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Title: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 07:17:26 PM
Let the fun begin...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 07:26:30 PM
josh mcdaniels
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
McDermott
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
McDermott I doubt it - beat guys have been saying there's baggage there

Hue Jackson?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on December 29, 2015, 07:38:51 PM
Holy shtein. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on December 29, 2015, 07:39:17 PM
Bill Cowher
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on December 29, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 29, 2015, 07:38:51 PM
Holy shtein.

He's happy doing television.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on December 29, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
Please not Brian Billick.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
McDermott I doubt it - beat guys have been saying there's baggage there



Huh ?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
Does Lurie hire a real GM and separate HC, or has he still not learned?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on December 29, 2015, 07:45:10 PM
Now this is a Christmas miracle.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on December 29, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
McDermott I doubt it - beat guys have been saying there's baggage there



Huh ?

The Eagles writers are saying there's issues between him and Lurie.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 29, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
Does Lurie hire a real GM and separate HC, or has he still not learned?

no shot

only question is what will come first - someone to run the front office or the coach.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:46:52 PM
Quote from: Rome on December 29, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
McDermott I doubt it - beat guys have been saying there's baggage there



Huh ?

The Eagles writers are saying there's issues between him and Lurie.

Really, well Now.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Munson on December 29, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Juan Castillo :crazy
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on December 29, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
I farging cannot believe it!  The spineless owner has balls!  shtein yah!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on December 29, 2015, 07:49:35 PM
Gutting your roster of all talent and drafting a bunch of kids you knew in college, that's one thing. Getting embarrassed week after week in the national spotlight, that's another thing. Beating the shtein out of Jeffrey Lurie's favorite team, that's one step too far.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 29, 2015, 07:50:39 PM
In a way, desean is still helping the fans here.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 07:50:54 PM
QuoteJeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane  2m2 minutes ago
#Eagles didn't announce it publicly, but my understanding is that Howie Roseman will return to heading the personnel department.

um
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on December 29, 2015, 07:51:42 PM
For Howie, the war never ended until today.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on December 29, 2015, 07:51:58 PM
Howie?  We're still farged.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Sean Payton?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Sean Payton?

If he's out in NO he has to be the #1 choice.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on December 29, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 29, 2015, 07:39:55 PM
Please not Brian Billick.

Oh God no, no, no, no.  I'd take June Jones over BB.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 07:58:16 PM
Patriots will throw as much money as they need to at McDaniels for him to stay. He's their heir apparent.

Also keep in mind that the Eagles might be like the fourth or fifth most attractive job opening this offseason.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on December 29, 2015, 08:00:51 PM
i won't pretend to know who the best candidates are but i'd like to see a defensive minded guy come in for a change.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:02:14 PM
Just get a strong DC who is aggressive
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Sean Payton?

If he's out in NO he has to be the #1 choice.

Saved Brees's career.  Why not Bradford's?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
From prior to this season:
(http://cdn-png.si.com/sites/default/files/2015/06/new-chart-final-800-width.png)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 29, 2015, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: SD on December 29, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Sean Payton?

If he's out in NO he has to be the #1 choice.

Saved Brees's career.  Why not Bradford's?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WLjO2OTWL._SX355_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 08:08:40 PM
i know hes another college guy but i love david shaw...he does have nfl experience

1997 qc coach for the eagles!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
From prior to this season:
(http://cdn-png.si.com/sites/default/files/2015/06/new-chart-final-800-width.png)

David Shaw would be nice. Although I'd prefer to stay outta college this time. Shaw worked for the Eagles awhile back too.

A lot of bums on that list
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
In the meantime let's celebrate the return of HOWIE
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 08:17:17 PM
adam gase is going to be a "hot" name

whoever they hire wont be a Napoleonic college coach, so theres that
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 29, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
I'm in on Payton.  He and NO should be parting ways.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
If Payton is his guy then Payton comes with GM power I bet

I really have a problem with Howie returning to GM
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 29, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
I'm in on Payton.  He and NO should be parting ways.

At the very least, it would be entertaining. I doubt the Philly media would cover up when they smell booze on his breath the way the Nola media does. And they'd love the girlfriend.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 29, 2015, 08:29:36 PM
I'm in on Payton.  He and NO should be parting ways.

At the very least, it would be entertaining. I doubt the Philly media would cover up when they smell booze on his breath the way the Nola media does. And they'd love the girlfriend.

Eskin taking creep shot cell pics of her is a lock
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
I really have a problem with Howie returning to GM

Well, it's happening. Howie's probably been plotting this maneuver for at least the last year. No way is he not reaping the victory.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
I really have a problem with Howie returning to GM

Well, it's happening. Howie's probably been plotting this maneuver for at least the last year. No way is he not reaping the victory.

So Lurie gets credit for jettisoning Chip but he goes back to his puppet and the architect of The Dream Team? Has he called Vince Young yet?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:38:27 PM
Notice there was nothing in the letter about a GM search.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 29, 2015, 08:49:35 PM
Lol @ shurmur's "building a case" status.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on December 29, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
No retreads who haven't won anything and please no Sean McDermott. Not every successful coordinator makes for a good NFL head coach, and I have absolutely nothing of substance to declare why McDermott wouldn't other than I just get bad vibes from him being the head guy running a football team.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 29, 2015, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:37:41 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 29, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 29, 2015, 08:32:15 PM
I really have a problem with Howie returning to GM

Well, it's happening. Howie's probably been plotting this maneuver for at least the last year. No way is he not reaping the victory.

So Lurie gets credit for jettisoning Chip but he goes back to his puppet and the architect of The Dream Team? Has he called Vince Young yet?

that was andy reids team....it was put together because he knew it was his last hurrah and he was trying to go out hard....2013 was the only draft where you can say howie was mostly responsible....before that andy ran the drafts and after that chip
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 29, 2015, 10:27:26 PM
except for the marcus smith pick, that was all howie

and also agholor and huff and taylor hart and
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on December 30, 2015, 04:39:29 AM
Adam Gase getting a lot of love.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 30, 2015, 07:10:50 AM
Calling it right now...not saying I agree with it...but the next coach will be Jon Gruden
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 30, 2015, 07:26:45 AM
I need to know more about this, "baggage", that supposedly exist between lurie and mcdermott.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
i read a couple of places yesterday that McDermott and lurie have a close relationship...i think people not in the know are making up the beef thing cause of mcdermott being tossed after one season at dc after waiting for so long for a chance

I wouldnt be mad if they hired him...but mcdermott screams coordinator to me.....plus no way could the eagles ever bring someone back like that and it work out...stories like that never end in a good way for them

lol sal pal just tried to report from nova care and couldn't talk cause his voice is so gone...it was farging hilarious....he tried to start three different times nothing would come out and then whispered to the producer "i cant go" and they cut away...ahaha
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on December 30, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
Read somewhere yesterday that Mike Holmgren has been sniffing around the (assumed to be open) 49er's job.  Didn't Lurie try to get him before Rhodes?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 30, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
Read somewhere yesterday that Mike Holmgren has been sniffing around the (assumed to be open) 49er's job.  Didn't Lurie try to get him before Rhodes?

or maybe marv levy is available?

Holmgren is done as a coach...and really do you want some almost 70 year old head coach coming into this situation

id maybe take Holmgren in the position tom donohoe is in now...some advisory role where hes deeply involved in the hiring of the next regime and putting the organization back together since chips fingerprints were on so much of it...but even there he flamed out in Cleveland as a team president...granted Cleveland situation was as toxic as it gets but is philly that much better?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
Holmgren's time is passed. I want him nowhere near personnel either.

McDermott has really done well as DC but igy may be right that he just screams coordinator. The Eagles cannot afford to choose the wrong guy here. It would be another three year setback.

Gase is getting a lot of love but I'm always wary of young bucks who rise to the top quick.

Hue Jackson is seasoned and has done very well in Cincy

No shot on Gruden...I can't see him giving up that TV gig and being in the same division as his brother
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on December 30, 2015, 10:59:20 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 10:46:14 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 30, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
Read somewhere yesterday that Mike Holmgren has been sniffing around the (assumed to be open) 49er's job.  Didn't Lurie try to get him before Rhodes?

or maybe marv levy is available?

Holmgren is done as a coach...and really do you want some almost 70 year old head coach coming into this situation

id maybe take Holmgren in the position tom donohoe is in now...some advisory role where hes deeply involved in the hiring of the next regime and putting the organization back together since chips fingerprints were on so much of it...but even there he flamed out in Cleveland as a team president...granted Cleveland situation was as toxic as it gets but is philly that much better?

Buddy Ryan isn't dead yet either...

I was just bringing up something I read yesterday, not beating the drum for a retread.

Keep in mind, there has never been a Head Coach in the history of the NFL to win Superbowl's with two different teams.  Parcells came close, as did Holmgren, Shula, and Vermeil, but no one has ever done it.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:10:48 AM
that wouldn't bother me so much as hes just farging old and hasn't coached for almost ten years

its really hard to win the superbowl and more than that the same teams always win it so over history unless you coach dallas and pittsburgh or san fran and the giants or wash and green bay you are going to have a tough time winning two with two....ironically parcells coached two of those teams but you get the point
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:11:01 AM
i don't know why exactly but i'm way out on Hue Jackson.  he was a terrible OC the first time he got a chance and he's done a better job now but i read things about him being stubborn...no thanks.

i also want no part of the names everyone brings up like Gruden, Billick, or Cowher.  I don't know why people even mention Cowher, he's so far into the comfy life that he would be a disaster if he came back to coach.  Once those guys get a taste of that TV life with good hours, low stress they don't have the fire to be good again.

Matt Rhule...do it just to see the city burn
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on December 30, 2015, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:11:01 AMOnce those guys get a taste of that TV life with good hours, low stress they don't have the fire to be good again.

This is on point.  The Eagles need a Head Coach who works 100 hour weeks, ignores his suicidal, drug addicted children, and his bored, cheating wife.  Someone who is burning to win, to put his name in the Hall of Fame, not someone with wistful memories of the good old days.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:22:33 AM
lurie went with a solid great nfl pedigree/family tree guy in andy reid and won a lot....then went with the genius cowboy college coach of the moment guy in chip

i suspect that influences his decision and we see a hire that mirrors andy...which would eliminate the really young guys like gase as well as all college coaches...

i think mcdaniels fits the bill perfectly...and his family tree connection is to belly/new England who luries worships...i don't know if hes willing to leave but imo hes without question the guy if lurie can get him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:27:06 AM
I'm not sold on McDaniels...did he learn from his mistakes in Denver? I mean...he was the original Tebow lover
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:31:13 AM
this is what will happen:

Eagles hire McDaniels, he fails miserably again because he's an icehole
Belicheck hires Chip and shows him the ways of the force
Chip gets a HC job in 2017 and wins multiple titles
Philadelphia descends deeper into madness
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:32:23 AM
I keep going back to Sean Payton....I think he has to be the guy no?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on December 30, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:27:06 AMI'm not sold on McDaniels...did he learn from his mistakes in Denver? I mean...he was the original Tebow lover.

I'm not either.  On physiognomy alone, the dude strikes me as petty, small, and vindictive.  Eyes too close together, pinched look on his face.  Classic little guy syndrome.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:37:13 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on December 30, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:27:06 AMI'm not sold on McDaniels...did he learn from his mistakes in Denver? I mean...he was the original Tebow lover.

I'm not either.  On physiognomy alone, the dude strikes me as petty, small, and vindictive.  Eyes too close together, pinched look on his face.  Classic little guy syndrome.

Lol good observation on the close eyes...I read that years ago in an article someone mentioned this was something that profilers look at in serial killers
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 11:41:51 AM
did belicheck learn from cleveland?....guess who is a belly protégé

im more saying lurie will want him than me but id personally take a second chance on him over almost anyone other potential candidate

my fear with mcdaniels is not that he hasn't learned from his Denver experience...i don't think you can be a belly guy and not learn shtein...the fear i have is what i have with all new england assistants...that brady and bellicheck have made everyone thats come thru there better than they might actually be

i cant remember a more underwhelming year for potential HC's....of course its the year the eagles franchise is blown to the ground and has to start over from mostly nothing
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:45:34 AM
there hasn't been one belicheck assistant that has done anything as a head coach.  even scott pioli fell on his face when he left b-magic. 

not having a viable coaching tree is probably the only thing that keeps him from being the best coach of all time
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Yeah exactly the Belichick tree hasn't had much HC success

Crennel and Weis were failures. McDaniels was bad at his first opportunity.

I bet Lurie consults with Dawk somewhat bc he played for McDaniels.

Not just an underwhelming year for HCs (would have loved Bowles) but for QB prospects too. Had the 4th pick and had to take Lane bc no QBs and now likely a top 10 and no QB studs
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
Arians is going to go down in Philly sports history in the same vein as Sandberg, Frank Thomas, Earl Thomas
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 11:47:47 AM
Yeah exactly the Belichick tree hasn't had much HC success

Crennel and Weis were failures. McDaniels was bad at his first opportunity.

I bet Lurie consults with Dawk somewhat bc he played for McDaniels.

Not just an underwhelming year for HCs (would have loved Bowles) but for QB prospects too. Had the 4th pick and had to take Lane bc no QBs and now likely a top 10 and no QB studs

assuming they can get bradford back they are perfectly fine at qb...the eagles aren't someone like Houston who a bad qb draft really matters to...first and foremost this offseason is about putting together the right regime to get past the chip kelly era because he permeated every facet of the football operations

but as far as the roster itself...this offseason is all about rebuilding the OL and finding a WR1...no other areas of the roster scream out loud help me
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
i would put the corners on that list
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 12:18:22 PM
OL, WR, and a long term QB prospect, with some CB help in there. I think everybody can agree on the needs. Of course, Roseman will go with tweener DEs.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:20:21 PM
Quote from: SunMo on December 30, 2015, 12:05:03 PM
i would put the corners on that list

yeah i mean if you count carroll as gone i would include them but im saying as far as the roster right now

nothing even comes close to kkk/huff at wr and the two guards on the OL......that's some next level bad shtein
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 12:25:05 PM
At the very least, somebody who isn't a slot receiver might be a good thing.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
agholor not being a complete turd and becoming an nfl player next year would be nice
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 12:59:33 PM
They've burned so many draft picks on shtein receivers the last few years (and the team is kinda stuck with those guys) that unless someone perfect is available in the third round, I feel like that is something that will be primarily addressed via FA. They don't really need a stud there next year (particularly if Bradford is gone), just Travis Benjamin types who can catch the goddamn ball.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
yeah it doesn't have to be the draft...FA trade whatever but i couldn't disagree more...they need a WR1 in the worst way...if they had a franchise qb or a guy like russell wilson who can run around and make plays then fine get a bunch middling guys...but if you have sam bradford who in theory they will then get him a farging outside WR1, a WR2 who belongs in the nfl, and stick them with a great slot guy in matthews and you are ready to rock n roll...they need a kelvin banjamin not a travis
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
Is anyone like that really going to be available for a price a rebuilding team can afford? If so I'm on board, I just don't want to see them waste another high draft pick on Nelson Agholor Jr.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 30, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
im no cap expert, but alshon jeffrey is probably hitting the market

there are a variety of factors at play - namely why on earth would he sign here - but hes very good at the wide receivering
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:22:42 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 01:11:59 PM
Is anyone like that really going to be available for a price a rebuilding team can afford? If so I'm on board, I just don't want to see them waste another high draft pick on Nelson Agholor Jr.

yeah i don't know how things will fall and if any WR1 will be available where they pick or on the fa or trade markets im just saying they need one bad

imo they are rebuilding everything but the roster...they won 6/7 games in a horrible environment with a terrible coach...change the culture improve the locker room and tweak the roster and i dont see how they couldn't do what wash did going from four wins to the division title

they aren't winning the sb next year but i also don't think they should give up and go 2-14....luckily the two areas where they need to improve the most are super doable...guards are the easiest position to replace and the wr's are so friggin bad that even if they don't get a wr1 and do what you are saying there is so much room for improvement at those positions that the upgrade by default has to be huge
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
Washington went from 4 wins to 8 wins...maybe 9. In most years, that's not getting a WC spot, much less winning the division.

But, you're right that the Eagles could do the same thing next year because I'm not sure that the division is going to be significantly better than it is now.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:38:14 PM
its a lot easier to go from 4 to 9 than from 6 to 11 but if the eagles improve half as much as wash did then they are at 9/10 and in multiple divisions almost every year now i think youll see that wins

but my main point is that they are closer to that than they are 2-14 and next year shouldn't be a throwaway year...the nfl is unlike any other league especially these days with extra playoff teams and parity everywhere...you have to be epically bad to wanna root for your team to lose before a season begins....and this is coming from someone who does it all the time with his teams

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 01:41:19 PM
If Bradford decides to leave or if the team wants to spend money elsewhere instead, do you still think next year isn't throwaway? It seems like an awful lot hinges on that one decision.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 01:42:41 PM
well yeah if sanchez is the qb next year then its over before it starts....but everything im saying assumes Bradford is back
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2015, 01:48:08 PM
Agree that next year shouldn't be a throwaway year, at least not right now. Gotta see how things unfold.  If Bradford is back, you need to set the floor at 7 or 8 wins. Also depends on the direction they go with the coach. If Lurie goes with another Andy Reid-type...obscure position coach....then 2016 becomes a bit of a throw away because there will be some growing pains. But if it's a McDaniels or one of the top coordinators, then I'll expect a little more from them in year 1.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
Maybe Doug Pederson can come in and bring in this year's Doug Pederson.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
Last time the Eagles went coach hunting, they pretty much had their pick because it was the Eagles and a bunch of NFL backwater franchises in the hunt. The Bears could have been a serious competitor but they were all about that CFL coach for some reason.

You gotta figure this year the premiere spots are going to be the Giants and whoever gets to coach Andrew Luck for the next decade. That could be McDaniels and McDermott right there. Coaching the Chargers in LA or hanging out in Miami or New Orleans could be compelling to candidates too. In terms of being an organizational dumpster fire, the Eagles probably beat out the likes of Cleveland and San Fran though, so there's that. You also need a coach who has a ballsack and isn't intimidated by the Philly media drama and the rabid fanbase. It's a team that is capable of chewing up and spitting out even a good coach if he has the wrong temperament for the city.

I really have zero idea who would be a good fit and I'm super curious to see who they bring in for interviews.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on December 30, 2015, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 02:06:44 PM
Maybe Doug Pederson can come in and bring in this year's Doug Pederson.

Does Doug Pedersen ever voluntarily leave Andy Reid's side?  He's basically in orbit around the big guy and never getting out, right?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 02:12:25 PM
That could be McDaniels and McDermott right there.

i don't know how much it means to him but McDermott grew up in philly...lasalle high grad...if his dream would be to coach the eagles then that may trump most or all other places
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on December 30, 2015, 03:06:48 PM
I do like McDermott's JJ lineage.

One name I don't see mentioned much: Mike Caldwell. He's done some decent work with the Cards and the Jets (where he's now "assistant head coach"). Maybe this is his next logical move.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
I'm fine with McDermott and maybe Mike Caldwell as DC

Good thought on him, Sus.

Whoever they bring in I hope the offense isn't a dink and dunk shteinshow. Down the field pressure and a traditional running and play action game will be nice.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 30, 2015, 04:03:29 PM
I'm in on McDermott. May not end up being a wise choice but I think the guy is ready to be a HC.



Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 30, 2015, 04:13:30 PM
Pass on McDermott
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 30, 2015, 04:19:05 PM
How much of the Carolina defense is McDermott, and how much is Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Kawann Short, Josh Norman, and -- most importantly -- Ron Rivera? I have no idea how much of a factor he has or hasn't been on that team.

Maybe the Eagles will hire him and then replace him with Juan Castillo right before the season starts.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 04:20:10 PM
more to the point....how much is kurt coleman!!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 30, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
Baldy and ray diddy have both daid that McDermott deserves a good amount of credit for Carolina's success.

Who knows, either way look forward to another fun ride in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 05:40:04 PM
Barkann on DNL saying that Banner would listen to the Eagles about coming back as a president/GM

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 05:40:04 PM
Barkann on DNL saying that Banner would listen to the Eagles about coming back as a president/GM

his current gig is appearing on espn once or twice a week as an "insider".....im pretty sure hed interview with a cfl team right now for a president/gm job

awesome troll job by barks and dnl tho...theres probably a lot of beat writers salty they didn't come up with that first
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 06:04:22 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 05:58:39 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 05:40:04 PM
Barkann on DNL saying that Banner would listen to the Eagles about coming back as a president/GM

his current gig is appearing on espn once or twice a week as an "insider".....im pretty sure hed interview with a cfl team right now for a president/gm job

awesome troll job by barks and dnl tho...theres probably a lot of beat writers salty they didn't come up with that first

He said that he was told (Barkann) that Banner wasn't interested in those roles with any other squad
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on December 30, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
great info

as usual barkann the carnival barker coming through
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on December 30, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
first of all he would never be offered a gm job...hes not a football guy

secondly its hard to be interested in something that isn't available to you

he would take a president interview from any team in the nfl in a cocaine heartbeat if offered

trollin....trollin....barks trollin you down the river...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 30, 2015, 06:23:19 PM
I'm not buying it...but as long as Howie is here Banner won't be.

This is Howie's world and we are just living in it
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 31, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
The NFL Network was just speculating, but two of the names they tossed out as possibilities were Jim Caldwell and Chuck Pagano. Brutal.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2015, 09:28:50 PM
I swear to god if they hired Jim Caldwell I will picket NovaCare

No bullshtein.

He's awful.

No to Pagano too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 01, 2016, 05:42:29 AM
Picket?  shtein, I'd go all Isis on the Center.  No way do I want either one of those clowns coaching this team.

Oh farg, FBI's at my door.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 02, 2016, 01:25:25 PM
QuoteAdam Schefter
Eagles RB coach Duce Staley had interviewed for Philadelphia's head coaching job, per @Edwerderespn.

Maybe they just wanted to get the Rooney rule out of the way as soon as possible
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
Can't recall where I heard it - maybe on CSN? - but someone was saying Duce was a sleeper to make some noise in the search. Lurie loves him.

I don't think he's ready but I'd love to see him stay on as a coach or even OC
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: NC_Eagle on January 02, 2016, 03:54:56 PM
I'd like to see it, if just to have the fans chant 'DUUUUUCE!' every time he did something on the sidelines.  8)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
Can't recall where I heard it - maybe on CSN? - but someone was saying Duce was a sleeper to make some noise in the search. Lurie loves him.

I don't think he's ready but I'd love to see him stay on as a coach or even OC

what on earth makes you think he would be a good playcaller, other than the fact that he played for the eagles 10 years ago

the one thing he did for chip was rotate rbs and he was pitiful at that, so i cant imagine hed be any good doing something more involved
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
I knew you'd have something to say

What made you think Reid would be good coming from being just a QB coach? Oh that's right you didn't think that. But yet he was.

So save your keystrokes buddy
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 02, 2016, 05:32:29 PM
Jim Harbaugh was "just" a special teams coach and he's done alright.

Experience is overrated to some extent. You don't want a rube in the position, which Kelly frankly turned out to be, but you don't need Lombardi incarnate either.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: BigEd76 on January 02, 2016, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: SD on January 02, 2016, 01:25:25 PM
QuoteAdam Schefter
Eagles RB coach Duce Staley had interviewed for Philadelphia's head coaching job, per @Edwerderespn.

Maybe they just wanted to get the Rooney rule out of the way as soon as possible

That's what I figured but apparently they really like him and could offer him a promotion, but I don't see how he's an Associate HC or an OC for a new head coach. I would expect Hue Jackson to be interviewed too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: BigEd76 on January 02, 2016, 05:47:45 PM
Florio says the Eagles are one of three teams (Miami, Cleveland) that will aggressively pursue Adam Gase, and since they already satisfied the Rooney Rule, they can talk to and hire him as soon as Monday (but there's absolutely zero chance of that happening)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 02, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
I'd be all in on Duce. I don't care if he's not ready, there's no farging talent for him to coach anyway. If the next two years are going to be a dumpster fire, why not? Worse case scenario is he's a different kind of inept from Andy and Chip.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 02, 2016, 06:02:52 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on January 02, 2016, 06:00:35 PM
I'd be all in on Duce. I don't care if he's not ready, there's no farging talent for him to coach anyway. If the next two years are going to be a dumpster fire, why not? Worse case scenario is he's a different kind of inept from Andy and Chip.

I think it's safe to say Taco Tuesdays would be back.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 02, 2016, 06:05:41 PM
So there's no downside whatsoever.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 02, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
I love everything about the idea of Duce being hired. This team is going to blow for the foreseeable future but l bet he knows how to use a game clock better than either Chip or Andy. Plus he loves philly and philly might actually love him back. That could go a long way towards making a rebuild fun instead of intolerable.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2016, 06:55:31 PM
I'm all in on Duce staying with the team in some coaching capacity but I don't think I want him as a HC....not yet. Gotta see him do more than just work with the RB before being put in charge of an entire roster.

Don't get me wrong, if by chance he's hired I'll be rooting for the guy like crazy. He's definitely one of my favorite Eagles ever.  I just don't think he's ready and I also don't think this is the right time for Lurie to take another huge risk. That said, he's less risky than Chip, imo.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 02, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
I would actually start giving a shtein about this team again if they hired Duce.  Seriously, get.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 02, 2016, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 02, 2016, 06:35:27 PM
Plus he loves philly and philly might actually love him back. That could go a long way towards making a rebuild fun instead of intolerable.

He'll go 3-13 and then we'll all hate him. Why ruin a good thing?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hbionic on January 02, 2016, 08:21:16 PM
We're all in regardless of who they get iceholes. Don't kid yourselves. Nothing they'll do will make you not give a shtein short of the team moving to L.A.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on January 02, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
I root for laundry.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 02, 2016, 07:18:54 PM
I would actually start giving a shtein about this team again if they hired Duce.  Seriously, get.

My interest level in this meaningless week 17 game went up about a million percent starting Tue evening. The only way it goes down from here is if they hire a Pagano or Caldwell type guy.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 02, 2016, 09:15:36 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
The only way it goes down from here is if they hire a Pagano or Caldwell type guy.

I'm going to give anyone they hire the benefit of the doubt if he has no HC experience. Only time will tell if they are right for the job. That goes for Duce, McDermott, another college coach, whatever. I'm even willing to give a chance to a few retreads (even including Shurmur). But Pagano or Caldwell, no way. I'll be bummed out if they are even called in for interviews.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
How do you guys feel about Gase?

I am always wary of the hot names but he's done well with Jay Cutler

It will never happen but I'd love David Shaw he's who I wanted originally after Andy was fired

Does Belichick steer McDaniels away from here?

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 02, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I think the ability of a guy to coach a position or to coordinate has very little to do with their ability to be a head coach. So overall, who knows?

With Gase, the big plus has been that he's shown the ability to design around the talents of varying players. I have no doubt he could improve the Eagles run game, even if they still have shtein guards. He is a run first guy and knows how to maximize RBs. If you want to see the deep ball, I wouldn't expect to see much of it from a Gase offense, especially if his QB is Bradford or a rookie.

The Patriots see McDaniels as their heir apparent and are willing to throw HC level money at him to stay. It's up to McDaniels whether he thinks he is better served alongside BB or trying to go out on his own again. If he is going to leave, I don't think either BB or the team gives a shtein where he goes.

McDaniels' boy is Nick Caserio in the Pats front office. He might be looking for somewhere they can go as a coach-GM package deal.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 02, 2016, 10:11:53 PM
I love Duce...but he'd be an awful head coach. Teams can turn fast in the NFL...chip turned a 4-12 Eagles team into a legit team. He then sabotaged it but the right coach can make all the difference. Duce isn't ready and I don't think he ever will be. Rooney rule.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 02, 2016, 10:17:34 PM
I don't see it as a purely cynical Rooney rule thing. I suspect they will interview more black guys. A loyal and well regarded young guy wanted to interview for a job he isn't really qualified for and they let him interview. I've seen it happen a million times in regular jobs. Very rarely it directly leads to the guy getting the job, but I've seen that move work for so many people... their name is in the conversation the next time a similar promotion opens up.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
Yeah I want a down the field offense. A passing game that is all short and intermediate shtein drives me nuts.

As for Duce he could be ready who knows? We don't get to hear his thoughts or see his fingerprints on anything so he may be ready to ascend to a head spot based on what he's shown to the decision makers.

I truly believe Howie being the shot caller is a detriment to hiring a legit coach.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 02, 2016, 10:28:18 PM
The Duce interview def was more than just a rooney rule requirement. Lurie doesn't seem like the type to interview someone simply for the sake of interviewing him. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
Duce is a guy who I hoped would be kept so by him being thought highly of by Lurie shows that even if he doesn't get the top spot he will probably be retained which is good

Hopefully they keep Fipp too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
DURRRR duce was good on da eagles so hes a good coach DURRRRRR
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 10:41:41 PM
Is he a bad coach?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 10:46:31 PM
probably not. he couldnt even get down the rb rotation thing. and chip liked him enough to keep around, which is a bit of a red flag since his judgement is just awful.

but he played for the eagles! and he was good! so did mike caldwell! therefore....go birds
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 10:48:22 PM
You need a mental health eval quickly...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 10:51:30 PM
this is exactly what you said 5 minutes ago...and to be fair it was echoed by most people here....but youre basically advocating for a coach because of what they did as a player 15 years ago

its just nonsense
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 02, 2016, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 02, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
DURRRR duce was good on da eagles so hes a good coach DURRRRRR

I have no idea whether Duce is a good RB coach/ will be a good head coach some day / is even remotely qualified etc, but boy do you like setting up strawmen recently. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
its just such an asinine thing and total fanboy nonsense

i expect j to traffic in that because thats literally his life, but everyone else entertaining the idea was honestly surprising
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 11:15:46 PM
Maybe because you're the lone wolf here it says something?

My thoughts on Duce now have nothing to do with him as a player

hes received a lot of praise and has worked his way up from an intern

But you're taking the lazy way out so you can take shots
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 11:21:14 PM
sorry im not a fanboy who sends thank you letters to players

you generally never hear anything bad about position coaches...what good has been said about him? shady and him were boys....chip and andy with some empty platitudes? terrific.

like i said he couldnt even successfully rotate the rbs in and was kept around by chip. thats 2 major strikes against you.

you 100% are entertaining this idea because he played for the eagles...if this was preist holmes, not duce, you wouldnt even think to react to it

i for one dont want anyone even associated with that arrogant college coach, but thats just me. we all know youre still a chip bot
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 11:31:37 PM
Lolol ok

This is my last post on this bc I don't know if you're trolling or stupid enough to believe what you're typing

Are they empty platitudes because they were bestowed upon him by two guys who you hate? Or maaaaaybe just maybe you're wrong and he's a good coach?

You're wrong that I'm entertaining this solely because he played. You're wrong a lot lately

Do you want the STs coach? He's good and was associated with Chip. Or you gonna be stupid and say he should be gone bc he's a Chip guy?

Duce is a good coach. Is he ready to be a HC? Probably not but I think he's worth keeping around.

All you do is rip other people with lousy "logic" - and never say who you want it that anyone is good
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 02, 2016, 11:38:25 PM
i dont give a shtein who the rb coach is. hows that?

so to recap
1. duce is awesome
2. go eagles
3. chip is still a genius

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 03, 2016, 12:00:16 AM
No one cars, you dork. Shut up.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: NC_Eagle on January 03, 2016, 11:29:14 AM
QuoteThe Philadelphia Eagles may already have a top choice to fill the team's head coaching vacancy, and according to ESPN's Adam Schefter, it's Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson who is "expected to be a leading candidate" for the Eagles.

Pederson, 47, was the quarterbacks coach for the Eagles before leaving to take over as offensive coordinator for the Chiefs in 2013. While the Chiefs offense hasn't even cracked the top 20 in total yards in each of his three seasons, the team has been above the league average in scoring and is No. 9 in points in 2015.

The Chiefs haven't lost since Week 6 and carry a nine-game winning streak into the final game of the year on Sunday. Even after losing Jamaal Charles for the season, the Chiefs have managed to excel on offense by avoiding mistakes and could become the first team in franchise history to win 10 consecutive games.

Pederson played 10 seasons in the NFL, including spending the 1999 season with the Eagles where he started nine games. He led the team to just a 2-7 record with seven touchdowns and nine interceptions, though, and spent seven of his 10 career seasons as Brett Favre's backup with the Green Bay Packers.

The Eagles also interviewed Duce Staley, another one of the team's former players for the head coaching vacancy. Staley was the leading rusher for the Eagles during Pederson's year with the team, and he is currently finishing his third season as the running backs coach in Philadelphia.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
Like Les Bowen said - if the top candidate is Pederson then the line of people willing to work with Howie is short.

And...so we can expect Donovan to take over as HC shortly thereafter?!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 03, 2016, 11:45:26 AM
people always gravitate to unknowns - you take someone like Duce & you have an ex-player who was beloved and who has a personality that the fanbase appreciates, so you're going to get a lot of people giving him the benefit of the doubt (maybe irrationally so), because no one really knows whether he's even a good RB coach, let alone has the capacity to be a good head coach.  But you take the qualities which show he connects with the city, and has roots here, and you're going to get people willing to roll the dice on him for the unknown quality, rather than what people will view as a known quantity with Pederson I'm assuming.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 11:47:04 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 03, 2016, 11:45:26 AM
people always gravitate to unknowns - you take someone like Duce & you have an ex-player who was beloved and who has a personality that the fanbase appreciates, so you're going to get a lot of people giving him the benefit of the doubt (maybe irrationally so), because no one really knows whether he's even a good RB coach, let alone has the capacity to be a good head coach.  But you take the qualities which show he connects with the city, and has roots here, and you're going to get people willing to roll the dice on him for the unknown quality, rather than what people will view as a known quantity with Pederson I'm assuming.

Pretty spot on here.

Good post and cracks the "durrr I like the Eagles" nonsense
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 03, 2016, 11:51:51 AM
I'd say the evidence that Duce is a quality RB coach is fairly clear.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 03, 2016, 12:00:12 PM
No on Pederson too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Glazer said the Eagles called Andy and asked for his opinion on some guys thus the Pederson interest

Also Payton, if let go in NO, will be coveted by IND and SF
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 12:24:10 PM
DGunn says the Pederson rumor is false per three sources
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: JackStraw on January 03, 2016, 12:51:11 PM
with OL, QB and WR in dumpster it's a 3-year deal. HC doesn't matter as much to me as who the DC is. Find a JJ under the cover of all the HC hype from CK car crash rubberneckers. Build/FA a nasty D, draft OL in 16, run the farging pill with murray etc., and try to scrounge as many picks as possible for 2017 draft.

A HC who is "team" is fine - it let's Howie play out. Just get a farging DC who channels JJ. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 01:35:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 12:24:10 PM
DGunn says the Pederson rumor is false per three sources

Eckel says it's a bum report too

Schefter being a shill for Pederson via Doug's agent?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 01:59:22 PM
i cant believe thinking duce could or should be a head coach is actually a thing....

people are insane
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 01:59:58 PM
What does it matter? They'll suck anyways right?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 03, 2016, 02:07:08 PM
It matters because you have a team in desperate need of a rebuild. I don't know how Duce would be with a solid core of players, much less needing to lead a total rebuild.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 03, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
Shurmer trying to make his case today. Offense is cooking.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 02:12:26 PM
duce is farging three years away from being a special teams quality control officer....and has a grand total of 48 months of coaching experience in his entire life at any level of football...he should not be an head coach in the nfl next year and wont be
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 02:18:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
Can't recall where I heard it - maybe on CSN? - but someone was saying Duce was a sleeper to make some noise in the search. Lurie loves him.

I don't think he's ready but I'd love to see him stay on as a coach or even OC

I'm quoting myself here as a reminder that I don't believe he's ready.  But I do want him to remain on the staff - same as Fipp
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 03, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
It should also be noted that Duce is terrible at spelling. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 02:23:47 PM
hes probably not even close to being ready to be an OC...and may never be

I mean are we even sure hed get hired by another team if the eagles let him walk?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 03, 2016, 02:25:39 PM
I'm sure Andy would give him a job, but I don't think there's any real demand for him around the league at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 03, 2016, 02:33:33 PM
What, you guys don't keep up on all the latest RB coach news and rumors?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 03, 2016, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 02:23:47 PM
hes probably not even close to being ready to be an OC...and may never be

I mean are we even sure hed get hired by another team if the eagles let him walk?

he played for the eagles! go birds
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 03, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
It's funny that the guy who actually went to college to become a sports writer adds the least to every discussion about sports.

Your emo teen shtick was somewhat humorous when you were in high school.  It's way past its expiration date at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 02, 2016, 03:29:03 PM
Can't recall where I heard it - maybe on CSN? - but someone was saying Duce was a sleeper to make some noise in the search. Lurie loves him.

I don't think he's ready but I'd love to see him stay on as a coach or even OC

Another time to prove lil Guy's reading skills are lousy
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 03, 2016, 07:11:19 PM
Bradford shilling for Shurmur (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14496628/sam-bradford-endorses-pat-shurmur-philadelphia-eagles-head-coaching-position)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 03, 2016, 07:37:09 PM
I really don't know what to think about him outside of what I saw today. I know Bradford showed a lot of promise his rookie year, and today seemed to be an extention of that. I don't think it'd be fair to hold anything against him regarding Cleveland.

Is there any real reason to be absolutely against him?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 07:56:01 PM
its kinda neat to hear a player who may not be on the team next year chime in on who should be the new coach
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 03, 2016, 08:29:48 PM
adam gase interview locked and loaded
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 03, 2016, 08:36:40 PM
Win today, lose today whatever.  They lose a few spots in the draft, I don't care.  This organization hasn't had a descent #1 pick in years (with the exception of Cox and MaClin) and I am still not confident if Howie's meddling again.  I am not to caught up in the draft position, what are they at now, #13?  Yes, #9 would have been nice but there will be some good OL/Defensive talent available at 13.  No second is a big concern.  Well if Chip was still here you know we'd be prepping for the arrival of DeForrest Buckner.

Just get us a damn coach!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 03, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Sean Payton is the top candidate

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=%2Fphilly%2Fsports%2Feagles&id=364081731
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Tomahawk on January 03, 2016, 10:42:19 PM
That article also mention John Harbaugh and Doug Pederson....Go Eagles!!

And it says Bradford is the best QB in the history of the Eagles.

Quote* Sam Bradford had a 78.9 completion percentage against the Giants, completing 30 of 38 passes. That's the highest single-game completion percentage ever by an Eagles quarterback with at least 30 attempts.

* Over the last three games, Bradford had 1,061 passing yards. That's the second highest three-game total by an Eagles quarterback. Donovan McNabb threw for 1,076 yards in a three-game span in 2005.

* In his last six starts, Bradford had a 99.1 passer rating.

* Bradford completed six of nine third-down passes for 75 yards and six first downs against the Giants. In his last five starts, he had a 104.8 passer rating on third down. Twenty-six of his 36 third-down completions resulted in first downs.

* Bradford set single-season franchise records this season for completions (346) and completion percentage (65.0).

* His five 300-yard passing games tied a club record set by McNabb in '04 and Sonny Jurgensen in '61.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 03, 2016, 10:47:35 PM
So Payton and Harbaugh top Lurie's list? Who's #3... Bill Belichick?

The Saints aren't going to fire Payton but they'd probably be willing to trade him for Fletcher Cox and the Eagles #1.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 10:58:21 PM
Payton is my top choice too but yeah he's not getting fired

Saints beat guy said Payton's criteria for new team is;

Strong ownership
Functional management
Elite QB
Proximity to family
High profile team

Eagles have 3/5
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: BigEd76 on January 03, 2016, 11:23:32 PM
FOX reporting Teryl Austin (Lions DC) and Ben McAdoo (Giants OC) will be interviewed
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 03, 2016, 11:33:24 PM
No thank you on both of those dudes

Shurmur interviews tomorrow
Gase on Tuesday
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 04, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Sean Payton is the top candidate

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=%2Fphilly%2Fsports%2Feagles&id=364081731

Checking my reading comprehension skills here:

So this article says that the Eagles are pretending that Howie isn't the real GM, just in case a coaching candidate is turned off by the idea of working with Howie? And Donahoe is really a retired guy who is gone as soon as the new coach comes in?

Sounds like a winning plan for an elite organization.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 12:16:45 AM
Yeah nice attempt at a smokescreen, Jeff

Does he tell the coaching candidates to pay no mind to the little fella behind the curtain?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 04, 2016, 02:27:36 AM
Can the Complex just make this easier and just release who they're not interviewing.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 06:46:03 AM
Quote from: Tomahawk on January 03, 2016, 10:42:19 PM
And it says Bradford is the best QB in the history of the Eagles.

he's the only qb ever in his prime to be the best in the history of his franchise but not be as good as his current back up
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 07:01:47 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 04, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: SD on January 03, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Sean Payton is the top candidate

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=%2Fphilly%2Fsports%2Feagles&id=364081731

Checking my reading comprehension skills here:

So this article says that the Eagles are pretending that Howie isn't the real GM, just in case a coaching candidate is turned off by the idea of working with Howie? And Donahoe is really a retired guy who is gone as soon as the new coach comes in?

Sounds like a winning plan for an elite organization.

I see it as if lurie has a shot at someone elite or who he deems elite like Payton and that hire wants last say on personnel then howies role will be greatly diminished if not eliminated

whereas if they hire a young buck liked a gase who carries no weight then howie gets the gm job and a much more prominent role in picking players

basically what he's thinking is that by hiring a permanent gm whether it be howie or someone else before a coach that it could eliminate certain candidates before the search even begins

as for donahoe I was always under the impression that he is a consultant to help with the coach hire then he's essentially gone 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 04, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
Article says NO wouldn't outright part ways with Payton but that NO might be open to trading him for a 2nd rounder. Do you make that trade? I know they don't have a second this season so it would have to be a future pick.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
i dont feel too strongly about it either way but i would not give up a pick for him...you can make a solid argument for and against...i think hes a very good offensive coach but i dont know that hes a great player evaluator...also is he truly a game changer that you are going to trade for or is he just easily the best coach in a very underwhelming pool of candidates

on the other hand i do love the idea of him working with bradford
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 04, 2016, 08:57:19 AM
Payton hired Ryan to run his defense.  That sort of misjudgment is really a black mark against him.  And he hasn't done much since the SB season even with a HOF QB.

Pass. 

I'd take a run at Chucky if you're looking to hit a home run. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 09:06:39 AM
i dont quite understand how gruden could be a home run and payton could not...they are almost the exact same candidate

same age...both offensive minds...one sb each with a historical bad franchise...both coached with the eagles...each coached about ten seasons (payton has a much better record)

two significant differences...each a potential mark against....gruden hasnt coached for almost a decade and payton had drew brees

to me the upside is about the same with each....but gruden comes with more risk
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 04, 2016, 09:16:47 AM
Because I farging said so, that's why. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 04, 2016, 09:29:44 AM
How involved was Gruene with picking players in Oak?  Did he have a bunch of influence or was he just there to coach the players he was given?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 09:34:12 AM
im pretty sure gruden didnt get that power until tampa
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 04, 2016, 09:40:23 AM
That's what I was thinking, but I can barely remember the Eagles FO setup from 14 years ago, much less the Raiders.

Reason I asked was because Gruden gets no credit for the Bucs roster that he won the SB with, but the team he beat was basically the same roster he had been coaching the previous few years. Just curious if he actually had a hand in building that roster or not.  Doesn't seem like he did. So the only thing you can really go by for his FO ability is after the SB, and I beleive they started a steady decline after that.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 04, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
I said get. 

That should be good enough for you iceholes.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 10:24:59 AM
Quote from: SD on January 04, 2016, 07:37:17 AM
Article says NO wouldn't outright part ways with Payton but that NO might be open to trading him for a 2nd rounder. Do you make that trade? I know they don't have a second this season so it would have to be a future pick.

fwiw lacanfora just said he thinks its going to be just a mid round pick....probably a 4th
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 04, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
I want Payton. He brings an air of legitimacy to the team that it's missing while not seeming like the retread a Billick or someone would be.  He was good as a coordinator before New Orleans too.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 04, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
I think I want Peyton too but I don't think he'll want to come here.  In fact, I think while they continue to have this FO structure in place it will be hard to get any established coach.  They are gonna have to go with coordinators and hope they pick the right one.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 04, 2016, 10:48:40 AM
A top candidate is gonna want what Kelly had.  And why wouldn't he?  It's all about ego for these guys especially the guys in their early 50's who've had success elsewhere. 

Sunny is right.  It's gonna be an up and coming coordinator.   Too bad Lurie can't ditch his mongrel adoptive offspring and hire a legit football guy. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 10:53:30 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 04, 2016, 10:32:46 AM
I think I want Peyton too but I don't think he'll want to come here.  In fact, I think while they continue to have this FO structure in place it will be hard to get any established coach.  They are gonna have to go with coordinators and hope they pick the right one.

i disagree with that if you are looking at someone like payton and he wants player control...because the eagles gave themselves an out by lurie saying its a collaborative system...meaning no real head of power

if they had say hired a gm who was going to have full control/final say and who was going to hire his own coach then payton (or anyone who wanted PP control) would be a non starter...but all they did was sorta kinda say that howie is the gm now but will work in collab with donahoe and whatever young scouting head they hire blah blah blah...it was the furthest thing from a regime switch and sounded much more like a stop gap situation...or like they put together a comittee that was going to work together to hire a new coach but havent decided yet on who or how the football operations front will be run

so i think the real question here is how do people feel about the eagles hiring another coach who has PP control...because i dont think its off the table that they would do that

do you want a situation where you have a team of say: howie, a maryowitz/heckert type, gase making the PP decisions or do you want a single guy at the top of the pyramid making decisions and have payton at the top and an assistant like you had with andy/heckert/howie or  chip/maryowitz
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 04, 2016, 11:41:31 AM
just saw ben mcadoo's name dropped

J is ALL THE farg IN....dook is from homer city, pa
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 02:58:36 PM
BigEd beat you on McAdoo, homie...I already said NO
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on January 04, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
I want Duce. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 04, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14504114/how-tom-coughlin-changed-ways-won-new-york-giants-nfl

I read this and can't help but wonder if Kelly will do the same thing somewhere else. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
Dirk Koetter is on the list now too per Alex Marvez
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 04, 2016, 09:41:29 PM
My interview is on Thursday.  When are yours?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 09:47:11 PM
I had mine before I left Philly the other day

I doubt I'll get the job because I recommend MDS for director of player personnel since he knows best
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 04, 2016, 10:07:30 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
Dirk Koetter is on the list now too per Alex Marvez

I'd be more impressed with Dirk Diggler.

Seriously though...you all need to get on the Shurmur train cause it's pulling into the station.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 04, 2016, 10:13:55 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 09:25:19 PM
Dirk Koetter is on the list now too per Alex Marvez

why does anyone know these names.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
lol nothing would surprise me but I'd put long odds on Shurmur...75/1

I'm not sure why Lurie hasn't requested an interview with Hue Jackson yet
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
Doug Marrone is joining the list (again, was interviewed before Chip was hired in 2013).

He quit on the Bills and I'll vote no on him too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 05, 2016, 03:01:57 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
Doug Marrone is joining the list (again, was interviewed before Chip was hired in 2013).

He quit on the Bills and I'll vote no on him too

No on Marrone.  No quitters please.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 05, 2016, 03:03:39 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 04, 2016, 09:41:29 PM
My interview is on Thursday.  When are yours?

HA! 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 05, 2016, 04:26:51 AM
I couldn't care less about Marrone's failed attempt to flip to the Jets. It's known that the Bills FO is less than great to deal with for coaches. His plan backfired, but what, we're supposed to take this as a sign that he's a "quitter" or whatever? His contract let him leave.

The reason Marrone would be surprising and somewhat upsetting to me is that he's twice the egotistical power-tripping dickhead that Chip was. If you move on from Chip because he's poisoned the atmosphere, why the hell would you go out and get this guy?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 08:29:10 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 05, 2016, 04:26:51 AM
The reason Marrone would be surprising and somewhat upsetting to me is that he's twice the egotistical power-tripping dickhead that Chip was.

not even close....i dont want marrone but chip thought he could oversee professional athletes sleeping habits by attaching a sleep monitor to them...chip actually told the owner that he would not attend his annual christmas party if it was not held on a certain day and time...and even two years later i still cant believe he cut the teams best player outright for essentially being too loud

at the pro level i dont think theres ever been anything close to what chip did in his three years here
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 05, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 04, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14504114/how-tom-coughlin-changed-ways-won-new-york-giants-nfl

I read this and can't help but wonder if Kelly will do the same thing somewhere else.

Absolutely not. He wont get another nfl job IMO.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 05, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
NFL reportedly looking into the Eagles' Rooney Rule shenanigans.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 05, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
McDermott was apparently on local radio (I didn't hear it), saying some pretty positive things about returning to Philadelphia. Of course, he hasn't even interviewed yet, but from what I've seen, he definitely has a handle on the situation here.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 05, 2016, 11:44:04 AM
mcdermott "makes sense"...but weren't there some reports that he's another egotistical ahole  ??? 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 05, 2016, 11:52:54 AM
Only thing I heard was from Jay claiming there was reports of bad blood between him and the eagles. Which seemed unlikely.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 05, 2016, 11:58:38 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 05, 2016, 11:14:17 AM
NFL reportedly looking into the Eagles' Rooney Rule shenanigans.

Have any sources there, homey? I'm curious to see how they are being investigated before they even get close to completing the process.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 05, 2016, 12:12:35 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605162-insider-buzz-nfl-troubled-by-eagles-head-coaching-interview-with-duce-staley

Sorry, they're 'troubled' not yet investigating.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 12:38:40 PM
im all the way IN on gase
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 05, 2016, 11:52:54 AM
Only thing I heard was from Jay claiming there was reports of bad blood between him and the eagles. Which seemed unlikely.

I think I heard it from Uncle Lester Bowen
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 12:38:40 PM
im all the way IN on gase

He makes me nervous. I don't know why - can't put my finger on it. Maybe the young up and coming coordinator thing with McDaniels in Denver has jaded me a bit
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 05, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
so 1 situation that didnt work out 6 years ago means the eagles shouldnt hire gase

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 01:14:13 PM
hes a slightly younger more qualified andy reid....i think andy was 40 when he was hired but he also had never been a coordinator
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 05, 2016, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
so 1 situation that didnt work out 6 years ago means the eagles shouldnt hire gase

yes, only 1 coordinator who was made head coach didn't work ever
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 05, 2016, 01:16:11 PM
unless they go with an out of the box candidate, theyre picking from the same pool that 6 other teams are picking from

nobody wanted bruce arians...people kept passing on mike zimmer....mike mccarthy happens to work for an organization that would promote from within than succeed....chip kelly is a genius

nobody knows what the farg theyre doing
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 05, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
so 1 situation that didnt work out 6 years ago means the eagles shouldnt hire gase

No not at all - he's just the guy I think of.

I'm curious as to why he's igys top guy
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 05, 2016, 02:43:48 PM
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=%2Fphilly%2Fblogs%2Fpattisonave&id=364241221

McDermott basically saying he wants in.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 02:48:23 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
No not at all - he's just the guy I think of.

I'm curious as to why he's igys top guy

did a couple days of googling him....i love everything ive read and heard
seems like a brilliant guy but not a psychopath like chip
a players coach but not a meathead like rex ryan or jack del rio
he would bring a strong form of intellect mixed with fresh youthful leadership that will carry this franchise all. the. way.

also while i am not completely against it...i would prefer to not have a retread
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 05, 2016, 02:56:03 PM
is hue a "retread"

1 season at a dysfunctional place with a maniac owner?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
i just dont know what hue jackson has ever really done that would make anyone think hed be a great coach...his resume is underwhelming...i dont have anything against him but hes less than impressive to me...just another cat
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 05, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
i just dont know what hue jackson has ever really done that would make anyone think hed be a great coach...his resume is underwhelming...i dont have anything against him but hes less than impressive to me...just another cat

I just checked his "resume" and he's not nearly as bland as I thought he might be.  Pretty wide ranging experience as various position coaches and a few different stints as OC.  Raiders offense actually wasn't bad under him at all.  6th in the NFL in pts per game, 10th in total offense in 2010 when he was their OC in 2010.  And he had them at 7-4 as a HC before things went to hell and they finished 8-8 when he was a HC.  Given the total dysfunctionality of the Raiders at that point, I'd probably be inclined to give him a bit of a pass.  And I don't really remember what happened to that team to cause a 1-4 slide at the end of the year. 

Not saying I'm on the Hue Jackson bandwagon by any means, just that he's got a lot of stink on him for being associated with the Raiders and Spurrier and Petrino, so he may not be a bad option. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 05, 2016, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 12:38:40 PM
im all the way IN on gase

Agree.  I am in.  Hearing very good things about this guy.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 04:07:59 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 05, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 05, 2016, 03:04:14 PM
i just dont know what hue jackson has ever really done that would make anyone think hed be a great coach...his resume is underwhelming...i dont have anything against him but hes less than impressive to me...just another cat

I just checked his "resume" and he's not nearly as bland as I thought he might be.  Pretty wide ranging experience as various position coaches and a few different stints as OC.  Raiders offense actually wasn't bad under him at all.  6th in the NFL in pts per game, 10th in total offense in 2010 when he was their OC in 2010.  And he had them at 7-4 as a HC before things went to hell and they finished 8-8 when he was a HC.  Given the total dysfunctionality of the Raiders at that point, I'd probably be inclined to give him a bit of a pass.  And I don't really remember what happened to that team to cause a 1-4 slide at the end of the year. 

Not saying I'm on the Hue Jackson bandwagon by any means, just that he's got a lot of stink on him for being associated with the Raiders and Spurrier and Petrino, so he may not be a bad option. 

might be a reason he only gets hired by shtein organizations

hue Jackson is about as forgettable a hire as you could have
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 05, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
I'm down to mcdermott or gase.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: BigEd76 on January 05, 2016, 04:09:07 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 04, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
Doug Marrone is joining the list (again, was interviewed before Chip was hired in 2013).

He quit on the Bills and I'll vote no on him too

Roob says Marrone isn't a candidate
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
Good. Half the dopes they're interviewing shouldn't be

I'm not totally opposed to Gase.

I've got Hue and McDermott real close in my want rankings

Payton is still the top dog despite him never having a solid defense
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 05, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
be honest, youd take chip back
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 11:11:54 PM
No

I want to see your boy Howie win us a Bowl
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 06:44:45 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
Good. Half the dopes they're interviewing shouldn't be

I'm not totally opposed to Gase.

I've got Hue and McDermott real close in my want rankings

Payton is still the top dog despite him never having a solid defense

he had two top ten defenses but that's neither here nor there

He's never coached without Drew Bree's and that dome was very kind to them

I'm certainly not against him but I wouldn't give up anything for him either
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 06, 2016, 08:18:50 AM
Gargano talked a lot this morning about Pederson and he thinks he will be the guy.  He laid out a logical case and I'm sure he's getting most of his information from someone inside the org because Shefter came on and pretty much agreed with everything he said.  It comes back to the fact that Lurie is "shook up" from the Chip Kelly experience and wants to go back to something safe.  He knows that Andy was his best pick and someone from his staff would be comfrotable to Jeff.  Andy has been talking to Jeff and selling Pederson to him. 

Shefter agreed with all that but also said they are very intrigued by Gase because he is a good offensive mind. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 08:30:44 AM
the irony of all that is that andy was a complete unknown and "unsafe" pick when he was hired.....really even more so than chip....chip was a huge name who almost everyone agreed was a good hire at the time

also that doesnt make sense unless lurie is a straight faced liar cause all he said at the presser was how the eagles will continue to think outside the box and will never be an organization to just settle or not have forward thinking
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 09:29:33 AM
take it for what its worth but some cat from the fanatic ive never heard of just reported this...

Eagles and Gase seemed to have hit it off with their first meeting. MIA & CLE would have to "blow him away" for PHL not to be his 1st choice
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:10:28 AM
should have never left novacare...

Quote
Who is Adam Gase, and why does every team with an opening want to hire him?

One of the primary reasons, in two words: Jay Cutler.

Gase is the miracle worker who turned Cutler from one of the great turnover machines in recent NFL history into a player the Bears want to center their offense around.

Under Gase, Cutler finished the year with a career-best passer rating of 92.3 and only 11 interceptions—and he did it with an offense missing key components to injury all season. Cutler had averaged 18 interceptions per 16 games and had an 84.3 rating in his previous six seasons with the Bears. He led the league in interceptions twice, including last year, pre-Gase.

"The system is really good," Cutler told the Chicago Sun-Times' Adam Jahns. "This is the best system I've been in in my entire career. Denver was really good, a little bit different than this one. Defenses have changed. Adam's system has kind of changed and kept up with the times of what's being presented defensively and how to take advantage of those types of things."

Cutler went on to explain that Gase does what every good coordinator and play-caller does: He steals various ideas—some modern, some going back decades—and blends them all into a delicious mix.

The result? One general manager told Bleacher Report that Gase is "the new Sean Payton," another coach known for his adaptability and creativity when it comes to designing plays and systems.

I'm told he is either at the top, or near the top, of every team's list (Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson is up there on lists as well). The reason is pretty easy to digest. It's a quarterback league, and if he can transform Cutler into a studious pro who doesn't make consistently dumb mistakes, what can't he do?

Remember, Gase's previous job was with the Broncos, as quarterbacks coach and then offensive coordinator helping Peyton Manning and Co. obliterate records.

If you want to understand the importance of someone like Gase or Jackson, look no further than some of the extremely crappy quarterback play we've seen this year. For every piece of genius we've seen from Cam Newton, Russell Wilson or Carson Palmer, there was a Matt Cassel.

What teams see in Gase (and Jackson has done this, too, with Andy Dalton and backup AJ McCarron) is a coach who can make make chicken salad out of chicken crap—make almost any quarterback better. And if that quarterback happens to be talented, Gase's system and abilities will make a great player even better.

This is why Gase has his pick of almost any job open.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 06, 2016, 10:12:42 AM
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/01/05/candidate-review-former-players-on-adam-gase/

some more on gase. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 06, 2016, 10:14:27 AM
i think schefter basically said the eagles just dont want to zero in on someone like they did with chip...they liked gase and all, but want to talk to a ton of people before hiring someone that will eventually hate howie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:15:36 AM
if you feel like searching for it theres also lots of good old stuff on him in the denver post and the chicago newspapers from before he became a coaching candidate
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 06, 2016, 10:24:42 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:15:36 AM
if you feel like searching for it theres also lots of good old stuff on him in the denver post and the chicago newspapers from before he became a coaching candidate

you right now

(http://ritter19646.c4.cmdwebsites.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/pres13.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:28:48 AM
rappaport reporting hes coming back for a second interview this weekend
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 06, 2016, 10:30:56 AM
good news.
seems like he's a qb guru...the kind of coach who could elevate sanchez to the next level! 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
Quote from: hunt on January 06, 2016, 10:30:56 AM
good news.
seems like he's a qb guru...the kind of coach who could elevate sanchez to the next level!

good news if he makes it back...hes got three interviews before then including the giants on friday
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 06, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Quote...if he can transform Cutler into a studious pro who doesn't make consistently dumb mistakes, what can't he do?

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/11/mark-sanchez-nfl-carolina-panthers-philadelphia-eagles3-850x560.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 06, 2016, 11:05:52 AM
I guess that the FO slobbered all over the guy, and he got out of there just to see if he can field any better offers. If he makes it back this weekend, it will be on his terms, to make a deal that Jeffrey can't refuse.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 12:34:31 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 06, 2016, 08:18:50 AM
Gargano talked a lot this morning about Pederson and he thinks he will be the guy.  He laid out a logical case and I'm sure he's getting most of his information from someone inside the org because Shefter came on and pretty much agreed with everything he said.  It comes back to the fact that Lurie is "shook up" from the Chip Kelly experience and wants to go back to something safe.  He knows that Andy was his best pick and someone from his staff would be comfrotable to Jeff.  Andy has been talking to Jeff and selling Pederson to him. 

Shefter agreed with all that but also said they are very intrigued by Gase because he is a good offensive mind.

Pederson is someone I would prefer them to not hire. Everything there makes sense when laying the case for him but still...I would prefer Shumur before him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 06, 2016, 01:02:44 PM
Why shumur over Pederson ?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 01:12:55 PM
pederson doesnt seem like any kind of offensive mind...in fact it feels like he has little responsibility at all...he just seems like the guy who goes and gets andys porterhouses at lunch and who got the OC position and a job in the nfl at all simply because andy likes him

i have no idea why anyone would hire him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 06, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
Doug Pederson = Brad Childress.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
not a terrible comparison but childress at least had some successful burn in college and had been around for a while

andy pulled pederson off the streets a couple years ago
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 06, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
Didn't he have Pederson on his staff in Philly?  Thought he hired him in some capacity almost immediately after he retired.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 01:39:45 PM
he hired him from some high school he was working at...who knows if it was even as a coach...he could have been janitor for all anyone knows

and i think in his last year as eagles coach
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 01:53:18 PM
Yeah he was the QB coach in 11-12, I think.

But he's the definition of "just a guy". He's never run an offense or called plays.

Shurmur, although still relatively vanilla, at least has been a playcaller and a head coach.

Not championing Shurmur but if given the choice between the two I go with him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 02:02:14 PM
Bovada odds

Shurmur and Gase are 3-1
McDermott and Pederson are 6-1

Chip is the top odds getter for the SF job
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 06, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Pederson would be Duce level shocking. Otherwise those odds sound about right to me.

The good news is that based on the rumor mill, Gase really wants the job, and based on his radio appearance, it sounds like McDermott really wants the job. Unless the Giants capture Gase, it seems like either one could be had if they are the Birds' first choice.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 06, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
Macadoo is coming in for an interview but i don't want him and hist stupid sunglasses here
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 06, 2016, 02:59:34 PM
Saints say Payton is staying in NO.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 03:02:13 PM
would have been nice if they waited until after the gase interviews this week to announce it
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 06, 2016, 02:13:09 PM
Macadoo is coming in for an interview but i don't want him and hist stupid sunglasses here

and his stupid mustache too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
QuoteThe Fins will make a strong, strong push for Adam Gase I'm told. Been locked on him for a while. Will try to keep from getting back to PHI
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 06, 2016, 08:39:57 PM
all setting up for HUE
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 09:29:56 PM
everyone drooling over this son of a bitch...pretty sure eagles have no chance now but it would be a proud moment if they pulled this off

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/cleveland_browns_interview_ada.html
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 09:43:49 PM
Why wouldn't they have a chance now? Because of Cleveland and Miami?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:08:46 PM
giants too

Miami is a better job...Cleveland isn't but gase loves Haslem and they will pay more....that said head to head they might beat either one....but no way the Eagles beat the field...I hope I'm wrong cause gase is obviously my man but it just doesn't happen to the Eagles
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

What connection does Gase have to Haslem to make him love him?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 06, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
Quietly the Miami job might be the hardest to work a turnaround in. They don't have a pot to piss in after the Tannehill and Suh contracts, and the division is rough. I could see NY and Tenn being more desirable than Philly, but I guess it all depends on what an individual coach is looking for, the personal connections he might have, and of course money.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 10:43:25 PM
Haslem tried to get him a couple years ago and they built a relationship from there

well for starters Miami has the city Miami which makes it better but they also have a qb to work with...if Bradford was locked in and gase  liked cold gritty northeast cities over south beach then Eagles would have an advantage but I doubt he will

the X factor is maybe howie and Jeff put on a better sell than everyone else and blow him away...you see those two wowing anyone tho much less doing it better than everyone else
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
I can see the Giants being more desirable but not Tennessee.

I look at it from ownership and FO stability. Which the Eagles have in Lurie but not in the FO. But Cleveland is a mess and that has to be factored in whether he likes Haslem or not. Miami doesn't have ownership or FO stability either.

Tampa opening up could be a game changer
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 06, 2016, 11:07:22 PM
not sure you should be saying Jeff and howie are better than anyone right now after the catastrophe with chip including Cleveland

they certainly aren't so much better than anyone else that it would be a deal maker

another factor is that Cleveland and Miami have top ten picks coming up...miamis is eight and your not going to choose a team cause they pick five spots higher than another but it is a check in their column....Cleveland at two is pretty big tho

again I'm not saying any of these are necessarily way better and some you can argue aren't better at all but put them all together against the birds and I just don't see them coming out on top
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 06, 2016, 11:28:36 PM
not saying the eagles are some kind of heaven, but miami is an organizational mess and you gotta get past the coach that was barely above chip in j's rankings 2 seconds ago

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 07, 2016, 06:22:34 AM
Cleveland, Miami and the Giants are better choices than the Eagles?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/67/f3/05/67f3053febdf5048ef696e87537c9e55.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 06, 2016, 11:28:36 PM
not saying the eagles are some kind of heaven, but miami is an organizational mess and you gotta get past the coach that was barely above chip in j's rankings 2 seconds ago

I don't see how Miami is any more of an organizational mess than the eagles...I wouldn't categorize either as a mess...but whatever state you'd describe them in one is really no different than the other...shtein most of this board was killing jeffy last week for  not knowing what he was doing having vague player personnel by committee thing with howie and who knows who else...there's also the issue of everyone fearing whether anyone wants to work with howie

I don't personally buy into that stuff as much as most but the same people who kill jeffy and have these worries are the same people acting like the Eagles are better than anyone else

if the Eagles are going to beat Miami then it's going to be primarily on presentation...lurie and howie are going to have to do a great sell job...things like passion of the fanbase sports crazed town and hope those intangibles matter to gase...Eagles also have an advantage over most teams in facilities...that def helps
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 08:45:53 AM
I didn't say Howie was better

Go re-read
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
so howie is a complete disaster and lurie is an idiot for having him as his right hand man but the eagle FO is def better than the dolphins

i guess you must think don smolenski is the best president in all of sports then
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 09:27:00 AM
Howie is Lurie's blind spot

Other than that Lurie is a good owner and well respected

Or do you disagree with that too?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:28:51 AM
i like both lurie and howie better than you....im just confused how howie can be so awful but the eagles have a more desireable FO....you do know that howie will be the new coaches boss?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 07, 2016, 09:29:56 AM
WIP guy (DeGaetano) is saying that Gase has an offer in hand from these guys:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZAKfJV9.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 07, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
If you told me those three were starring in some zesty comedy about a mid-life crisis I'd believe you.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
im not 100% saying thats untrue...but it sure sounds like a false leak by an agent to get all the other gase fanboys to up their ante...certainly the eagles would never release that info
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 09:37:17 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:28:51 AM
i like both lurie and howie better than you....im just confused how howie can be so awful but the eagles have a more desireable FO....you do know that howie will be the new coaches boss?

I give up
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 07, 2016, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
im not 100% saying thats untrue...but it sure sounds like a false leak by an agent to get all the other gase fanboys to up their ante...certainly the eagles would never release that info

Yeah, they've been known to play the media a little themselves. But it does fall in line with my reasoning posted before. They like him, and he's making sure there isn't something better before he returns for that second "interview." If he does come back, it will be to accept the offer and do all the photo op fan handjob nonsense.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 07, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
Love it if it's true.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:47:32 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 07, 2016, 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
im not 100% saying thats untrue...but it sure sounds like a false leak by an agent to get all the other gase fanboys to up their ante...certainly the eagles would never release that info

Yeah, they've been known to play the media a little themselves. But it does fall in line with my reasoning posted before. They like him, and he's making sure there isn't something better before he returns for that second "interview." If he does come back, it will be to accept the offer and do all the photo op fan handjob nonsense.

yeah if he comes back clearly hes gonna be the guy....i hate this leak tho whether true or not...because if miami likes him as much as reported then they are going to try and super blow him away now...cleveland as well will probably up their offer...one good sign is that while the giants are interviewing him i have heard nothing that says they like him any more or less than any other candidate

this is maddening...just get the farger
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 07, 2016, 10:21:23 AM
maybe Gase is a future stud coach but it's weird that they don't appear to be waiting to interview any of the playoff coordinators like mcdaniels, patricia, bevell, jackson, etc.

just seems like the kid at the store who's mom give him $5 to spend and he buys the first thing he sees without looking around.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 10:30:22 AM
its not exactly a star studded pool....altho the new england guys are somewhat suprising...cept i read that because belly is so close to chip that he would not not let them but def recommend that they shy away from the eagles

also have any of the NE guys interviewed with anyone?...i dont know his history in regards to this but maybe belly doesnt let his coaches interview during the bye week because he thinks its a distraction?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 07, 2016, 10:35:00 AM
yeah, it's entirely possible bellichek doesn't allow that to happen.

on twitter fox sports reported that the eagles requested permission to interview Koetter
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 07, 2016, 11:25:52 AM
Eagles requested to interview Guenther but haven't scheduled anything yet according to rapoport.

Pederson is interviewing on Sunday per lacanfora
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 11:27:07 AM
The Dolphins are trying to interview McDaniels and Patricia, that's the only news I've heard about the NE assistants. I can't remember ever hearing about the team or Belichick not allowing their guys to interview or discouraging them.

I don't think Twitter rumors are going to affect what Cleveland and Miami offer Gase, they already know he's scheduled to come back to Philly and can probably figure out that if they let him return, it's game over.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 07, 2016, 11:32:51 AM
I'm not sold on anything coming from the Belicheat coaching tree. Maybe it's worth a chat, but to date, has anybody from that camp done anything great?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2016, 11:39:47 AM
Not that I'm aware of. They haven't even done well in college.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 11:53:41 AM
Quote from: SunMo on January 07, 2016, 11:25:52 AM
Eagles requested to interview Guenther but haven't scheduled anything yet according to rapoport.
Pederson is interviewing on Sunday per lacanfora

i refuse to believe this is anything more than lurie doing andy a solid...this shtein is getting cancelled anyway
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2016, 11:39:47 AM
Not that I'm aware of. They haven't even done well in college.

Saban's done okay in college.

I think all of his guys have been brutal in the NFL though. I guess the jury is still out on O'Brien, he's done better than expected with very little going for his teams.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 12:06:19 PM
obrien worked a miracle at penn state
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 12:17:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 12:06:19 PM
obrien worked a miracle at penn state

And he's had two winning records in Houston with sub-Sanchez level QBs. Still, I don't know if he's a perennial championship contender with the right talent around him, or he's just a specialist in maximizing the potential of bad teams. So far, so good though.

The Eagles could have had him if he had been willing to cut and run at Penn State one year earlier. Deal could have been done before Chip changed his mind.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 07, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 12:17:07 PM
And he's had two winning records in Houston with sub-Bradford level QBs.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 07, 2016, 12:48:28 PM
Reports out now that they are going to interview Guenther and Bucs OC Koetter. Speculation I heard on Mike and Mike this morning was that the Bucs org feared that Koetter (who they love) would bail for a HC job, so that's why they dropped Lovie Smith. I'm curious to see how that soap opera plays out.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 01:30:02 PM
as the coaching world turns: roob wrote a piece on how there is no second gase interview
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 07, 2016, 11:39:47 AM
Not that I'm aware of. They haven't even done well in college.

Saban's done okay in college.

I think all of his guys have been brutal in the NFL though. I guess the jury is still out on O'Brien, he's done better than expected with very little going for his teams.

Forgot about BOB. Didn't even know Saban worked under BB.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Still haven't scheduled anything with Hue or McDermott

Koetter isn't someone I'd want

You guys ready for that Pederson introductory PC?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
this thing could actually be the coach of the eagles

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYKBdv7WAAA0VLx.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hbionic on January 07, 2016, 08:26:34 PM
What is that?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
this thing could actually be the coach of the eagles

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYKBdv7WAAA0VLx.jpg)

Find the one with him in his goofy sunglasses just to make Sunny happy

I just read from Domo that Gruden wants the job and has reached out to Lurie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 07, 2016, 08:47:44 PM
10 years too late for chucky. and i like him.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 07, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 08:38:06 PM
I just read from Domo that Gruden wants the job and has reached out to Lurie

This better not be bullshtein.  If it is, I'm gonna kick so much Texas ass...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 07, 2016, 08:50:57 PM
who is that molestor up there?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 07, 2016, 08:51:19 PM
molester? i've never written that word before.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 07, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
looks like a flobie molested his hair
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 07, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
I no see nothing.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 07, 2016, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 08:38:06 PM
I just read from Domo that Gruden wants the job and has reached out to Lurie

This better not be bullshtein.  If it is, I'm gonna kick so much Texas ass...

So says Domo

Hopefully Gruden learned to run a wide open offense and not that dink and dunk shtein
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
Eskin is on the case

Said Gruden told him he wasn't interested
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 07, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 07, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
Eskin is on the case

Said Gruden told him he wasn't interested

So Gruden will be announced as HC tomorrow or Saturday?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Chameleon on January 07, 2016, 11:11:49 PM
Non of this matters if Roseman is still around. Lurie and Roseman are the problem.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 08, 2016, 07:43:39 AM
Quote from: SD on December 30, 2015, 07:10:50 AM
Calling it right now...not saying I agree with it...but the next coach will be Jon Gruden

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 08, 2016, 07:56:13 AM
I can't say this loud enough or clearly enough but I'm going to try.

farg John Gruden.

If that farging clown is ever hired by the eagles I am cashing in my chips and going the farg home.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 08, 2016, 08:59:07 AM
don't cash your chips in bro. please.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 09:46:26 AM
I am not a Gruden fan...he was big time overrated and his offenses sucked
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 08, 2016, 09:54:42 AM
same...not a fan of his. 
he's a "name" & has ties to the eagles...but i'm hoping he's not the choice.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 08, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
The longer he's been in the booth, the less I've wanted him. He's been living large the last few years. Gotta be hard to go back to working 20 hrs a day after you've been out of the game that long. Granted, Vermeil did it. Parcells did it. So there's really no logical reason to think Chuckie couldn't do it other than the fact that those types of things don't happen in Philly. I think I'd just rather have someone young and hungry.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 10:18:49 AM
him cold calling Jeff to try and sell himself for the job shows how little is thought of the Eagles right now
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 08, 2016, 12:56:50 PM
Pretty much. It's all on lurie too
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 08, 2016, 01:18:15 PM
There are two people associated with the nfl that I outright hate.

Goodell and Gruden. That's the list.

Scott Young has finally been out of the league long enough to be dropped from the list.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I like Gruden in the booth...not as a HC
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 01:51:04 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 10:18:49 AM
him cold calling Jeff to try and sell himself for the job shows how little is thought of the Eagles right now

I want to hear your reasoning on this
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
either you are very naive or in more denial than i ever thought but either way im not explaining it to you
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 08, 2016, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I like Gruden in the booth...

You cannot be farging serious. He is worse than any color man I've ever heard. Everyone is 'the greatest' or 'the hardest working' or 'the most impressive' or 'amazing' or 'incredible'. He's a farging moron who has ruined monday night football. I keep the broadcast on mute or don't watch.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 08, 2016, 03:40:32 PM
Keeping the broadcast on mute improves every game, though.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Munson on January 08, 2016, 03:47:58 PM
MNF needs more JAWS
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 08, 2016, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 08, 2016, 02:59:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I like Gruden in the booth...

You cannot be farging serious. He is worse than any color man I've ever heard. Everyone is 'the greatest' or 'the hardest working' or 'the most impressive' or 'amazing' or 'incredible'. He's a farging moron who has ruined monday night football. I keep the broadcast on mute or don't watch.

"He leads the league in grit"
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 04:22:57 PM
hes so bad at mnf that hes good...everything rjs says is 100% true but gruden is so awful and over the top that he cracks me up and actually makes the game which is usually awful somewhat entertaining

the best of gruden tho is on his draft camp shows in the offseason...holy shtein is he a clown on that but its such a great thing to watch
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 04:47:55 PM
Yeah he's entertaining...much more colorful than some of the drones they trot out there on other broadcasts
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SunMo on January 08, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
Phil Simms is the worst by 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 08, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
if peyton manning wants that job i wonder if theyll use it as the excuse to bounce nantz and simms....its an unbearable bad pairing
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 08, 2016, 05:05:23 PM
The thing about Gruden on MNF is that no matter which player he's talking about, he talks about them as if they are the best player to ever step on the field, or as if he's the leagues best kept secret if its a lesser known player. And god forbid he call Charles Tillman anything besides peanut.  It's like he's constantly trying to remind everyone that he knows that Tillman has a nickname....like the rest of us could possibly forget.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
Phil Simms is the worst by 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%

about 10-15 times a game sims is straight up wrong on something...and not like a bad opinion but literally wrong and rarely will he ever correct it...he just goes on like nothing happened
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 08, 2016, 05:41:39 PM
Chucky is an idiot and an insult to the intelligence of his audience and needs to die in a fire. Full stop.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
Phil Simms is the worst by 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%

Yeah...he's farging awful

Put him and Dick Stockton on a call and the world would end
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 08, 2016, 06:19:04 PM
Simms really is the worst color NFL guy and it's mind-boggling that he's on the #1 CBS team when he shouldn't have a job at all. He gets progressively worse each year too. I guess it's name recognition, which is pretty sad when you've got an alltime great QB like Dan Fouts on one of the lower teams. If only Fouts had played in New York.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
hue jackson to san fran and gase to miami seem to be locks

doug pederson train full steam ahead wooooo wooooooo
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 08, 2016, 08:27:18 PM
For whatever reason they showed no interest in Hue

Probably bc he's a strong willed dude and that ain't happening on Howie's watch

And yeah Gase seems to be going to MIA

Still no McDermott interview either
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 08, 2016, 08:30:16 PM
Head coaching searches are such a crap shoot. I have no reason to believe Gase will be a better head coach than Pederson or vice versa. You pick a guy you like and hope for the best. I can't say Pederson will be a bad hire. I'm willing to give him a shot.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
I agree if all things are equal or even near equal its a crap shoot....but pederson is not close to being equal with anyone on the market....his resume and experience is as underwhelming as it gets...he might be ready to be a real coordinator....cant imagine hes ready to run a team....doesn't mean gase will be good but pederson gives you the worst possible chance imo

also college coaches with no pro experience aren't a crap shoot they are a virtual certainty to suck...its one of the reasons I knew chip would fail
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 08, 2016, 08:55:07 PM
I honestly think at the end of the day, some people have head coaching in their blood and some don't. Resume or not. The only way to know is to hire them and cross your fingers. I like what Gase has done with offenses, but that doesn't mean he will cut it as the head guy.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:12:03 PM
Pederson could have bellichek blood running thru his veins but if hes not ready to be a coach at this level yet it doesn't matter

also does nick saban or steve spurrier two failures at this level have it in their veins?

are you born with the ability to be an nfl head coach but not a college or high school?

think about this too....there are a ton of openings this year....has Pederson even been falsely connected to anyone in the nfl other than the team andy reids ex boss owns?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 08, 2016, 09:23:40 PM
I'd seriously prefer Duce over Pederson. If nothing else, Duce has some cache with the fans and they'd likely be more patient while he cuts his teeth. Pederson just seems like he'd be uber vanilla and a boring hire.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 08, 2016, 09:34:00 PM
Dear god no on Pederson. I'd take McDermott/Gruden/whoever over him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:40:34 PM
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/1/7/10728512/chiefs-oc-doug-pederson-says-he-hasnt-heard-from-any-teams-for
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 08, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:12:03 PM
Pederson could have bellichek blood running thru his veins but if hes not ready to be a coach at this level yet it doesn't matter

also does nick saban or steve spurrier two failures at this level have it in their veins?

are you born with the ability to be an nfl head coach but not a college or high school?

think about this too....there are a ton of openings this year....has Pederson even been falsely connected to anyone in the nfl other than the team andy reids ex boss owns?

That's true, no one else has been connected with him, but most teams are stupid with hires anyway. I'm not saying I want Pederson, or even think he's a good coach, but we throw all these resume stuff out there, different criteria, and in the end none of it usually ends up mattering. Mike Tomlin and Andy Reid weren't sought out widely, but have been two of the most successful coaches of the past decade+ in the NFL.

Honestly, none of these candidates blow me away. If they pick Pederson I'll be fine with it. If Sean Payton was a free agent coach, that would be one thing, but he isn't. Quite often, the "hot names" don't often work out. I have no idea how qualified Pederson is or isn't. I've never been around the guy.

I've always been interested in Josh McDaniels, if he proved he learned from his mistakes in Denver. I'm surprised no one has interviewed him yet.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Quote from: SD on January 08, 2016, 09:34:00 PM
Dear god no on Pederson. I'd take McDermott/Gruden/whoever over him

as horrific a hire as it would be in itself im with sarge id take duce over pederson....if you are going to make a terrible hire of an ex eagle gimme the legendary one

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
Quote from: AshishPatel81 on January 08, 2016, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 09:12:03 PM
Pederson could have bellichek blood running thru his veins but if hes not ready to be a coach at this level yet it doesn't matter

also does nick saban or steve spurrier two failures at this level have it in their veins?

are you born with the ability to be an nfl head coach but not a college or high school?

think about this too....there are a ton of openings this year....has Pederson even been falsely connected to anyone in the nfl other than the team andy reids ex boss owns?

That's true, no one else has been connected with him, but most teams are stupid with hires anyway. I'm not saying I want Pederson, or even think he's a good coach, but we throw all these resume stuff out there, different criteria, and in the end none of it usually ends up mattering. Mike Tomlin and Andy Reid weren't sought out widely, but have been two of the most successful coaches of the past decade+ in the NFL.

Honestly, none of these candidates blow me away. If they pick Pederson I'll be fine with it. If Sean Payton was a free agent coach, that would be one thing, but he isn't. Quite often, the "hot names" don't often work out. I have no idea how qualified Pederson is or isn't. I've never been around the guy.

I've always been interested in Josh McDaniels, if he proved he learned from his mistakes in Denver. I'm surprised no one has interviewed him yet.

again I agree with everything you said except if Pederson was hired I have to believe he would have the worst resume in the modern history of coaching hires...hes on another level of inexperienced or not sought out...hes not close to adam gase and gase would be a risky hire

if the birds hired a coach then hired Pederson as their OC I probably would even question that a little...head coach....hell farging no

if hes hired I have to believe its because after chip they want the ultimate yes man...and because Pederson carries absolutely no weight that's what he would be...I mean even he would be shocked to be a hc in the nfl this year

I still believe this is a favor to andy and they really have no intention of hiring him

I also like the idea of mcdaniels....he is my number 2 behind gase...but i cant see a patriot coach going to philly
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 08, 2016, 10:01:07 PM
I want no parts of a Patriots coach, or an Andy Reid offensive coach for that matter. Except Duce, because farg it.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 08, 2016, 10:04:33 PM
just hire ray rhodes again
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 08, 2016, 10:07:27 PM
Ray Farmer's available for that GM spot.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 08, 2016, 10:09:49 PM
ray rhodes - hc
dana bible - oc
billy d - dc
j - stc
howie - gm

who says no
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 10:20:32 PM
j - qb coach so he can work with sanchize
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 08, 2016, 10:54:20 PM
The last two outside the box hires were Marc Trestman and Jim Tomsula.

At no point during their short reigns did either one look like they had any idea what they were doing.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:09:21 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 08, 2016, 10:20:32 PM
j - qb coach so he can work with sanchize

Lolol
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 09, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 08, 2016, 10:04:33 PM
just hire ray rhodes again

That's about where we're headed.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:13:20 AM
Today's Gruden quality rumor is Tom Coughlin (would require permission from Giants).
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:15:51 AM
Already interviewed:

Duce Staley, Eagles RB coach
Pat Shurmur, Eagles OC
Adam Gase, Bears OC - hired by Dolphins
Ben McAdoo, Giants OC - hired by Giants
Doug Pederson, Chiefs OC
Tom Coughlin, former Giants coach - withdrew from consideration

Just keeping info in one place. No rumors, only solid reports. Will add new names when applicable and cross off guys when someone else hires them.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on January 09, 2016, 08:24:31 AM
My man.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 09, 2016, 08:26:05 AM
Coughlin now?  Really??

What in the actual farg is this team doing?  Can you imagine Coughlin having to deal with that greasy little pipsqueak, Howie?

Hilarious.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:35:10 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:15:51 AM
Already interviewed:

Duce Staley, Eagles RB coach
Pat Shurmur, Eagles OC
Adam Gase, Bears OC
Ben McAdoo, Giants OC

Reportedly going to be interviewed:

Doug Pederson, Chiefs OC
Teryl Austin, Lions DC
Dirk Koetter, Bucs OC
Paul Guenther, Bengals DC
Tom Coughlin, former Giants coach

Schefter's now saying the Coughlin interview is likely happening on Monday. The shtein's for real I guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 08:59:21 AM
so a guy who hasnt coached anywhere for almost ten years is blindly contacting the owner thinking he can talk him into giving you the job and the next two interviews are a guy who a couple years ago was a quality control officer and a 70 year old

I hated the chip hire but at least they identified a next level guy they wanted and went for it....this now is a deer in the headlights shtein show
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 09:20:38 AM
rappaport reporting that the coughlin thing is more of a meeting than an interview

the eagles probably just want to ask a proven winner who carries around as much respect as you can get in the game: "so tom, how do we go about not sucking?"
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 10:08:20 AM
Fwiw, just saw a little blurb that says Gase has a 2nd interview scheduled with the Fins, so they weren't able to close on him. Eagles and Fins were the only teams listed as having a 2nd interview. So if he's your top choice, then I'd say things are looking good.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
gase is locked to Miami...hes gonna sign today at the second "interview"...its really a signing not an interview

also the eagles never had a second interview with him....that was a false report
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 09, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
Gase to the Fins looks like a lock

Mixed feelings on Coughlin. On one hand he has a proven track record, has 2 SBs under his belt, has a no nonsense approach yet his players don't despise him, think a QB like Bradford (assuming he's re-signed) could benefit under him, change of scenery would benefit him. On the flipside he's old and has had a rough past couple of seasons.

Coughlin isn't a PP guy, he might give some imput but that's never been his thing. He's a coach. I don't see him bumping heads with Howie.

If you were in on Payton and Harbaugh, I see no reason you wouldn't be in on Coughlin. None of the other candidates knock my socks off.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 10:25:21 AM
imo hiring coughlin would be an unmitigated disaster

I don't want my head coach to be in his 70's

the only exception to that might be if this was a case like the early 2000's where the eagles couldn't quite get over the hump...and you wanted someone like coughlin with a championship resume to come in and take that next step...but a middling team like the eagles who don't necessarily need to rebuild but also are nowhere close to being a contender I want something fresh

I could see coughlin coaching one year here going 5-11 and being like farg this im tired and I just wanna go fly fishing...peace out

then they gotta start all over
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
Yeah, no sooner than I posted that, I saw another report saying the deal is done with Miami.

Coughlin is weird in the sense that he is a good coach, but his 2 SB were both from out in left field. The Giants weren't dominant teams in either of those years, they just peaked at the right time. Maybe his coaching had something to do with that, but I have my doubts.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 10:38:20 AM
it wasn't signed yet of course but gase to Miami was done yesterday

Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 10:28:09 AM
Coughlin is weird in the sense that he is a good coach, but his 2 SB were both from out in left field. The Giants weren't dominant teams in either of those years, they just peaked at the right time. Maybe his coaching had something to do with that, but I have my doubts.

hes a great HOF coach theres no arguing that...to try and poke holes in his resume is silly

I just don't think hes a fit....I honestly cant even picture him in teal green next year especially after watching his presser...that cat bleeds big blue then two months later hes going to have an office at novacare?...I aint buying it....forget the age thing which is very concerning id be surprised if his heart was even it in from that standpoint

like I posted tho Rappaport is portraying this as a meeting of the minds....a feeling out session more than an interview...hopefully they just wanna pick his brain as sort of a consultant

either way wtf are the eagles doing?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 09, 2016, 10:54:00 AM
Considering how many times the Eagles kicked the Giants' asses when Coughlin was the coach, maybe he wants to experience a win for a change?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 10:38:20 AMeither way wtf are the eagles doing?

talking to as many people as they can...total knee jerk reaction from the chip debacle

last time around they only wanted chip and zeroed in on him. they had a clear ranking heading into all the interviews. this time around they dont have one and are just speaking to anyone, except for mcdermott.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 11:02:07 AM
they shouldn't be talking to people they wouldn't hire  and if they would consider hiring tom coughlin or doug Pederson then they are

finished

thru

DONE

as a franchise

so I ask again wtf are the eagles doing?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 09, 2016, 11:04:21 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2016, 10:56:56 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 10:38:20 AMeither way wtf are the eagles doing?

talking to as many people as they can...total knee jerk reaction from the chip debacle

last time around they only wanted chip and zeroed in on him. they had a clear ranking heading into all the interviews. this time around they dont have one and are just speaking to anyone, except for mcdermott.

Last time around they wanted Chip but they still interviewed everyone
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 11:05:34 AM
Pederson is even a worse look than Coughlin, he's a hanger-on to the guy they fired 3 years ago. Makes it look like they regret firing Andy and have been reduced to begging him for table scraps from his new organization.

I'm not even talking about the quality of the coaching here, just how it would look.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
like i said

pederson = favor to andy

coughlin = sit down with us for an afternoon and tell us how to not suck

they don't want either as their coach


im going full homer j on this and will not allow any negativity to enter my being
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 11:36:11 AM
Gase hired by Miami

Well then
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
thanks for the breaking news

btw that doesnt bother you does it...you had said he did nothing for you anyway
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
Gase would've been a better hire than anyone else on the market.   Impossible to read about him and not come away impressed.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
thanks for the breaking news

btw that doesnt bother you does it...you had said he did nothing for you anyway

Yeah I'm not bent by this. If he was hired I wouldn't have been mad but he wasn't my top choice

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Can't say I really have a top choice. I guess Gase was probably it, but the overall pool is so shallow and you never really know what you're getting to begin with that there's really no reason to get too attached to any single name.

I'll give pretty much anyone they hire a fair shake.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 12:17:59 PM
It's gotten to the point where I think I if I had to choose among all the guys currently linked to the Eagles, I would pick Shurmur. And that's not okay.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
I'm confused by the Coughlin thing tho

He's 69 and not a long term solution. He's a guy you bring in if your team is built and just needs a new voice to get over the hump.

Unless they're gonna install Duce as OC and knowing Coughlin is a 3yr coach so when he's done Duce is promoted
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
And I'm amused by the reactions to Gase being hired

Eagle fans are ripping the methodical process and acting like Gase was the end all be all candidate
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Unless they're gonna install Duce as OC

lol


other than mcdaniels and that's not going to happen there is nothing left that remotely excites me...its all about who I don't want now and Pederson coughlin top that list....oh hey...guess who is coming in this weekend?

id rather take a flyer on someone from the college ranks than hire one of those two
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 12:26:16 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
And I'm amused by the reactions to Gase being hired

Eagle fans are ripping the methodical process and acting like Gase was the end all be all candidate

anyone losing it because they are guaranteeing hes going to be the next bill walsh or something is going overboard but the point is that he could be that

im not flipping out about it just because I knew they wouldn't get him once everyone else was jumping in but he was the best guy on the market and more than anything represents a lot of HOPE...and when you have the history that the eagles do hope is about the most powerful aphrodisiac there is
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 09, 2016, 12:38:04 PM
I don't have any hope right now anyway.

Hire Todd for all I care...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
Unless they're gonna install Duce as OC

lol


other than mcdaniels and that's not going to happen there is nothing left that remotely excites me...its all about who I don't want now and Pederson coughlin top that list....oh hey...guess who is coming in this weekend?

id rather take a flyer on someone from the college ranks than hire one of those two

I mean why else would they hire a 69yr old? If they felt that their guy, be it Duce or anyone else who isn't quite ready, why not put in a dude who isn't gonna stick around long?

The only college dude I want is Shaw and he isn't coming

They need to get in on McDermott and Hue
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 01:05:43 PM
duce is not close to ready to be an OC and probably never will be
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 09, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
This looks like a bad year to be hiring coaches, which is fine because the Eagles are going to be bad for a couple seasons no matter who's coaching them. Hire a loser, wait out the stupid Chip player contracts, trade back in the draft and stockpile for 2017 or 2018 when you hire your real coach.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
duce played for the eagles!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 09, 2016, 01:17:25 PM
When did that happen?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
And there's lil guy chirping in with his nonsense.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 01:22:18 PM
haha
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
And there's lil guy chirping in with his nonsense.

do you think duce will be on the field or up in the box when hes oc?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:23:22 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:21:39 PM
And there's lil guy chirping in with his nonsense.

do you think duce will be on the field or up in the box when hes oc?

Your ability to drone on is republican like. Say it enough and maybe people will believe you
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:28:08 PM
im confused. youve brought up duce as an oc possibility no less than 15 times.

what am i getting people to believe?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:30:24 PM
That he's some magical candidate and it's all bc he's a good ex Eagle
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
pretty sure thats the only reason you are in on him....i mean youre not the only one....fanboys always have a soft spot for former players, especially good ones

ive asked you for a shred of evidence to suggest that a)hes a good coach b)he would be a good oc but the only answer i can come up with is the pickle juice game
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 01:39:05 PM
Mash mash mash score!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 09, 2016, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 01:39:05 PM
Mash mash mash score!

I'm sold, when can you start?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
pretty sure thats the only reason you are in on him....i mean youre not the only one....fanboys always have a soft spot for former players, especially good ones

ive asked you for a shred of evidence to suggest that a)hes a good coach b)he would be a good oc but the only answer i can come up with is the pickle juice game

I've already said its not and I even bumped my post where I said I don't believe he's ready. So you're either unable to read and comprehend or you do understand and just want to troll.

My point is and has been is it is obviously they like him. So if they have grand plans for the guy as someone they want in the organization this path makes sense.

I can point to people and players saying they like him. But like every candidate out there who has zero experience as a head guy none of us posting on a message board know whether they're bound for success.


Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 09, 2016, 01:45:04 PM
I'd coach the Eagles if it wouldn't cut into my :CF time.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:46:19 PM
Garafolo reportedly said if Coughlin is hired he wants to bring McAdoo as HC in waiting
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:44:49 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 09, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
pretty sure thats the only reason you are in on him....i mean youre not the only one....fanboys always have a soft spot for former players, especially good ones

ive asked you for a shred of evidence to suggest that a)hes a good coach b)he would be a good oc but the only answer i can come up with is the pickle juice game

I've already said its not and I even bumped my post where I said I don't believe he's ready. So you're either unable to read and comprehend or you do understand and just want to troll.

My point is and has been is it is obviously they like him. So if they have grand plans for the guy as someone they want in the organization this path makes sense.

I can point to people and players saying they like him. But like every candidate out there who has zero experience as a head guy none of us posting on a message board know whether they're bound for success.

you dont think hes ready but it "makes sense" to make him the oc
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:50:55 PM
There's no way you're this dumb
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 02:03:14 PM
Rapoport

At start of their search, #Eagles pursued #Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin, source said. He's told people he wants to stay in college now.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
id take sumlin a million times over coughlin

also how ironic is it that the best and most stable organization in the division is washington
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 09, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 01:50:55 PM
There's no way you're this dumb

i always like understanding different cultures...whether they be racial, ethnic, socioeconomic or homer

tell me where im going wrong
1. you love duce
2. you dont think duce is ready to be an oc or hc, but would like to see him remain on staff
3. duce played for the eagles
4. go eagles!
5. it "makes sense" for the eagles to name duce oc
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 09, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
It's so odd. This hire is incredibly important. If this hire busts, then you start to drift into that "laughing stock" zone where teams like Cleveland, Tennessee are who swap out coaches every 2-3 years. Say what you want about the Eagles and their flaws, but they are not a "laughing stock" organization... yet.

Unfortunately for them, I think it's likely no matter who they hire, they will be gone in a few years anyway. For one, not many great coaching options, and two, most coaches don't work out anyway based on odds. Which is why I like McDaniels. If you are going to gamble with a coach who will probably bust anyway, go with the brightest mind. McDaniels is a great offensive mind. He scored points in Denver with Kyle Orton. He just blew it with his Chip Kelly esque gutting of the roster, and apparently his players hated him.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 09, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
id take sumlin a million times over coughlin

also how ironic is it that the best and most stable organization in the division is washington

I think they beat the Packers too

Just imagine the Birds could have drafted Cousins but opted for Foles
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Tomahawk on January 09, 2016, 04:14:14 PM
Cousins is having a great year like Foles had...once.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 09, 2016, 05:04:42 PM
Watching this wildcard game and listening to Gruden's drivel is making me mad at all of you.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2016, 05:12:14 PM
Watching this game is explanation enough for why Bradford is going to get paid.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 09, 2016, 07:26:28 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
id take sumlin a million times over coughlin

also how ironic is it that the best and most stable organization in the division is washington

Well according to terd nation, Dallas would have been 15-1 and enjoying home field throughout  if Romo were healthy all season.  He's that amazing.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 09, 2016, 07:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2016, 05:12:14 PM
Watching this game is explanation enough for why Bradford is going to get paid.

No doubt.  Bradford is licking his chops watching this HOF performance by Hoyer.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 09, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
Lurie and his minions have arrived in KC to wait to meet with Pederson

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 10, 2016, 03:47:54 AM
Quote from: SD on January 09, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 09, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
id take sumlin a million times over coughlin

also how ironic is it that the best and most stable organization in the division is washington

I think they beat the Packers too

Just imagine the Birds could have drafted Cousins but opted for Foles

I totally forgot about that
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 10, 2016, 08:32:44 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 09, 2016, 05:12:14 PM
Watching this game is explanation enough for why Bradford is going to get paid.

Again, I tried to tell you guys that back in October.  Bradford is no Joe Montana but he's what passes for a franchise quarterback in 2016.  Eagles should just pay him whatever the farg he wants and be done with it.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 10, 2016, 12:16:34 PM
Today's the day. Doug E. Fresh interview.

Don't do it, Jeff.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
Is there a less attractive candidate than Pederson?  He could be the next hoodie for all I know, but there isn't any thing about him that screams HC material at this point. I don't think there's anyone I want less than him, so naturally that's who we'll be stuck with. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2016, 01:04:14 PM
I've resigned myself that they're going to hire Pederson

I'd prefer Coughlin
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 10, 2016, 01:05:36 PM
id prefer throwing the franchise into a volcano
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
Coughlin (short term hire) vs Pederson

Who ya got?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 10, 2016, 01:16:05 PM
pederson i guess....he will be a total failure but at least his heart will be in it
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
I think Coughlin would be into it...to stick it to Mara. He didn't seem happy with him on his departing press conference...walked right past him after speaking

Both of them are down my list of preferred choices tho

Lurie is all about a safe hire right now
Howie is all about regaining his power and having a yes coach

Pederson fits those
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 10, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
coughlin has been in discussions with mara about staying with the giants in another role and they are going to talk more in the future he said...their relationship is rock solid...coughlin is a 70 year old fossil who didn't seem to be fully engaged the last couple of years with a team he loves...for him to start from scratch at that age with another team not only has failure written all over it but there wouldn't even be any excitement or unknown....Pederson at least would be a total mystery

also doug pederson is the opposite of a safe hire
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 10, 2016, 01:30:08 PM
He's safe in the sense that he's not Chip Kelly, so there's not going to be sleep monitoring or smoothies or alienating an entire roster. But yeah, he's a total crap shoot in terms of actual viability.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 10, 2016, 01:45:13 PM
If he's a favor to Andy, it sure as hell isn't a favor to Pederson. His ceiling is mediocrity, but more likely he Mornhinweg's it into never getting another HC shot. If that's their guy, then they're definitely waiting for a better coach to come along in a year or two.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 10, 2016, 01:48:49 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
coughlin has been in discussions with mara about staying with the giants in another role and they are going to talk more in the future he said...their relationship is rock solid...coughlin is a 70 year old fossil who didn't seem to be fully engaged the last couple of years with a team he loves...for him to start from scratch at that age with another team not only has failure written all over it but there wouldn't even be any excitement or unknown....Pederson at least would be a total mystery

also doug pederson is the opposite of a safe hire

Safe because he has organizational ties and is an Andy guy

And safe bc he's gonna be happy to be a HC and not rock the boat
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 10, 2016, 03:50:06 PM
I just hope in our lifetime we see a thread titled "New Eagles Owner"
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 11, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
I'm not completely hating Pederson. While I'm happy that he'll never see the field again, he does have some decent (ahd successful) coaching experience, and I don't think his ego is so big that he'd cause turmoil with the front office.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 11, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
he does have some decent (ahd successful) coaching experience

he does?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 11, 2016, 10:01:22 AM
I guess it depends on your definition of "successful." But he did get some good time in with the Eagles as QB coach, and as much as we want to discount Reid, the Chief's offense was pretty decent.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 11, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
As long as he can get along with Howie.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 11, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
Quote from: smeags on January 11, 2016, 10:04:54 AM
As long as he can get along with Howie.
:-D  yeah, that's the requirement that drives me crazy. 
i don't think pederson even calls plays in kc...or maybe andy & he call them together.  anyway, i can't think of a more underwhelming choice for eagles' hc than pederson.  sure, andy never called plays before and moved straight from qb coach to hc...and it "kind of" worked...but i don't want andy jr.  :boo
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 10:34:30 AM
of course he doesn't call plays....i think he runs the two minute offense...and occasionally andy will throw him a bone and let him call a play or two

oooooooh hire that guy!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 11, 2016, 10:43:32 AM
The guy already has a love for the fan base.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 11, 2016, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from: smeags on January 11, 2016, 10:43:32 AM
The guy already has a love for the fan base.

so does shoulderpad shawn but i'm not hiring him either.  :-D 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 11, 2016, 10:52:48 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 10:34:30 AM
of course he doesn't call plays....i think he runs the two minute offense...and occasionally andy will throw him a bone and let him call a play or two

oooooooh hire that guy!

yeah, it would be a complete panic move by lurie. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 10:54:31 AM
safe hire tho
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
I'd rather Coughlin than Pederson and I really don't want Coughlin. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
just hire the alcoholic bedwetter and get it over with
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
The biggest issue with all of this is the supposed reasoning.  I don't know if he is a good coach - it's possible he could be a good coach.  My problem is I don't think the Eagles do either.  This strikes me as a personality driven issue where the team is overcorrecting itself following Chip and are most interested in a hire that won't rock the boat and will not have the balls to stand up to Roseman and co.  Maybe that's the wrong interpretation but that's how it comes across.  Just because you don't want someone with Aspbergers-lite like Chip doesn't mean you go and pull a 180. 

If I thought they were interested for his coaching skills then I'd disagree with the idea that he's shown enough to warrant it, but would be ok with it at the end of the day because it was a football judgment.  This just reeks of cronyism.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 11, 2016, 11:13:21 AM
I'd have to think that Pederson does something as an OC, because if it was left up to Reid, the KC script would look exactly what we were stuck with for years. Anyway, I'm not a huge supporter of the guy - I think we all have a bad taste in our collective memory from his playing days - but I do see that he might have some value. That said, there has got to be a better option available.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 11:07:38 AM
The biggest issue with all of this is the supposed reasoning.  I don't know if he is a good coach - it's possible he could be a good coach.  My problem is I don't think the Eagles do either.  This strikes me as a personality driven issue where the team is overcorrecting itself following Chip and are most interested in a hire that won't rock the boat and will not have the balls to stand up to Roseman and co.  Maybe that's the wrong interpretation but that's how it comes across.  Just because you don't want someone with Aspbergers-lite like Chip doesn't mean you go and pull a 180. 

If I thought they were interested for his coaching skills then I'd disagree with the idea that he's shown enough to warrant it, but would be ok with it at the end of the day because it was a football judgment.  This just reeks of cronyism.

I think this is all right but id add in a healthy dose of remorse...jeff regrets firing andy in the worst way and in his mind Pederson is the next best thing to having andy back
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 11:30:59 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 11, 2016, 11:13:21 AM
I'd have to think that Pederson does something as an OC,

he really doesn't do much...from what ive heard he had some more responsibility this year like I said with the two minute offense...but mostly hes andys water boy....remember not even five years ago he was teaching high school
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 11, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
you guys do remember that Chefs WRs didn't have a TD catch for 659 days right?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 11, 2016, 11:41:56 AM
great googily moogily.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 11, 2016, 11:45:44 AM
Collaborative effort
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 11, 2016, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on January 11, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
you guys do remember that Chefs WRs didn't have a TD catch for 659 days right?

Just like Andy's early days here when the WRs sucked. David Culley is his WRs coach there too.

And EL is spot on with his assessment.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
The absolute worst lesson to draw from the Chip era is the idea that the Eagles should have never fired Andy Reid.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 11, 2016, 01:45:58 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
The absolute worst lesson to draw from the Chip era is the idea that the Eagles should have never fired Andy Reid.

Agreed.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2016, 01:49:48 PM
It was definitely time to part ways with Reid.  It was also the right time to part with Chip.  People say Lurie let Andy hang around too long out of loyalty, but I think it was simply based on Reid's body of work, which was very good overall. Chip didn't have that kind of cache, and it's unlikely the next coach won't either. So I really don't care who they hire at this point. If they aren't good, I don't think Lurie will hesitate to cut the cord....with or without ties to Andy. So if Pederson gets the job, it's likely going to be sink or swim. 

Andy swam after year 1.  Chip sunk.  I'd say that year 1 is the only freebie you get with Lurie. After that, you either get him playoff revenue and stay, or you don't and leave. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 01:52:29 PM
I think its the opposite....I think lurie is overly loyal...the fact that chip got got that quick shows how poisonous he really was...but luries MO is always going to be stay the course and keep guys longer rather than shorter
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2016, 02:08:59 PM
I think that's correct regarding Banner and Howie, but as far as coaches go, we've got 3 to go on:

Ray Rhodes made the playoffs his first 2 years, including 1 home game/home win. He was fired after the team missed the playoffs 2 straight years. Maybe the 97 season warranted a firing, but keeping him around 1 extra year is far from being overly loyal.

Reid only missed the playoffs 4 or 5 times in 14 years, but he also brought a lot of home playoff games and deep playoff runs. How long was too long with him?  I think fans started really souring on him around year 10 or 11, but he was still making the postseason.  He wasn't canned until he missed it 2 straight  years.

I also think Lurie gauges the fans. If the city was crazy in love with Andy, maybe he stays 1 more year. If the city was crazy in love with Chip, maybe he gets one more shot.  But in the end, Lurie is all about making that cheddar and if you aren't making extra money in the playoffs, you aren't sticking around.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 02:30:07 PM
Chip would have gotten an extra year if he wasn't an icehole. But part of the calculus for giving him that year would have been that he was trying to do revolutionary things, and so there was major upside if he could pull it off. I'm still okay with the decision to give Chip GM powers for that reason... once you have a coach like him, there's no point in going halfway in with him and trying to work his schemes with players he doesn't want. If it works, it's great, and if it doesn't work, the responsibility is fully his and you shteincan him, which is what happened.

If they hire a boring coordinator type, I think they gotta win a playoff game in three years or they are gone, unless they can demonstrate that each year was markedly better than the previous one.

I have the feeling a real dumpster fire era is coming up for the Eagles. We can argue about whether they are a Browns level franchise or not, but they may be entering a period where they are posting some Browns style records for a while. For some idea of what that's like, the Eagles won seven games this year. That would have been tied for the best Browns season in the last eight years. Imagine years of wistfully remembering the "successful" Chip Kelly era. I fear that's what we are in for.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 02:32:37 PM
agree to disagree...lurie bleeds blind loyalty...its rampant in everything he does....shtein hes interviewing farging doug perderson out of loyalty to andy

also playoff games generate peanuts for nfl teams....that's not a monetary factor
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 02:37:41 PM
the eagles aren't the browns but you could argue they will be by default if any reid wins a sb this year
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2016, 02:41:51 PM
Definitely not much extra revenue for a home playoff game or 2 each season. What's an extra 60,000 ticket sales? 

It's not so much that it's improving Lurie's quality of life, but it does improve the franchise's value, especially if you are able to create a track record of getting 1 or 2 extra home games each year.

And I'm just calling it like I see it.  The 3 coaches he's hired were all fired after back to back playoff misses.

And while the Pederson interview might be out of some sort of loyalty to Andy, I don't think that will carry much weight in the decision to hire (or not hire) him. And it certainly won't help Pederson if he is hired. If Pederson gets the gig he's on his own at that point and if  the team doesn't make the playoffs after year 2, I think he (or pretty much any other coach) will be gone.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 02:44:48 PM
teams don't get ticket revenue from playoff games
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
I think Lurie desperately wants to win, for the reasons that any extremely driven person wants to be successful at what they do. I would guess that he's a more deeply obsessed fan of the team than anyone on this board is... it's his work, his public image, the people he interacts with on a daily basis, and what he'll be remembered for. Sure, more money would be nice and winning would increase the value of the team, but I find it really hard to believe that is his primary motivation.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2016, 02:55:58 PM
Concessions? Parking? Merchandise?  TV Revenue?  In-Stadium ad revenue?  The don't make any money from playoff games?  What about the future revenue that playoff appearances generate?

Again, it's not about the revenue from an individual game. It's not like Lurie is going to buy more windmills or solar panels because they played 1 extra game. But if you have a team that is constantly in the playoffs, especially getting home games that fans love, then it's money in the bank that, if nothing else, will drive up the franchise value for whenever he decides to cash out and sell.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
I think Lurie desperately wants to win, for the reasons that any extremely driven person wants to be successful at what they do. I would guess that he's a more deeply obsessed fan of the team than anyone on this board is... it's his work, his public image, the people he interacts with on a daily basis, and what he'll be remembered for. Sure, more money would be nice and winning would increase the value of the team, but I find it really hard to believe that is his primary motivation.

totally agree with this....he seems less money driven than most owners

my only question is who does he root for more....the eagles or the patriots
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 11, 2016, 03:01:08 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
I think Lurie desperately wants to win, for the reasons that any extremely driven person wants to be successful at what they do. I would guess that he's a more deeply obsessed fan of the team than anyone on this board is... it's his work, his public image, the people he interacts with on a daily basis, and what he'll be remembered for. Sure, more money would be nice and winning would increase the value of the team, but I find it really hard to believe that is his primary motivation.

I have him around 60/40 when it comes to money/winning. I do think the longer he owns the team, the more he wants to win, but I don't think he'll ever get to the point where he values a chip more than money. And I'm not saying that I think he's a terrible owner. He's probably top 5 in the NFL.  Doesn't mean that the team will never win a chip with him as an owner, but I think he's so deeply rooted and in love with New England that he can't bring himself to feel the same about Philly. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
where would everyone rank the eagles in the nfl in terms of a coaching vacancy/overall organization
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hbionic on January 11, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
In the "farg no" category.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 03:40:14 PM
I think they're behind the following teams in average circumstances -

Dallas
NYG
GB
CHI
SF (though maybe not at the moment)
SEA (maybe?)
NE
Maybe NYJ
Pitt
BAL
DEN
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 03:50:31 PM
we can debate order and probably even groupings but I think I teir them like this (not in order)

den
pitt
ne
nyg
gb

kc
bal
sf
dal

minn
phi
chi
nyj
mia
no
sea

car
buff
atl
tb
arz
cin
hou
ind
ten
oak
sd

wash
det
cle
jax
stl
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 04:13:31 PM
Close enough that I won't quibble.

Just out of curiosity, where would you have put the Patriots before Kraft? I feel like him, BB, and Brady jumped the franchise three tiers.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 04:19:03 PM
they were def a bottom two tier team before him...shtein they were a laughing stock back in the day...not quite the saints or tb but not far off either
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 11, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
Him and Danny Boy are the two extremes of what ownership can do for the long-term prestige of a team.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Indy is interesting because I agree with igy with respect to their ranking in normal circumstances but the prospect for a new coach to have Luck in his prime to work with will elevate that position if it's available next year.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Indy is interesting because I agree with igy with respect to their ranking in normal circumstances but the prospect for a new coach to have Luck in his prime to work with will elevate that position if it's available next year.

yeah theres lots of individual factors that could elevate or lower a particular franchise right now but I was trying to go big picture

for example sd stl or Oakland could be higher because of LA
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 11, 2016, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 03:50:31 PM
we can debate order and probably even groupings but I think I teir them like this (not in order)

den
pitt
ne
nyg
gb

kc
bal
sf
dal

minn
phi
chi
nyj
mia
no
sea

car
buff
atl
tb
arz
cin
hou
ind
ten
oak
sd

wash
det
cle
jax
stl

i cant overtly disagree with this list...but the coaching thing is so fluid. some guys (chip) hate big cities and tons of pressure. some guys (rex) get hard off of it. marvin lewis wouldve been fired 10 times over if he were in chicago, philly, new york, etc. but since its cincinnati, he survives. wouldnt that be a better place to coach?

denver isnt exactly heaven with john elway micromanaging everything....gb you will never be bigger than the gm, plus youre in green bay. theres always something.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 12, 2016, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
my only question is who does he root for more....the eagles or the patriots

LMFAO!  That is a totally legit question. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 12, 2016, 10:27:10 AM
Interviewed so far:

Duce
Shurmur
Pederson
Coughlin
McAdoo
Gase

Lurie says he isn't interviewing anyone else before the owners meetings. Unless he's keeping a tight lid on something, looks like this is the list.

Take it with a grain of salt, but Eskin says that Coughlin could be the front runner. Says he only wants to coach, which would put the majority of the pressure on Howie to put together a solid roster and that Howie might be a on relatively short (2 year) leash.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 12, 2016, 10:43:49 AM
Pass on all of them.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 12, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
same.

i suppose coughlin for 2-3 years acting as a hc/mentor with his eventual replacement already being on the staff would be the least disgusting option of those listed.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 12, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
How much say did Coughlin have in NY with regard to talent evaluation? They seem to have gotten a little more realistic value out of their draft picks. I think that's the only real reason I'd entertain adding him to the franchise.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 12, 2016, 11:34:14 AM
I agree Coughlin would #1 on that list but I hope they keep looking. Surprise us all with mcdermott after the Panthers lose this week.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
It's going to be a long decade.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 12, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
The team could interview more guys after Wednesday, just not during the meetings.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 01:13:00 PM
i'll have to find out where they are here in Houston so I can go heckle Lurie and smack Howie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 12, 2016, 01:32:27 PM
Coughlin interviewing with the 49ers today.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 12, 2016, 02:06:11 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 12, 2016, 11:18:37 AM
How much say did Coughlin have in NY with regard to talent evaluation?

Not none, but close to none. The Giants have done it that way for a very long time.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 04:34:46 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2016, 03:50:31 PM
we can debate order and probably even groupings but I think I teir them like this (not in order)

den
pitt
ne
nyg
gb

kc
bal
sf
dal

minn
phi
chi
nyj
mia
no
sea

car
buff
atl
tb
arz
cin
hou
ind
ten
oak
sd

wash
det
cle
jax
stl

I can't disagree with that list. I would maybe reorganize some of the lower tier teams and the only one I would think about jumping the Eagles over is KC
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 12, 2016, 04:53:10 PM
so the eagles and their 0 titles are a hair below the giants
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 05:17:38 PM
Says the guy who said "I can't overly disagree with this list"

Beat it

And am I missing an abundance of KC titles? I'm saying they should be tiered down
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 12, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
that doesnt even make any sense

kc has a great ownership and front office structure and the hunt family is among the most essential in football

what exactly do the eagles have that makes them so special?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
Frustrated wannabe sportswriters who channel their anger into passive-aggressive posting on a practically deserted message board?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: rjs246 on January 12, 2016, 06:18:29 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
Frustrated wannabe sportswriters who channel their anger into passive-aggressive posting on a practically deserted message board?

Haha. On point.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2016, 05:45:29 PM
that doesnt even make any sense

kc has a great ownership and front office structure and the hunt family is among the most essential in football

what exactly do the eagles have that makes them so special?

Oh ok.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 12, 2016, 07:07:10 PM
Remember that time when you didn't reply to that jerkoff's nonsense?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 12, 2016, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on January 12, 2016, 06:18:29 PM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
Frustrated wannabe sportswriters who channel their anger into passive-aggressive posting on a practically deserted message board?

Haha. On point.

except for the fact that im not frustrated, nor a wannabee sports writer, or angry, its on point

i do love passive aggressively needling j and this place is practically deserted so theres that.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 13, 2016, 03:29:59 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 11:39:14 AM
It's going to be a long decade.

What's new?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 13, 2016, 03:35:58 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 12, 2016, 05:54:32 PM
Frustrated wannabe sportswriters who channel their anger into passive-aggressive posting on a practically deserted message board?

Hey watch it!  All 6 of us enjoy this board kiddo.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio

The ultimate source of this "information" is a 15 year old kid with spina bifida who did a charity internship for the Eagles during training camp.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Geowhizzer on January 13, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Was the kid interviewing for the job?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 06:35:36 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 13, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Was the kid interviewing for the job?

He was conducting it.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 07:42:23 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 12, 2016, 07:51:16 PM



i do love passive aggressively needling j and this place is practically deserted thanks to me, so theres that.

you've peaked in life.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 09:46:31 AM
Schefter thinks something called a mcadoo is the frontrunner.

The only guy left who the Eagles interviewed who isn't already an Eagle or who wouldn't be rejected for the Giants HC job first is farging Pederson.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio

The ultimate source of this "information" is a 15 year old kid with spina bifida who did a charity internship for the Eagles during training camp.

lolol no shtein?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 13, 2016, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2016, 07:07:10 PM
Remember that time when you didn't reply to that jerkoff's nonsense?

the ignore function works pretty well on here.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: hunt on January 13, 2016, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2016, 07:07:10 PM
Remember that time when you didn't reply to that jerkoff's nonsense?

the ignore function works pretty well on here.

Won't happen, jay loves charity cases.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: Geowhizzer on January 13, 2016, 06:25:07 AM
Was the kid interviewing for the job?
Head coach job? Or a new QB.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: hunt on January 13, 2016, 09:55:37 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 12, 2016, 07:07:10 PM
Remember that time when you didn't reply to that jerkoff's nonsense?

the ignore function works pretty well on here.
If I was the object of somebody's unhealthy infatuation with every single thing I said, thought or did, I'd definitely go that route.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio

The ultimate source of this "information" is a 15 year old kid with spina bifida who did a charity internship for the Eagles during training camp.

lolol no shtein?
https://twitter.com/CRASHSports1/status/687104901273485313

He clearly aspires to be a Schefter/Rapoport when he grows up. He's got a blog and everything. Seems to be closer to living out his sports journalist dreams than anyone on this board ever has been.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 11:52:45 AM
So an even littler guy is actually making it happen.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 12:00:09 PM
I think it's fine for children to have dreams of being a sports writer as long as they don't post here.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 12:05:52 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio

The ultimate source of this "information" is a 15 year old kid with spina bifida who did a charity internship for the Eagles during training camp.

lolol no shtein?
https://twitter.com/CRASHSports1/status/687104901273485313

He clearly aspires to be a Schefter/Rapoport when he grows up. He's got a blog and everything. Seems to be closer to living out his sports journalist dreams than anyone on this board ever has been.

lol
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:06:11 PM
schefter says mcadoo is the clear leader in the clubhouse....think ill trust him over some dream big wannabe who cant get off his couch
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
McAnooooooo
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
i dont love him or anything but of the people they have interviewed hes by far the best (excluding gase of course)...id be cautiously IN on him
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 13, 2016, 12:13:03 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:58:06 AM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 12, 2016, 09:55:21 PM
Just got s text from s friend who said there will be a second interview with Coughlin and it'll come with an offer

Supposedly heard on Sirius nfl radio

The ultimate source of this "information" is a 15 year old kid with spina bifida who did a charity internship for the Eagles during training camp.

lolol no shtein?
https://twitter.com/CRASHSports1/status/687104901273485313

He clearly aspires to be a Schefter/Rapoport when he grows up. He's got a blog and everything. Seems to be closer to living out his sports journalist dreams than anyone on this board ever has been.

Excuse me, I was a paid poker journalist for like two weeks a decade ago.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 13, 2016, 12:24:08 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
i dont love him or anything but of the people they have interviewed hes by far the best (excluding gase of course)...id be cautiously IN on him

I'm not going in or out with any of these guys. Yes, guys like Pederson or Duce don't have much of a track record to give me a warm fuzzy, but they don't have the record that makes me want to run in the other direction either, like a Wade Phillips or Norv Turner would.  These guys are all pretty blah, imo. Whoever they hire, I'm gonna try not to get too excited or depressed....just gonna roll with it.  If he wins, great. If not, gtfo and bring on the next guy.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 13, 2016, 12:27:33 PM
I fear the anti-Duce backlash should he ever get a gig like this and fail. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 13, 2016, 12:29:08 PM
But yeah...I'll take a wait and see approach with whoever. It's not like I have any voice in the matter. You get who you get, and you hope for the best. (Well, being Philadelphia, some fans enjoy hoping for the worst.)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:32:29 PM
some people are obvious failures from the start....chip was one.....duce or pederson would be one...you dont always have to wait to know
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 13, 2016, 12:53:08 PM
That's the thing. I like Duce. He was one of my favorite players, and I'm happy that he's been able to contribute. But I don't want to be angry at the guy for being a crappy coach.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:32:29 PM
some people are obvious failures from the start....chip was one.....duce or pederson would be one...you dont always have to wait to know

He was 10-6 his first two years.  That's not a failure.  2015 was a failure and his player personnel choices were overwhelming failures, but he took a POS 4-12 team that quit and turned them into winners. 

Was it time for him to go?   Yes.  He's not right for the team and he's definitely not right for the city.  But saying he was a failure from the beginning is something a Republican would say about Obama. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 01:14:02 PM
he was never going to be successful in the nfl...college coaches with no nfl experience always fail...he was more clueless than most...took each team to play him more than once to figure the offense out and took about a year for players and just about everyone else in the organization to hate him....doomed from the start

i said he would be at georgia in 3 years....i was wrong i guess...hes going to instead be unemployed after his third year
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 01:33:04 PM
I am pretty sure I am going to be unhappy with whomever they choose as HC

An underwhelming HC coupled with a dipshtein yes man GM...yay
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 01:33:04 PM
I am pretty sure I am going to be unhappy with whomever they choose as HC

An underwhelming HC coupled with a dipshtein yes man GM...yay

You're such a negadelphian, jay.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
Schefter is picking Ben McAdoo as the front runner now. I would like him a little bit but I don't see any candidates that look SB promising. Anyone know where McAdoo is from originally?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
Schefter is picking Ben McAdoo as the front runner now. I would like him a little bit but I don't see any candidates that look SB promising. Anyone know where McAdoo is from originally?

1st pro gig was in N.O.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
BREAKING: Schefter is picking Ben McAdoo as the front runner now.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
Bob McAdoo was a badass. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
He's ben around the league.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 13, 2016, 01:59:12 PM
he's known for his sunglasses and sweet stache...so there's that.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 02:05:18 PM
So he passes your look test ?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
He's ben around the league.

You should be benned for this.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 13, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 13, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
He's ben around the league.

You should be benned for this.

Well, when in Rome ...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Big question about McAdoo to the Eagles... if he's so great, why aren't the Giants promoting him?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Big question about McAdoo to the Eagles... if he's so great, why aren't the Giants promoting him?

Legit question.

I hope Schefter is wrong

But if he is wrong that means we get Dougie P

FML
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 01:33:04 PM
I am pretty sure I am going to be unhappy with whomever they choose as HC

An underwhelming HC coupled with a dipshtein yes man GM...yay

You're such a negadelphian, jay.

I read page 21 of The Real Fan Handbook authored by lil guy and igy...I am learning.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Big question about McAdoo to the Eagles... if he's so great, why aren't the Giants promoting him?

i dont think anyone has suggested hes great...hes just another guy in a terrible pool of candidates

i would think the lack of giant interest has a lot to do with his relative inexperience and age...they usually prefer a more veteran guy
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 01:33:04 PM
I am pretty sure I am going to be unhappy with whomever they choose as HC

An underwhelming HC coupled with a dipshtein yes man GM...yay

You're such a negadelphian, jay.

I read page 21 of The Real Fan Handbook authored by lil guy and igy...I am learning.

lil guy is a homer compared to me....and theres nothing you could read that would make you anything but an extremeeagle
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 02:25:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 01:33:04 PM
I am pretty sure I am going to be unhappy with whomever they choose as HC

An underwhelming HC coupled with a dipshtein yes man GM...yay

You're such a negadelphian, jay.

I read page 21 of The Real Fan Handbook authored by lil guy and igy...I am learning.

lil guy is a homer compared to me....and theres nothing you could read that would make you anything but an extremeeagle

E-A-G-L-E-S...EAGLES!!

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
Michael Silver at SI says the Eagles called Hue but it was too late.

I guess nothing happens today other than Lurie flying back to the city.

If the Eagles don't announce one of the Giants guys this week, do they even bother bringing in more candidates to pretend they aren't hiring Pederson?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
I think McDermott is a better guy for the team because the defense is a shambles and he's a JJ disciple.  None of us really know anything for sure.  It's all supposition at this point. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 04:42:24 PM
and Lurie is full of shtein when he tries to say he'll look at defensive minded coaches

interviews all offensive guys

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 13, 2016, 05:37:00 PM
I'm fine with them targeting offensive coaches. I know people love to whip out the cliches about Philly being a blue collar town, a defensive town. Whatever, it's a QB league now more than it has ever been with the rule changes favoring offenses. Once a QB gets comfortable in a system, you want continuity there more than anywhere else. If you hire a defensive head coach, and he brings in an offensive coordinator who has great success, he will be snatched up elsewhere. Then you risk continuity issues with your QB.

I just think in this day and age, it's much less troublesome to replace a defensive coordinator, with an offensive head coach, than the other way around. Now, you'll say "If that's the case, then why haven't the Eagles replaced Jim Johnson yet?" It's hard to replace a hall of fame level coach, and the personnel has sucked since he left. Get good personnel, and I think you can have a top 10-15 defense with just a "solid" defensive coordinator. Seattle's D is great because of their talent, not their coordinators. They change D coordinators almost every year.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 06:13:16 PM
id rather go offense as well especially if its a guy that gives them an advantage in retaining Bradford...you think the coaching pool is weak...imagine needing to get a qb this offseason as well

even with the existing talent I believe this defense would make a significant leap just by simply moving to a 4-3
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 06:33:16 PM
Hell, they might even get better remaining in the 3-4 as long as they dump Billy D.

Get a good coordinator and the HC offense vs defense point is moot.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 13, 2016, 08:26:53 PM
Six out of the eight playoff teams remaining were inside the top nine in total defense in 2015.

But yes, let's definitely NOT focus on defense. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 02:19:54 PM
Big question about McAdoo to the Eagles... if he's so great, why aren't the Giants promoting him?

he must be great
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
BREAKING: Schefter is picking Ben McAdoo as the front runner now.
He's smart
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
Quote from: Rome on January 13, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 13, 2016, 01:56:21 PM
He's ben around the league.

You should be benned for this.
It's McAdoo about nothing
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 01:46:39 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on January 13, 2016, 01:37:38 PM
BREAKING: Schefter is picking Ben McAdoo as the front runner now.
He's smart

definitely

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 12:06:11 PM
schefter says mcadoo is the clear leader in the clubhouse....think ill trust him over some dream big wannabe who cant get off his couch
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 08:41:53 PM
so how quickly are the eagles turning into the laughing stock of the nfl...one of the worst coaching pools in recent memory and no one wants to go there

they are either getting a grossly unqualified guy or a 70 year old fossil...all the guys left on their list have one thing in common....only the eagles have interviewed them
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 08:42:41 PM
Who's Plan C, Howie/Jeff?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 13, 2016, 08:43:12 PM
Westbrook's head in a jar.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 08:44:31 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 08:41:53 PM
only the eagles have interviewed them

The 49ers interviewed old man coughlin yesterday between naps.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 08:48:54 PM
Good thing they got that one week head start from firing Chip after Week 16.

Just go all in on Jim Bob Cooter, guys. He has marginally more experience than Doug and at least we can have fun with the name.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: AshishPatel81 on January 13, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
This may not be the worst thing in the world. Maybe they will suck really bad and finally get a superstar quarterback.

Then they fire the head coach, Howie Roseman will be gone, and they will once again be an attractive job. We'll have to endure some really bad seasons as fans, but in the bigger picture, it might benefit them.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 08:56:51 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:15:51 AM
Already interviewed:

Duce Staley, Eagles RB coach
Pat Shurmur, Eagles OC
Adam Gase, Bears OC - hired by Dolphins
Ben McAdoo, Giants OC - hired by Giants
Doug Pederson, Chiefs OC
Tom Coughlin, former Giants coach

List is horrific. Just promote Shurmur tomorrow. Don't make us wait another week for the big Doug farging Pederson announcement.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 09:00:00 PM
I'm glad no McAdoo

But it still means Dougie P

I'm all about Coughlin to avoid Pederson
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 13, 2016, 09:21:16 PM
more like macadont

amiright?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 13, 2016, 09:28:12 PM
thats grudog in the philly airport

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYpXtWaUsAE7TM_.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on January 13, 2016, 09:28:55 PM
Is it, or is that someone's spinster aunt?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 09:31:29 PM
not actively talking excitedly = not gruden
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 13, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
the dude said he asked him what he was doing here....spider 2 y banana said "business."

the eagles have no clue what theyre doing and nobody wants to touch howie, so why not just hire this clown for sheer entertainment value?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on January 13, 2016, 10:00:10 PM
http://benmcadoo.com
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 13, 2016, 10:09:58 PM
the gruden thing is fake :(
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 13, 2016, 10:19:36 PM
the fact that someone made a joke about it is all you need to know about what is going on with this franchise right now
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 13, 2016, 10:37:35 PM
You can say that again...
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on January 14, 2016, 07:22:52 AM
Pretty sure it's going to be Pederson once the playoffs are over. Not excited but like every higher/draft pick etc. I'll give the guy a chance
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 14, 2016, 07:54:57 AM
There's eight playoff teams left.  No chance they're waiting for one of them other than Pederson. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 14, 2016, 08:37:07 AM
Quote from: MDS on January 13, 2016, 09:28:12 PM
thats grudog in the philly airport

Uh oh...look closer at that photo!

(http://s11.postimg.org/94goqvygz/grudog_S8.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 08:54:56 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2016, 07:54:57 AM
There's eight playoff teams left.  No chance they're waiting for one of them other than Pederson.

Thats where I'm at on this. Have patricia and McDaniela been on the league interview tour  ?

Cause seriously, Coughlin ? Pederson ?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 09:37:34 AM
whoever they hire automatically becomes the worst coach in the division...their front office is a calamity and most important how is their PP department being run....a couple chip guys have left and not been replaced so basically howie is in charge of a skeleton crew of people from the previous regime who can't be too secure in their jobs...which probably means that effort being put forth in preparing for the offseason right now can't be good

fun times ahead
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 14, 2016, 09:48:07 AM
not sure coughlin would automatically become worse than mcadoo....but i don't want that old man anyway.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 09:52:08 AM
Rapoport says talks intensifying with Coughlin

I'm in on him if it means no Dougie P
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 09:53:35 AM
Last year was a horrible coaching job by Coughlin. None of the guys mentioned prior beyond Gase and McDermott were worth it to me.



Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 09:55:05 AM
coughlin great career but hes toast and that's with his  heart mostly being in it.....he would be a dead dog working for this organization at age 70...can you imagine going from the mara's and two super bowls in nyc to working for howie farging roseman

I seriously would rather have Peterson
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 14, 2016, 10:04:04 AM
embarrassing, loser organization doing embarrassing, loser things

they wanted gase and macadoo, in some order, and didnt get either of them. so theyre scrambling and settling on a fossil thats been awful for the past 3 years. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 14, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 09:55:05 AM


I seriously would rather have Peterson

yeah, i think i would too...why hire an old guy for 2-3 seasons & have to do this all over again.

at this point, i'd take mcdermott over coughlin, pederson, etc...might even take mcdaniels.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 14, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
Or they're waiting for someone else to interview. 

But panic.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 14, 2016, 10:27:13 AM
If you were an up and coming coaching candidate, would YOU want to work under the direction of these clowns?

(http://s12.postimg.org/4h12p2owd/IMG_6494.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: hunt on January 14, 2016, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: Rome on January 14, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
Or they're waiting for someone else to interview. 

But panic.

like mcdermott or mcdaniels?  yeah, just said that.  8)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 10:33:33 AM
He may have missed our posts in his geritol rage.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
Quote from: hunt on January 14, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 09:55:05 AM


I seriously would rather have Peterson

yeah, i think i would too...why hire an old guy for 2-3 seasons & have to do this all over again.

at this point, i'd take mcdermott over coughlin, pederson, etc...might even take mcdaniels.

a lot of what ive heard is that it wouldnt be so much as starting over but it would be coughlin with a successor...which is also assinine...why do you want all the players knowing this is a short term thing..and why lock yourself into a successor who you have no idea will ever be ready...its also not like coughlin has produced this plethora of great underlings who have gone on to super successful careers in coaching...duce is the only "candidate" i would put below coughlin

mcdaniels was my number 2 behind gase the whole time...not that id be overly excited but i think he could do something with a second chance...i also have more faith in him putting together a good staff than i do most of the others....be fine with mcdermott as well
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2016, 11:07:02 AM
I will preface this by admitting it's an absurd name to throw out, but if they bring in Coughlin they need assistants who at least are willing to modernize schemes and systems...

Lane Kiffin for OC anyone?

(ducks)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 11:17:38 AM
 id take lane kiffin as HC over coughlin
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 14, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Try as I might I just can't work up enough give a shtein over the wait.   Whoever they pick will either be a surprise or not.  He'll either be a success or he won't.   I'll still watch and hope eventually they'll win a Super Bowl before I croak.   
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
Those of you pinning your hopes to the Eagles waiting to interview McDaniels or McDermott should be aware of this: coaches on teams with bye weeks must have their first interview during the bye week. Then they are allowed to have the second interview before the Super Bowl.

If there's no first interview during the bye, the interviewing team has to wait for the coach's team to be out of the playoffs. The Super Bowl is on February 7 this year.

For what it's worth, Pederson said it was his understanding that he was the last candidate the Eagles were going to interview.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
That was my understanding and i'd be fine with waiting till then.

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
Those of you pinning your hopes to the Eagles waiting to interview McDaniels or McDermott should be aware of this: coaches on teams with bye weeks must have their first interview during the bye week. Then they are allowed to have the second interview before the Super Bowl.

If there's no first interview during the bye, the interviewing team has to wait for the coach's team to be out of the playoffs. The Super Bowl is on February 7 this year.

lol.....good to have all this in one place
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
The point being, if they were gonna interview those guys, they would have interviewed them already.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
maybe...maybe not...we wont know until they are eliminated

maybe the eagles know mcdermott would take an offer so theres no need to interview him yet....maybe mcdaniels didnt want to interfere with his game prep and is holding off until next week

maybe they simply arent interested in any of them too

but to straight up say they arent interested in anyone they havent already interviewed is silly
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
McDaniels can't interview next week unless the Patriots lose. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl the Eagles can't so much as talk to him until the second week of February. All because the Eagles passed on talking to him during the bye week, they were too busy talking to McAdoo I guess. Doesn't seem like a team that is planning on going after McDaniels.

McDermott interviewed with the Bucs and Browns, pretty wild if the Eagles just assume they can swoop in on him so they don't even bother interviewing him when the other teams do.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 12:19:08 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
The point being, if they were gonna interview those guys, they would have interviewed them already.

you could be right but I wonder if there are reasons not known for sure as to why these guys haven't interviewed. 

im probably delusional on this line of thinking but im an eagles fan so ..
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on January 14, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
I'm not pinning my hopes on it, but they waited this long after being the first out of the gate with firing Chip, so at least they're taking their time and not rushing things.   

As for Gase, Jackson or McAdoo, are they really that big of losses?   I was interested in Jackson because he somehow managed an 8-8 record with a lousy Raiders team, but I'm not crestfallen over it. 

We just need to chill.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
McDaniels can't interview next week unless the Patriots lose. If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl the Eagles can't so much as talk to him until the second week of February. All because the Eagles passed on talking to him during the bye week, they were too busy talking to McAdoo I guess. Doesn't seem like a team that is planning on going after McDaniels.

McDermott interviewed with the Bucs and Browns, pretty wild if the Eagles just assume they can swoop in on him so they don't even bother interviewing him when the other teams do.

yes i think even hb knows that you cant interview coaches until they are elimated or on their bye week...this has been established for years and years

mcdermott also said in an interview hed all but take the eagles job if offered...so if they were interested in him there is certainly no rush

i dont really get the point....are you saying that no team has ever conducted a first interview with a candidate after the wild card weekend?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 12:41:24 PM
I think if the Pats or Panthers lose this weekend, there will be more interviews of their guys, especially by teams like the Titans who just figured out who their GM is.

I don't see the Eagles waiting for three and a half weeks for a chance to interview them though, and I think if those guys were part of the plan from the beginning, the Eagles would have at least requested interviews during the bye. I don't believe any current HC was hired that late in the process, and most if not all of the coaches hired late in January had their first interviews during the time period in the first two weeks of the playoffs they were allowed to be interviewed.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 12:43:36 PM
well, I just hope its not coughlin or Pederson.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 14, 2016, 12:57:10 PM
haha coughlin turned them down

at this point just hire shurmur and if when he sucks, dip back into the pool next year
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 12:58:24 PM
I don't care about the wait and I don't care they "lost" out on McAdoo and Gase. I didn't care for either so it's no skin off my nose as far as who I want.

I'd like to have seen them talk to Hue and McDermott.

As it stands now it's Shurmur, Duce, Pederson or Coughlin

Coughlin
Shurmur
Duce
Pederson

So come on down Coughlin - let's see that baffled Coughlin Face at The Linc
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 09, 2016, 08:15:51 AM
Already interviewed:

Duce Staley, Eagles RB coach
Pat Shurmur, Eagles OC
Adam Gase, Bears OC - hired by Dolphins
Ben McAdoo, Giants OC - hired by Giants
Doug Pederson, Chiefs OC
Tom Coughlin, former Giants coach - withdrew from consideration
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:01:56 PM
Lololol he withdrew his name

Howie runs another off
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:04:08 PM
From Graziano

Was told Coughlin had concerns about Eagles job, including who the OC would be. Not surprised he pulled out.

Oh yeah that little meddling shteinpile Howie is all over this
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 01:04:34 PM
The process of hiring a coach should not come with this level of obvious dysfunction. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 14, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 14, 2016, 10:27:13 AM
If you were an up and coming old and questionably talented coaching candidate, would YOU want to work under the direction of these clowns?

(http://s12.postimg.org/4h12p2owd/IMG_6494.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 14, 2016, 01:06:49 PM
not that i wanted coughlin....hes old and awful...but definitely the eagles are coming in with coach demands. they probably want shurmur as oc and to keep duce on staff somewhere.

like i said just hire shurmur, who will gladly be micromanaged by that twerp howie. this thing will fail and in 2 years jeff will blow it up. i guess.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:10:33 PM
How toxic is Howie?

Amazing blindness by Lurie.

Stand by your man, Jeff...he's burning your team to the farging ground
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

Your opinion is validated. Get you a nice victory lap
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

Your opinion is validated. Get you a nice victory lap

wow buddy proud of your ability to admit the eagles aint shtein....baby steps but maybe you delving into my hater manual is having some effect
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 01:28:22 PM
Another gotcha moment
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:31:19 PM
no one is talking to you cranial lump
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

Your opinion is validated. Get you a nice victory lap

wow buddy proud of your ability to admit the eagles aint shtein....baby steps but maybe you delving into my hater manual is having some effect

You're catching me at a vulnerable moment

On what page is the instruction manual for burning the "GM's" house to the ground?

How much would we have to pay lil guy to get into some jew mafia and get it done?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 01:43:18 PM
Maybe Howie will just name himself head coach. Sure, he's unqualified, but it's not like he's any less qualified than he was to be a GM.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

Your opinion is validated. Get you a nice victory lap

wow buddy proud of your ability to admit the eagles aint shtein....baby steps but maybe you delving into my hater manual is having some effect

You're catching me at a vulnerable moment

On what page is the instruction manual for burning the "GM's" house to the ground?

How much would we have to pay lil guy to get into some jew mafia and get it done?

lil guy be like imma call me a couple hard pipe hittin hasidics to go to work on the howie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 02:12:29 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 01:11:10 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 06, 2016, 10:16:34 PM
I think you're being more jaded than normal...

Miami is a better job since when?

Your opinion is validated. Get you a nice victory lap

wow buddy proud of your ability to admit the eagles aint shtein....baby steps but maybe you delving into my hater manual is having some effect

You're catching me at a vulnerable moment

On what page is the instruction manual for burning the "GM's" house to the ground?

How much would we have to pay lil guy to get into some jew mafia and get it done?

lil guy be like imma call me a couple hard pipe hittin hasidics to go to work on the howie

Hahaha...that's good
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 02:15:29 PM
Don't wanna farg with the Cheltenham crew
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Hard not to view this as a clown show at this point.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Hard not to view this as a clown show at this point.

"They (#Eagles) wanted to talk to Hue Jackson, but he took Browns job, which threw them for a loop." - @DanGrazianoESPN
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: MDS on January 14, 2016, 02:58:03 PM
so to recap

gase chose the dolphins
macadoo chose the giants
coughlin chose retirement
jackson chose the browns and didnt even want to speak to the eagles

marquee franchise!
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 14, 2016, 02:58:03 PM
jackson chose the browns and didnt even want to speak to the eagles

It's worse than that because the Eagles called him and were told it was too late in the process.

Good thing they got that week head start though.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 03:01:23 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Hard not to view this as a clown show at this point.

"They (#Eagles) wanted to talk to Hue Jackson, but he took Browns job, which threw them for a loop." - @DanGrazianoESPN

That's incorrect - Graziano was talking about the Giants

Twitter, man.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 03:04:50 PM
Just a reminder that it doesn't matter that Graziano was talking about the Giants, the Hue news broke yesterday:

Quote from: QB Eagles on January 13, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
Michael Silver at SI says the Eagles called Hue but it was too late.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
Yeah I saw that too

That's their fault for waiting to call him while he was signing the contract with Cleveland
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Quote from: MDS on January 14, 2016, 02:58:03 PM
so to recap

gase chose the dolphins
macadoo chose the giants
coughlin chose retirement
jackson chose the browns and didnt even want to speak to the eagles

marquee franchise!

they are on the marquee at a bukkake strip club in milmont park
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: JackStraw on January 14, 2016, 03:19:16 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on January 14, 2016, 02:27:48 PM
Hard not to view this as a clown show at this point.

The search or the thread?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on January 14, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
Both
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 04:08:13 PM
McManus makes a good point

They interview Dougie and then immediately after push to hire McAdoo and then Coughlin

Sounds like one helluva ringing endorsement for him eh?

Also a couple NY writers have said that Coughlin wanted to bring most of his staff from NY and that they weren't going to be let out of theirs contracts

Either way a total clown show led by Howie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 04:08:13 PM
Either way a total clown show led by Howie

This is Howie's ship now and I think Lurie is giving him a relatively short leash....2 years tops. So far, it hasn't gotten off to a good start.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 04:08:13 PM
Sounds like one helluva ringing endorsement for him eh?

It's an open secret that whoever they hire is Plan D (unless they whiff on even more hires).

I wonder how many times Lurie will reference Andy during the Pederson press conference.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 04:54:57 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on January 14, 2016, 04:18:52 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 04:08:13 PM
Sounds like one helluva ringing endorsement for him eh?

It's an open secret that whoever they hire is Plan D (unless they whiff on even more hires).

I wonder how many times Lurie will reference Andy during the Pederson press conference.

And he will say Doug was their numba one the whole time

Philly media is gonna feast on Lurie and Howie
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 14, 2016, 06:13:00 PM
Sooo, Duce was:

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/d715ff303711657c0aaa5dc0104e6272/tumblr_inline_nppcibwx4I1t6ovh5_540.jpg)
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 06:47:55 PM
I think he was token but I also think Lurie gave him a fair shake. If Lurie wasn't going to at least consider him, I don't think he wastes his own time with the interview.  It also just happened to put a check in the EEO box.  Lurie can always say that he put in the call to Hue, but was too late. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
you cant just call a minority candidate you have to actually interview them....duce was right down the hall which made it easy to get out of the way
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 07:18:28 PM
No, I mean that if anyone wants to accuse Lurie of doing a token interview with Duce, he can always say that he put in a call to Hue but missed out.  I have no idea if the league can even look into something like that, but if they do, Lurie at least has something to point to, even if it didn't lead to an interview. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Don Ho on January 14, 2016, 07:21:38 PM
I'll give Dougie a chance.  Howie's had his so he can farg off.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 07:18:28 PM
if anyone wants to accuse Lurie of doing a token interview with Duce

if anyone did that (league already has) theyd be right....it was a complete farce
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on January 14, 2016, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
you cant just call a minority candidate you have to actually interview them....duce was right down the hall which made it easy to get out of the way

Duce was probably sitting in his office watching film and his intercoms buzzes

"Duce it's Jeffrey - would you like to be HC?"

"Uhhh yeah."

"Ok thanks"
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on January 14, 2016, 08:19:00 PM
I think it was reported that Duce asked for the interview and Lurie gave him one.  I still don't think it was a 100% token job unless Lurie had already identified his guy and wanted to get that out of the way, but I don't think Lurie had anyone specific that he favored, otherwise that person would have been hired a week ago.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
duce has no business being interviewed for a coordinator job...the fact he was interviewed for the HC position of an nfl team is preposterous
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Butchers Bill on January 14, 2016, 08:37:34 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2016, 08:32:21 PM
duce has no business being interviewed for a coordinator job...the fact he was interviewed for the HC position of an nfl team is preposterous

Yeah, I don't see how anyone could argue that Duce was a legitimate HC interview in the spirit of the Rooney rule.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: BigEd76 on February 02, 2016, 06:23:52 PM
McDermott said last night he talked to Howie about the HC job the day after the regular season ended and it was clear early on the Birds wanted an offensive-minded coach
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Sgt PSN on February 02, 2016, 10:19:42 PM
Saw that too.  Still think it was foolish to not have a formal interview with him when Carolina had a bye week, but whatevs. At least with then having a coach, they're able to get started on their offseason rather than having to wait until after the SB. Basically gave them a month head start.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on March 03, 2016, 05:31:57 PM
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/03/ex-giants_coach_tom_coughlin_bombed_eagles_intervi.html

QuoteCoughlin acted like a 20-year old whose girlfriend had dumped him and he was trying to make her jealous by dating her No. 1 enemy on the rebound. NFL sources say his hard feelings for the Giants came through loud and clear in the interview with the Eagles brain trust, which included owner Jeffrey Lurie, and he was obsessed with how he felt wronged by the Giants. He was not forthcoming about his plans for his staff. He came off more concerned with making the Giants look bad than being consumed with coaching the Eagles.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on March 03, 2016, 05:35:08 PM
[IGY]typical gold standard missed out on the next buddy ryan[/IGY]
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on April 09, 2016, 09:31:56 PM
I read this a few days ago, but people keep sending it to me. I'm not doubting he was banging his secretary, but the whole Reid pawning him off to the Eagles seems absurd. Why not just fire the guy? I'll just throw this in here for discussions sake

http://www.barstoolsports.com/philadelphia/conspiracy-did-you-hear-the-one-about-doug-pederson-slaying-his-secretary-in-kc-and-which-led-to-andy-reid-playing-the-eagles-like-a-fiddle/
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on April 09, 2016, 11:11:45 PM
Whatever the truth is, I am utterly delighted that Andy Reid is no longer directly associated with the Philadelphia Eagles. 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on April 10, 2016, 09:03:22 AM
Who gives a rat's ass if he was banging some broad?   If cheating on your wife disqualifies you for a job, most of the married men in this country would be unemployed.   As for Reid playing the Eagles for chumps, that surprises me not one bit.    He played them for fools for a decade and now he's doing the same thing in KC.   Dude is a flat-out fraud.

Time's yours.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Diomedes on April 10, 2016, 09:24:27 AM
My disdain for Reid only grows as time passes.

I cannot believe, for example, that anyone thought it was a good idea for him to hire his farg up sons as quality control coaches, or whatever the farging title was.  You see that kind of thing going on in an organization, it's time to update your resume and gtfo.  That shtein is the opposite of professional.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 11:32:50 AM
i don't get how andy reid played the eagles....did he make a fake resume for doug pederson that showed he deserved to get an nfl coaching job?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on April 10, 2016, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 11:32:50 AM
i don't get how andy reid played the eagles....did he make a fake resume for doug pederson that showed he deserved to get an nfl coaching job?

Well he did make Doug his offensive coordinator, so yes?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on April 10, 2016, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 11:32:50 AM
i don't get how andy reid played the eagles....did he make a fake resume for doug pederson that showed he deserved to get an nfl coaching job?

The conspiracy premise is Reid and Pederson's wifes are good friends. Pederson was banging some secretary. Everyone knew about it except the Eagles. The whole thing was supposedly a big distraction in KC. Instead of firing Pederson, Reid sold the Eagles/Howie on him to save face. Howie didn't vet Pederson because he trusted Reid. Later Howie learns about the affair, confronts Reid, and they have words.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 12:21:36 PM
I blame the buyer not the seller
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
Tmz or NFL football?
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 01:34:08 PM
Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on April 10, 2016, 12:35:00 PM
Tmz or NFL football?

the Eagles
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on April 10, 2016, 01:46:16 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 12:21:36 PM
I blame the buyer not the seller

If you believe the conspiracy then that's 100% on Howie and Mr. Emotional Intelligence
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on April 10, 2016, 02:59:14 PM
I blame them for hiring him period
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: phattymatty on April 11, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
dumbest conspiracy theory of all time?

i'm trying but it's really hard to piece together how dougie stuffing his secretary has anything to do with the eagles hiring him.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: ice grillin you on April 11, 2016, 10:08:04 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 11, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
dumbest conspiracy theory of all time?

i'm trying but it's really hard to piece together how dougie stuffing his secretary has anything to do with the eagles hiring him.

apparently andy reid turned his swirly lollipop in front of Jeffery luries face and made him hire doug pederson
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on April 11, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Lurie hired him so they can swap negging tips.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on December 31, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
Reading this thread is good stuff.  We were all wrong about Dougie Doug.  Some more than others.

<Insert Smiley Face>
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: terpseagles on December 31, 2018, 02:23:18 PM
So he wasn't banging a secretary in KC? 
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: smeags on December 31, 2018, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 14, 2016, 12:43:36 PM
well, I just hope its not coughlin or Pederson.

I was so spot on with my opinion.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: General_Failure on December 31, 2018, 02:59:13 PM
There's no proof that Pederson wasn't hired as a stopgap guy, but they're probably not firing him this offseason.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 31, 2018, 03:13:56 PM
Howie knocked it outta the park with Pederson. All these half assed assistants and retreads and he gets it right with a guy no one wanted.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: QB Eagles on December 31, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
Remember that the Eagles tried to hire McAdoo and the Giants decided they had to swoop in and make him HC. Pederson definitely was not their first choice.
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: PhillyPhreak54 on December 31, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
What a trip down memory lane

I wanted Coughlin just so they didn't get Pederson

Ripped Howie and wanted an aggressive DC

Also was all Duce
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 31, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
Remember that the Eagles tried to hire McAdoo and the Giants decided they had to swoop in and make him HC. Pederson definitely was not their first choice.

Big life lesson: sometimes the first choice isn't the best choice

Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: SD on December 31, 2018, 05:31:00 PM
QuoteHere's a look at what happened to the other 2016 coaching hires — all of whom were graded as better coaches than Doug Pederson at the time.

Adam Gase: Fired today, 12/31/18

Mike Mularkey: Fired

Hue Jackson: Fired

Chip Kelly: Fired

Dirk Koetter: Fired

Ben McAdoo: Fired
Title: Re: 2016 Head Coach Search
Post by: Rome on December 31, 2018, 05:49:39 PM
Quote from: BDN on December 31, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on December 31, 2018, 03:50:40 PM
Remember that the Eagles tried to hire McAdoo and the Giants decided they had to swoop in and make him HC. Pederson definitely was not their first choice.

Big life lesson: sometimes the first choice isn't the best choice

Oh so you've been talking to my wife again, huh?

Nice.