you are thinking about paul depodesta who said wentz wasnt a top 20 prospect....hue absolutely loved him and wanted him even over goff
I saw a mock today that showed them picking Darnold, then Chubb...and then trading up to the 32 spot and grabbing Guice. If they could pull that off (which I doubt), they'd be in pretty good shape. But then again...it's Cleveland.
I can't imagine that Hue has a lot of input into these picks.
Worst case scenario for the Browns would probably be taking Mayfield or Allen #1 (and the pick subsequently busting), then taking Barkley #4 (and him being pretty good for the next 4 years but ultimately not an important enough role to be a difference maker). Of course if Mayfield plays like vet Drew Brees right off the bat, they're fine.
Taking a can't miss stud like Chubb or Nelson #4 would be amazing insurance for them if they want to chase a boom-or-bust QB.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 26, 2018, 02:25:29 PM
Quote from: Rome on April 26, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
farg them bitches. When Hue Jackson ran his mouth about Wentz after the ginger proved him wrong, that was the final nail in their coffin as far as I'm concerned.
you are thinking about paul depodesta who said wentz wasnt a top 20 prospect....hue absolutely loved him and wanted him even over goff
This is what he said verbatim:
Quote"No, we haven't (second-guessed ourselves),'' Jackson said. "That's one thing I can tell you for sure has not happened. He had a good game, a great game if you guys want to term it that, and I respect that. He's a fine young man and they have good coaches and a good organization, and he is going to do well for them, but that was one game.
"He played well. Like I said, we'll look back and see where he is over a period of time, but the Browns have to get better. That's what we have to do. We have to play better, and I think we all understand that."
He's either lying or being a company man there. Whatever the case, farg Cleveland.
PS: Gimme LeBron while you're at it, bitches. LOL
Quote from: hbionic on April 26, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
It sounded like the GM overrode Hue Jackson. Thank god.
Paul DePodesta...the icehole that ran the Dodgers for a while...he's a joke.
The character played by Jonah Hill in Moneyball is based on him too.
what picks do the eagles have
its been what everyone has been saying for weeks now but the way its played out has made it even more the ultimate trade back spot
no one obvious has dropped
if they dont trade back then id go connor williams
Trade to Ravens
just looked and thats a big drop for the birds....should be a decent haul
field yates:
Eagles get: Picks 52, 125 and a 2019 second round pick.
Ravens get: Pick 32 and 132.
Rumored trade:
Ravens trade the No. 52, No. 125 and a 2019 second rounder to the #Eagles for the No. 32 pick
32 and 132 for 52, 125, and next year's second rounder. Didn't increase their number of picks, but it works for me.
i like this trade
would you rather have an extra 3rd or 4th this year or a 2nd next year? possibly a high 2nd. ravens have bottom out potential.
dropped 13 spots this year to get a 2nd next year....not bad
Howie: "You keeping Lamar Jackson away from the Giants, Ozzie? Alright, we're straight."
biggest haul of the night is that watching the draft will be much more entertaining tomorrow
I would have been happy moving back into the 2nd and nabbing an extra 4th. Then packaging two 4ths and moving up into the 3rd. At that point in this years draft they'd only be missinghe last pick in the 1st round. That they were able to get a future 2nd from a team who will probably be bottom 15 is a coup. The Eagles are SB contenders, so the draft is about replenishment for when F/A's move on than it is filling needs. The Eagles don't have any glaring holes, they have lack of depth and guys that are going to bounce once their deal is up. I had zero interest in Sony Michel with Ajayi and Clement on the team. Unless there's some generational talent I wouldn't touch a RB anywhere in the 1st round. I'm open to them drafting for any position other than QB. My wish is for an offensive lineman because they haven't drafted that position for years...preferably a versatile T/G combo. It's nice they can actually go for BPA. What would be amazing is if another teams QB gets injured and they ship a 1st to the birds for a 1st. They'd go into next season with two 1's and two 2's.
Getting Sidney Jones back this season is essentially drafting a top 15 pick. I watched an interview with Joe Douglas last week, he said Jones would be one of the top CBs coming off the board this season, definite top 15 pick. He seemed fairly confident he's back to 100%.
I'm almost ashamed that I stayed up to watch that, but it's exactly what I expected.
Just wait until Howie trades down again out of the 2nd.
"Tonight's Eagles Draft is brought to you by Monster and 5 Hour Energy."
11pm hit and I just couldn't stay up anymore. Too many early days and late nights for kids sports recently.
So I recorded and watched it while getting ready this morning. This year the draft just felt... anticlimactic.
You all care.
I hate the fact that three networks cover this shtein now. It was near perfection on ESPN about 15 years ago. Saturday morning I'd be up at dawn getting ready for a draft day party. The house would be clean, the grill would be clean, the coolers would be full of beer and there'd be the severed parts of about a dozen dead animals marinating in the fridge. By 11:30 my home boys and girls would start arriving and by 3:00 there'd be 40 or 50 people playing beer pong or suicide croquet out in the yard and around the house. shtein was perfect and then the NFL had to come along and farg it all up.
In short, farg you Goodell and thanks for having to bleed every last penny out of us as fans by turning the draft into an embarrassing fiasco.
/End Rant
rome - you're really starting to sound like the old guy on the street that screams at kids for walking on his lawn.
I hear ya, Rome. We used to do a similar thing, but maybe with a slightly smaller crew. The draftniks would be huddled in front of the TV, throwing down bets on who the next draft pick would be, and the less intense of us would be eating, drinking, and enjoying the spring weather in the backyard until the Eagles selection rolled around. We really looked forward to that Saturday every year.
Quote from: smeags on April 27, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
rome - you're really starting to sound like the old guy on the street that screams at kids for walking on his lawn.
id say its the opposite
dook wants to have a black out fest for the draft
What has happened to the draft is probably my most hated of all the Goodell innovations. It used to be a massive party, now I really don't give a farg anymore and would just as well see the list of names unceremoniously posted on nfl.com. It was a direct assault on hardcore NFL fans in order to cash in on Thursday night ratings.
I feel like the draft now is just an excuse to generate months of meaningless, speculative media content, whereas it used to be an excuse for beer and red meat.
the commercialization of middle class white men is a real downfall on this great country
Once I got the damn nfl.com draft page to load, not only did it have an autoplaying stream of draft coverage, but it had a little ad popup video at the bottom playing the exact same thing.
Quote from: smeags on April 27, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
rome - you're really starting to sound like the old guy on the street that screams at kids for walking on his lawn.
I've sounded like this since I was about 13.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 27, 2018, 11:10:18 AM
Quote from: smeags on April 27, 2018, 10:54:59 AM
rome - you're really starting to sound like the old guy on the street that screams at kids for walking on his lawn.
id say its the opposite
dook wants to have a black out fest for the draft
1 million percent True.
My birthday always falls on the draft weekend.
sounds like some major white people issues there,romey.
I hope you get through it ok. ;)
derrius guice is just waiting for the birds
connor williams still there as well
either would be a great pick
About time they draft a unicyclist.
HA! they farged Dallas!
Akers went full HAM on Dallas.
Quote from: phattymatty on April 27, 2018, 08:22:50 PM
About time they draft a unicyclist.
Let the good times roll.
The Eagles just used their first pick to troll Dallas...
are him and wentz gonna beef
Would have had no problem birds drafting Connor Williams.
Wonder if it's a coincidence that Witten retires and eagles trade up 3 spots to jump Dallas and take a TE.
Quote from: MDS on April 27, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
are him and wentz gonna beef
"My gun rack's bigger than yours"
Can't have enough white MA holy rollers on the squad.
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2018, 08:25:32 PM
Would have had no problem birds drafting Connor Williams.
yeah i probably would have taken him....good pick by dallas....that said i know very little about the TE
I like the pick, like the upside of Goedert. Thought they might go Reid but Goedert would be one of the 3 or 4 likely picks.
Akers looked like Steve Carell in The Office and sounded just like him.
Loved Akers presentation, but he should have also said I'm looking at you Drew Pearson.
Was mocked in a lot of drafts before eagles first round pick. Makes sense. Predraft comps were to Ertz.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2018, 08:32:23 PM
Was mocked in a lot of drafts before eagles first round pick. Makes sense. Predraft comps were to Ertz.
seems more like prime celek than ertz....ertz cant block a lick and this guy is supposedly a great inline blocker
So not only did Akers go full scorched Earth on them, the Birds turn around, jump the Cowboys and take the guy they were about to select?
It just keeps getting better.
Wait til next year if they can swing a 1st rounder for Foles. 2 first rounders, 2 seconds, and likely comp picks for Allen, Harbor and Robinson.
pump your brakes homie.....they arent ever getting a one for foles...a two would even be pushing it
Trey deserves a little better than being mixed up with Clay Harbor
farg, Racists got Guice.
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2018, 08:52:04 PM
Trey deserves a little better than being mixed up with Clay Harbor
tight ends all look the same to me (insert joke)
Birds gave up pick 169 to move ahead of/for Dallas
Quote from: Don Ho on April 27, 2018, 08:59:08 PM
farg, Racists got Guice.
I was reading something this morning about him. The rumor is he had a run-in of some sort with Duce during his visit. Also - the claims he made regarding an NFL rep asking him if his Moms was a ho and if he sucked dick were fully vetted by the NFL and, in their opinion, were a total fabrication.
So, to sum it up, he's a liar and a wacko with a checkered history. In other words, he's perfect for the Racists.
Quote"We got to know Derrius quite well. He's quite the character," Gruden said.
So they drafted Big V's roommate.
So in the end, they wound up trading every pick but their 6th rounder, got their potential Celek replacement, scrapped their plan to troll Dallas with Mummer Kelce, moved on to their backup plan of trolling Dallas with David from Accounting, moved up to get a player the Patriots wanted, got a couple of project players, and resigned Sproles.
Grade: C- and who cares they finally won a superbowl.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Draft picks: South Dakota State TE Dallas Goedert (No. 49 overall), Pittsburgh CB Avonte Maddox (No. 125 overall), Florida State DE Josh Sweat (No. 130 overall), TCU OT Matt Pryor (No. 206 overall), OT Jordan Mailata (No. 233 overall).
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A
The skinny: General Manager Howie Roseman took advantage of other teams ignoring Lamar Jackson by trading out of the first round so Baltimore could select him. He grabbed the Ravens' 2019 second-round pick and moved up in the second round on Friday night to select a tight end they could have taken in the first round: Dallas Goedert. He'll be an outstanding player in the Jimmy Graham mold. The Eagles had given up their second-round pick to the Browns to get Carson Wentz two years ago and traded away their third-rounder to Buffalo, giving them just two picks in the first three rounds. The feisty and small Maddox can help replace Daryl Worley. Roseman reeled in Sweat, a first-round talent, in the fourth round, only because of medical concerns. Mailata's potential as a 6-foot-8, 350-pound offensive tackle without football experience (he's a former rugby player) was worth a flyer in the seventh round. They could have used a little more linebacker depth, but they might find it on the undrafted free agent market/quote]
QuoteThe feisty and small Maddox can help replace Daryl Worley.
Going to be tough to make up for Worley's lost production this season.
i give the eagles a B+ with a B- for the draft and an A- for the scouting and a C+ for potential. Solid B for value.Oh and an easy B- for upside.
TE seems to have potential but I wouldn't have went there - C
rest of the draft was super athletes except the one sloth lineman - B+
stoutland gonna work that Aussie - A
In joe d I trust - A+
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Mel Kiper, ESPN
It's good to be the Eagles. Coming off a Super Bowl title, they have no major needs and get to develop starters -- not try to draft plug-and-play guys. They're looking for impact depth. That's why we saw GM Howie Roseman trade out of the last pick in the first round to move down 20 spots and add an extra 2019 second-round pick (plus pick 125 in this draft). That 2019 pick is an extremely valuable one to stash away.
Now, you have to laugh at the Eagles trading up three spots to take tight end Dallas Goedert ahead of Dallas (49) with the draft in the Dallas area. And my best comp for Goedert all along was Zach Ertz, so now the Eagles have both players. Goedert is the best pass-catching and most athletic tight end in this class. Remember: Trey Burton and Brent Celek are both gone from 2018, so Goedert is going to play. Philadelphia led the league with 110 receptions by tight ends last season. If Goedert had gone late in Round 1 -- maybe to Philly! -- it wouldn't have surprised me.
The Eagles didn't have a third-round pick due to the Jordan Matthews-Ronald Darby swap with Buffalo last year, so Philly had only one pick on the first two days. Fourth-rounders Avonte Maddox (125) and Josh Sweat (130) are talented and athletic. Maddox was a four-year starter who ran a 4.39 at the combine. Sweat had 29 tackles for loss in college and had a 39.5-inch vertical jump at the combine. I moved up Matt Pryor (206) over the past few weeks after people in the league told me he was going to move to guard. And how about the Australian former rugby league player Jordan Mailata going late in the seventh round? Philly is going to try to make him an offensive tackle.
The reason this class isn't a straight "A"? Not a single running back (though they did announce the re-signing of Darren Sproles when the day ended). If that's the only bad thing I can say, the Eagles must have had a good day.
Grade: A-
Philadelphia Eagles: C
The Eagles traded out of the first round with Baltimore and then took tight end Dallas Goedert in the second. He will play a backup role to Zach Ertz as the replacement for Trey Burton. He is a nice pass-catching tight end. Fourth-round edge Josh Sweat has good pass-rush ability, but there are some injury concerns. The Eagles didn't have a lot of picks, trading a second to move up two years ago to get Carson Wentz and a third to Buffalo to get corner Ronald Darby last year.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Draft Picks:
South Dakota State TE Dallas Goedert (No. 49 overall), Pittsburgh CB Avonte Maddox (No. 125 overall), Florida State DE Josh Sweat (No. 130 overall), TCU OT Matt Pryor (No. 206 overall), OT Jordan Mailata (No. 233 overall)
The benefit of building a Super Bowl winner is there are few immediate holes to be concerned about. Philadelphia Eagles general manager Howie Roseman made the most out of his limited picks despite having just three selections in the top 130 picks. Tight end Dallas Goedert and edge-rusher Josh Sweat will be rotational players immediately and were unexpectedly available when the Eagles were on the clock.
Goedert will assume Trey Burton's old role as a versatile player, freeing Zach Ertz to star as a receiver. Sweat, who has knee injuries in his past, is an incredible athlete with upside who will assume a starting role once several of the Eagles veterans exit their prime years. But the real steal is Avonte Maddox.
The small-school cornerback is an ideal slot fit. He'll slide into the void left by Patrick Robinson, as there's no corner on the roster with the skill set to be an impactful slot defender. Watch for Maddox to establish himself as a steal early in his career with the team.
Grade: B+
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Philadelphia Eagles
2.17 – Dallas Goedert (TE – South Dakota State)
4.25 – Avonte Maddox (CB – Pittsburgh)
4.30 – Josh Sweat (EDGE – Florida State)
6.32 – Matt Pryor (OT – TCU)
7.15 – Jordan Mallata (OT – None)
Coming off winning the Super Bowl, the Eagles are a team with few holes, though they didn't exactly fill all their needs with just one pick in the first three rounds. They replaced Trey Burton with Goedert, who some considered to be the best tight end in the class. After taking the highest cornerback on their board in Maddox, who figures to fight for the nickel cornerback slot that was occupied by Patrick Robinson last year, they got a steal when they took Sweat, who if not for injury concerns, would have been a first-round pick. He dislocated his knee in high school and tore three ligaments, which will force him to come off the field at times, as well as miss practice. But when on the field, he's a force to be reckoned with, even if the Eagles didn't need an edge rusher. They never filled their inside linebacker need and didn't add anyone to the stable of wide receivers, which is a letdown. They also drafted a guy who's never played a down of football in his life. Seriously. He's a rugby player they plan on trying to make work on the offensive line.
Draft Grade: C+
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Philadelphia Eagles
Picks: TE Dallas Goedert (2); CB Avonte Maddox (4); LB Josh Sweat (4); OT Matt Pryor (6); OT Jordan Mailata (7).
Analysis: The Eagles made the smart move to bail out of the first round and pick up a 2019 second-round pick in the process. Moving one pick ahead of the Cowboys to draft tight end Dallas Goedert at No. 49 was smart; he replaces Trey Burton in the offense. Avonte Maddox is a slot cornerback who can replace Patrick Robinson, who left in free agency. There are concerns about Josh Sweat's knee, but that's why he was there in the fourth round and that's a fine gamble. The pick of mountainous Australian rugby player Jordan Mailata is a fun one. The champs did fine without much ammunition.
Grade: C+
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Philadelphia Eagles: B+ Grade
Goals Entering the 2018 NFL Draft: The Eagles must trade down because they don't pick after the first round until No. 130 overall. Then again, they barely have any significant needs, so they can focus on selecting the best player available every step of the way.
2018 NFL Draft Accomplishments: Philadelphia decided that trading down was the way to go, especially after its preferred target, Sony Michel, was snatched off the board one spot earlier. This was a wise move, as picking up extra picks was essential. The Eagles acquired two second-round choices, one of which will be in the loaded 2019 NFL Draft class.
With some extra ammo the Eagles moved ahead of the Cowboys to take athletic tight end Dallas Goedert at No. 49 overall. Philadelphia obtained a talented player to fill a need, all while stealing a player its biggest rival coveted. This was yet another example of why Howie Roseman is arguably the best general manager in the NFL.
The Eagles made some quality choices on Day 3. They began with cornerback Avonte Maddox, who was a slight bargain at No. 125 overall. Maddox will be able to cover the slot, and the Eagles needed someone like that in the wake of Patrick Robinson's departure. Five selections later, Philadelphia landed an absolute steal in defensive end Josh Sweat. The Florida State product would've been a first-round pick if it wasn't for injury concerns. He would've been a risk as a Friday pick, but getting him near the bottom of Round 4 provided incredible value.
It's no surprise that the Eagles did very well. They didn't have much to work with entering the draft, but they landed some talented players who will help in an effort to repeat as Super Bowl champions. The extra second-rounder acquired for 2019 is the cherry on top.
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Philadelphia Eagles: A-
Draft picks: TE Dallas Goedert (South Dakota State), CB Avonte Maddox (Pittsburgh), DE Josh Sweat (Florida State), OT Matt Pryor (TCU), T Jordan Mailata (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
Howie Roseman keeps adding depth where the Super Bowl 52 champions lost it, as Goedert (Trey Burton), Maddox (Patrick Robinson) and Sweat (Vinny Curry) help the Eagles reload that those positions. With Jason Peters 36 and coming off a major knee injury, Pryor is a worthy developmental tackle. Mailata, the raw rugby renegade from Down Under, was a worthy gamble for a confident team.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Draft picks: South Dakota State TE Dallas Goedert (No. 49 overall), Pittsburgh CB Avonte Maddox (No. 125 overall), Florida State DE Josh Sweat (No. 130 overall), TCU OT Matt Pryor (No. 206 overall), OT Jordan Mailata (No. 233 overall).
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A
The skinny: General Manager Howie Roseman took advantage of other teams ignoring Lamar Jackson by trading out of the first round so Baltimore could select him. He grabbed the Ravens' 2019 second-round pick and moved up in the second round on Friday night to select a tight end they could have taken in the first round: Dallas Goedert. He'll be an outstanding player in the Jimmy Graham mold. The Eagles had given up their second-round pick to the Browns to get Carson Wentz two years ago and traded away their third-rounder to Buffalo, giving them just two picks in the first three rounds. The feisty and small Maddox can help replace Daryl Worley. Roseman reeled in Sweat, a first-round talent, in the fourth round, only because of medical concerns. Mailata's potential as a 6-foot-8, 350-pound offensive tackle without football experience (he's a former rugby player) was worth a flyer in the seventh round. They could have used a little more linebacker depth, but they might find it on the undrafted free agent market.
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Philadelphia Eagles: A-
Top needs: Offensive tackle, linebacker, wide receiver
It's good to be the Eagles. Coming off a Super Bowl title, they have no major needs and get to develop starters -- not try to draft plug-and-play guys. They're looking for impact depth. That's why we saw GM Howie Roseman trade out of the last pick in the first round to move down 20 spots and add an extra 2019 second-round pick (plus pick 125 in this draft). That 2019 pick is an extremely valuable one to stash away.
Now, you have to laugh at the Eagles trading up three spots to take tight end Dallas Goedert ahead of Dallas (49) with the draft in the Dallas area. And my best comp for Goedert all along was Zach Ertz, so now the Eagles have both players. Goedert is the best pass-catching and most athletic tight end in this class. Remember: Trey Burton and Brent Celek are both gone from 2018, so Goedert is going to play. Philadelphia led the league with 110 receptions by tight ends last season. If Goedert had gone late in Round 1 -- maybe to Philly! -- it wouldn't have surprised me.
The Eagles didn't have a third-round pick due to the Jordan Matthews-Ronald Darby swap with Buffalo last year, so Philly had only one pick on the first two days. Fourth-rounders Avonte Maddox (125) and Josh Sweat (130) are talented and athletic. Maddox was a four-year starter who ran a 4.39 at the combine. Sweat had 29 tackles for loss in college and had a 39.5-inch vertical jump at the combine. I moved up Matt Pryor (206) over the past few weeks after people in the league told me he was going to move to guard. And how about the Australian former rugby league player Jordan Mailata going late in the seventh round? Philly is going to try to make him an offensive tackle.
The reason this class isn't a straight "A"? Not a single running back (though they did announce the re-signing of Darren Sproles when the day ended). If that's the only bad thing I can say, the Eagles must have had a good day.
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Philadelphia Eagles
Day 1: n/a
Day 2: With one pick in the first two days of the draft, it's just as well the Eagles roster is in good shape, and they showed that by making something of a luxury pick with the selection of TE Dallas Goedert out of South Dakota State. Goedert has reminded many in the pre-draft process of Zach Ertz, so it's interesting to see the two players on the same roster. Against admittedly questionable competition, Goedert was on another level of dominance, averaging 8.1 yards per catch after the reception and breaking a dozen tackles along the way. Goedert's run-blocking grade was solid, but this was against FCS competition and it will be unlikely to be a major strength at the next level.
Day 3: Josh Sweat is an edge rusher a lot of people had higher on their boards but had some injury concerns. He had 34 total pressures in 2017 and 32 defensive stops. Avonte Maddox would be a much higher pick if he wasn't just 5-foot-9 as he had 30 pass breakups over the past four seasons. They also grabbed an Australian NRL rugby player in OT Jordan Mailata in the seventh round as a flier.
Overall grade: Good
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Philadelphia Eagles: B-
Champs often draft for depth, and GM Howie Roseman traded down to get more. Stealing TE "Dallas" Goedert in Jerry Jones' backyard was a nice touch. But getting Florida State pass rusher Josh Sweat in Round 4 might wind up being Roseman's best pick.
HI
I cringe when they say that Goedert is a backup to Ertz, with barely a mention of filling the vacuum made by Celek's departure. Really? Do any of these experts even watch how the TE system works in this system? Was Celek a backup for anybody? Basically they got a guy who has ridiculous hands (arguably better than Burton, based on his highlight reel) and who can block. To dismiss the pick as a mere backup is really missing the point.
he's a back up because he is going to get far less snaps than ertz
and to be honest who knows if he will contribute much at all this year...i personally believe he will play a good amount but he is still a rookie...I mean id ask how is he not a back up...just because there might be some times when they are both on the field at the same time?
and yes celek was a back up TE in the nfl last year...although I suppose you could call him a second or third stringer if back up is cringe worthy
Celek played in 32% of the offensive snaps in the Super Bowl.
That's because he was the backup TE btw.
what constititues a backup in the nfl? id go more with that term of a qb, ol who doesnt play unless theres injury or the starter sucks. goedert to me is the 2nd tight end.
important stuff here.
and foles is the second qb aka the back up qb
Foles is also the backup TE.
I guess you can argue that anybody not on the starting squad on the first snap is a backup. But in systems where players rotate in and out of packages, the term just doesn't properly describe their role ("Meh, he's just a backup."). That would make Chris Long and Michael Bennett backup DEs and Sidney Jones a backup CB. The term can be inaccurate and potentially dismissive.
I know it's just stupid semantics. But discussion topics are a little thin. Welcome to the off-season doldrums.
Back to Goedert...maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think he'll be starting quality once the regular season arrives.
how about a compromise ?
TE's
1a- ertz
1b - goedert
That'll work I suppose. Maybe more like the X, Y, Z thing they use to describe the WRs. If we do that then I can sleep at night.
think snaps not positions
if the eagle starting TE had left in FA then goddart well may get the most snaps at TE this year but since they currently have a really good starter and he's a rookie errz will in all likely hood far exceed his time on the field
or think if the starter got hurt who would take his snaps...whoever that is is a back up
im going to back this conversation up into a volcano
Let me know when someone brings moms into the conversation.
Your mom is literally Hitler.
Ok now it's getting good!
The point of talking about moms is to say something bad or insulting about her, not facts.
Let me know when this happens. Thanks.