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QuoteThe Sixers will have to endure an absolutely brutal start to their 2006-07 season. In fact, tonight's season opener against Atlanta at the Wachovia Center marks one of only four games in the first month of the season against teams that did not make the 2006 playoffs.

They will play six of the initial nine and 10 of their first 15 games on the road. When they return home Jan. 5 from their annual long post-Christmas road trip, they will have played 33 games, 22 of them away from South Philadelphia

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2006, 07:14:52 AM
Go. Magic.

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2006, 10:32:20 AM
more wins this year: flyers/sixers

Quote from: FFatPatt on November 01, 2006, 10:31:08 AM

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 01, 2006, 07:14:52 AM
Go. Magic.

Quote from: MDS on November 01, 2006, 01:15:40 PM
team basketball

Quote from: MDS on November 01, 2006, 01:15:40 PM
Jacqueer Nelson? Please.

I'm excited for some team basketball.

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 01, 2006, 08:07:14 AM
Here ya go IGY...a pic of your boy to get you ready for the season!

you and him can both share the warmest bed in hell

Quote from: Dillen37 on November 01, 2006, 09:10:06 PM
Dont look now, but the 76ers dont suck.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 02, 2006, 09:32:21 AM
On that layup Carney had, his speed and quickness to the rim was amazing. That was nice to see. It was also nice to see Sammy not getting into early foul trouble.

On to play Romey's boys on Friday.

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 02, 2006, 06:16:26 AM
Dont look now, but the 76ers dont suck as bad as atlanta

Quote from: hunt on November 02, 2006, 01:31:55 PM
carney will be the next chad johnson.

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 10:15:40 PM
im not suggesting its going to happen but yous do realize the team loses its first round pick if it makes the playoffs

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 03, 2006, 10:15:40 PM
im not suggesting its going to happen but yous do realize the team loses its first round pick if it makes the playoffs

Quote from: SD_Eagle on November 03, 2006, 09:52:53 PM
Sixers win! AI with the game winner with 2 seconds left. Korver had a monster night. 2-0.

Go farg yourself Rome.

QuoteKorver was a particular sore spot for the Magic, who tried four different defenders on him, but couldn't find one that could stop him. He hit all four 3-point attempts and all four free throw shots in a near-perfect night of shooting.

"You can tell Kyle likes the new basketball and if he likes it, I'll just deal with it," Iverson said. "I call him 'The Sniper' and he proved it tonight."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 03, 2006, 10:35:56 PMYep. Because of the Robinson trade to NO, I believe.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 06, 2006, 09:35:04 AM
6-0 at the end of the week?

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2006, 09:50:01 AM
ill gladly stay off the bandwagon...because if this team somehow makes the playoffs and loses a first round pick i will not be happy in the least

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 06, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
so youd trade a top ten pick to win one round in the playoffs?

youve lost it

Quote from: Sgt PSN on November 07, 2006, 10:09:49 AM
Korver swings at bad pitches too? 

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 05:38:40 AM
They played about as good as the picture on Comcast --terrible.

That was annoying to watch the game with the colors on the screen screwed up.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 08, 2006, 05:38:40 AM
They played about as good as the picture on Comcast --terrible.

That was annoying to watch the game with the colors on the screen screwed up.

They lost the game on the boards. Gotta rebound better. And drive it to the hoop. Too many jumpers last night. :boo

Quote from: King Cole on November 08, 2006, 10:23:02 PM
BAAAAALLIN.

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 12, 2006, 06:26:04 PM
According to CSN, the Pistons were trying to trade for AI back in June at the draft...

QuoteWebber Wants Out Of Philly
16th November, 2006 - 5:05 pm
Sacramento Bee -
Chris Webber does not want to be a near irrelavent component of the 76ers and if that is what the team intends for him, he wants to be dealt. He has talked to the club's management about the issue.

"I'm not going to keep playing like this," Webber said after scoring six points in 23 minutes in Philadelphia's 96-90 victory Wednesday night in Seattle.

"I don't like this role," he said. "So, you can take that however you want."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2006, 07:54:12 PM
Webber wants out.

QuoteWebber Wants Out Of Philly
16th November, 2006 - 5:05 pm
Sacramento Bee -
Chris Webber does not want to be a near irrelavent component of the 76ers and if that is what the team intends for him, he wants to be dealt. He has talked to the club's management about the issue.

"I'm not going to keep playing like this," Webber said after scoring six points in 23 minutes in Philadelphia's 96-90 victory Wednesday night in Seattle.

"I don't like this role," he said. "So, you can take that however you want."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on November 16, 2006, 08:01:31 PM
I am (was?) a Webber fan, but he needs to shut up. Maybe igy was right about him being bitchmade. Who would take him? The Knicks?

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on November 16, 2006, 08:12:46 PM
How would he fit in?  Ummm... like a glove?

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 17, 2006, 12:37:50 AM
two trades to the Knicks that work under the cap:

-- Francis and Jerome James
-- Crawford, Malik Rose and Jerome James

eh

Quote from: ice grillin you on November 17, 2006, 09:40:22 AM
I don't care that he asked to be traded. What I do care about is that he chose to whine about it to the media in his old city; he is getting 20 mil to play and he's whining...if the coach says sit, sit on your ass and collect that check and shut up. Or at least don't whine to the press...take it up with Mo and/or Billy.


i agree but thats who webber is and thats the kind of person hes been since he started being treated like a king in 10th grade at country day and got paid at michigan...and choked and cowered like a little bitch against the lakers all those years...and whined about nellie and chris ford...and now this....


the guy is a POS loser and has been for 15 years

QuoteQ: So, one day last week I see Sixers GM Billy King in a restaurant in Philly. I started thinking "Does he deal with ordering food the same way he signs NBA players?" If he ordered the steak, if it's an OK steak but nothing fantastic, does he offer to pay double or triple the market value for it? Maybe there could be a show where Billy King negotiates car prices for people who stand by dumbfounded as he offers $27,000 for a 1987 Toyota Camry with 167,000 miles.
-- Adam, Philadelphia

SG: I had a sarcastic follow-up joke here ... then I remembered that my favorite baseball team just spent $51.1 million for the right to negotiate a free agent contract for a Japanese pitcher who's represented by Scott Boras. I'll shut up now.

Quote from: SunMo on November 19, 2006, 07:43:16 PM
are those permanent?  why the basketball always have to flying?

Quote from: BigEd76 on November 19, 2006, 12:38:36 PM
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QuoteA.I. faces fine for skipping team function; leaves practice early, too

By PHIL JASNER
jasnerp@phillynews.com

It didn't cost anything for corporate sponsors and others to attend a 76ers meet-and-greet last night at the Lucky Strike Bowling Lanes.

It cost Allen Iverson a substantial amount of money for not attending.

Coach Maurice Cheeks confirmed that the Sixers captain was the only player not to make a mandatory appearance at the event, and said he "will be fined accordingly.''

The Center City event was attended by about 300 sponsors, premium seat-holders and some season ticketholders.

"We would have liked him to be there, but he wasn't, and that was his choice,'' Cheeks said. "I can't speculate on why he wasn't there, but he wasn't there.''

A source said Iverson was upset when he left practice earlier in the day, less than an hour after the 11 a.m. start at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine.

After practice, Cheeks said Iverson had left early because he "was a little fatigued.''

Asked whether Iverson had been upset, Cheeks said, "Whatever happened between him and me, I'd like to keep that private.''

Iverson was coming off a 45-point performance in Monday night's 103-91 loss in Miami in which he shot 17-for-37 from the floor. Since missing two games because of dental surgery to have an abscessed wisdom tooth removed, he has accumulated 122 points in three games, including a loss to Detroit and a victory over Chicago.

In mid-October, Iverson said that the players last season took some advantage of Cheeks, a former star guard with the team who also had served as an assistant coach. Last season was Cheeks' first as the head coach, succeeding the fired Jim O'Brien.

"It's always like that in life, it's always like that,'' Iverson said at the time. "As a parent, you know your kid is always going to take advantage of you if they can. Anybody in life will try to take advantage if they can.

"It's just been that way. If somebody's easygoing and they're laid-back, you're going to expect them to be that way all the time, and you'll act accordingly. That's the way it's probably been, even [with] myself, just knowing Mo Cheeks and knowing him as a person, not really knowing him as a head coach.

"It was kind of [easier] than it had been for me. I had tough coaches. It was real different for me. It's important for us to not try to take advantage of something like that. You've got to respect him for being the person that he is, and respect him for the job that he has.''

At the time, Iverson also said, "He's still kind of laid-back at times, but he's been a little different from the Mo Cheeks that I know. I think he has a lot of pressure on him to succeed around here, and he's going to make sure everything's done his way.''

Quote from: phattymatty on November 30, 2006, 02:32:57 PM
if i was a superstar athlete, i wouldn't be wasting my time meeting a bunch of suits and shmoes like you guys either.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 01, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
The fan appreciation night was bad. This latest is crap. Who cares? Only the AI haters do.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 01, 2006, 11:45:40 AM
Nothing says team cohesion like one guy getting to do whatever the farg he wants while everyone else follows the rules.

Quote from: SunMo on December 01, 2006, 11:46:17 AM
welcome to the world of professional sports

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2006, 11:55:08 AM
he doesnt get to do what he wants...he wants to blow off the event he pays the price in a fine...you want him cut or arrested then complain to the league about the collective bargining agreement or get congress to pass a law making it illegal to miss any off court team functions

QuoteIverson fined. Cheeks said Allen Iverson was fined for missing a mandatory team function Wednesday night with corporate sponsors, premium seat holders and some season-ticket holders. The amount of the fine was not disclosed.

"That's unfortunate," Cheeks said yesterday. "We certainly would like him to be there. But he's been fined. That's how we're going to leave it."

Cheeks said Iverson, who has averaged 40.7 points in his three games since returning from a two-game absence resulting from dental surgery, practiced with the team yesterday. The coach replied in the negative when asked if the team captain told him why he missed the function.

The Sixers held a gathering for their VIPs with players and members of the coaching staff and front office at Lucky Strike Bowling Lanes in Center City. Iverson was the only player to miss the party, Cheeks said.

King was not available for comment.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 01, 2006, 12:46:51 PM
Cheeks:  So, Allen - why'd you miss the mandatory team function yesterday?

Iverson: * Crickets * Shut the farg up, I don't have to answer to you

Cheeks: Yes, Sir

Awesome.   :yay

Quote"I don't have any answers for what's going on," Iverson said. "We're not having no fun out there on the basketball court. That has a lot to do with losing."
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"This is not the way it was supposed to be," coach Maurice Cheeks said. "It's not what I envisioned. Our effort on the floor tonight wasn't good enough. We're still searching for an answer."

QuoteWe're still searching for an answer."

Quote from: Dillen37 on December 06, 2006, 06:58:13 AM
NBA.com front page article (http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20061205/ANAFTW/recap.html)
Louis Williams was 12-13 shooting and scored 35 points with 7 assists.

QuoteMoncrief said he is pleased with the win streak, but as a coach, knows there can be improvements.

"I wouldn't trade 4-0 playing okay for 2-2 playing perfect," he said. "I'll take the 4-0 any day of the week."

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2006, 12:08:56 PM
or he could read his contract where it's already made it "illegal" fine worthy to miss team fuctions.

he knows and he paid the money accordingly

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 06, 2006, 09:42:49 PM
41-16 right now...Chicago is on a 21-2 run.

These guys fargin suck

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 06, 2006, 09:48:18 PM
they are gonna have a top three pick for at least the next three years

Quote
BAD ANSWER
IVERSON ON WAY OUT OF PHILLY LOOSE BALL: Allen Iverson, prone on the court, watches the ball bounce away during the 76ers' 121-94 loss at Chicago on Wednesday.
December 8, 2006 -- THE Allen Iverson Period in Philadelphia is rapidly dragging to an undignified conclusion.

According to two agents whose clients play for the 76ers, Iverson went to team president Billy King this past Tuesday and demanded to be traded, something he professed repeatedly over the years he'd never do.

According to two general managers King contacted yesterday, the 76ers are aggressively attempting to accommodate their forlorn franchise player, whose prohibitive salary (currently $17.1 million with $19M and $20.8M remaining) makes him a difficult sell despite a 31-point average - at least if the Sixers hope to harvest relatively equal value.

At the same time, emphasized one of those GMs: "A.I. is not the only player Billy is looking to move. His second breath is about Chris Webber." And that's not where the conversation stops.

Everybody is gladly available. Andre Iguodala or Sam Dalembert may have to be surrendered in order to move Webber ($20.7M/22.3M next season) or A.I. "But the big push is on to deal Iverson."

That's not solely because he wants out, but because his attitude leaves management no other option. If he were going along with the program, the 76ers would hide and wait for the right opening.

The night after filing for divorce, Iverson essentially put his effort on cruise control in Chicago as the Bulls exterminated the 76ers, 121-94, vaulting to a 39-16 first-quarter spread and winning the subsequent three.

Imagine how competitive it would've been had the Sixers not held a team meeting that afternoon.

A convulsive back was cited as the explanation for Iverson's 25-point (7-17) seven-assist, seven-turnover, defensively-felonious performance. Don't be foolish enough to fall for it. Or Maurice Cheeks' counterfeit contention the 76ers' spirit is "still there," players "still are trying" and "no one has given up."

Iverson, indeed, gave up. "If you know your leader doesn't care, how are we supposed to play with the guy?" steamed a teammate to his agent.

According to the same agent, Iverson told King he likes Cheeks as a person "but not as a coach." In other words, "either he goes or I go."

Despite numerous people in Philadelphia and Portland (where Cheeks coached for three seasons and 55 games) believing Maurice is overmatched on the sidelines, he has the full support of Chairman Ed Snider and King.

December 8, 2006 -- CONTINUED

As yet another GM points out: "The [76ers] didn't make the playoffs last year and didn't do anything of consequence during the offseason to improve. Regardless of what you may think of Cheeks' coaching acumen, how can be his fault?"

Iverson may not blame Cheeks for the 76ers' worst record in the Atlantic Division, but there's no question they've got differences that aren't going away. One of them pertains to Iverson's lack of attention to detail, lack of respect for authority and unwillingness to practice hard.

Following a conflict at workout last week, Iverson stormed out of the building. That evening he failed to show for a mandatory team function for corporate sponsors and prime season ticket holders.

The announced reason was "after-effects of dental surgery." One of the aforementioned agents contends Iverson told teammates earlier in the day he planned to blow off the event and was simply going to take the fine. For whatever it's worth, Iverson apologized to everyone he stiffed.

Last but certainly not least, it's time to try to figure out Iverson's destination. That is, if it's humanely possible to re-route him. I have to believe there are plenty of teams that would take the plunge because they're desperate for help in the stands, as well as the standings . . . as long as the cost isn't excessive. All it takes is one.

Eliminate the Knicks from the git-go; there's not a chowder clam's chance of the 76ers taking Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis off Isiah Thomas' Dead Sea payroll.

Why wouldn't the staggering Celtics still be interested? The 76ers can do a lot worse than accept several of their young players along with, say, chronically injured Theo Ratliff, who would be allowed to retire gracefully.

The Hawks, too, possess a surplus of young talent at several positions, though the startling play of Tyronn Lue is packing them in (four sellouts in eight home games) so far.

Denver's George Karl expressed interest at one point last season. Andre Miller, Linas Kleiza and Joe Smith might pique the 76ers' interest.

Or how great would it be to see Iverson and Kevin Garnett paired in Minnesota, giving them the opportunity to win their first championship in concert. That way the 76ers could acquire Randy Foye, the object of their affections last June (in Celtics trade talk) and maybe Mike James. That way Minnesota could dump a particularly burdensome contract or two, either Marko Jaric or Troy Hudson.

The Pacers, too, are looking to do something big, reveals a league source. Larry Bird is unhappy with his team's chemistry, meaning Stephen Jackson and Jamaal Tinsley aren't fitting into Rick Carlisle's system. Another $4M-to-$5M piece would have to be included.

QuoteIverson went to team president Billy King this past Tuesday and demanded to be traded, something he professed repeatedly over the years he'd never do.

QuoteReport: Iverson wants out of Philly
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Allen Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers have put up with each other, through good times and bad, for the last decade.

But that could be coming to an end very soon. According to a report on the New York Post's website, Iverson has demanded a trade.
Citing two agents whose clients play for the 76ers, the Post report said Iverson went to team president Billy King last Tuesday and made the demand, even though he'd said throughout his career that he'd never do such a thing.

The Post also cites two general managers that King contacted on Thursday, who claim the 76ers are aggressively trying to accommodate Iverson's request.

The 76ers have lost five straight to fall to 5-12 on the season. And even though that mark leaves them just a game-and-a-half out of first place in the woeful Atlantic Division, Iverson has grown increasingly frustrated with the team's situation.

Particularly its head coach.

The Post report quotes an unnamed agent who said Iverson told King he likes Maurice Cheeks as a person, "but not as a coach."

Iverson's stretch in Philly has seen highs — most notably an appearance in the 2001 NBA Finals and an MVP season in 2000-01.

But it has also been characterized by clashes with 76ers management. Iverson was suspended during the 2003-04 season for missing practice, leading to the infamous "We're talking about practice" press conference. Iverson also was benched for last year's season finale after showing up late for fan appreciation night.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2006, 09:03:03 PM
Let's just hope that Billy makes a good deal.

Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 09:10:35 PM
you're over valuing him.  they should be happy to get one high pick OR a good young player along with the obligatory garbage salaries they have to take.

Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 09:04:11 PM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2006, 09:03:03 PM
Let's just hope that Billy makes a good deal.

lol @ u

Quote from: King Cole on December 08, 2006, 09:12:55 PM
He's one of the best players in the history of the game.

Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 09:16:20 PM

Quote from: King Cole on December 08, 2006, 09:12:55 PM
He's one of the best players in the history of the game.

so is Bill Russell, you think someone would give up a 1st round pick for him too?

AI has a huge contract, a reputation for not being a team player, and just got banned from his team.  you think he's at the peak of his value right now?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2006, 09:20:02 PM
I don't want Ricky Davis either. He's a bum.

Foye wold be the centerpiece of that deal, IMO.

Foye, Carney, Igoudala, Green & Korver = good young nucleus.

Quote from: SunMo on December 08, 2006, 09:20:40 PM
don't forget all world foul machine Sammy D

Quote from: MDS on December 08, 2006, 10:06:41 PM
What? I have the game on mute. Who would admit to that? Just privatley apologize to AI and promise to let something slide next time he hears something AI don't want out there. Haha Jim Gray, what a dope.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 08, 2006, 10:10:40 PM
The AI imposter was probably one of his boys that he's flipping the cell phone bill for.

Quote from: MDS on December 08, 2006, 10:13:13 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 08, 2006, 10:10:40 PM
The AI imposter was probably one of his boys that he's flipping the cell phone bill for.

yep, probably. Strike two now for Gray, after the Shane Spencer thing back a while.  Wonder what he'll do to fully tarnish any shread of credibility he has left.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2006, 10:22:44 PM

Quote from: MDS on December 08, 2006, 10:13:13 PM

Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 08, 2006, 10:10:40 PM
The AI imposter was probably one of his boys that he's flipping the cell phone bill for.

yep, probably. Strike two now for Gray, after the Shane Spencer thing back a while.  Wonder what he'll do to fully tarnish any shread of credibility he has left.

Didn't he go after Pete Rose pretty bad awhile back while on the field in SF for that ceremony?

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 08, 2006, 10:25:58 PM
I wonder how much Howard Eskin and his gang of AI haters will be beating their dicks tonight and dancing on AI's grave?

QuoteWhere will Iverson be traded to?
By David Aldridge
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Well, we knew it would happen sooner or later, so now is as good a time as any.

We told you on draft night in June that Allen Iverson wouldn't make it through the season with the 76ers. And now, the fuse has been lit. It's just a matter of when it goes off, and we can all get on with our basketball lives.

Does it really matter if it's Iverson who's stoking the fire, as the New York Post reported yesterday, or if it's Billy King serving as the catalyst? Iverson's asked to be traded before, and King's tried to accommodate him before. Last time, it was King instigating trade talks and Iverson reacting.

Bottom line: We're back to where we've been a half dozen or so times in the last few years.

At least there's a potential market for Iverson, small as it may be. There is no interest anywhere in taking on the last 19 months and $43 million of Chris Webber's deal.

"No one's taking Webber," an Eastern Conference coach said yesterday.

So, Iverson. We're way, way past the point of equal value; this is a salvage operation from here on out. Where can King turn? Here's where he's likely placing calls:

1. Denver: This nearly happened in February, when the Sixers almost pulled the trigger on a deal that would have sent Iverson to the Nuggets for a package including Kenyon Martin. King denied that any talks with Denver got serious, blaming loose lips on the Nuggets.

Believe whomever you want.

But the Nuggets still have interest. With Martin shelved for the rest of the season, Carmelo Anthony is seeking a true second scoring option. Yes, J.R. Smith has been better than advertised, but George Karl, who's coached the likes of Gary Payton and Anthony Mason over the years, won't be intimidated by Iverson, and he is intrigued by playing his high-octane style with Iverson and Anthony flying up and down the court.

The Denver package would almost certainly include guard Andre Miller - whom the Sixers don't especially like, but desperation makes for strange conversions - and either of two veteran forwards, Eduardo Najera or Joe Smith. To make the deal work cap-wise, Philly would have to take a body or two from the pile of Julius Hodge, DerMarr Johnson or Jamal Sampson.

They're talking.

2. Boston: You all know how close things got around the draft, when the Sixers, Celtics and Jazz nearly pulled off a three-way deal that would have sent Iverson to Beantown, Carlos Boozer (and Boston's first-round pick) to Philly, and Wally Szczerbiak to the Jazz. Discussions have cooled considerably since then, with the Sixers still reluctant to move Iverson within the division and Utah certainly no longer taking calls about Boozer.

Without a third team, however, a deal with Boston is far less likely. Boston's not trading Paul Pierce, and the Sixers aren't much interested in Szczerbiak. The Celtics aren't wedded to all of their young players (Gerald Green and Delonte West are the current untouchables, with rookie Rajon Rondo an almost), but they no longer have contracts with enough loot to make a one-on-one deal possible.

That could change if Philly could coerce a team like, say, Minnesota to get involved along with Boston. (No, not for Kevin Garnett; think Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.)

They've talked. They'll probably talk again.

3. Indiana: The disappointing Pacers are looking to shake things up, and Larry Bird has always been an Iverson fan. The question, though, is whether Indiana, reeling from numerous public relations disasters involving its players, can bring A.I. to town. If they answer yes, they'd want to keep Jermaine O'Neal (otherwise, what's the point of the deal?), so the trade would have to involve point guard Jamaal Tinsley. The Sixers would certainly also ask for rebounding machine Jeff Foster. But would the Pacers also part with second-year forward Danny Granger or Marquis Daniels, the former Maverick?

Hear they're talking, but don't know how seriously.

4. Memphis: Any trade talks involving the Grizzlies have been on hold - at least that's what Jerry West has been saying - while the majority interest in the team was being pursued by former Duke player Brian Davis' group.

But it looks as if the Davis purchase may come a cropper, with the league taking the unusual step of publicly rebuking Davis last week for not providing all of the financial information the league needs to consider his bid.

If the faucet is eventually turned back on, the Grizzlies - 28th in the league in attendance through Thursday, at just more than 15,400 per game - desperately need someone who can fill FedEx Forum on a more regular basis.

5. Sacramento: A long shot, but if the Kings really are shopping Mike Bibby (not for Iverson, just shopping him), you have to give them a call.

6-30. Atlanta, Golden State, Indiana, blah, blah, blah: We don't see another player out there now, but it takes only one phone call to change that.

Quote from: hunt on December 09, 2006, 10:37:48 AM
i don't give a crap where he goes...as long as he's out of philly & no  longer ruining my favorite team with his selfishness.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 09, 2006, 10:47:12 AM

Quote from: hunt on December 09, 2006, 10:37:48 AM
i don't give a crap where he goes...as long as he's out of philly & no  longer ruining my favorite team with his selfishness.

I'm glad he'll be gone too so you haters have to find something else to piss and moan about.

Now we get to watch even worse basketball. And we'll see exactly how much subtracting him improves the team which many of y'all have claimed it would do over the years.

QuoteMavs, C's eye A.I.

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
December 8, 2006




The Dallas Mavericks and Boston Celtics have emerged as the leaders to trade for disgruntled Philadelphia 76ers star Allen Iverson, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Friday night.

According to sources, 76ers general manager Billy King has targeted Mavericks guard Devin Harris – a favorite of the executive's going back to Harris' college days at Wisconsin – as a primary piece to a potential package with Dallas.

Mavericks owner Mark Cuban wouldn't deny that he's engaged in trying to make a deal for Iverson but wrote in an email to Yahoo! Sports on Friday night, "We wouldn't trade Devin."

King has been telling teams that he wants a combination of expiring contracts, young players and draft picks for Iverson. Sixers owner, Ed Snider, flatly said Friday night: "We'll trade him."

Several teams in the past few days have expressed interest in the 2001 NBA MVP and four-time league scoring champion, including the Denver Nuggets – who like Boston – discussed those trade possibilities with the 76ers before last June's NBA draft.

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The Celtics have a deep roster of young players, including forward Al Jefferson and guards Delonte West, Sebastian Telfair and Rajon Rondo, to send to Philadelphia. Also, they have the weighty veteran contract of Theo Ratliff to help balance Iverson's contract in a deal.

The Minnesota Timberwolves, with a possible package of Ricky Davis and rookie guard Randy Foye out of Villanova, is also believed to be a factor.

What had long been a tumultuous relationship between Iverson and the 76ers reached a breaking point this week.

As the New York Post initially reported on Friday, Iverson asked King for a trade on Tuesday and the G.M. soon thereafter started exploring possible deals around the league. After missing practice on Thursday and a shootaround on Friday with apparent back spasms, Iverson said he was well enough to play in Philadelphia's game against Washington on Friday night.

However, Iverson said 76ers coach Maurice Cheeks told him to stay away from the Wachovia Center and informed Iverson that he wouldn't be traveling to Orlando for a Saturday meeting with the Magic.

After getting banished for two games, Iverson issued a statement through his agent Leon Rose that sounded like he was resigned to the inevitability of a trade. More and more, it sounds like his 11-year career in Philadelphia is coming to a close.

"As hard as it is to admit, a change may be the best thing for everyone," Iverson said. "I hate admitting that because I love the guys on the team and the city of Philadelphia. I truly wanted to retire a 76er."

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2006, 11:54:10 AM
MDS,

It's TEAM BASKETBALL now. Don't question it!

FYI - I think I'd like to see Boston because they can get an expiring contract (Theo) and Gerald Green and Al Jefferson.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 10, 2006, 11:54:10 AM
MDS,

It's TEAM BASKETBALL now. Don't question it!

FYI - I think I'd like to see Boston because they can get an expiring contract (Theo) and Gerald Green and Al Jefferson.

QuoteOf all that Allen Iverson has said or done during his years with the Sixers, nothing captures his career better than a single phrase from his unforgettable rant in 2002, from the most surreal news conference in Philadelphia sports history:

"How the hell can I make my team better by practice?"

If you remember nothing else about the Iverson era and the empty legacy he will leave behind once the freefalling Sixers finally trade him, remember those words. Remember that, though he "played every game like it was his last," Iverson was never willing to sacrifice his own individual satisfaction for the sake of the Sixers' success, never willing to change his practice habits or his ball-hog mentality. Remember that the franchise advanced past the second round of the playoffs just once in his decade-plus here, that the thrill and amazement over what basketball's most transcendent talent could do on the court was always offset by his petulance and the Sixers', particularly Billy King's, kowtowing to him off it.

"He literally had that franchise on their knees for 10 years," said Pat Williams, the former Sixers general manager, now a senior vice-president with the Orlando Magic. "He had them on their knees, groveling, because of who he is."

Remember that Iverson painted himself as the ultimate competitor but always regarded himself as an entertainer first, failing to understand that unselfish basketball, winning basketball, is the most alluring attraction of all.

Remember his daily battles with Larry Brown, the tumultuous half-season with Randy Ayers, his refusal to publicly defend Jim O'Brien, and the way he went from wanting to kiss Maurice Cheeks to defying him.

Above all, remember that Allen Iverson didn't think working with his teammates made a damn bit of difference, then ask yourself again how the Sixers got here. You might come up with The Answer.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2006, 08:58:10 AM
Morganti said this morning;

AI was out in AC the night before the leaving practice incident. He came to practice farged up (Al used groggy but insinuated he was hungover) and when Mo told him to get on the court he told Mo "farg you".

Mo then went right back at him and they had a heated argument. Mo told him to go farg himself and to leave.

Snider went apeshtein after hearing about this and thats why he was so mad the other night.

Screamin' A said that BK used to care about sending him to a contender but now he couldn't care less where he goes he wants him gone.

Bob Salmi said he thinks he's going to Charlotte.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 11, 2006, 09:20:16 AM
The charlotte deal would be Felton and a 1...I'd do that in a heartbeat

Quote from: hunt on December 11, 2006, 09:05:27 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 11, 2006, 08:58:10 AM
Morganti said this morning;

AI was out in AC the night before the leaving practice incident. He came to practice farged up (Al used groggy but insinuated he was hungover) and when Mo told him to get on the court he told Mo "farg you".

Mo then went right back at him and they had a heated argument. Mo told him to go farg himself and to leave.

Snider went apeshtein after hearing about this and thats why he was so mad the other night.

Screamin' A said that BK used to care about sending him to a contender but now he couldn't care less where he goes he wants him gone.

Bob Salmi said he thinks he's going to Charlotte.

go ahead & make fun of team baketball now.  :-D

Quote from: MDS on December 11, 2006, 11:41:17 AM
Expiring contracts, please. That's all that matters.

The Bulls deal would be nuts, though. That cannot be right.

QuoteAfter 11 years in Philadelphia, Allen Iverson is heading to New York several sources are confirming. The deal, which has yet to be officially announced or confirmed by either team, is said to include Kyle Korver and Kevin Ollie along side Iverson in exchange for Steve Francis and Jamal Crawford. Neither team could be reached for further comment. The deal makes sense financially versus the cap for both clubs.

Quote from: SunMo on December 11, 2006, 04:05:53 PM
it's probably the worst deal ever.

Quote from: phattymatty on December 11, 2006, 04:47:49 PM
Isiah Thomas is the only GM in sports that makes Billy King look smart.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 11, 2006, 09:14:50 PM
You guys DO NOT want Steve Francis on the Sixers.

Repeat after me: DO NOT.

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 11, 2006, 06:03:46 PM
Um, it's true.  Also, Tom Glavine is the only pitcher in the majors that makes Jamie Moyer look young.

Ha.

QuoteSources: Iverson nixes trade to Bobcats
Indiana, Boston, Minnesota and Sacramento are among the teams still in the mix, according to sources.

BY DAVID ALDRIDGE
The Philadelphia Inquirer
December 11, 2006, 10:42 PM EST

PHILADELPHIA -- For a while Monday, the Philadelphia 76ers were close to solving their Allen Iverson problem.

The Sixers, according to a source, were close to sending Iverson to the Charlotte Bobcats for a package of players Monday afternoon. But Iverson indicated his displeasure with being sent to the Bobcats -- the league's newest team, having begun play in 2004 -- and the deal died, the source said.

Iverson, a former Bethel High standout, asked to be traded last week, and a source indicated that he didn't care where he was sent. But that apparently did not extend to the Bobcats, who are struggling to draw fans, and who would have difficulty bringing someone to Charlotte who didn't want to be there, and who would likely make that unhappiness known to the public.

With only a little more than $38 million in player salaries -- forward Gerald Wallace is the team's highest-paid player, at just $5.5 million this season -- Charlotte is about $15 million below the league's salary cap of $53.1 million and could make a major player acquisition easier than any team in the league.

The Bobcats also have players with short contracts, which fits the Sixers' desires. Philadelphia wants to trade Iverson for players whose deals expire either this season or after the 2007-08 season, when Chris Webber's contract ends and the Sixers expect to finally get under the salary cap.

Charlotte has a few players who fill that bill: veteran guard Brevin Knight, who makes $4.4 million this season on a contract that expires in 2008; forward Melvin Ely, whose $3.3-million contract ends after this season; forward Othella Harrington (2008, $2.2 million this season); and underrated center Primoz Brezec (2008, $2.75 million this season).

Dealing any or all of those players would not affect the Bobcats' core group: guard Raymond Felton, guard Adam Morrison, forward Sean May or center Emeka Okafor. Wallace, 24, who has become a much-improved player in Charlotte, would be attractive to the Sixers, but he's also part of that core.

At least one team believed the Bobcats were in the driver's seat earlier Monday. "It's Michael (Jordan)'s deal to turn down," said an executive of one team that is involved in the trade discussions, referring to Charlotte's new minority owner. It is uncertain whether the proposed trade can be resurrected.

Meanwhile, Sixers president Billy King continues to sift through other offers. He's keeping those offers extremely close to the vest. One longtime friend of King's, with an NBA team, said King "wasn't telling me a ... thing" about which way he was thinking.

Sources indicate that Indiana, Boston and Minnesota continue to express interest in Iverson, with Denver and Sacramento also in the mix. But in some cases, King would likely have to take a player he wouldn't necessarily want in order to get rid of Iverson. The Pacers, for example, want to rid themselves of swingman Stephen Jackson, who has three years left on his deal. The Timberwolves are shopping guard Ricky Davis.

The Kings seem to be stronger players in the bidding for Iverson than one would think at first glance. A source said Sacramento was discussing a package including guard Mike Bibby and forward Kenny Thomas for Iverson.

Each has connections to Webber: Bibby and Webber led the Kings to the Western Conference finals in 2002; Thomas was part of the package the Sixers traded to Sacramento for Webber in 2005.

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 12, 2006, 09:38:25 AM
Could the Sixers still get IGY's boy Rondo?

QuoteThe word is that the Celtics have made a bid to the Philadelphia 76ers for Allen Iverson, offering Theo Ratliff, Al Jefferson, Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair.

The 76ers, in turn, will take all of the bids from the many teams interested in Iverson and make their decision today.

The 76ers are said to be interested in both salary-cap relief and young players, with Ratliff -- whose contract expires after the 2008 season -- as the cap relief. They coveted both Jefferson and West last summer when the Celtics expressed an interest in Iverson, and also have expressed interest in Ryan Gomes. One scenario is they do not have an interest in Gerald Green, as they already have young players who play Green's position.

Another scenario?

The Celtics have told the Sixers that Green is not available, and might also get away with not having West in the trade, throwing in a draft choice instead.

These things can change, however, and the word is there is some reluctance on the Celtics' part to move Jefferson, who a year ago was featured on the cover of their media guide and has been billed as one of the faces of the franchise. It's no secret that Danny Ainge spent a part of last summer trying to lure Iverson to Boston, a wish that hasn't gone away.

Stay tuned.

-- BILL REYNOLDS

QuoteThe word is that the Celtics have made a bid to the Philadelphia 76ers for Allen Iverson, offering Theo Ratliff, Al Jefferson, Delonte West and Sebastian Telfair.

Quote from: Dillen37 on December 12, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
There's a deal with Iverson to the Bulls for 2 expiring contracts and Ben Gordon. Would you guys do it? I would reject it in a heartbeat, but I don't know If I'm in the minority.

Quote from: Billy Beane on December 12, 2006, 04:31:26 PM
I really cant believe that King would rather have West than what will easily be a top 10 pick even with Iverson on the team.l 

Quote from: Dillen37 on December 12, 2006, 04:21:32 PM
There's a deal with Iverson to the Bulls for 2 expiring contracts and Ben Gordon. Would you guys do it? I would reject it in a heartbeat, but I don't know If I'm in the minority.

Quote from: Sgt PSN on December 12, 2006, 04:38:33 PM
I'd have to see his VORP before passing final judgment though. 

QuoteNo no-trade contract? No problem for The Answer
Stein
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Archive

What they're saying on the Allen Iverson grapevine: The Answer has let it be known that he doesn't want to play in Charlotte.

What they're also saying in front-office circles: Iverson's camp got word to Sacramento and Golden State that he's not in a rush to relocate to Northern California, either.

What I find myself saying whenever I hear such sentiments: Amazing, isn't it, how quickly some players scare teams off when pretty much none of them possess a no-trade clause?

The Bobcats, let's face it, would be skittish about trading for A.I. even if he welcomed the move, given owner Bob Johnson's obvious comfort level with a roster that doesn't pay a single player more than $5.5 million. Although he badly wants to fill up his building and ranks as one of the league's most outspoken owners regarding the struggles of small-market teams, Johnson's hesitancy to sanction an Iverson deal doesn't surprise anyone. You can safely surmise that the little man's knack for selling tickets doesn't stand out to the Bobs as much the $39.8 million left on his contract after this season and Iverson's hard-to-handle history.

But here's the thing.

Iverson doesn't possess the ultimate hammer. NBA front-office sources confirmed Tuesday that his contract does not contain a no-trade clause.

In fact, as far as I know, the Lakers' Kobe Bryant is the only NBA player who has one.

Why?

This simply isn't baseball, where no-trade clauses or partial no-trade clauses are routinely built into player contracts ... and where the famed 10-and-5 rule automatically enables veterans with 10 years of service time and five with a player's current team to veto trades.

In the NBA, only players with at least eight years of service time and four with the same team are eligible for a no-trade clause.

The problem?

Very few players get to that point with one team and then have the opportunity to negotiate a no-trade clause through free-agency.

Star players like Iverson, for starters, generally sign their first big-money deals well before their eighth season.

Star players like Iverson, furthermore, often sign extensions to those big deals ... and NBA extensions do not allow players to add major changes in contract terms, such as a no-trade clause. A player must enter free agency to change major terms in a contract.

That's how Bryant put himself in the rare position to negotiate a no-trade clause. He was a full-fledged unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2004 and, having just completed his eighth season and after flirting seriously with the Clippers, signed a new seven-year, $136 million contract with the Lakers which includes a no-trade provision.

Iverson?

Turns out he's apparently never been eligible for a no-trade clause, even though this is his 11th season with the same team. His four-year, $72.4 million extension with the Sixers, which began last season, operates under the same main terms -- without a no-trade clause, in other words -- as his previous contract, which he signed before he had eight years in the league.

The league, on top of that, now has the right to suspend players who refuse to report to their new teams after trades, following the Alonzo Mourning debacle in Toronto after the Nets swiped Vince Carter from the Raps in December 2004.

Yet the league's authority in such matters didn't stop the Bobs from quickly abandoning any thoughts of adding Iverson to their quartet of promising kiddies: Emeka Okafor, Adam Morrison, Raymond Felton and Sean May.

The Kings have likewise announced that they're no longer bidding for Iverson, even though they have a history of ignoring star players' initial resistance to Sacto (Chris Webber and Artest) and trading for them anyway.

Iverson, sources say, would welcome a move to either Minnesota or Boston, but the issues confronting the Wolves and Celtics haven't changed. The Wolves don't have a first-round pick to package with the young lead guard Philly covets (Villanova alumnus Randy Foye) and the Celts (so far) can't get Philly to take the daunting step of trading Iverson within its own division unless it includes Al Jefferson and/or Gerald Green in the deal. My ESPN The Magazine colleague Ric Bucher reported Tuesday night on SportsCenter that Iverson is open to an Indiana move as well, with the Pacers and Denver Nuggets -- presumably another team Iverson would sanction given the presence of Carmelo Anthony -- both increasing their interest Tuesday and both better-positioned than the Wolves or Celts to assemble a trade Philly likes.

All four, though, have one thing in common. All see their odds increase, no matter what above variables tell us, if Iverson can continue to dissuade the teams he doesn't like from making bids.

Without even having official trade-blocking power.

QuoteThe New York Daily News is reporting that a three-team deal involving the Bulls and Warriors may be a possibility for a trade of Allen Iverson.
The Warriors would possibly send power forward Troy Murphy or point guard Baron Davis to Chicago as part of a package of players, while the Sixers would get Ben Gordon. The Bulls reportedly don't want Iverson as they fear he and Scott Skiles would clash, which makes sense. Other Bulls mentioned going to Philly in a potential deal have been P.J. Brown and ex-Knick Michael Sweetney, each in the final year of his contract. Interestingly, Troy Murphy is not playing for the Warriors on Tuesday night, giving this rumor some extra intrigue.

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
Rumor #12938923223:  AI and Hunter to Golden State for Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and a 3rd player

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2006, 11:10:30 AM
Rumor #12938923223:  AI and Hunter to Golden State for Baron Davis, Andris Biedrins and a 3rd player

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 13, 2006, 01:07:25 PM
Baron Davis is kind of like AI, except less talented and made of glass.

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2006, 01:41:56 PM
Biedrins and Ellis are 20 and 21 and both are free agents after next season.  I'm not sure why Golden State would give them up for AI....

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 13, 2006, 01:41:56 PM
Biedrins and Ellis are 20 and 21 and both are free agents after next season.  I'm not sure why Golden State would give them up for AI....

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 13, 2006, 03:41:42 PM
i just want him traded at this point so we can all stop talking about rumored trades 99% of which are completely untrue

QuoteA perfectly acceptable Answer
By Jim O'Brien
ESPN.com

Answering a few questions about Allen Iverson, whom I coached for one year in 2004-05 with the Philadelphia 76ers . . .

What was his reaction when, in a team huddle, you called him the worst defensive point guard in the history of the game?

After that, he told me it was the first time he'd ever been called the worst in anything.

But he's not hypersensitive.

Not at all. The best part about Allen is that he had no problem being criticized in front of his teammates. You don't find that to be the case with superstars.

In fact, he encouraged you not to sit on any criticisms.

Yes. Another example was at halftime I got on him pretty hard about defense. Before we got back on court he said, "Listen, tell me to right then, don't wait till halftime."

I'm not saying we didn't have issues over 82 games, but generally the idea is to go behind closed doors and not to the media. He told me he wanted to be straightforward and when he thought I wasn't, he called me on it.

You coached Iverson when he was coming off a tough time with then-coach Chris Ford. You sat down with Iverson after a season in which his team had struggled. And you had traveled to Turkey to get to know him before the 2004 Olympics.

He said he didn't want me to manage him through the media -- that wasn't a problem because that's not how I coach. I told him that I wanted him to be a leader, that he would have to be a person who was going to be on time and be ready to lace 'em up.

And I told him I would never have him leave his legs on the practice floor. He had to stretch with the team and start practice with us, but leave it to me to take him out. I never had a problem with him about practicing.

His famous "practice" comments came in 2002. Can we talk about practice?

It's true he doesn't need practice to be a great player. But back then what he sometimes did not recognize is that for the team to play its best, he needs to practice -- the group needs reps to gel defensively and offensively.

Makes sense. So, what's he like?

He's very, very likable to be around, fun to be around. His teammates really like him, although they're not always comfortable playing with him.

He's going to have new ones soon. Think he could be a "final piece" guy?

I think he's going to bring a tremendous amount to a team that is positioned to go deep in the playoffs.

And if they're not?

If he's on a team no better than the Sixers, then he's going to have to be the guy who dominates the ball and it will be a difficult situation.

The best fit for him?

A metro area like Boston fairly near the casinos. The best situation would be in the bigger markets. Minnesota is a smaller market, but it would be interesting to see him there.

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 14, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
So all they would get for Iverson is expiring contracts?   ???

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2006, 10:27:20 AM


CSN is reporting that Billy King is consulting with Larry Brown about the trade proposals he has received for AI.

Quote from: hunt on December 14, 2006, 01:28:51 PM
i heard he's going to denver...the deal will happen tomorrow & charlotte might be the 3rd team involved & there might even be a 4th team.
1 or 2 first round picks coming the sixers' way along with some combination of joe smith, najera, andre miller, brevin knight, magloire, croshere, or some other expiring contract.
also, sammy or hunter could be part of the deal.

Quote from: hunt on December 14, 2006, 01:28:51 PM
i heard he's going to denver...the deal will happen tomorrow & charlotte might be the 3rd team involved & there might even be a 4th team.
1 or 2 first round picks coming the sixers' way along with some combination of joe smith, najera, andre miller, brevin knight, magloire, croshere, or some other expiring contract.
also, sammy or hunter could be part of the deal.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 14, 2006, 10:51:09 PM

Quote from: hunt on December 14, 2006, 01:28:51 PM
i heard he's going to denver...the deal will happen tomorrow & charlotte might be the 3rd team involved & there might even be a 4th team.
1 or 2 first round picks coming the sixers' way along with some combination of joe smith, najera, andre miller, brevin knight, magloire, croshere, or some other expiring contract.
also, sammy or hunter could be part of the deal.

I hope Sammy is included. Get him gone.

2 #1's and some expiring contracts? Sold.

Whats up with Najera's deal? Expiring? He can rebound well. Maybe he has a spot here next year if not too expensive.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2006, 08:56:16 AM
If they can get Jefferson, a young PG, an expiring contract, and a #1... and they DIDN'T do it...

Wow

if boston offered jefferson at all id be surprised

theres no way they will or have offered jefferson one of the guards and a #1

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2006, 01:16:52 PM
The Sixers have all the bargaining power

ha

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 15, 2006, 08:55:13 PM
The longer it takes the better I feel about it.  The Sixers are taking a PR beating for leaving Iverson in cold storage (Pat Croce anyone? Screamin' A also) yet they seem to be taking their time and either sorting out or waiting for the best possible deal for him.

You gotta like that.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 15, 2006, 09:01:36 PM
the shot attempts thing is irrelevant now and for the next however many days he would be playing on the sixers...the shots will be there for the next five years once he leaves

as for the injury thing  if hes so injury prone that the sixers cant even play him a few games while they try to deal him then why would any team trade for a guy thats gonna get hurt right after hes aquired

QuoteFormer NBA executive John Nash reported last night on Comcast SportsNet that the Sixers were considering trading Iverson and either Korver or Rodney Carney to the Los Angeles Clippers for Corey Maggette, Cuttino Mobley and either Sam Cassell or Shaun Livingston.

Quote from: Billy Beane on December 16, 2006, 01:31:55 PM
Carney is one of the worst rebounders in the NBA and his shot is nothing special.

QuoteSo if you're 6-6 and everyone talks about how athletic you are and how you can jump out of the gym, shouldn't you grab a rebound every once in a while?

Remember above when I said that only one player over 6-3 had a rebound rate worse than Adam Morrison's? This is the guy. Yes, the super-athletic Carney is the worst rebounder of any forward, and of any player over 6-3. At least he's beating Earl Boykins.

Quote"Me going to Philly would be a waste of time for Philly, because my mind wouldn't be in it and my heart wouldn't be in it."

Quote from: hunt on December 16, 2006, 08:54:52 PM
carney is definitely expendable...but dorko's rebounding stat was just plain dumb.


btw, after watching oden today, i'm in favor of sitting a1 all season long to get that 1st pick...oden is absolutely sick.

Quote from: SD_Eagle on December 16, 2006, 09:07:29 PM

Quote from: hunt on December 16, 2006, 08:54:52 PM
carney is definitely expendable...but dorko's rebounding stat was just plain dumb.


btw, after watching oden today, i'm in favor of sitting a1 all season long to get that 1st pick...oden is absolutely sick.

Our luck we'll get the pick and he'll opt to stay in

Quote from: hunt on December 16, 2006, 09:29:40 PM
i know we've all been kinda negative in this thread lately but there is some light at the end of the tunnel to cheer everyone up.


after next season, greg bucker & aaron mckie's contracts come off the sixers' cap...isn't that awesome! :yay

Quote from: hunt on December 16, 2006, 08:54:52 PM
carney is definitely expendable...but dorko's rebounding stat was just plain dumb.

Quote from: Geowhizzer on December 17, 2006, 08:23:46 AM
Come on, you all know already that the Sixers won't win the lottery anyway.

Quote from: MDS on December 17, 2006, 12:16:35 AM
I'm not mad, just rather confused as to why someone so untalented and unskilled could play over 2/3rds of an NBA game.

Quote from: SunMo on December 19, 2006, 03:35:16 PM
what's Miller's contract situation?

Quote from: SunMo on December 19, 2006, 03:55:15 PM
it's time for Samuel Dalembert to explode.  literally.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 19, 2006, 03:51:47 PM
miller>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ollie

that alone makes them significantly better....ollie is hideous


miller is locked up until 09


i think its a nice trade in how much they got back....its just a terrible trade in that the opportunity to get oden is now gone

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 19, 2006, 11:00:42 PM
Denver and Dallas will be picking in the 20s.  If they're lucky, the Sixers can use those to trade up for another pick in the 13-18 range...

Quote from: King Cole on December 20, 2006, 03:42:17 AM

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 19, 2006, 11:00:42 PM
Denver and Dallas will be picking in the 20s.  If they're lucky, the Sixers can use those to trade up for another pick in the 13-18 range...

The better option might be packaging one of those picks with Andre Miller to a team in desperate need of a PG and it might get us higher.

Quote from: phattymatty on December 19, 2006, 08:43:40 PM
that kind of brings a tear to my eye

Quote from: hunt on December 20, 2006, 08:18:58 AM

Quote from: phattymatty on December 19, 2006, 08:43:40 PM
that kind of brings a tear to my eye

me too...tears of joy.

i can't wait until the first time he curses out george karl for making him practice.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 20, 2006, 08:43:05 AM
Dreaming of You (http://www.nbadraft.net/admincp/profiles/gregoden.html) :yay

QuoteSoft spoken. Very humble personality, which is a positive and a negative in that some would like to see him develop more of a swagger of confidence, but Duncan and Robinson were/are both silent (humble) assassins

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 20, 2006, 09:06:34 AM
It'd be great to get rid of Dalembert now.

Quote from: MURP on December 20, 2006, 09:55:27 AM
JAN 2ND

Quote from: phattymatty on December 20, 2006, 10:55:06 AMi may buy some nuggets gear now.  at least a hat.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2006, 10:58:27 AM
if dalembert is as awful as you guys say...and im not saying he isnt...theres no one that would deal for him...you cant murder him say how bad his contract is and then say trade em



as for iverson ive never seen a player so culturally divide fans...old whitey despises him and sees a thug and young people (of all races) adore him

btw 'thug' is the new 'ni***er'....dont think we dont know that (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 20, 2006, 10:59:34 AM

Quote from: phattymatty on December 20, 2006, 10:55:06 AMi may buy some nuggets gear now.  at least a hat.

light blue and yellow is hardcore

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2006, 10:58:27 AMbtw 'thug' is the new 'ni***er'....dont think we dont know that

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 20, 2006, 07:51:38 AM

Quote from: King Cole on December 20, 2006, 03:42:17 AM

Quote from: BigEd76 on December 19, 2006, 11:00:42 PM
Denver and Dallas will be picking in the 20s.  If they're lucky, the Sixers can use those to trade up for another pick in the 13-18 range...

The better option might be packaging one of those picks with Andre Miller to a team in desperate need of a PG and it might get us higher.

Why, so the Sixers can once again be desperate for a point guard?  Moron.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2006, 10:58:27 AM
as for iverson ive never seen a player so culturally divide fans...old whitey despises him and sees a thug and young people (of all races) adore him

btw 'thug' is the new 'ni***er'....dont think we dont know that (http://www.philaflava.com/forum/images/smiles/dcracistemo0mp.gif)

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 20, 2006, 04:19:37 PM
If you're reading something into comments made here, maybe the problem lies with you.  Ever consider that?

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 20, 2006, 04:45:41 PM

so then explain how iverson is a thug exactly?

and its not a racial slur by itself...its how its used and the thought behind it....i mean why do you continuously choose to call iverson a thug?...how is he any different than jason michaels who fought a cop...or cole hamels who jumped a guy with four of his friends

the bottom line is you call him a thug cause hes black with corn rows and sings rap music and has a farg you attitude...in other words hes a 'N"

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 20, 2006, 09:51:08 PM
Dear God no (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2704309)

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on December 21, 2006, 09:17:21 AM

DIRTY SANCHEZ

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2006, 09:21:58 AM
Greg Oden.

QuoteExcerpts of Allen Iverson's TNT Interview

John Thompson conducted a lengthy interview with Allen Iverson this afternoon. All I really want to know from it is why he requested a trade. He was a loyal good soldier in Philadelphia for freaking ever. What happened? (Why don't we know that already?) I feel like there must be a story there.

I don't know if they'll cover that in detail or not. I have to assume Thompson will have at least asked about it.

Anyway, it'll air tomorrow after the Phoenix vs. Dallas game on TNT. TNT sent me transcription of a couple of excerpts.

Iverson on his infamous "practice" comments:

    "It's just blown all out of proportion. That was a day I wish honestly never happened. I didn't mean it like 'I don't care about practice' or anything like that, I'm just saying we are having a press conference and all you all want to talk about is practice and we should be talking about your (Iverson's) future is still being here (in Philly). I couldn't have accomplished the things in my career if I didn't practice, and the worst part about that whole thing is when a kid comes up to me and says "Allen I don't like practice, either". I've got to straighten that kid right then. I didn't mean what these people are putting out there, that every time you see that one clip you see "I'm talking about practice". I didn't mean it like that. I just want kids all over the world to know you have to practice to be any good in this game, it's too hard. When you are not practicing someone else is getting better...I don't get enough credit for the practices I HAVE been to in the past ten years (laugh)."

Thompson asks Iverson if he's a thug:

    "A thug? Man, I'm 31 years old and a husband with four kids, I hope I'm no thug. I hear all those negative things and don't hear anything positive. I think that's all those people feel... that way that's all they hear about when you hear Allen Iverson did something negative or something. And when it's about something negative, everybody wants to rush to get it. I'm not going to be the same as I was when I've made so many bad mistakes. If I'm not getting older and more mature at 31, then something's wrong."

UPDATE: Iverson talked to Stephen A. Smith, and says he didn't explicitly demand a trade--rather he said something along the lines of the situation needs to get better, or I should go. Which is a little different, I guess. Watch the little video clip, and there's something there Philadelphia fans will really appreciate. He talks about how Philadelphia is a demanding and tough place. "Now I don't know. If I'd a went someplace else, to some cupcake city, and I did anything I wanted to do, and it was nothing, I don't think I would be the man that I am now. So I'm glad..." Philly, you may not have your star anymore, but you're no cupcakes, and that's something.

QuotePhilly, you may not have your star anymore, but you're no cupcakes, and that's something.

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2006, 09:28:58 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2006, 09:21:58 AM
Greg Oden.

Stop it.  You know that even if the Sixers had all but one ball, that one ball would be pulled...

OR, they will have the first pick, and Oden will decide to stay in school.


Just stop.

Quote from: King Cole on December 21, 2006, 03:56:53 PM

Quote from: FFatPatt on December 21, 2006, 09:28:58 AM

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 21, 2006, 09:21:58 AM
Greg Oden.

Stop it.  You know that even if the Sixers had all but one ball, that one ball would be pulled...

OR, they will have the first pick, and Oden will decide to stay in school.


Just stop.

If the Sixers get the worst record they are going to get one of Oden, Durant or Wright. At this point all these players look like future superstars. I don't see how this team can go wrong with tanking.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 22, 2006, 06:30:41 AM
romey has three teams now?

Quote from: King Cole on December 22, 2006, 11:26:39 PM
Nuggets lose in first game without AI. AI played well. 22 and 10 assists.

Quote from: Dillen37 on December 23, 2006, 12:41:46 PM
It was in the NY Post yesterday. You might be able to find it online.

QuoteThere's no doubt in my malfunctioning mind Miller has been assured, if he's uncomplaining and doesn't weaken his value, King will brainstorm with consigliore Larry Brown to reroute him to a playoff contender. Better to move the 30-year-old a half season early than a half season late. The longer Miller, 30, remains with a loser, the less productive and motivated (as his one-year Clippers' tour attests, though it's not necessarily reflected in his stats) is bound to become.

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on December 23, 2006, 03:27:06 AM
AI in that uni looks weird. Just ain't right. :(

Quote from: hunt on December 23, 2006, 03:39:58 PM
King will brainstorm with consigliore Larry Brown to reroute him to a playoff contender. Better to move the 30-year-old a half season early than a half season late. The longer Miller, 30, remains with a loser, the less productive and motivated (as his one-year Clippers' tour attests, though it's not necessarily reflected in his stats) is bound to become.

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 28, 2006, 03:40:09 PM

a. they arent the worst team
b. they scored in the 70's
c. they played a team that stinks
d. you didnt watch one second of it and have no idea how bad they looked

Quote from: King Cole on December 29, 2006, 01:26:42 AM
AI tonight - 44 points, 10 assists, 9 turnovers.

QuoteChris Webber could be the next to depart Philadelphia. Team insiders say Webber has been a bigger distraction than Iverson with his clubhouse lawyering of young players, and a buyout might not be out of the question.

Quote from: hunt on January 01, 2007, 10:55:43 AM
sixers & nuggets both lost again.  :yay

Quote"Just to hear me out. I think any coach would, and any organization would. ... When you're losing basketball games, 12 of 14, 18 of 20 basketball games, you should listen to somebody because something obviously isn't working."

"I thought Andre's playing the point guard position wasn't the right move for us and that team that we had. They wanted to do that and I didn't feel like that was helping us win. We were losing basketball games.  Andre Miller is a better fit at point guard for that team. He was put directly into that position. They felt I couldn't get that job done there. But I'm pretty sure I can get it done here."

"I don't feel like I have a need to [greet Cheeks]. It is something that I don't want to do. For what? I don't have no beef with him. I don't feel it is necessary for me to go out of my way to speak to anybody. The trade is done. But things still linger.

"I still feel bitter about the way things happened. It didn't have to happen like that and I think I deserve a lot more respect than what I got. Those people had the chance to give me the respect I deserved and they weren't willing to do that. So why I should I try to give any respect back?"

"I haven't anything to say to Mo, or to my teammates. I miss them. I never had any problem with any of those guys. None of them on the whole roster. ... I never expected Billy [King] to let it happen the way it happened. I never expected Mo to let it happen.

"I would have expected for him to fight for me. He has a job to do and he works for somebody else. I lost a lot of respect for guys that I had respect for around there. It is a feeling that I have and it can't just go away overnight."

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 03, 2007, 11:34:57 PM
Sixers lose

Grizzlies win

Only 1.5 back now

Quote from: PhillyPhreak54 on January 05, 2007, 10:43:18 PM
Pretty good game tonight. Sixers get it to OT and Garnett hits a buzzer beater with about a second left and the Wolves win.

Entertaining game and the best outcome - Sixers lose.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2007, 07:40:50 AM
sixers were way too competitive on this road trip for my taste

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 06, 2007, 07:40:50 AM
sixers were way too competitive on this road trip for my taste

Quote from: SunMo on January 08, 2007, 01:48:19 PM
if the Sixers buy-out Webber, does his contract still count against the cap?

QuoteWhat is a contract buy-out?

Sometimes players and teams decide to divorce each other.  They do this by mutually agreeing that:
The team will waive the player;
 
If the player clears waivers, the compensation protection for lack of skill (see question  number 90) will be reduced or eliminated;


Optionally the payment schedule for the remaining salary may be shortened or lengthened.

For example, the Celtics did this with Dino Radja prior to the 1997-98 season.  They mutually agreed to reduce Radja's compensation protection to 50% of its value, and then the Celtics waived him.  When he cleared waivers he was paid the 50% he was owed, and he was then free to return to Europe.
But there's a twist, which needed an arbitrator's ruling during the 1999-00 season to resolve.  As detailed in question number 90, on January 10 all contracts become guaranteed for the rest of the season.  Compensation protection insures the player against loss of salary after being waived for lack of skill.  But if he is waived after January 10, then he doesn't lose his salary, so the compensation protection does not kick in.  Even though the team & player can mutually agree to reduce or eliminate the player's compensation protection, he is still owed his full salary if waived after January 10.

This was challenged by John Starks during the 1999-00 season.  Starks had been traded to the Bulls, and wanted to sever ties with the team after January 10.  The arbitrator ruled that in the last season of a player's contract, the team and player could choose to eliminate the contract guarantee that kicked in on January 10.  Starks and the Bulls were therefore free to agree to a divorce (with no money owed to Starks) as described above.

There is one other type of buyout described in the CBA.  When a contract contains an option year, a buyout amount for the option year can be written into the contract.  The buyout amount may be up to 50% of the salary for the option year, and is payable with the exercise of an ETO or the non-exercise of an option.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How do buy-outs affect a team's salary cap?

The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 59) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract.  If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary.  For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million.  The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million.  The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons.  Since the original contract had $33 million left to be paid, and $10 million is 30.3% of $33 million, 30.3% of the $15 million buyout, or $4.545 million, is included in the team salary in the first season following the buyout.  Likewise, 33.33% of $15 million, or $5 million, is included in the team salary in the second season, and 36.36% of $15 million, or $5.455 million, is included in the team salary in the third season.

The distribution of the buy-out money is a matter of individual negotiation.  Changing the number of years in which the money is paid does not change the number of years in which the team's team salary is charged.  In the above example in which the player's contract is bought out with three seasons remaining, the buyout amount is always charged to the team salary over three seasons.  It does not matter if the player is actually paid in a lump sum or over 20 years (a spread provision).

QuoteA source claims the Knicks and Steve Francis - exiled to Houston supposedly to rehab a tender knee - are discussing a contract buyout; what remains of this season's $15 million salary and the next two, $16.44M and $17.8M.

Actually, that in itself is not all that weird, or scarcely surprising considering Maurice Taylor and Jalen Rose already have taken that route, and Francis is a duplication of Stephon Marbury. At least two columns, maybe three, were committed to condemning the acquisition of Francis the week leading up to the exchange of the expiring pact of Penny Hardaway and Trevor (eight straight double-figure scoring efforts for the Magic) Ariza.

Everybody and his rollers recognized Francis didn't qualify as a lid to the Knicks' pot. Everybody, that is, except Thomas, and by the looks of things, Brown too, which I queasily admit is news to me.

A seamless segue to the perfectly peculiar part of this latest development: According to the same source, stage two of Francis' buyout conversation, coordinated by agent Jeff Fried, is dialogue with Brown about his client joining the 76ers after he clears waivers.

Say it ain't so! For months I've maintained "Play the game the right way" Brown never would've endorsed such procurement, much less initiated it. Has Billy King seconded this motion? If so, does that mean he's back under the influence of Brown and no longer in charge? If not, is the Sixers president aware of the talk? That's just what David Stern needs, another team management matter to arbitrate.

Brown is responsible for putting the "W" in weird.

Meanwhile, back in Philadelphia, a report surfaced last week the 76ers were discussing a contract buyout ($20.72M/$22.3M) of Chris Webber.

King refused to comment on the Webber matter to the local media and failed to respond to my e-mail or an earlier phone call about something else. More evidence Brown is back wielding the weight. I figured it'd be a waste of time to contact him regarding Francis.

It's no secret Webber and Thomas are boys. When he was a free agent four years ago, Thomas' Pacers were one of the few teams C-Web seriously considered playing for; in fact, he went through a whole interview process with Indiana before re-signing with Sacramento.

When (not if) Webber's buyout agreement is finalized, I'll be shocked if he doesn't wind up a Knick for at least the remainder of the season.

Between Thomas and Brown, they're weirdin' me out.

This just in: Francis is so eager to rejoin Brown he has volunteered to make up the difference for what Larry surrendered in his settlement with James Dolan.

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 08, 2007, 04:41:36 PM
The latest mock at NBADraft.net (which pretty much changes every day) has the Sixers getting Kevin Durant (Texas), Corey Brewer (Florida) and Mustafa Shakur (Arizona, local kid)...

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 10, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
$43M owed and he's giving back less than $5M.  How nice of him....

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 10, 2007, 10:31:53 AM
bye bye you bedwetting thieving choke artist

Quote from: SunMo on January 10, 2007, 10:33:03 AM
im not leaving

Quote from: hunt on January 11, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
more PT for joe smith & alan henderson...i'm excited.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 11, 2007, 11:41:55 AM
because he pretended to think i was talking to him??

no

not one of my boys better efforts

C

Quote from: BigEd76 on January 13, 2007, 05:56:42 PM
Need a loss at Charlotte tonight

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 14, 2007, 02:16:27 PM
yeah i asked this the other day why is your first round pick not getting minutes on a last place in the league team

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 15, 2007, 05:05:33 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2731833

Webber's signing with the Pistons.

:-D

Quote from: hunt on January 15, 2007, 12:42:02 PM
detroit homie....detroit!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2731833 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2731833)


good signing by detroit because c-webb totally fills the void left by ben wallace's departure since their games are so similar.
yeah!

Quote"He'll be special because he's so big, he's so long," one NBA scout said. "One thing I noticed about this kid is that he has great patience. A lot of young players, they want to score 20 points on one possession."

Oden, the scout said, waits for the double team. If it comes, he passes the ball out. If it doesn't come, he works his way to the rim, where he usually dunks with such force that you know nobody is going to want his hand up near the basket for fear it will get crushed. He doesn't just block shots. He often controls the ball, like Bill Russell or Bill Walton.

"He's like a great winner," the scout said. "He's content scoring six, eight points, but dominating the game blocking shots, rebounding. He affects the game without having to score."
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Some have called Oden the best college big man since Patrick Ewing, which, of course, ignores the fact that David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal and Duncan have all played college basketball since Ewing. The point, however, is still the point.

Greg Oden represents the basketball Holy Grail - the big man with all the skills, the interest in being taught, the body to handle the schedule and the will to compete, the one player who, like Shaq and Duncan, can take a team from nowhere to a championship.

Right now, Oden is still adjusting to the college game. Or maybe it is adjusting to him.

"It's just a physical game," Oden said. "I thought I wouldn't get double-teamed, but it's happening. I've just got to play through it. It's a lot more physical. You get a little more freedom, though. I've had a couple of teams that have played me one-on-one."

That never happened in high school.

"I had minimum two guys on me every time," he said.
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"I don't know if there's been anyone in my 27 years of his size and stature and athleticism that I can think of," [Illinois coach Bruce] Weber said. "He's the rare kid that comes around, like Pat Ewing, Shaq and Bill Russell. The reason I say Bill Russell is because [Oden] likes to win. Bill Russell loved to win. That's what he was about: championships. That's what this kid is about. He wants to win championships. He's not about an ego, he just wants to win."

That is the recurring theme. Oden wants to win. And he does win. And, if you are in the NBA, you have to think he can make you win.

"You hate that feeling of losing," Oden said. "So I go out there and play my hardest. It just happens that my teams win most of the time."

He thought his team's high school record [103-7] was "decent."

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 16, 2007, 05:44:22 PM
You never know.  Leinart won the Heisman and the National Championship in the same year and would have certainly been the #1 overall pick, but he decided to give one more year of college the thumbs up.

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 20, 2007, 10:11:22 AM
White guys are useless anywhere other than a computer

Quote from: King Cole on January 20, 2007, 03:58:58 AM
Korver is crucial for rebuilding.

Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on January 20, 2007, 10:28:54 AM

Quote from: FFatPatt on January 20, 2007, 10:11:22 AM
White guys are useless anywhere other than a computer

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on January 20, 2007, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: King Cole on January 20, 2007, 03:58:58 AM
Korver is crucial for rebuilding.

:-D :-D

Quote from: King Cole on January 20, 2007, 10:47:48 PM
Giving up Korver would be a huge mistake.

Quote from: King Cole on January 20, 2007, 11:05:39 PM
and how many of them are as good of a shooter as Korver? Run through the list and get back to me.

Quote from: ice grillin you on January 21, 2007, 08:11:11 AM
hes more of turnstyle than that chain smoking hairy arm pitted eurotrashed stylishly dressed young man tony kukoc...just awful...get him and his money out of here...

Quote from: MDS on January 21, 2007, 12:51:10 PM
Getting rid of Korver will mean 1 mean bad contract (Dalembert) on the team. Done.

Quote from: hunt on January 23, 2007, 11:07:44 AM
hunter & dalembert = twin towers

Quote from: SD_Eagle on February 05, 2007, 10:28:07 PM
This team is showing signs of improvement.
Any ideas?
On how we can get worse? How about a series of fines for good play? Maybe a thirty-thousand dollar bonus for the guy voted least valuable player

QuoteUpdated: Feb. 5, 2007, 9:09 PM ET
Barkley admits huge losses, big gains while gambling
Associated Press

PHOENIX -- Basketball Hall of Famer Charles Barkley admits he has a gambling problem, but said Monday that he's several thousand dollars richer after returning from Las Vegas.

In an interview with Phoenix television station KTVK, Barkley said he won "about $700,000" over the weekend.

"That was all profit [from] blackjack and I bet on the Super Bowl. I had the Colts," Barkley added. "I played a lot of blackjack."

Barkley did not say how much be bet on Sunday's game in which Indianapolis beat the Chicago Bears 29-17 in Miami.

In an ESPN interview in May 2006, Barkley estimated that he'd lost about $10 million gambling over the years.

He said Monday that he lost $2.5 million "in a six-hour period" one night last year.

"It's a stupid, bad habit. I have a problem," Barkley said of his gambling. "But the problem is when you can't afford it. I can afford to gamble. I didn't kill myself when I lost two and half million dollars ... I like to gamble and I'm not going to quit."

Barkley, who lives in the Phoenix area, was elected to the Hall of Fame last year.

He averaged 22.1 points and nearly 12 rebounds in a 16-year career that included stops in Philadelphia, Phoenix and Houston. He was the league's MVP in 1993 with the Suns, and he won gold at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics as part of the original U.S. Dream Team.

Quote from: FFatPatt on February 06, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
I wonder how many strokes Jordan gives him when they play golf for a $1,000,000 nassau.