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Title: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 07:52:15 AM
I'm halfway through the fourth book (of five published so far.)

Last night, I watched the first two episodes of season one with my wife, who has not read any of the books.

My favorite character is Sandor Clegane, the Hound.



By way of starting off some discussion:  what did Eddard promise Lyanna as she died?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 11:40:28 AM
I read the books prior to the series.  I think one of the areas the show suffers by necessity is developing past characters.  Rhaegar is one of the main characters in the books even though he's dead.  Lyanna/Dayne etc are given a lot of time through internal thoughts and you can't get much of that on a TV show - without spoiling anything coming up I'm curious to see how Jaime is handled this season.  He's easily my favorite character in the books and NCW does a very good job playing him, but a lot of Jaime's best stuff happens internally when he becomes a POV character so it'll be interesting to see if they can translate that to the screen.

Kind of disappointed Dominic West turned down the role of Mance.  Would've been funny seeing McNulty out there and I picture someone like him more as Mance than Ciarian Hinds.

To answer the question without spoilers [spoiler](since there aren't any for it really), I think Ned promised to take care of her child with Rhaegar (Jon). [/spoiler]

This thread should probably avoid stuff which happens after book2.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
Uhh...that answer kind of spoiled something for me haha. Though I already had my suspicions [spoiler]that he was someone elses kid...the black hair made me think he was Robert's kid that Ned took. My girl who has read all 5 books said something similar to what you just said. The dragon has 3 heads, etc [/spoiler]

I'm refusing to read ahead of the TV series so that I can be as surprised as possible while watching. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure one or two major things have been spoiled for me by some drunk jackasses that realized I was dressed as Robb Stark for Halloween this year. Yeah, adults dressing up on halloween blah blah blah gay. I had fun with it.

In the preview, you can see The Hound fighting someone with a flaming sword...I can't imagine he's too comfortable with that. I started to like him last season when it was apparent he pretty much hated the Lannisters. I'll definitely dig his story line now that he's on his own.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
[spoiler]It isn't confirmed in the books at all so no spoiler.  He could be Ned's kid.  It's just a theory that makes sense considering what is known about Ned's honor & Rhaegar and Lyanna and Lyanna being guarded by 3 kingsguard.  I'll black it out but I didn't spoil anything so you're good on that front.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2013, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 11:58:57 AM
[spoiler]It isn't confirmed in the books at all so no spoiler.  He could be Ned's kid.  It's just a theory that makes sense considering what is known about Ned's honor & Rhaegar and Lyanna and Lyanna being guarded by 3 kingsguard.  I'll black it out but I didn't spoil anything so you're good on that front.[/spoiler]

haha thank you. The theory definitely makes sense. I also like my theory because of the dark hair and the "seed is strong" stuff, but yours makes more sense to the overall story. I just don't know how they'd confirm it at this point since everyone who knew about it is dead at this point (After 2 books). I'm sure someone else will pop up.

Edit-I guess it's not true that everyone's dead, since one of Ned's companions survived the fight at the tower, but I forget who that was. I'm assuming he'll show up later in the series
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 12:12:55 PM
Howland Reed.
[spoiler]She was also found in a pool of blood and it never said how she died.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
As in Jojen and Meera's father? Hmm..interesting.

I'm excited to see their addition this season, though I don't know how they're going to do it. They missed a lottt of development on those two from Clash of Kings. And they live south of Winterfell, and Bran is supposed to be heading north to The Wall, yet someone they're going to meet up. Guess that gives us a hint of where Bran really ends up going.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Worrying about spoilers be damned.  There is way too much to keep track of.  If you don't want anything spoiled, don't read any of my postings.

I'm convinced that Jon Snow is a Stark.  Everyone who sees him remarks upon the likeness to the Stark family.  If he is not Ned's son--and I don't think he is--but Lyanna's instead, then the promise Ned made was what?  To besmirch his own honor by a.) lying that he b.) cheated on Catelyn and to c.) protect the child from Robert?  This makes perfect sense, but it raises some questions.  For one, Jon is burned, whereas Dany is impervious to fire.  Perhaps you have to be full blood to not be affected by fire?  Was Lyanna killed, or did she die in child birth?  Was she raped, or did she love Rhaegar and bed him willingly? 

I've been told there are no answers to these questions through the five published books, so this is just fanboy talk for now.


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2013, 02:02:41 PM
Another story I'm looking forward to finding out more about is Barristan Selmy. I imagine he's going to pop up again, and not be very happy with Joffery or the Lannisters.


Nerd question...Since Jaime is a part of the Kingsguard, that means he can't get married or have kids..does that also means he surrenders all other titles, like being heir to Casterly Rock? That would mean Tyrion would get it if Tywin died, no?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Keep reading, all those questions are answered, some of them quite directly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 03:16:23 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 01:38:14 PM
Worrying about spoilers be damned.  There is way too much to keep track of.  If you don't want anything spoiled, don't read any of my postings.

I'm convinced that Jon Snow is a Stark.  Everyone who sees him remarks upon the likeness to the Stark family.  If he is not Ned's son--and I don't think he is--but Lyanna's instead, then the promise Ned made was what?  To besmirch his own honor by a.) lying that he b.) cheated on Catelyn and to c.) protect the child from Robert?  This makes perfect sense, but it raises some questions.  For one, Jon is burned, whereas Dany is impervious to fire.  Perhaps you have to be full blood to not be affected by fire?  Was Lyanna killed, or did she die in child birth?  Was she raped, or did she love Rhaegar and bed him willingly? 

I've been told there are no answers to these questions through the five published books, so this is just fanboy talk for now.

Not all Targaryens are impervious to fire.  It would surprise me based on what we know of Rhaegar if he kidnapped or raped her.  Seemed like she went willingly and likely died in childbirth and Ned was protecting the child from Robert.  I don't see 3 kingsguard guarding Lyanna alone, but Rhaegar's kid I buy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
If Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar willingly, why the war? 

How was Rhaegar's marriage to the Dornish woman--I forgot her name--arranged again?  He had snubbed Tywin's offer of Cersei, and agreed to take whatshername why?  And wasn't she at the tournament at Harrenhal when Rhaegar gave Lyanna the blue rose? 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 03:35:18 PM
Also...Dany and Jon Snow are gonna hump.  I just know it.  He's Ice, she's Fire. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2013, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
If Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar willingly, why the war? 

How was Rhaegar's marriage to the Dornish woman--I forgot her name--arranged again?  He had snubbed Tywin's offer of Cersei, and agreed to take whatshername why?  And wasn't she at the tournament at Harrenhal when Rhaegar gave Lyanna the blue rose?

I would assume that Robert and the Starks didn't know she went willingly, until Ned found her and she admitted to doing so, if that was indeed the case.

Wasn't the marriage arranged to finally bring the Dorneish into the kingdom, since they technically never bent the knee and actually succeeded in fighting off the Targaryens? I know that's how the were eventually made part of the kingdom, I just don't remember if that was Rhaegar's or anothers
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 03:53:15 PM
Yeah, that rings a bell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 24, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
Quote from: Munson on February 24, 2013, 03:46:30 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on February 24, 2013, 03:34:25 PM
If Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar willingly, why the war? 

How was Rhaegar's marriage to the Dornish woman--I forgot her name--arranged again?  He had snubbed Tywin's offer of Cersei, and agreed to take whatshername why?  And wasn't she at the tournament at Harrenhal when Rhaegar gave Lyanna the blue rose?

I would assume that Robert and the Starks didn't know she went willingly, until Ned found her and she admitted to doing so, if that was indeed the case.

That is my bet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 01, 2013, 12:52:58 AM
http://www.hypable.com/2013/02/28/most-of-the-game-of-thrones-season-3-episode-titles-revealed/

titles for 8 of the 10 episodes have been revealed. I wouldn't read teh comments section on that page though, I'm sure people are posting spoilers
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on March 01, 2013, 06:19:31 AM
I've now seen the first three epsiodes of season one.  It's pretty well done.   It's going to take a little while for me to see Littlefinger and not think, "why is Carcetti in Westeros?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 01, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
I've had to go back and watch some of the first episodes to catch some of the things I didn't think were that important at the time.

Varys might be the most interesting character to me through the first two seasons. And from the previews for Season 3 it seems like he will be continuing to help Tyrion which I like.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 01, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
Varys and Littlefinger are the two most intelligent people in the series.  The show does Varys very well.   I think both Gillen's portrayal of LF and the bluntness the show gives him are off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 01, 2013, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 01, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
Varys and Littlefinger are the two most intelligent people in the series.  The show does Varys very well.   I think both Gillen's portrayal of LF and the bluntness the show gives him are off.

I've heard other people who read the books say that about Littlefinger as well....after I went back and raed the two books I do agree something seems off. But he still does a good job/Littlefinger is still a pretty interesting character as well IMO. Still hate him for what happened to Ned though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on March 01, 2013, 08:12:06 PM
Most of what I post is about the books.


Varys puzzles me.  I can't tell what motivates him.  Perhaps I just haven't reached a fuller treatment of his character yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 01, 2013, 08:32:20 PM
He seems to be the only character that is truly motivated by "what is good for the realm", with an obvious bias towards what is also good for his own neck. On one hand he was secretly meeting and conspiring to get Dany/Viserys back to Westeros, and at the same time he was feeding Robert info on their location and offering pardon to Jorah to allow Dany to be killed. And now he seems to back Tyrion over Joffery and the rest of the Lannisters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 06:43:14 AM
This site is good, but FULL of spoilers.


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: shorebird on March 12, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
My son just got me watching this show two weeks ago and netflix can't get their shtein here quick enough. I'm hooked. One of the best shows I've ever watched, right up there with BB, Shield, and The Wire, but not as good as Walking Dead or The Sopranos. A great and imaginative story line loaded with great and interesting characters. A lotta' tits too!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 08:11:54 AM
The show is doing a nice job, but the books are far more entertaining.  If you can stomach several thousand pages of it, that is.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 12, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 06:43:14 AM
This site is good, but FULL of spoilers.


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page

There was another site like this I found a while ago that actually let you set your "level of knowledge", and then took away the content that would spoil anything for you. They had two drop down menus for you to choose how many books and how many seasons of the show you had seen. Wish I could find it again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 13, 2013, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 12, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 06:43:14 AM
This site is good, but FULL of spoilers.


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page

There was another site like this I found a while ago that actually let you set your "level of knowledge", and then took away the content that would spoil anything for you. They had two drop down menus for you to choose how many books and how many seasons of the show you had seen. Wish I could find it again.

Towerofthehand.com
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 15, 2013, 11:12:31 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on March 13, 2013, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Munson on March 12, 2013, 11:54:10 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on March 12, 2013, 06:43:14 AM
This site is good, but FULL of spoilers.


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page

There was another site like this I found a while ago that actually let you set your "level of knowledge", and then took away the content that would spoil anything for you. They had two drop down menus for you to choose how many books and how many seasons of the show you had seen. Wish I could find it again.

Towerofthehand.com

Ah, thank you sir. Good site.

I'm rewatching the first season now, well some of it...completely forgot Beric Dondarrian was the guy Ned told to go find and arrest The Mountain
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 17, 2013, 09:32:56 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XSeW4B5Rg
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 18, 2013, 12:19:32 AM
Nice. A couple other different ones came out too..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSXhMzWoA4
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 25, 2013, 11:38:54 PM
Tyrion just did an interview on the Daily Show, pretty funny. Also got a short clip of him and Cersi.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on March 26, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
I haven't seen that show, but even I know that any clip of Tyrion is a short clip.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 31, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/game-of-thrones/season-3

Love how NYT has had three different reviewers each year have close to the lowest score.

Episode1/2 supposed to be a little slower before it kicks into gear the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 31, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
Woah, the main blurb there gave away a semi-spoiler on Sansa this season...didn't realize that was going to happen/that was going to be what Littlefinger's offer was.

The Walking Dead is gonna spill over 5 minutes tonight, but I think I read that the GOT episode is going to be available ondemand immediately
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 31, 2013, 11:16:48 PM
Thoughts on some of the story lines....

Robb-Looks like Bolton and Kraster are getting ticked off
Tyrion-Damn Tywin is stone cold. I was hoping he would learn of what Tyrion did and maybe ease up on him/trust him a little more. But nope. I was starting to like Tywin a little bit too
Dany-I was really hoping Ser Barristan would end up fighting for the North/Riverlands, or join the Brotherhood. But I am biased towards the Starks and despite it looking like Dany is the "true hero" of this story, I really don't want her to end up ruling. But oh well. I do like Selmy and I guess watching him help someone other than the Lannisters is a good thing
Kings Landing-I like seeing Cersi threatened by Margery. Looks like her and Joffery are gonna be at odds over this engagement. Still pissed at Loras and his stupid face for helping the Lannister's beat Stannis

The rest of the story lines were just about what I thought they would be. Glad to see Davos is still alive, assumed he was. Sad that we got no Arya, Bran, or The Hound this week
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 01, 2013, 10:17:40 AM
I thought it was pretty good setting things up.  I think the Harrenhal stuff was a little odd.  I guess we're just supposed to assume Gregor killed everyone on his way out.  He's one of the few characters that has suffered a lot transitioning from the book to TV. 

LF's comment to Sansa re:Arya - so did he actually recognize her in Harrenhal and not out her or was he just blowing smoke @Sansa?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 01, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 01, 2013, 10:17:40 AM
I thought it was pretty good setting things up.  I think the Harrenhal stuff was a little odd.  I guess we're just supposed to assume Gregor killed everyone on his way out.  He's one of the few characters that has suffered a lot transitioning from the book to TV. 

LF's comment to Sansa re:Arya - so did he actually recognize her in Harrenhal and not out her or was he just blowing smoke @Sansa?

Yeah I was wondering that as well. But even if he did recognize her, there's no way he can know where she is now.

The preview for next week has her running into Thoros of Myr, who I'm hoping is as cool a character as he seems to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 04, 2013, 10:06:44 AM
This is awesome.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Mp8MzAjAY
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 04, 2013, 12:33:37 PM
I hope they find a way to get those dreams into the show at some point. Because if it does turn out to be true, they're gonna have to incorporate that more into the story eventually. As of right now the only person I know for sure that's alive that knows what happened is Howland Reed. I guess we could always find out later that someone else was there or survived or whatever.

They definitely should have included Rhaegar in Dany's dream sequence. If they were worried about confusing the non-book audience, they coulda just had her ask Jorah what Rhaegar looked like or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
I can already tell that every week, I'm going to be pissed when the episode ends. One hour is never enough time.

Lady Olenna might be my new favorite character. Not liking the way Bolton lied about Theon, or the way Karstark is getting all pissy. Thoros of Myr now knows who Arya is thanks to The Hound, and I hope that's a good thing. I'm pretyt sure he was friendly with Robert and Ned.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 08, 2013, 05:57:44 AM
If they continue to stick with the storyline from the books, yes, you will be pissed with the progression.  I think Martin enjoys frustrating his readers.  The thing is a monstrous big, slow moving, disaster.  Basically, nothing gets better for anyone, ever. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Bolton
Karstark 

I've watched every episode of this show and I have no idea who the hell these characters are.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 08, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Bolton
Karstark 

I've watched every episode of this show and I have no idea who the hell these characters are.

Same. I love the show but trying to keep up with who everyone is while simultaneously keeping up with the names of the new characters can be a bit much. Can't imagine reading the books are any different.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:20:39 AM
Part of what I like is that it's more or less easy to follow what's going on even if you don't know every character or know what the hell their motivations are. If it's important eventually it will be made plain. But in the meantime, reading a post like Munson's makes my head hurt because I have no idea what the farg he's talking about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:20:39 AM
Part of what I like is that it's more or less easy to follow what's going on even if you don't know every character or know what the hell their motivations are. If it's important eventually it will be made plain. But in the meantime, reading a post like Munson's makes my head hurt because I have no idea what the farg he's talking about.

Basically.

Karstark is the older guy with Robb.  Jaime killed his son and he wanted him executed.  He told Robb last episode that he thinks marrying Talisa will lose him the war.

Bolton is like Robb's #2.  He is who had people out looking for Jaime.

They haven't gotten very in depth with either.

Last night was like the 2nd half of the premiere.  I liked both episodes but most reviewers said the first two were slower.  The pace is about to pickup rather quickly from here on out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 08, 2013, 10:00:51 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2013, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:20:39 AM
Part of what I like is that it's more or less easy to follow what's going on even if you don't know every character or know what the hell their motivations are. If it's important eventually it will be made plain. But in the meantime, reading a post like Munson's makes my head hurt because I have no idea what the farg he's talking about.

Basically.

Karstark is the older guy with Robb.  Jaime killed his son and he wanted him executed.  He told Robb last episode that he thinks marrying Talisa will lose him the war.

Bolton is like Robb's #2.  He is who had people out looking for Jaime.

They haven't gotten very in depth with either.

Last night was like the 2nd half of the premiere.  I liked both episodes but most reviewers said the first two were slower.  The pace is about to pickup rather quickly from here on out.

Thanks for the character explanation.

Unlike a show like say the Walking Dead where you can mute the entire show and still know what's going on, with GOT I find myself listening to closely to their dialect.

Maybe I missed it last week but how did Theon get himself locked up and tortured? Last I remember seeing him was in last seasons finale when he was giving that speech and then he gets knocked out. I thought the people who knocked him out were his sisters men.

And I was zesty last night trying to follow along, but who took down Winterfell?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2013, 10:13:14 AM
They have completely changed the Winterfell storyline.  If I hadn't read the books I'd have no clue wtf was going on with Theon.  I think you're purposely supposed to be somewhat disoriented about what's happening to Theon and by who.  Same with Winterfell.  It was more straightforward in the books but probably a spoiler to give away in the show.

BTW - if you want to keep track of characters in an entire non-spoiler way, HBO updates this and it's really good & useful.

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/season3/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 08, 2013, 10:56:24 AM
That makes sense. I avoid spoilers but I'm assuming at some point Robb Stark and his army are going to square off against the House Frey because Robb didn't live up to his marriage agreement. I'm taking what his #2 said as foreshadowing.

You don't have to confirm this because it would be a spoiler, this is just how I think it's going to play out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 08, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 08, 2013, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2013, 10:13:41 PM
Bolton
Karstark 

I've watched every episode of this show and I have no idea who the hell these characters are.

Bolton is a bit easier to remember because he might be the only dudeguyman on the show with short hair. He's the one who's always talking to Robb, the guy that brought in the messages while Robb was with his wife.

Karstark is the older dude with the long white hair that Robb was talking to on the horse.

From what I can gather of the Theon/Winterfell story, last season they had Winterfell surrounded (which we assumed was Roose Bolton's bastich and his men), and then as SD said the last thing we saw was Theon getting knocked out and carried off, and Winterfell was burnt to the ground, presumably by the Ironmen. But now Bolton is saying Theon was already gone when his bastich got there, which has to be a lie because we heard the men outside the walls last season. And the giveaway is that Theon was on the flaying contraption thing getting tortured, which is House Bolton's sigil. So I don't get why Bolton is lying about having Theon, unless he just wanted a chance to torture him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 08, 2013, 01:58:52 PM
Who is the Ironmen and what is their beef with the Starks?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2013, 02:06:31 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=On2YB1g-WFQ
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 08, 2013, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: SD on April 08, 2013, 01:58:52 PM
Who is the Ironmen and what is their beef with the Starks?

Also, you probably remember from last season the scenes from the Iron Islands where Theon went back to, to try and get his father (Balon) to join his navy with Robb's army. And also where Theon was hitting on his sister before she let him know who she was at Castle Pyke.

Where did that clip come from E_L? From the site you put up that link to? It look like a great resource, haven't had a chance to really check it out.

I also found it hard keeping the characters straight but watching the episodes a second time really brought everything together and filled in a lot of pieces.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2013, 03:58:33 PM
It was with the DVDs.  There are actual a lot of awesome videos like that which HBO released about Robert's Rebellion, the Night's Watch, Wildlings, Taegaryen history etc.  The interesting thing is they often have videos about the same events narrated from different houses - it keeps with the theme the books have which is perspective is important for events and sometimes for good & evil (example: not a spoiler but you would get a different version of what happened when King's Landing fell and Aerys was murdered if talking to say Ned versus Jaime).

I wouldn't recommend just YouTube searching for various videos because you might spoil yourself accidentally so if I get a minute I'll try link a few like that one here since they're well done.  If you watch on YouTube avoid the comments obviously.  People post tons of shtein which hasn't happened yet in there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2013, 04:17:48 PM
Example:

Robert's Rebellion:
House Tyrell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rVN9KespI
House Lannister - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llb1kHDfRRM
House Stark - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMxq8ZoXtGM

Night's Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmFqw-RoQO4

Wildlings: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbclj2pyh8

Valyria & Dragons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WemjYwYCAy0

Targaryen rise to power - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NddW6BlLKqo&playnext=1&list=PL398D899AEEC6FD78&feature=results_video
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 10, 2013, 12:44:52 AM
^^^^Those are pretty awesome. I will never understand how people can invent entire worlds and histories like that.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/86f5959497ed1d57a3a2781ad5bd231a/tumblr_mkyvintNeP1r9fp64o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
No idea what the hell is going on at this point.

I can't tell if the stuff with Podrick was just supposed to be funny or if they were setting it up that he's been betraying Tyrion or something. Definitely didn't see Tyrion being named master of coin/Littlefinger trying to marry Lysa Tully and get the Vale into the war. No idea who's helping Theon...I think it's supposed to be Roose Bolton's bastich but that would make no sense since we all assume he's the one that captured Theon in the first place. So I doubt he's actually "helping" him. Looks like the fire lady chick is trying to ditch Stannis, unless he sacrifices his daughter or something. And the Brotherhood is taking Arya and the Hound somewhere.

And then the end of the episode, you finally start to like Jaime, and then that happens. Very abruptly. Ouch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 14, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
They are wasting a lot of time on Theon's storyline.  You're supposed to be disoriented by it, but I think what they're doing with it is dumb.

Pod's scene I think was supposed to be just random comedic stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2013, 10:50:34 PM
That's what I thought at first, because I was definitely getting a good laugh out of it, but then I remembered this is Game of Thrones and I just assume the worst haha.

I really am confused with Theon's story line at this point. I can't tell if he's about to get the axe or what.

Also, almost forgot about what was going on North of the wall because of how much other shtein went down that episode. Looks like shtein's about to go down up there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2013, 11:50:08 PM
(http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/funny-game-of-thrones-19.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
http://arrestedwesteros.com/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 02:12:00 PM
I hate this thread, because like the Walking Dead posts, you guys have already read the stories and know what to expect and having a conversation with people like you is like meeting every week with my soothsayer and having him repeat what the oracle has already told me.

BTW, that pic is hilarious!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 02:42:08 PM
I think only Dio and I have read the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Really? Munson and MDS spew like they know everything. I'm scared to read their posts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 02:51:52 PM
Munson read the first 2 books but not what they're airing now.  Pretty sure it's just Dio and I and you won't be getting any future spoilers from me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on April 16, 2013, 02:54:01 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
Really? Munson and MDS spew like they know everything. I'm scared to read their posts.

And that's different from how they act in other threads because
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 03:03:43 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 02:51:52 PM
Munson read the first 2 books but not what they're airing now.  Pretty sure it's just Dio and I and you won't be getting any future spoilers from me.

Thank you Sir Eagles of House Legendz.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2013, 04:08:51 PM
lol thank you for that, GF


Ledgendz is right, chuggy. I've only read the first two books, am forcing myself not to read ahead. I've had some strong hints of things spoiled to me by douchebag friends, but for the most part I'm still innocent. It's hard to avoid spoilers for this show really.

I just like speculating on stuff that may or may not happen. It's like politics, but for even bigger nerds.

Another thing that has semi-spoiled stuff has been reading who was cast as what characters...because now I know what characters we're supposed to meet this season, so it kind of spoils some things that would total surprises otherwise.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
It's like self-circumcision. Why do you do it?

Stop reading spoilers. I would like to discuss this show...because it kicks so much ass...but at the same time...discussions lead to informed-speculation...which kind of ruins it for me. I like to stay raw when it comes to these shows.

That said, my girl think's Stark's wife is a spy, the french nurse. I concur.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
Something is off about all that. I don't like that so many people know she's his wife. They got married in secret, only to end up telling everyone she's Robb's queen? doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
Yeah, right? How does the bridge king who Rob had promised he would marry a daughter not already know about this?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
Some other topics for discussion (spoiler free) if you're interested:
1) what did Melisandre mean leaving Stannis this week/what is she going to do?
2) Dany's plans?

And I'm hoping with the speed some of the kids are growing on this show, if they do go back to the Vale with Littlefinger and Lysa Arryn, they don't show her son breast feeding again, who is probably like 14 now.

Also, I think with the Tully's being introduced (Catelyn's family), we've now seen all of the main families in Westeros (Arryn, Stark, Tully, Tyrell, Baratheon, Lannister, Greyjoy) with the exception of the Martells in Dorne (furthermost south part of Westeros).  Not a spoiler, but the Martells are the only family who the Targaryen's were unable to conquer when they came to Westeros though they ended up being probably the closest allies the Targaryen's had towards the end.

Robert's Rebellion was the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and the Vale (arryn) against Targaryen, Tyrell (Loras & Margaery), & Martell. 

The Lannisters sat out most of the war.  Tywin was the Mad Kings hand and did a good job but quit after Jaime was appointed to the kingsguard because he thought it was an insult (deprived Jaime of inheriting Casterly Rock, the Lannister home because the Kingsguard can't marry or inherit lands).  Tywin's forces showed up after the Targaryens were defeated when Robert killed Dany's brother, Rhaegar, and Maester Pycelle convinced the Mad King to open the gates and the Lannisters turned on them, and of course Aerys was killed by Jaime in the process.

/end nerdpost
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
Nice.

Ok,

1. That redhead is going to go farg the pirate in the ass. She's interesting and mysterious. I had a feeling that she might somehow feel or connect with Kalisee (sp?) and her being the mother of dragons, and all of the fire energy, maybe the redhead is going to try to handle that before it gets out of her control. The only other thing I thought is that she might someone be connected with the Warlock.

2. Dany, I think she'll get the army, confirm they are hers, hand over the chained dragon, and have the dragon burn the farg out of the bald-headed dude. Hell, the dragons may eat them. I think she'll liberate the city, gain more strength in popularity, and suddenly be the head of a bad-ass, killer army. She will free the slaves and protect the future children from being slaughtered. She's like Abe Lincoln except, she has dragons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 05:12:00 PM
Yeah, right? How does the bridge king who Rob had promised he would marry a daughter not already know about this?

I would assume he might. He would have to at this point, everyone else seems to know. Though with the army and robb so far South at the moment he probably can't do much about it right now. They are back in Riverrun now though, which is a bit closer to the The Twins than Harrenhall was. But the last thing the North can afford right now is a revolt from within.

Robb needs to figure otu what the farg he's doing down there. Either march on Kings Landing and hope for the best (which would be bad because with the Lannister and Tyrell armies being together, he'd probably be crushed), or just fall back behind Moat Cailin in the Neck and live as an independent nation. Keep armies near the Neck to march and help out Riverrun if/when Joffery/The Lannisters/whoever try to give them trouble.

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 05:33:49 PM
Some other topics for discussion (spoiler free) if you're interested:
1) what did Melisandre mean leaving Stannis this week/what is she going to do?
2) Dany's plans?

And I'm hoping with the speed some of the kids are growing on this show, if they do go back to the Vale with Littlefinger and Lysa Arryn, they don't show her son breast feeding again, who is probably like 14 now.

Also, I think with the Tully's being introduced (Catelyn's family), we've now seen all of the main families in Westeros (Arryn, Stark, Tully, Tyrell, Baratheon, Lannister, Greyjoy) with the exception of the Martells in Dorne (furthermost south part of Westeros).  Not a spoiler, but the Martells are the only family who the Targaryen's were unable to conquer when they came to Westeros though they ended up being probably the closest allies the Targaryen's had towards the end.

Robert's Rebellion was the Starks, Baratheons, Tullys, and the Vale (arryn) against Targaryen, Tyrell (Loras & Margaery), & Martell. 

/end nerdpost

1. I really have zero clue what's going on there. I was disappointed to hear Stannis say "I want Robb Stark dead"..was really hoping he'd decide to team up with the North eventually. But she's definitely up to no good. I'm with hbionic on this...I have a feeling her religion being the one with the fire god may come into play with Dany and the dragons somehow.

2. Also with hbionic on this. I can't see Dany just giving up one of her dragons like that. This might be the only predictable part of this show haha. I raelly have no idea what her next move is after Astapor though.

Were the Dornish really their allies though? I thought it had more to do with the Mad king not letting Princess Elia go home. Seemed kind of like a begrudging alliance. But they are the southern most kingdom, and Dany is going to be sailing in from the south, so it might make sense taht she lands there and tries to bring them on board. Not sure what that will mean for Princess Marcella.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 06:46:43 PM
Elia and Rhaegar married and the Martells were pretty loyal.  Not sure anyone, them included, were huge fans of Aerys as he was getting increasingly more crazy but they showed up at the trident to fight with Rhaegar.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Ha, I can barely keep up. How do you guys remember so much, all the names?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
They also were pretty upset with Rhaegar for giving the rose to Lyanna at the one tourney though. IDK....since I haven't read ahead, I really don't have a read on them and their thoughts on everything since they aren't around at all in the first two books.

Quote from: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Ha, I can barely keep up. How do you guys remember so much, all the names?

that website, towerofthehand.com, has been essential for me. When I'm farging around on the internet and bored, I'll go there and just look at shtein. I'm also very good with maps, so after looking at a map of Westeros a few times, I have a pretty good idea where everything is/what it's called.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 06:58:55 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 06:54:14 PM
Ha, I can barely keep up. How do you guys remember so much, all the names?

It's easier with book background.  Plus I am somewhat obsessed with asoiaf.  It's my favorite book series & Jaime is one of my favorite fictional characters ever so I know far more than I should about all this.  Like I said though I'll try to limit anything to background info or stuff discussed already in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 16, 2013, 07:01:23 PM
The intro refreshes things for me. Plus, what is cool is that the intro shows the places that will be involved in an episode. Makes it even more exciting.

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 06:58:55 PM

It's easier with book background.  Plus I am somewhat obsessed with asoiaf.  It's my favorite book series & Jaime is one of my favorite fictional characters ever so I know far more than I should about all this.  Like I said though I'll try to limit anything to background info or stuff discussed already in the show.

No sweat, just a great story and series. The background info helps, so thanks for that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 07:02:06 PM
Don't get me wrong, Im not saying the Martells are Targ loyalists - they aren't & they're completely self motivated.  All I was saying is we haven't met them yet and they're unique because they were never conquered.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2013, 07:03:03 PM
hbionic, the best thing about towerofthehand.com is you can set it so that spoilers aren't revealed to you. It asks how many books you've read and how many seasons of the show you watched, so it'll spoiler tag everything that isn't from your scope, while still giving you the background info from the books that is useful and not spoilers (ie the whole Rhaegar making a pass at Ned's sister in front of everyone even though Rhaegar was already married to the Dornish princess)

Edit-And, at this point, you can pretty much lie to the website and say you read the first two books because there really isn't all that much left from those two that hasn't been revealed yet. From what my girl tells me, the only stuff that's in book 2 that wasn't shown in the show yet is what really went down with Winterfell being burned to the ground, and some stuff with Dany still.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2013, 07:06:33 PM
Munson is right, if you're curious use the towerofthehand website.  It lets you set how many books you've read in a drop down menu so it blocks all spoilers past that.  I wouldn't ever google anything about the show or read any comments anywhere because people spoil everything.  That website is safe though and helpful.  So is HBO's guide that I think I posted in this thread.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Loved pretty much everything up until Craster's Keep, at which point I immediately hated everything. Then loved everything at the end.

But all the plotting with Lady Olenna/Varys and all...love it.

Also glad that Tywin is a huge dick to Cersi, and stated that he'll put Joffery in his place. Will highly enjoy watching that if/when it happens.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 21, 2013, 10:13:22 PM
Great episode...best of the season so far.

I had a pretty good feeling that's how the Daenerys/unsullied/dragon story line was going to play out and it was still awesome to see it unfold.

One of my favorite characters is Olena Tyrell. The actor who plays her is outstanding. The way she gets Margaery to manipulate Joffrey and Cersei's reaction is priceless.

What's the deal with Varys? Did he have his junk chopped off?

Here's a deleted scene from season 2 which would help set up tonights exchange between Olena and Varys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WsuxUkVY20
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2013, 10:22:10 PM
Yeah he's a eunuch, aka he had his balls and dick chopped off. Though I think people in westeros assumed it was some sort of custom from wherever he was from and had no idea that it happened the way he explained it tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2013, 10:28:56 PM
Also I thought I remembered that scene being included in the actual episode, not deleted....Littlefinger is definitely a power hungry mofo. I didn't realize until tonight though where they were going with him and Sansa until they pretty much said it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2013, 10:45:53 PM
Conleth Hill does a really good job as Varys.

The end scene was really well done.  Looks like they upped the CGI budget even from Blackwater with some of those zoom out shots.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 22, 2013, 03:05:25 AM
A couple of things were curious to me. What is the deal with the plan to marry Sansa off to Lorus? Other than him not being suitable for marriage, I thought the plan was for Lorus to go to the King's Guard to keep an eye out and protect Margaery from Joffrey. Are they suddenly that confident he won't turn on her? I wondered what Margaery really thought about Joffrey's considering gay secks punishable by death (last weeks episode) and if that might play into the new plan to marry Lorus to Sansa. It still doesn't make a lot of sense unless keeping Little Finger out of Winterfell is more important, or maybe just the Tyrell's getting Winterfell for themselves if Robb dies.

The other thing I still don't get is what is the deal with the dude who set Theon "free"? Last week I didn't buy that he was sent by Yara. It didn't make sense when he was helping Theon up after shooting the riders and he both addressed Theon as "my lord" and also said "winter is coming." One is Iron Island and the other is Stark (and it is dubious that anyone from the Islands would recognize Theon as lord anyway). But if he is Bolton, why would he shoot the riders chasing Theon?

The mystery of who burned Winterfell seemed to be answered when Theon said something like "I burned it all," just before going into the dungeon.

Lastly, the biggest mystery of all - what did Pod do?! Glad to see some comic relief, the show needs more of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 22, 2013, 01:55:59 PM
With everyone assuming Bran & Rickon (and Arya) are dead, Sansa becomes a pretty important bargaining chip.  If Robb is killed in the war, Sansa becomes heir to Winterfell, so it would be a way of extending Tyrell influence North.  Whether there's altruistic reasons for it as well (meaning whether or not the Tyrell's are more compassionate) is up for debate.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 22, 2013, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 22, 2013, 03:05:25 AM
A couple of things were curious to me. What is the deal with the plan to marry Sansa off to Lorus? Other than him not being suitable for marriage, I thought the plan was for Lorus to go to the King's Guard to keep an eye out and protect Margaery from Joffrey. Are they suddenly that confident he won't turn on her? I wondered what Margaery really thought about Joffrey's considering gay secks punishable by death (last weeks episode) and if that might play into the new plan to marry Lorus to Sansa. It still doesn't make a lot of sense unless keeping Little Finger out of Winterfell is more important, or maybe just the Tyrell's getting Winterfell for themselves if Robb dies.

The other thing I still don't get is what is the deal with the dude who set Theon "free"? Last week I didn't buy that he was sent by Yara. It didn't make sense when he was helping Theon up after shooting the riders and he both addressed Theon as "my lord" and also said "winter is coming." One is Iron Island and the other is Stark (and it is dubious that anyone from the Islands would recognize Theon as lord anyway). But if he is Bolton, why would he shoot the riders chasing Theon?

The mystery of who burned Winterfell seemed to be answered when Theon said something like "I burned it all," just before going into the dungeon.

Lastly, the biggest mystery of all - what did Pod do?! Glad to see some comic relief, the show needs more of it.

1. I think the idea was born more from Varys and Lady Olenna, not Margery herself. They just had Margery tell Sansa because, well, Margery is good at that whole thing. I think Olenna and Varys have different motives for why they want Sansa with Loras....Varys wants to do everything he can to prevent Littlefinger from gaining any power, whereas with Olenna and the Tyrells it's all about gaining influence IMO. With the Baratheons and Starks ravaged by war and such at the moment, the Tyrells have more or less become the 2nd most powerful family in the realm. I think they see an opening where they can combine their influence with that of The North, and actually become more powerful than the Lannisters. And Varys knows that's Olenna's intentions, and probably doesn't think it's a very bad idea. At least, in his eyes, a much better option than Littlefinger getting The North should Robb fall.

If it happens, I wonder how Sansa will handle finding out that her big crush really does like penis. Poor girl can't catch a break.

2. Maybe it's a power play on his part? If he really is Bolton's bastich, maybe he doesn't get a lot of respect from the men, so he did this to prove himself a bit? Or maybe he was literally just doing it to farg with Theon/torture him a little more psychologically.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 22, 2013, 07:38:07 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 22, 2013, 01:55:59 PM
With everyone assuming Bran & Rickon (and Arya) are dead, Sansa becomes a pretty important bargaining chip.  If Robb is killed in the war, Sansa becomes heir to Winterfell, so it would be a way of extending Tyrell influence North.  Whether there's altruistic reasons for it as well (meaning whether or not the Tyrell's are more compassionate) is up for debate.

I still can't tell if Margaery is at all trustworthy or compassionate (eg with the orphans) or just very good at playing everyone, which is my bet (in part given how she didn't hesitate when telling Little Finger that she wanted to be THE queen before Renly was cold).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 22, 2013, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 22, 2013, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 22, 2013, 03:05:25 AM
A couple of things were curious to me. What is the deal with the plan to marry Sansa off to Lorus? Other than him not being suitable for marriage, I thought the plan was for Lorus to go to the King's Guard to keep an eye out and protect Margaery from Joffrey. Are they suddenly that confident he won't turn on her? I wondered what Margaery really thought about Joffrey's considering gay secks punishable by death (last weeks episode) and if that might play into the new plan to marry Lorus to Sansa. It still doesn't make a lot of sense unless keeping Little Finger out of Winterfell is more important, or maybe just the Tyrell's getting Winterfell for themselves if Robb dies.

The other thing I still don't get is what is the deal with the dude who set Theon "free"? Last week I didn't buy that he was sent by Yara. It didn't make sense when he was helping Theon up after shooting the riders and he both addressed Theon as "my lord" and also said "winter is coming." One is Iron Island and the other is Stark (and it is dubious that anyone from the Islands would recognize Theon as lord anyway). But if he is Bolton, why would he shoot the riders chasing Theon?

The mystery of who burned Winterfell seemed to be answered when Theon said something like "I burned it all," just before going into the dungeon.

Lastly, the biggest mystery of all - what did Pod do?! Glad to see some comic relief, the show needs more of it.

1. I think the idea was born more from Varys and Lady Olenna, not Margery herself. They just had Margery tell Sansa because, well, Margery is good at that whole thing. I think Olenna and Varys have different motives for why they want Sansa with Loras....Varys wants to do everything he can to prevent Littlefinger from gaining any power, whereas with Olenna and the Tyrells it's all about gaining influence IMO. With the Baratheons and Starks ravaged by war and such at the moment, the Tyrells have more or less become the 2nd most powerful family in the realm. I think they see an opening where they can combine their influence with that of The North, and actually become more powerful than the Lannisters. And Varys knows that's Olenna's intentions, and probably doesn't think it's a very bad idea. At least, in his eyes, a much better option than Littlefinger getting The North should Robb fall.

If it happens, I wonder how Sansa will handle finding out that her big crush really does like penis. Poor girl can't catch a break.

2. Maybe it's a power play on his part? If he really is Bolton's bastich, maybe he doesn't get a lot of respect from the men, so he did this to prove himself a bit? Or maybe he was literally just doing it to farg with Theon/torture him a little more psychologically.


I can't tell if Olenna is all that motivated to expand Highgarden's influence or prioritizes Margaery's safety more (i.e. wanting Lorus for the King's guard) but she did scoff at the weakness of their words and sigil compared to Stark's and Greyjoy's an such (lol, saying "grow strong" to her granddaughter as she left).

After helping the Lannister's at the battle of Blackwater, they are already in good with them so they can afford to play it either way, fully allying with the Lannisters and/or making a play for the North and possibly setting themselves up for Winterfell with Sansa.

After watching the dragons torch Astapor it occurred to me that since fire is what kills white walkers maybe this is moving toward an eventual showdown where Dany's' dragons kill them in a great battle. And if she's the only one that has a good shot of killing them she is in a powerful position over the houses of Westeros (presumably depleted by then) to protect them or not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 22, 2013, 09:16:10 PM
I haven't seen the show past season one, so I'm not really sure what you're all talking about, but if I'm understanding all of this patter between you nerds, then the show deviates a good bit at points from the books.  Or you are idiots who can't follow a plot.

Also...gin is back in my life after a long disengagement.  Huzzah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 22, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
From what book readers have told me, the only major difference so far is what has happened between Littlefinger/Sansa. Everything else has been minor stuff that was cut, or was just saved til later/shown earlier.

For example, despite being in both the first and second book, we didn't meet Edmure Tully or the Blackfish Tully until this season. And everything that is currently happening to Theon apparently is what happened to him during Book 3 and 4, but you didn't find about about it until book 5.

Start watching season 2 between digging ditches you miserable drunk farg.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 22, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
Send me the discs. Yuppie fargs like you aspire to be don't pay me enough money to afford HBO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 22, 2013, 10:00:10 PM
I don't know if the teevee show is hewing so close to the story about the fall of Winterfell, Roose Bolton's bastich, Reek, and Theon Greyjoy from what I've read here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 22, 2013, 10:40:29 PM
There are some deviations from the book regarding Winterfell.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 03:54:52 PM
Looking forward to tonight.

Don't think this is a spoiler but just in case:
[spoiler]I think you're going to see some rather explicit nudity tonight based on the episode's title.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2013, 10:22:54 PM
Arya/Hound-Holy farg. I spent all of 20 seconds being disappointed that Berric Dondarrion died. Good (fire) lord.

Kings Landing-lol Lady Olenna even fast talks Tyrion. She is quickly becoming my favorite character. Poor Sansa, she's to be wed to a handsome dude who is getting his butt poked, and now the Lannisters wanna marry her to Tyrion. Did not see that coming at all. It's frustrating watching Tywin because one minute I hate him for being a fleshpop to Tyrion, but then the next I love watching him metaphorically bitch slap Cersi. I don't get why Littlefinger even went to the Queen with that info, considering it seemed to be his plan to marry Sansa himself. I guess he's okay rolling the dice with the Eyrie. I wonder how Varys and the Tyrells will take this news...looks like trouble brewing between the two ruling families.

Robb-fargin a. shtein is falling apart here. Karstark farging everything up. Robb shoulda listened to everyone and spared him. Dumb move. I was really hoping shtein would go good for him but it's not looking like it. Though the idea of him going after Casterly Rock sounds pretty awesome.

JonWooo, Ygrette T&A. Like seeing Jon stop being a little bitch and actually speak up to the Wildlings.

Dany-Was hoping Selmy would have brought up the fact that Ned Stark tried to talk Robert out of killing Dany. Equally surprised he had no idea Jorah was spying for Varys at first. I do wonder who Selmy had in mind for who will be the "good men around her"...he must have some idea of who in Westeros may join her cause.

Stannis/Ser Davos-Have no idea what's going on here. Dude's just moping around, trying to be a dad again, finding out his Governor from Walking Dead wife has given him a permanent hall pass. His daughter was introduced in book 2 if I remember correctly, but I don't remember many details about her story. I'm hoping this stuff starts to move forward at some point.


Overall an awesome episode and once again at the end I was looking at the tv wondering what the hell is going on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:27:08 PM
NCW just murdered the bath scene - he's been acing Jaime IMO.

My guess is with Littlefinger (pure speculation on my part), he was seeing if Sansa would go with him anyway.  When he found out Sansa seemed good with Loras, he went to the Lannisters in hopes Sansa wouldn't be ok marrying into the Lannisters because of everything they've done to her.  So his only chance to sneak Sansa out would be to breakup the Sansa/Tyrell pairing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
also I found Jorah's stuff funny, kind of probing at Barristan to see if he knew Jorah sold out Dany earlier.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 28, 2013, 10:36:26 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:27:08 PM
NCW just murdered the bath scene - he's been acing Jaime IMO.


What does this mean?

I'm assuming the figs are what's making the women in the kingdom so easy to persuade. Imagining Cersai and Loras is hilarious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2013, 10:37:53 PM
Oh yeah, completely forgot about the Jaime scene, which was goddamn excellent. Finding out about Jaime warning the Mad King not to trust Tywin is definitely a big "wow" moment for the character. I think he misjudged Ned though, I think all of that information would have softened Ned's "judgement" of him a bit. Ned was "honorable", but he also valued innocent human life pretty highly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:38:27 PM
Sorry NCW = Nikolaj Coster Waldau, the actor who plays Jaime.  I was just saying I think he's done a great job this season as Jaime and did a really good job with the monologue tonight about the real reason he killed Aerys (instead of Ned's line season 1 "you served him well while serving was safe").
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:41:11 PM
I think Jaime has a masochistic bent.  He's definitely been a bad guy (tossing Bran out the window is inexcusable) but a lot of it is colored by Aerys.  People view him as having shtein for honor and being disloyal etc, when really he saved thousands of peoples lives by killing him when he did and I think it disillusioned him.  He was all about honor and loyalty and when that happened and the reaction he got, I think he just internalized and sort of said farg everything in relation to vows and all that, but Brienne is slowly transforming him again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2013, 10:43:44 PM
I think part of it is definitely a "pride" thing as well...he thinks being seen as cold blooded raises the regard as a fighter people hold him in. He could put up with being hated by everyone while he still had a right hand and was feared around the 7 kingdoms as a fighter. Now that he's lost that, it's weighing heavily on him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
Was it just me or was Brienne all of a sudden fargable? Also, the ice chick all of a sudden too farging skinny. Decent ass, but woah, too many ribs showing through her chest.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
also I found Jorah's stuff funny, kind of probing at Barristan to see if he knew Jorah sold out Dany earlier.

Remind me...it was jorah who met with Varys in the dungeon in episode one? About her joining forces with the horse dude? Kal? That?

I'm confused on him. How did he manage to be at her side?

Also, on Barristan, he served Dany's kin, then the king who replaced him, now he gets a free pass with her?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 29, 2013, 01:33:14 AM
Quote from: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
also I found Jorah's stuff funny, kind of probing at Barristan to see if he knew Jorah sold out Dany earlier.

Remind me...it was jorah who met with Varys in the dungeon in episode one? About her joining forces with the horse dude? Kal? That?

I'm confused on him. How did he manage to be at her side?

Also, on Barristan, he served Dany's kin, then the king who replaced him, now he gets a free pass with her?

The guy in the basement with Varys was the dude in Pentos who's house Dany and Visarys were staying with. Magistar something or other. Jorah was in Essos because he ran there to get away from Ned Stark after be broke the slave trading law.

How he got by her side I'm not exactly sure. He showed up at their wedding with the gifts and I think it was implied that he was sent there by Varys.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 29, 2013, 11:07:44 AM
Quote from: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2013, 10:28:19 PM
also I found Jorah's stuff funny, kind of probing at Barristan to see if he knew Jorah sold out Dany earlier.

Remind me...it was jorah who met with Varys in the dungeon in episode one? About her joining forces with the horse dude? Kal? That?

I'm confused on him. How did he manage to be at her side?

Also, on Barristan, he served Dany's kin, then the king who replaced him, now he gets a free pass with her?

I think Munson is right that Jorah was more or less sent there.  He wasn't with Varys in the dungeons but he's worried because in season 1 it's showed that Jorah had been reporting on her movements to Varys and the Small Council (and therefore betraying her).  So he wanted to see if Barristan knew Jorah had betrayed Dany at one point (though in my eyes he has made it up since then).

Barristan is respected because he's been in the kingsguard forever and served "loyally".  It brings back into context and for debate the entire concept of loyalty and what it means in this world though - are your oaths and loyalty really more important and valuable (they do seem to be to most) than doing what is right (i.e. killing a homicidal maniacal king)?  I'm not sure there's necessarily a right answer, I just thought it was interesting how the show had two scenes very close to another where one (Jaime) is divulging the real reason behind becoming Kingslayer, whereas in the other (Barristan) says basically he'd never forsake an oath no matter what.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:00:16 PM
I like Jorah a lot, and didn't really realized he was reporting back...but I did have a hint of that because Varys knew so much of her whereabouts.

I don't trust Barristan...he's cool, but I just don't trust him.

*Eagles_Legendz, that is an interesting observation...that was well done if that was the case, back to back, giving the viewer a nice contrast on the issues affecting these men.

More and more, the Theon part of the story intrigues me. I can't wait for next week. That bloke just got life's shtein end of the stick.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 30, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
I don't know if they would be able to pull it off with how extensive the shooting is, but how awesome would a mini-series focused on Robert's Rebellion be? It would be a huuuuge benefit to the people who just watch the show since so much of the backstory depends on it.

Though I guess with some possible spoilers, it wouldn't be possible to do until after the series is complete.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 30, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
You could really make a series about the stuff leading up to the rebellion and the rebellion itself.  It's funny if you think of the narrative trajectory how tightly it would fit a typical fantasy trope: evil king, forces for good coming to save the realm, winning the decisive battle and the young brave knight stabs the king to save everyone. 

and then fast forward 17 years to see how farged up everything is. 

What I'm worried about is with the pace Martin writes, whether the show is going to catch the books before the last one is published.  Game of Thrones keeps growing its viewership - it's up to 5.3 million per the last episode, officially passing True Blood as the highest watched HBO show.  It's grown from 4.3 to 5.3 already this year in 5 episodes, so I would think at this point we're probably going to make it to the end without it being canceled (should be 8 season show since book 3 [this one] is the only one which requires it cut in half).  It would be weird if the show creates cannon ahead of the books.

I'm pumped for the rest of the season.  I think the last 3 episodes have been pretty great and the rest of the season is just going to keep that up (with the possible exception of next episode).  And not to put the cart ahead of the horse, but I think season 4 will be even better for the most part.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 01, 2013, 06:02:35 AM
When he published book four, Martin said that book 5 was right around the corner.  Six years later, it finally dropped.  The question I have:  will the dude live long enough to "finish" the series.  I put that in quotes because I'm convinced he has no farging clue where he's going with all this.   He's just making it up as he goes, slowly.  Anyone who hopes for different story lines to be buttoned up is likely just setting themselves up for disappointment, because this guy is just noodling around and have you seen him?  That heart could sympathize with Andy Reid's overtaxed ticker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2013, 11:27:23 AM
He's apparently outlined it with the HBO creators in case anything happened.

I actually think he has had a plan but can't stop himself from world building.   I don't want to get into spoiler territory but he deals with so many tertiary characters in way too much detail in the latter books that it stalls the narrative momentum of the main ones.  I've always felt like he's had a plan (all the prophecies and foreshadowing and whatnot) but can't help himself and badly needs a better editor for the last 2 books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2013, 02:52:07 PM
If anyone wants non-spoilery background stuff to add details, this is really good on the Lannisters.  There's also another one about Tywin and Tywin's father, explaining how Tywin got the way he was, and there's another on the history of the Targaryens.

I think this is pretty entertaining and for non book readers gives great background info without spoiling anything in the future.  It does have added details of background history that they may get into later so I will say watch at your own peril if you want 100% no info whatsover, but I think it's basically just details that the show can't get into for time reasons which help explain the characters more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLXmhA0jVOI
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 01, 2013, 03:56:55 PM
If the show does catch up to the books, HBO could do a season on Robert's Rebellion to fill the time.

Quick, someone write HBO
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 01, 2013, 08:14:19 PM
Yeah, I think HBO and Martin have been talking about a prequel, which would be great. Interesting the parallel between Jorah and John Snow both falling for someone they originally set out to betray. Struggles with conscience and shifting allegiances seem to be a central theme (Theon, Davos etc.) and sets up a nice contrast with those who don't seem to have difficulty with it (eg small counsel guys).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
I believe they're talking about potentially adapting "Dunk and Egg" stuff which has nothing to do with the rebellion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 01, 2013, 10:35:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
I believe they're talking about potentially adapting "Dunk and Egg" stuff which has nothing to do with the rebellion.

Too bad, I'd really like to see a pre-rebellion prequel featuring all the characters we hear about, a well as ned and robert's earlier days.

Quote from: hbionic on April 29, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
Was it just me or was Brienne all of a sudden fargable?

Not sure about fargable but that was my first thought when she suddenly stood up  in the pool - hey wait, now I want to see her front, too. Anyone else think Melisandre is hot? And gives Dany a run for the money in being the most fargable in the show? I mean, she can make her moist areas any temperature she wants, right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 01, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
Cersei is the hottest women on the show followed by Margaery

http://nationalskirtday.com/2012/06/07/game-of-thrones-who-is-the-hottest/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 01, 2013, 11:22:04 PM
I don't think Cersie is as hot but she has a nice personality
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 01, 2013, 11:25:13 PM
I'm more into brunettes but she has great lips and I've always been attracted to the crazy type
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 01, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
The actress playing melisandre is beautiful...just from the link SD posted. Must google her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 01, 2013, 11:33:19 PM
They forgot Ros though. She might be the most flat out fun.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 01, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
Dany is the hottest for me. Especially with the dark hair goddamn.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2013, 01:29:41 AM
(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130401035847/gameofthrones/images/1/14/Missandei_season_3_ep_1.jpg)

Missandei is smoking.

But I agree with Munson that Emilia Clarke with dark hair is the best.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 02, 2013, 09:29:42 AM
i don't want to read any spoilers so not gonna read this but is this season any good?

i am saving up to take a lazy sunday one of these weekends and just tear through them all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 02, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 02, 2013, 09:29:42 AM
i don't want to read any spoilers so not gonna read this but is this season any good?

i am saving up to take a lazy sunday one of these weekends and just tear through them all.

To me it starts off a little slow, then picks up with each episode. The last one (5) I think was the best. Definitely worth watching imo, even with the slower start.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2013, 09:29:18 PM
First two episodes are slow in that they're primarily reintroducing everyone.  I think the last 3 have all been very good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 04:11:17 AM
This past episode was probably the worst one....nothing really happened, it was like a filler, but im hoping we get to some good stuff next episode.

This season has been a big case of blue balls and its starting to hurt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 10:29:19 AM
There was a lotttt of setting up that episode it seemed.


I enjoyed seeing the two red priests in the same area. Was kind of hoping a little more would come of it, but Melisandra seemed pretty freaked out by what Thoros was doing to Beric. Also she seemed to predict that Arya would be killing some folks down the line hah.

Kinda pissed Tywin got the best of Lady Olenna there. Hopefully she's got something else up her sleeve. But it appears she is mortal after all.

Poor Edmure, gotta marry a Frey daughter. But hey, she's 19, buck up dude. You're like 30.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 10:45:41 AM
Quote from: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 04:11:17 AM
This past episode was probably the worst one....nothing really happened, it was like a filler, but im hoping we get to some good stuff next episode.

This season has been a big case of blue balls and its starting to hurt.

I think this season has been better than last but this was the worst of the season.   Also the most divergent from the books but I think part of it is when you spend 35 mins with Sam/Bran/Jon/Theon it just isn't going to be as good and I predicted as much in this thread.

Fortunately, the rest of the season should be pretty awesome starting next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
Now that they're over the wall, I'm gonna be much more interested in Jon's story. Are they gonna fight what's left of the Night's Watch? Are they going to start marching south into The North and find Winterfell burnt out? Are Bran and Rickon going to find Jon?

Theon's story is intriguing but at the same time it doesn't really seem as important right now. Definitely a little gross though.

Sam's story sucks at this point. Not sure where that's going. The Dragon glass has to come into play at some point though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 11:14:06 AM
At this point Theon's story is clearly more about introducing who is torturing him as a character rather than Theon himself.  I still wish it was abbreviated some.   Dont need the watch Theon get ripped to pieces every week story.  They can skip a few episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 06, 2013, 11:20:23 AM
I'm sure this show is good...but I just don't have a natural interest in the genre. Walking Dead is sort of the same way. Assuming that I don't have time to watch both, which one of those shows is more of the "must watch"? I know that this is the GoT thread, but I think most of the people in here rave about the other one, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 11:37:12 AM
The Walking Dead has a lot of potential, but definitely isn't up to the same quality as Game of Thrones. I mean if you enjoy the idea of living in a world taken over by zombies, you'll enjoy Walking Dead, but you'll definitely be able to see the weak writing, acting, and dialogue. It's just frustrating because they'll have some really great episodes (The Pilot, the season 2 mid-season finale, the "Clear" episode this season), and then some episodes where it's slow moving and the writing isn't good enough to make up for the slow pace.

Game of Thrones has superior acting, superior writing, and a much bigger budget. I also avoided it like hell at first because I wasn't into the fantasy genre, but then I started watching, and it's pretty damn awesome. A lot of politics, a lot of cloak and dagger stuff, and up until this season the fantasy stuff has been mostly background.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 11:40:27 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 11:14:06 AM
At this point Theon's story is clearly more about introducing who is torturing him as a character rather than Theon himself.  I still wish it was abbreviated some.   Dont need the watch Theon get ripped to pieces every week story.  They can skip a few episodes.

Yeah that definitely seems to be the case. I'm still assuming it's Roose Botlon's bastich since he was the one that was sent to get Theon out of Winterfell. Plus he had that horn this week that Theon was getting all pissy about last season hah
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 06, 2013, 01:03:44 PM
i think this is my problem with the show...i watched the first two seasons and i still have no idea who any of those names are that you are saying. roose botlon?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 01:11:00 PM
In Season 2, Roose Bolton was the guy with the shorter hair that became Robb's right hand man. In the episode where Robb meets the hot chick as she saws off that dude's foot, Roose Bolton is the guy that was talking to Robb about all the prisoners and tried talking him into flaying and torturing the prisoners for information. He's the guy who Jaime was talking to yesterday at the dinner table.

In Season 2, when they heard that Winterfell was captured, Bolton is the guy that says to Robb "Let me send word to my bastich at the Dreadfort (where House Bolton lives), he can gather men and take back Winterfell"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 06, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
Bran is boring. Theon is just what the farg. Jon is meh. Sam is fat and needs to die. Now that Jamie has lost his hand and cried like a bitch in the bathtub, I don't care about him anymore.

But even still I thought last night was good because of all of the storylines happening in King's Landing. The Sansa/Tyrion/Littlefinger/Tywin/Olenna/Joffrey story lines and political maneuvering are great.

And the Melissandra/Thoros/Arya thing was pretty good too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
I get the feeling Bran won't be as interesting again until we get more detailed visions from him/the Reed boy shows him how to use his gift. But I am hoping he and Jon meet up
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 01:41:29 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 06, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
Bran is boring. Theon is just what the farg. Jon is meh. Sam is fat and needs to die. Now that Jamie has lost his hand and cried like a bitch in the bathtub, I don't care about him anymore.

But even still I thought last night was good because of all of the storylines happening in King's Landing. The Sansa/Tyrion/Littlefinger/Tywin/Olenna/Joffrey story lines and political maneuvering are great.

And the Melissandra/Thoros/Arya thing was pretty good too.

I think there is a pretty considerable gap between the more and less interesting characters, at least, in terms of where they're at in the show right now.  I understand what they're trying to do with Theon but I feel like I'm watching Hostel with it.  I think they could avoid showing a random body part gets tortured every week.  Bran is Bran.  I've always found him to be boring, but his story is slow right now.  Sam is the same.  Jaime is my favorite character so I disagree on that front, and love him & Brienne but to each his own.

I agree with all of the King's Landing stuff.  Tyrion has taken a back seat this season compared to the last two.  It will be interesting to see whether he gets more prominent a role the second half of the season. 

The scene with Melisandre was the first that I've enjoyed with her.  I don't think the actress does a great job with a character who I found to be pretty interesting in the books, but that scene was good.  Also, on top of all the shtein which should happen next week, Martin (the author) wrote it.  He wrote two very good episodes for the show in season 1 and 2 (The Pointy End & Blackwater) and this next one should be no exception.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 06, 2013, 01:45:43 PM
I liked Jamie and Brienne when they were matching wits and building towards a duel and earning each others' respect. Now that Jamie is diminished in body and bravado he's just a throw-away character. There's every chance for him to become interesting again, but right now he's just blah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/loras-face.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 02:08:29 PM
I think what's interesting about Jaime and Brienne is how Brienne represents, in a sense, what Jaime thought he would be as a kid.  Dude joined the kingsguard at 15, the youngest ever and seemed genuinely interested in just being an "honorable knight" (and boning his sister).  Then he saw all the shtein Aerys did, how he burned people alive etc, and the reaction he got after killing him and that just completely embittered his character and outlook on life/vows/honor and he came to basically singularly rely on his fighting abilities and developed this sense of cynical pessimism.  Brienne represents what he thought being a knight would be etc and I think you can see a part of her rubbing off on him (and maybe him on her, getting her to realize everything isn't always what it's like in the storybooks).

I just think he's at an interesting point in the story in terms of self assessment and whether Brienne and the loss of what identified him "I was that swordhand" will actually change him in any way.  Basically whether he wants to be more than what he's become, or whether all he wants to do is just get back to Cersei and have things be the way they were before he was captured.  I think he's at an interesting crossroads.

/end fanboy post
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 02:25:35 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 06, 2013, 02:01:04 PM
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/loras-face.gif)

Speaking of Loras they're sorta making him move on a tad bit quick from Renly in the show aren't they?  Not that he's thrilled with the marriage prospect, but having sex with another guy...I don't normally quote or compare at length with the books unless its asked but he had one of my favorite book lines that obviously ain't happening in the show:

"When the sun has set, no candle can replace it."   Regarding the prospects of being happy with anyone else post-Renly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 02:30:52 PM
I mean at this point I think it's been a long time since Renly died, no? A guy's gotta get laid once in a while haha

If he wasn't thrilled about Sansa, I'm sure he's downright mopey about being paired with Cersi now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
Wasn't he banging Cersi?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 02:35:29 PM
Haha maybe though Sansa would definitely want to jump his bones whereas Cersei certainly has experience in a loveless marriage and might actually prefer someone not interested if she had to get married again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 02:34:14 PM
Wasn't he banging Cersi?

Nah that was her cousin Lancel who was wounded @ Blackwater and hasn't shown up this season yet.  Lancel is the dude who was Roberts cup bearer season 1.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Wait, didn't Lancel show up through the doors with Tywin Lannister as he rode in showing everyone his forces saved King's Landing?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
Wait, didn't Lancel show up through the doors with Tywin Lannister as he rode in showing everyone his forces saved King's Landing?

No that was Loras Tyrell (Knight of Flowers/Margaery's brother/Renly's bf and the guy in that pic).

Loras = Tyrell, gay, badass.
Lancel = Lannister, not badass, banged Cersei
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 02:48:35 PM
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

One funny part about the show to me has been recently how the ice chick loves the fact that snow ate her out...that no one's every done that before.

I keep yelling at the screen, 'That's because you have a dirty, stank Hoyda' you non-showering woman.

*How males and females went down on each other prior to the invention of soap and showers is beyond me.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 06, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
too many names. i feel like if i made up an entire fantasy world in my head it would be much less confusing. what a loser.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 03:02:18 PM
Yes we are.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 06, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
i plan to spend an entire sunday in the future watching the complete third season so that is probably worse.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
That's actually a great idea. I caught up with season 1 after starting on season 2 in one day and it was good.

The best part is, you can't wait until the next episode and the fact you know the next one's coming...it's like popping right after you just popped.

Make sure you wear your comfiest jammies when you do that, sammich, and a bottle of wine.

The way that things are building up this season, it's going to have a great payoff at the end (I hope).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 06, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 06, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
i plan to spend an entire sunday in the future watching the complete third season so that is probably worse.

After the first season I went back and watched it again (in part because I didn't see all the episodes in order) and it all made a lot more sense to me then, plus I got all the characters straight which had been confusing before. Don't know if you have the time or interest to re-watch some earlier episodes, but it does help make more sense out of everything.

I also agree with E_L and others about the ongoing Theon torture. It is getting to be a turn off with the show. I heard some promo stuff last off season in which they were talking about how there would be plenty more blood lust and screaming, as if that were some kind of titillating tease for the viewers. And maybe it is, I don't know. Even if his situation is ongoing and an integral arc, I still don't need extended graphic depictions.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
The Theon stuff occurs offstage in the 3rd book.  You aren't there for it while it's happening.  I think the creators believe they need to show it, primarily to be fully introduced to what a psychopath the guy who has him is, but I think it was a miscalculation - I think they could have gotten the point across in less than half the time, especially when, to me, a lot of characters are in interesting places this season.  I'd much rather spend an extra five minutes with Margaery or Olenna, or Jaime/Brienne, or Tyrion & Varys etc than seeing various scenes of torture.  I think they could've done something like shown him the first or second episode, shown him midway through the season in one scene to show how bad it's going, and then once more later in the season towards the end to show what bad shape he's in (Theon) and how messed up the guy who has him is.  I don't think you need this every episode thing, which is a shame because I like so many of the storylines right now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 06, 2013, 04:20:02 PM
Yes, agree. It has gotten me curious if it is a miscalculation, or if much of the general viewing public would rather see the torture scenes than any of the other possibilities and the producers are pandering to that. It would be a shame if they were compromising the show in that way.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2013, 04:23:25 PM
Nerds. The lot of us!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 04:25:39 PM
To be fair, they have left that story line out of 2 episodes so far. I get the feeling they'll be left out of at least one, if not 2 of the remaining episodes of this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
In case anyone gets bored and wants to be ubernerdy before next week, possible topics for conversation:

1) People think there's a falling out in store for Shae/Tyrion, or will they find a way to deal with it?
2) What does Mel have planned for Gendry?
3) Where does Jon's allegiance actually lie at this point?  Still to the Night's Watch, or has it fractured now (even setting aside the "Night's Watch" as he knew might be gone after what went down at Craster's Keep)?
4) What does Bolton have in store for Brienne/is Jaime actually going to be freed/go without her?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Chameleon on May 06, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
In case anyone gets bored and wants to be ubernerdy before next week, possible topics for conversation:

1) People think there's a falling out in store for Shae/Tyrion, or will they find a way to deal with it?
2) What does Mel have planned for Gendry?
3) Where does Jon's allegiance actually lie at this point?  Still to the Night's Watch, or has it fractured now (even setting aside the "Night's Watch" as he knew might be gone after what went down at Craster's Keep)?
4) What does Bolton have in store for Brienne/is Jaime actually going to be freed/go without her?

Your knowledge on this matter is about as impressive as it is ridiculous. Not trying to throw a crimp in all of this. Just saying, "SHIIIIITTTTTTTT".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 07:03:34 PM
I'm absolutely 100% a self-admitted game of thrones nerd. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2013, 08:36:48 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 06:38:42 PM
In case anyone gets bored and wants to be ubernerdy before next week, possible topics for conversation:

1) People think there's a falling out in store for Shae/Tyrion, or will they find a way to deal with it?
2) What does Mel have planned for Gendry?
3) Where does Jon's allegiance actually lie at this point?  Still to the Night's Watch, or has it fractured now (even setting aside the "Night's Watch" as he knew might be gone after what went down at Craster's Keep)?
4) What does Bolton have in store for Brienne/is Jaime actually going to be freed/go without her?

1. Shae is gonna be bitchy and say "let's just leave!" again. I'm more interested in how Sansa reacts/how her interactions with Tyrion go.

2. I mean she said she needed the blood of Stannis and Gendry is his bastich nephew. I don't know if that means they're gonna sacrifice him or just use some blood or what. I wonder what he's gonna think upon finding out King Robert was his dad.

3. I think now that he's over the wall he's going to be much more interested in finding his family. Though I think he is technically still "aligned" with the Night's Watch. But who's there to warn? He said 1000 men still manned Castle Black but I think he was exaggerating that number a great deal. And god knows where the rest of the rangers are at this point. I thought they'd make it back to the Wall by now.

4. Yeah I have no idea what the hell is going on here. Bolton is being shady as shtein not sending Jaime back to Robb. But he's letting him go without demanding a ransom from someone else?? Makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
My guess with their interaction Bolton, if you take him at his word and the insinuations, would be returning Jaime because he understands what the wrath of Tywin could entail if he didn't send him back and Tywin found out & seems more concerned about that than he is money, though the scene doesn't make clear whether Bolton would be expecting a reward or not.

More problematic is the decision with Brienne - if he keeps her alive, she can talk about him letting Jaime go.  If he doesn't, & Robb and co. found out about it, wouldn't it be obvious he freed Jaime and kept her behind?  Doesn't seem like either scenario is exactly great for him there unless maybe he thinks he can cover up her death and/or have it blamed on someone else.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 12, 2013, 10:06:51 PM
I propose we greet each other by saying 'Valar Morghulis' to each other after every episode. It's only proper.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 12, 2013, 10:23:00 PM
Valar Dohaeris, hbionic.

Kings Landing-lol there are times where I really, really, really like Tywin Lannister. This episode was one of those times. So happy to see him basically dare Joffery to say something wrong to him. Margery is apparently a total ho. Oh, Sansa and Tyrion. I'm still not convinced it's actually going to happen, but I'd be really interested to see what happens. Like Margery said, their kids would be the heir's to both The North and Casterly Rock. I can't see Shae sticking around much longer...

Robb-Helllllllo, Talisa. And now there's a Prince/Princess in the North.

Arya-Sometimes she's so wise, and other times she's such a whiney little baby. Stick with the brotherhood you dumb shtein. Did not expect her to run into The Hound out there. That's going to be an interesting combo. I wonder if the Hound tells her he tried to get Sansa out of Kings Landing.

Gendry-So, now he knows. Though the preview for next week didn't seem to bode well for him.

Jaime/Brienne-Well shtein. I'm trying my hardest to hate Jaime still but after tonight I don't think I can muster much hate up. He's definitely turning into a different dude. Poor Brienne got farged up by that bear.

Theon-Meh. farged up dude continues to be a really farged up dude. Though I hope we get to the point of that story soon.

Jon-Kinda wish Ygritte would hold true to her "you and me" schpeel from last week and stop worrying about the Wildlings fight against the Wall. Jon's right, they're gonna lose. They should be banning together with the Crows at this point since they all know what's out there.

Dany-Every episode she becomes an even badder bitch. I wonder who these friends are of Yunkai are. I"m guessing either Lannisters or Dothraki khals. Could also be Littlefinger, since Yunkai's chief export is whores.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2013, 10:52:09 PM
The Theon shtein and the Bran scenes are so much worse than every other scene on the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 12, 2013, 10:58:58 PM
Completely forgot about Bran haha. I know it's hard to do, but they either need to leave his scenes out altogether or spend more than a couple minutes with him so that they can actually explain what's going on there. I was excited at first to see the Reed's, but so far we've learned pretty much ziltch about them/the visions/etc. We just get Osha being all pissy every week.

I did get a good laugh at the "Hodor." line though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2013, 11:05:51 PM
Yeah the Hodor line was hilarious.

Sepinwall made an apt comparison in his review between the way Jojen is being used and Lost - kinda being the prescient character who sort of knows what's going / has "powers" but isn't explaining anything sufficiently to the audience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 12, 2013, 11:10:39 PM
After a haitus between books four and five I'm back in the saddle.  Should wrap up book five in a couple weeks now.

A question for you teevee watchers:  Is Strong Belwas in the show?  The scene where he taunts the slaver city after slaying their whoever it was is easily my favorite from the entire saga.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2013, 11:15:49 PM
Nope, they axed Belwas (for this season at least - this would be the first time he would've shown up).  Agreed that part is hilarious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 13, 2013, 03:30:37 PM
I'm even more skeptical of Rob Stark's hot-assed wife. I think she's writing Tywin Lannister, who is a certified bad-ass.

I love how the dragons keep getting bigger and bigger each episode...it's almost like they're our own kids.

I think Brienne is hotter now than she ever was with that bear claw scar on her neck.

Jamie Lannister is also becoming one of my favorites. He went from a funhole to hero in my eyes.

This season has been slow...but like each an every episode...I'm hoping the next one erupts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
I thought the season started slow, and then 3/4/5 were pretty great & busy but then it has cooled off considerably the last two episodes.  Like its this wave...start slow building to mid season climax, calm down and set the table again and then have it build for the last few episodes.

Still I thought the last two were pretty meh for the most part.  I love that they're splitting the third book into two seasons because its too much to do in one, but the downside is you get repetitive scenes like w/Sansa and Bran etc.

The positive is both of them, and Sam, even, should actually have stuff to do besides sit and walk around the last few episodes. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2013, 03:45:59 PM
The preview for next week showed Sam holding a spear at someone saying "Get back!" or something to that effect.

Like I said, I really wish they'd spend more time with Bran so we actually get an idea of what's going on, instead of these short scenes where they almost just seem like a reminder that the character exists.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 13, 2013, 03:53:22 PM
Who's Sam again?

By the way, I'm loving this Theon shtein. It gets better every week.

Also...if you wikipedia game of thrones list of episodes, you can see how the first episode had just over 2 million viewers and each episode has had more than the last and past 5.5 like one of you said earlier.

Television-hypnotics, it's fantastic!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
Sam's the fat little piggy from the Night's Watch that is currently escorting that daughter of Crastor and her baby around trying to make it back to the Wall. Last time we saw them was the begging of last week I think, when she asked Sam to sing a song for her and the baby.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 13, 2013, 04:04:21 PM
That's right. Fat little piggy.  :-D

Valar Dohaeris.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
Yes, all men must suffer...but we are not me-...wait.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 13, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
Nerd!  ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 14, 2013, 11:49:35 PM
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/hodor.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 14, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/got-lulz-orell.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 15, 2013, 01:34:24 AM
Lol Hodor. 

Buy a wind mill, go green, and get Orell sex.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 18, 2013, 02:29:22 PM
http://chrisbrockman.com/2013/05/16/game-of-thrones-nfl-style/

I thought most of them sucked, but there were one or two that were pretty funny...

QuoteHODOR — Rob Gronkowski, Patriots: Could you imagine if Gronkowski had a press conference and just said, "Hodor, Hodor, Hodor" every time someone asked him a question? It would be the greatest YouTube moment in sports. Just a big, lovable galoof is what Hodor is, and you could make a serious argument that's exactly what Gronk is, only with more alcohol. Now if we can just get GOT's writers to work in "Yo Soy Fiesta" as a battle cry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 18, 2013, 11:22:27 PM
gronk is pretty close to ending up more like Jamie
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 19, 2013, 10:51:54 PM
Really liked the pacing and focus of that episode in comparison to the last two.  The wedding was awesome.  Sad it's off next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 19, 2013, 11:32:58 PM
Yeah, what is up with no show next week?

After the epsiode I debated with a friend whether Tyrion was embellishing his drunkenness to save Sansa. Although Tyrion has had some nice scenes this season with him debating Tywin, Olenna, Cersie and such, I don't like the scene selection emphasis of brains over Bronn.

Margaery has worked her way through the ranks pretty well with her smiling and taking people by the arm schtick, so it was cool when Cersei told her "if you ever call me sister again I'll have you strangled in your sleep."

Samwell is a dumbass for leaving the obsidian dagger behind.

Liked the surprise scene with Dany in the bath tub and the 2 dudes heads.



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 19, 2013, 11:59:07 PM
Last season Blackwater got crushed ratings wise because it was on Memorial Day, so HBO is skipping it this year to air the Liberace movie.  My guess is they're also fine with the buildup going to episode 9 because the 9th seems to be the climax of each season (with Ned dying season 1 and Blackwater last year). 

I think Tyrion was absolutely drunk but obviously played up being a fool to Joffrey to let Joffrey save face.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 20, 2013, 12:10:27 AM
That was a really good episode. I'm glad The Hound told Arya how he tried to help Sansa/how he's taking her to the Twins.

Tyrion being drunk at the wedding was awesome. Loved watching him farg with Tywin and tell Joffery off.

I knew that dragon glass was going to come into play after they found it last season. Still a mystery as to who put it there...could have been Benjin?

Naked dany. Did not see that coming with the heads. I thought after we met the "Titan's bastich", he'd be the main antagonist for Dany for the rest of the season...that didn't last very long.

Cersi is a miserable bitch right now. I hope Margery gets her back for that comment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 20, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
Also, it was nice to have the Joffery hatred re-affirmed this week. It's been a while since I've really wanted to see him die.

Of course, a season and a half ago I was hoping Robb Stark would be swinging his sword through Joffery's neck, but at this point I can't see the Northern army making it down to Kings Landing. Stannis doing the shtein with the leeches makes me think he'll be the one who eventually gets Joffery
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 20, 2013, 12:41:03 AM
Good point about the ratings, figured there had to be a logical explanation. People who missed Blackwater got screwed though. Just watched it tonight with a friend who got into GOT this season, so each week we watch an old episode before the new one. So it sounds like season 4 will follow the same April to June schedule then? That's longer than the farging NFL off season.

Agree that was a good episode, possibly the best this year for me. My guess is the First Men buried the artifacts, Sam seemed to recognize something on the lid covering it that made him think so, iirc.

I wonder if episode 9 has Robb marching on Casterly Rock as a climax?

If Melisandra/Stannis' leech thing works, that should take care of Joffrey as well as Robb. Feel bad for Gendry, not because of the leeches but because he didn't get to pound the shtein out of Mel.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 20, 2013, 12:59:38 AM
I don't remember the significance of the blade, and thought it was weird that it killed the general of the dead walkers...or his stunt double...but after reading your posts, it explains it. Where did he get the blade again?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 20, 2013, 01:27:21 AM
they found the dragonglass middle/late last season at the fist of the first men (sam/grenn/a few other night's watch people) when they were digging in the snow. 

I think episodes 3/4/5 were really good this year and 6/7 hit a lull.  This last one felt right again to me pacing wise.  It also reminded me how much I miss Tyrion since this was the first really heavy Tyrion episode this year.

It seems the show has a very deliberate structure with the seasons having episodes 1/2 as place setters, 3/4/5 as mid-season high points, 6/7 again as place setters, and then it picks up down the stretch the last 3. 

It also helps that I think there's a feeling of pieces moving together right now.  Robb and co. moving tangibly moving towards a goal and Arya's story on the verge of meeting and collapsing with them, Jaime/Brienne closing in on King's Landing since Harrenhall is fairly close and they're free now, even the northern scenes seem like people are getting relatively close in location (and thank god sam finally had something to do).  The show's biggest weakness is that is has so many characters and storylines that the weaker episodes feel like disconnected 5 minute chunks of various characters.  I still like those episodes, but it's nice when you get a concentrated one like this one, and the feeling that some of the plots are building and/or different strands are becoming slightly more interconnected. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2013, 09:59:28 PM
What the farg did I just watch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2013, 10:31:18 PM
RIP Robb.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2013, 10:35:31 PM
This is the first time where a non-football/baseball/hockey TV event has actually affected my mood in a way that makes me want to scream at the television.

It's been a half hour and I think all I've managed to say is "what the farg" a bunch of times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2013, 11:26:18 PM
(http://cdn.chud.com/9/9c/9ceef732_bFZcAow.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 03, 2013, 04:44:28 AM
Wow!  :o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2013, 01:13:17 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/792d5bfd5e6f51e35b66cec93df1d5b3/tumblr_mntts3SRgo1rromj7o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 03, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
 I couldn't stop laughing during the wedding ceremony. That was a great scene.

My girl is still speechless about last night's episode. I think the best episode of all, even over black water.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2013, 01:30:50 PM
Yeah Edmure was all about dat ass once he saw her.

But Roose was acting weird, and then Catelyn watched that guy close the doors and the Rains of Castamere started playing and I knew something was up. Ugh.

I don't even know what to think about the future implications. The previews for next week show us some things...Even though Stannis wished Robb dead, he said "my enemies are making my kingdom bleed"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 03, 2013, 01:50:04 PM
I don't know how Bolton is all of a sudden part of all of this. He let Jamie go, right?

Remind me again, how he was with the Starks?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2013, 02:13:02 PM
He is Stark bannerman who's family sits at The Dreadfort, which isn't too far from Winterfell according to most of the maps I've seen. As far as I know there was never any tension between House Bolton and House Stark or Ned and Roose in general, other than Ned outlawing flaying, which is what House Bolton is known for. But Bolton seemed to be loyal to Robb in Season 2, and became his right hand man more or less.

He did let Jaime go, and Jaime even said "you do realize how suspicious this would seem to a normal person?" or something to that affect, but I wasn't sure if he meant the whole letting him go thing or just making a crack at the fact that Roose wouldn't drink to it.

Basically, between Walder Frey, Tywin Lannister, and Roose Bolton, I think Roose is the one I'm most pissed at for being a backstabbing icehole. I'm assuming he got paid off by Tywin and will probably be awarded by being named Warden of the North and become a major house now. Ugh. But then I don't know that means for Tyrion, as Tywin specifically had him marry Sansa because he said shes the key to the North if Robb were to die....so I don't get what the farg is going on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 03, 2013, 02:29:21 PM
Now that you cleared that up a little, my guess is that Tywin is always 8 steps ahead of Lord Saris (sp?) who is 8 steps ahead of the rest of the world.

Tywin is a hard man to beat.

I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 03, 2013, 02:48:37 PM
I need to start watching the show so that when I pop in here it doesn't look like some giant dorkgasm all over the screen. Out of context, these posts are hilarious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2013, 03:02:02 PM
Start watching the show, avoid all spoilers, stop coming to this thread and forget all you've read in here
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 03, 2013, 03:17:57 PM
It's all nonsense to me; no way I'd retain any of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 03, 2013, 03:41:19 PM
Zanshin,

Just wait until you get to the part where John Snow is forced to eat his wolf.

The sex scene between Lady stark and Brienne is magic on the screen.

Oh, one of the Dragons dies...but it's only to pull the dwarf out of its stomach. I can't believe he survived.


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2013, 06:03:58 PM
In the books it's just a random chapter in the middle of book 3, so it's even more of an out of nowhere WTF moment.  At least the show has established episode 9 something major goes down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2013, 08:19:44 PM
I want to discuss the other plotpoints because a lot of important shtein happened, but I can't even begin to think about the episode without this happening...

(http://i.imgur.com/yG8yL.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on June 03, 2013, 08:21:31 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc26b05811a74c4b089fdcf851ca7bda/tumblr_mnu29utFW91qjtxz4o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2013, 07:10:51 PM
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/6/7/12/enhanced-buzz-31773-1370623882-5.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 08, 2013, 08:01:38 PM
 :-D

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2013, 09:28:41 PM
Haha priceless.

Any exciting predictions for tomorrow?  Judging by the preview they're checking in with everyone which is meh since I like the episodes focused more. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
I have to assume that House Bolton gets named Lord Paramount of the North. I just don't know what that means for Tyrion and Sansa, unless Tywin is playing both sides of the fence and saving Sansa as his ace in the hole if the North refuses to really unite behind Roose Bolton. Which I think might be the case since he slaughtered a lot of their men. I imagine we'll finally get some info on the assumed bastich of Bolton too, since the whole plan seems to have come to fruition. I don't know if Theon will be getting away or not. On that same note, I assume House Frey also gets made Lord Paramount of the Riverlands.

From the preview for next week, Stannis seems pissed about the Red Wedding because he says "My enemies are making my Kingdom bleed." Well, icehole, don't leech kings blood and wish death about Robb Stark. Hopefully this will finally get his storyline in motion again though. Though he doesn't have much of an army left so god knows how that's going to happen.

Also from the preview, looks like Joffery and Tywin are gonna go at it. Definitely want to see what happens there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 09, 2013, 02:36:45 AM
I hate Jeoffrey so much that I like him so bad.

Weird, but does anyone feel the same?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2013, 01:10:04 PM
Yea Jack Gleeson is awesome.

Sad no more GoT for 9 months after tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 09, 2013, 05:00:55 PM
We can always arrange a monthly GOT roadie to everyone's home amongst us and have a circle jerk over book III to pass the time?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Ughhhh. Those first 10 minutes or so were rough. Poor Robb/Grey Wind  :( farg you Walder Frey/Roose Bolton

I'm surprised with how quickly I went from being pissed at the Greyjoy's for invading the North, for cheering on the Greyjoy's for invading the North haha
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 02:01:52 AM
"It's not easy being drunk all the time. If it were easy everyone would do it..."   My favorite line of the night. And imo this was by far the best episode of the season. They did a very good job bringing most all the lines together (Little Finger off in the Vale and the Tyrells aside).

I'm enjoying the parallel lines of how the Arya/Hound and the Jamie/Brienne relationships are developing.

"I've made my decision." Quote from two different kings who were immediately overruled.

The dialogue tonight was was brilliant (e.g. Cersei to Tyrion "So, enjoying married life?" ...and the rest of the scene that followed.

Some nice subtlety too, like when Pod was scurrying by to summon Tyrion and the young ladies snickering saying "that's him," referring back to the guy who was so good the whores wouldn't even take his money. I was always disappointed they never did further explain that one.

Ygritte was conflicted, needs a therapist. Violence is never the answer.

My impression was that Arya decided on her fate when she held up valor morgholis coin after stabbing the shtein out of that guy's neck. I think she'll be off to find Jaqen Hagar (sp?) now that she doesn't really have anything left to live for and wants to be faceless person.

I'd do Gilly, actually. Just have to watch out for that overbite.

The moment Cersie turns to see Jamie and his stump I think was very well done, truly captured the poignant note they were looking for. They also managed to bring together all the story lines in one episode a way that had some resolution for the season yet still left you hanging a bit, which isn't an easy feat with so many point of view arcs (though I think Samwell popping up out of the well and happening to meet Bran & Co was a bit of a stretch).

I also like Melisandra's character development and how even though she's a manipulative bitch she's completely dedicated to what she sees as truth, even if she doesn't like it. Second time she's spared Davos' life.

This last episode helps redeem this season which I thought wasn't as strong as the first two. It just got too dark and too heavy without enough of the wits and banter, bawdiness or occasional comic relief to balance it out, and I'd say the last two shows kept the season from being a disappointment.

Oh, and I opened a bottle of red wine to celebrate the last show, pretty much kept pace with the characters. Win.

This off season is longer that the NFL, wtf.





Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 02:11:17 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 09, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Ughhhh. Those first 10 minutes or so were rough. Poor Robb/Grey Wind  :( farg you Walder Frey/Roose Bolton


Yeah, usually they segue well from one scene to the next but the first several minutes were blunt cuts, like going from Arya seeing her dead brother's decapitated body with his direwolf's head attached to Tyrion strolling along with Sansa.  I think that gave a hard edge and added to an intended effect of how it was supposed to hit the viewer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 02:25:43 AM
yeah I like the Arya/Hound combo as well. If Arya really does decide to go off and find Jaqen, I hope the Hound stays with her. Maybe he feels the need to protect her or something after all the awful shtein that's happened.

The Cersi/Jaime thing was a bit weird mostly because the whole time I was sitting there thinking DUDE SHE'S YOUR SISTER.

I'm really happy that Varys is on Tyrion's side and wants to see him ascend. Varys is a really good ally to have. I don't know how much longer Tyrion is going to put up with Tywin's shtein. And I love seeing Tywin and Joffery fight.

Quote from: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 02:11:17 AM
Yeah, usually they segue well from one scene to the next but the first several minutes were blunt cuts, like going from Arya seeing her dead brother's decapitated body with his direwolf's head attached to Tyrion strolling along with Sansa.  I think that gave a hard edge and added to an intended effect of how it was supposed to hit the viewer.

As if last week wasn't bad enough, them marching his body out with the wolf's head on it screaming "here comes the King in the North!" was just brutal insult to injury. I really hope we get some sweet Stark revenge by the end of this series. Frey and Bolton need to die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 10, 2013, 03:30:56 AM
I'm getting a feeling that Bolton is almost as smart as Tywin in terms of plotting. He's positioned himself rather well.

The Hound/Arya combo is pretty dope. I do hope they tear things up together. Maybe she'll spare him.

I'm with Munson, all of a sudden, I'm pulling for the Grejoys to succeed. The sister seems to be tough as nails. I can't wait to see how that story develops in 10 years when the show comes back.

I have a feeling that Jamie Lannister is going to have to break things off with his sister to pursue Brienne's heart. I think he loves her and she loves him. Sister Hoyda is not as good as warrior-chick Hoyda.

Ok, so...road trip for the season opener? Who's hosting?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Munson, if you're looking to read part of the 3rd book without being spoiled going forward, you're good to read through p.737.

Eagaholic, I thought the 8th episode with Tyrions wedding was one of the funniest episodes in the shows history.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 11:56:57 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Munson, if you're looking to read part of the 3rd book without being spoiled going forward, you're good to read through p.737.

Eagaholic, I thought the 8th episode with Tyrions wedding was one of the funniest episodes in the shows history.

So they actually covered everything up to that page without anything else being left for the future? I assumed they might have jumped around a lot and left some things in the first half for later.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 12:05:45 PM
They jumped around a little bit, but you're not going to spoil anything major by reading to that point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
E_L, Tyrion had a great line in E8 when he said to Sansa something to the effect of 'come, I'll tell you all about it, it will it you in the mood' after telling everybody how he once was so drunk he threw up on a girl when making love. His previous lines were funny but not light because of the tension, not knowing how Joffrey would react by Tyrion's threatening to cut off his cork. I can't remember other parts from the show though that made me laugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 10, 2013, 12:36:55 PM
Great end to the season. This show needs less references to cocklessness, though. Between Varys, Theon and Tyrion's threats to Joffrey, I get a little squirmy in the pants just sitting through an episode and listening to all of the dick-torture conversation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
E_L, Tyrion had a great line in E8 when he said to Sansa something to the effect of 'come, I'll tell you all about it, it will it you in the mood' after telling everybody how he once was so drunk he threw up on a girl when making love. His previous lines were funny but not light because of the tension, not knowing how Joffrey would react by Tyrion's threatening to cut off his cork. I can't remember other parts from the show though that made me laugh.

There were a couple of more subtle ones, even in the Red Wedding episode. Walder looking at Robb like "you missed out on my hot daughter!" made me chuckle, and then the ugly Frey girls looking at the Blackfish and smiling, and Blackfish turning away as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 12:05:45 PM
They jumped around a little bit, but you're not going to spoil anything major by reading to that point.

Thank you, sir. I can live with some minor spoilers, especially because a lot of them are so minor that I don't end up thinking of them as spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 10, 2013, 12:59:24 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 10, 2013, 12:36:55 PM
Great end to the season. This show needs less references to cocklessness, though. Between Varys, Theon and Tyrion's threats to Joffrey, I get a little squirmy in the pants just sitting through an episode and listening to all of the dick-torture conversation.

Shut up, you love it!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 01:25:45 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 02:05:27 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on June 10, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
E_L, Tyrion had a great line in E8 when he said to Sansa something to the effect of 'come, I'll tell you all about it, it will it you in the mood' after telling everybody how he once was so drunk he threw up on a girl when making love. His previous lines were funny but not light because of the tension, not knowing how Joffrey would react by Tyrion's threatening to cut off his cork. I can't remember other parts from the show though that made me laugh.

Olenna Tyrell doing her own version of I'm my own grandpa was my favorite funny part of that episode.  That or Tyrion hoisting a cup to Loras as if to say you're next as Loras looks horrified.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
Yeah Lady Olenna was the best addition of this season. She's up there with Tyrion on my favorite characters list
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
We meet people from Dorne next season.  The last major house in Westeros yet to make an appearance. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 10, 2013, 02:16:15 PM
God damnit! Eagle Legendz!

So much for surprises.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 02:20:45 PM
Lol it's not a spoiler.  I didn't provide any context, just that the last of the houses gets introduced next year (Martells of Dorne).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 10, 2013, 02:22:44 PM
You didn't even let me guess the House name? Damn you Eagles Legendz! :boom



;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 11, 2013, 01:51:09 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 11, 2013, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Munson, if you're looking to read part of the 3rd book without being spoiled going forward, you're good to read through p.737.

Eagaholic, I thought the 8th episode with Tyrions wedding was one of the funniest episodes in the shows history.

Okay so I bought the big version of the book because I wanted teh big book..and it only has like 800 pages or so. Can you give me a chapter/POV I'll be ending on/what the last event I'll be reading is? I don't wanna read ahead and stumble upon something major by accident. I may end up reading the whole thing anyway because not knowing how this book ends is killing me, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 11, 2013, 10:02:52 PM
You little bitch. You can't wait 10 months like the rest of us. You little, anxious, get-ahead of yourself, little bitch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 11, 2013, 10:07:04 PM
It's killing me man....I'm trying to resist, but it's killing me. I need Legendz to confirm the last chapter for me so I can try to stop there haha
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 11, 2013, 10:11:35 PM
Holy crap...show some self respect.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 11, 2013, 10:12:22 PM
I am a weak little nerdy bitch...I have no shame.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 11, 2013, 11:06:13 PM
You're acting like a little stark bitch right now Munson...and I'm not even talking about the girls!

You're going to wait and that's that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 11, 2013, 11:07:11 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 11, 2013, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 09:33:22 AM
Munson, if you're looking to read part of the 3rd book without being spoiled going forward, you're good to read through p.737.

Eagaholic, I thought the 8th episode with Tyrions wedding was one of the funniest episodes in the shows history.

Okay so I bought the big version of the book because I wanted teh big book..and it only has like 800 pages or so. Can you give me a chapter/POV I'll be ending on/what the last event I'll be reading is? I don't wanna read ahead and stumble upon something major by accident. I may end up reading the whole thing anyway because not knowing how this book ends is killing me, but we'll see.

You can read through the chapter after the Red Wedding in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 11, 2013, 11:11:45 PM
Quote from: hbionic on June 11, 2013, 11:06:13 PM
You're acting like a little stark bitch right now Munson...and I'm not even talking about the girls!

You're going to wait and that's that.

he's not spoiling anything show related, just wanting to read up to what the show has gotten to without ruining things (difficult to know for non-readers because the show only covered parts of the 3rd book).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 12, 2013, 04:51:59 AM
Lord Legendz, it starting to sound like you are one of House Munson's banner men.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 12, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
House Munson: Fire and Bowling
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 14, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2013, 02:08:53 PM
We meet people from Dorne next season.  The last major house in Westeros yet to make an appearance. 
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 17, 2013, 10:26:46 PM
Tywin Lannister: Don't give me any this "ole" shtein, Dorne!

also, lmao...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpzjhxmDA8Q

Apparently someone also yelled "The North Remembers!" but I haven't found video of that
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 22, 2013, 01:49:34 AM
I guess filming people watching the Red Wedding was become a bit in an interwebz meme. I like how the lady drains her flagon of wine at the end, and the kid and his db brother are great..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuMwOqqcHyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvSxRsFW_o

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 22, 2013, 02:04:14 AM
I would also climb in bed between these two distressed damsels to console and comfort, I don't even care why the flies are there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=179sfKzq94E
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 22, 2013, 11:09:48 AM
Yeah there are some really great reactions out there.

There's an "in Memorium" video from their panel at comic con that I hear is pretty sad to watch
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 23, 2013, 03:38:51 PM
It starts out as comedy and then sort of is serious.  Read any of book3 yet Munson?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 23, 2013, 03:45:10 PM
Yeah I watched it yesterday....I did not expect them to try to get EVERYONE that died into it haha

I've read up until the chapter you told me I could. I decided for the time being not to read ahead. The feeling of awfulness that wanted me to know more post-Red Wedding has subsided. The book is sitting on my dresser though, in case I decide to go for it. I'm hoping that news from the set/casting will keep me held over until The Walking Dead starts, which will keep me sufficiently occupied until next spring.

They already cast a couple of people, and winteriscoming.net speculated that one of them may be Mace Tyrell. The guy they got for Oberyn Martell played a roll in last summer's Burn Notice TV-movie event about Sam Axe (Bruce Campbell). I only got one chapter of him through Tyrion before the Red Wedding happens, and I'm already excited as hell for him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 29, 2013, 12:46:26 AM
lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbEhByk4Icg
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on July 29, 2013, 08:43:51 AM
That was funnier than it should have been.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 29, 2013, 11:25:59 AM
"khaleeeesiiii"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 29, 2013, 10:22:29 PM
Mace Tyrell has officially been cast (http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/roger-ashton-griffiths-cast-as-mace-tyrell/)

Basically looks like what I imagined.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 02, 2014, 08:51:38 PM
From the John and Ygritte Crows before Hoes dept:

QuotePresident Obama watches Game of Thrones. We now know which TV shows President Obama watched in 2013. While some shows on his list were light-hearted comedies, most of his favorites were dark, complicated dramas, the kind of fare you'd think a guy would avoid when he's got real world stuff to worry about. Like many of us, the president says he's a big fan of Game of Thrones. This bit of trivia may be surprising, but it will no doubt confirm your perceptions of the man. Of course he likes a show about complex characters whose honorable intentions often get them into trouble. Of course he appreciates a show where the world is led by an absolutist who ignores the will of the people. Of course he enjoys a show where it's possible to rain fire from the sky (and, just out of curiosity, how good would dragons be at reading everyone's ravens?). But admit it: regardless of your political persuasion, you'd love to watch a secret videotape made by Joe Biden capturing POTUS' reaction to the Red Wedding.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 02, 2014, 09:09:54 PM
lol that's great.

The first comment on that on towerofthehand:

QuoteI won't believe until I see the long form version of his cable bill, detailing a subscription to HBO
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 10, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
Season 4 starts April 6th and we get the trailer this Sunday on HBO at 9:58
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 10, 2014, 02:59:54 PM
http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/01/hbo-just-dropped-five-sneak-peek-vines-season-4-game-thrones/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20uproxx%2Ffeatures%20%28Uproxx%29
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 10, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
The best thing about that was one of the headline links at the bottom of the page

QuoteCraigslist Missed Connection: Nice Lady Seeks Stranger Who Pissed Himself When They Kissed On New Year's Eve
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 10, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
i peaked at the book summaries online so i know who dies this season assuming they stay on course with the books.


:yay
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on January 10, 2014, 04:50:15 PM
You little bitches just can't control yourselves, can't you? You must have been those kids that unwrapped the christmas presents waaaaay before the 25th.

bastiches.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 10, 2014, 05:38:50 PM
Those snippets are awesome. I assume the guy with the spear is one of the Martells.

I'm trying to see who that is in the background watching the fight...looks to be Tywin, can't see who the two guys next to him are. One of them is definitely a little hefty, which is how Mace Tyrell is described...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 10, 2014, 05:48:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih3WsEKmID0

I see what looks like a Stark flag being flown (It's all white, can't see the sigil)...The North remembers
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 12, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSg_gJkU7ko
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 12, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
Way too excited now...Rewatched it a few times and paused it when it would move fast, thes are some of the things I noticed...

-Jaime holding a sword with his left hand...I wonder if he intends to learn how to fight left handed
-Varys and Oberyn Martell talking in front of the Iron Throne...should be an interesting conversation
-Ser Allister Thorne! He's back! And probably still hates Lord Snow.
-Tyrion in tears, talking about "if you came here for Justice"....who the hell could be be talking to? The Martells?
-We see a lot of dead bodies on a battle field that looks to be somewhere in the Riverlands or The North, and a rider with a white banner riding in the background...can't make out the sigil on the banner though, which leads me to believe it's a Stark banner...hmmm
-We see two groups of soldiers meeting in a field that also appears to be somewhere in the Riverlands or the North...but both groups appear to be flying the same banner, that being the crowned stag/fiery heart of Stannis...I think. it also could be the Greyjoy flag I guess, but I don't think so...
-We see that creep rapist from the Night's Watch leaving a baby out in the snow, presumably to sacrifice to the White Walkers
-Arya has needle back...How the hell does that happen? We also see her holding a bloody sword and the Hound beating the shtein out of someone...I'm really hoping for a Hound/Arya ass kicking journey around Westeros.
-We see Cersei telling Tywin she will burn House Lannister to the ground...interesting
-We see Sansa...in a land covered in snow....Wonder how the hell that happened...
-We also see Theon, in armor, on horseback...does Yara get him out? Or has something else happened?
-Looks like the biggest glaring omission from the trailer is Brienne...Don't think we saw her once
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 15, 2014, 12:36:37 AM
Actually I think Cersei says something like you'll be fighting over him like thieves until you tear him apart - I'll burn our house to the ground before I'll let that happen (I'm guessing she's talking about Joffrey), so a bit of a different context.

Good to see Davos again, like his character.

In terms of seeing a Stark banner, I was always interested in how/if Blackfish would re-enter the story, and maybe if he rallies the Northmen and Riverun. Speaking of Blackfish, just made me think of an interesting parallel between King Robb and King Joffrey - that they both failed to heed advice not to behead a 'traitor' for treason (Lord Karstark/Ned) from their mothers and other advisors, of which Blackfish was one. The kings wanted to set an example, which led to dire (wolf) consequences.

Maisie Williams (Arya) is one of the best child actors I've ever seen, looking forward to how her line unfolds in the show. There imo was foreshadowing in the scene where Ned is watching her train with Serio Ferrell, when the sounds from their swords clashing turned from that of wood to steel, as the smile drains from Ned's face (although it could have just foreshadowed Ferrell's apparent demise on that same spot at the hands of the King's Guard).


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 17, 2014, 03:09:28 PM
john snow will be .......
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 17, 2014, 03:23:05 PM
I also hope The Blackfish comes back into play, I really like his character. I can't imagine the Northern lords rallying to him because he's a river Lord, but I can see him kind of going rouge and taking his revenge from the Frey's or something.

Maybe the Hound and Arya can stumble upon him and he can help get Arya to safety or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on January 17, 2014, 03:36:04 PM
i haven't watched season 3 yet and i'm considering not watching it.  i like the show, but it's frustrating to watch and try to keep track of everybody.  and i can see it coming now that they are going to catch up to the books and have to stop the show because this jerkoff can't seem to finish a book in under a decade.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on January 17, 2014, 03:43:30 PM
Japan runs into that problem constantly with their creepy-ass cartoons based on creepy-ass comics. Once they get through all the 12 year old girl tentacle rape the comics laid out the shows either go on hiatus or write their own shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 17, 2014, 03:44:54 PM
I was confused as hell after my first watch on Season 1, which I marathoned about a month before Season 2 started, but after Season 2 I went back and watched Season 1 again and everything made a lot more sense. It definitely took me more than one viewing to get all the names and story lines straight.

The only new characters you meet that play a big role in Season 3 are the wildlings that Jon Snow was getting taken to at the end of Season 2, but so far I haven't felt compelled to need to know their names yet as it hasn't really been important to the story. There is one big character throughout season 3 that they intentionally don't want you to know who he is, but they make it kind of obvious by the time you find out.

I've also nerded out and spent a few hours on the spoiler-free towerofthehand.com, so it made it a lot easier for me to figure out who everyone is haha.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 17, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2014, 03:36:04 PM
i haven't watched season 3 yet and i'm considering not watching it.  i like the show, but it's frustrating to watch and try to keep track of everybody.  and i can see it coming now that they are going to catch up to the books and have to stop the show because this jerkoff can't seem to finish a book in under a decade.

dont worry. it gets easier to follow. you'll see why.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 17, 2014, 05:39:21 PM
I've watched each episode of season 1 at least 3 or 4 times, in part because I've turned a couple of friends on to the series that we've watched together. I don't think anybody can watch and understand most of it 1st time through.

Some people like football because they simply enjoy watching the athleticism and play making on the field or developing a rooting interest for their side. Others really get into the Xs and Os part with the schemes, match ups etc.

GOT is way toward the chess match end of the spectrum of that genre. I couldn't put up with the tedious overdescriptions of all the names of insignificant characters, their clothing and such in the first book so I said farg it after about 50 or 100 pages. Rewatching it was much more satisfying.

That said I did skip to book 3 which I went through during season 3 and found it to be a much better read. I agree with Smeags that S3 is easier to follow although it's my least favorite of the 3. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on January 31, 2014, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 17, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2014, 03:36:04 PM
i haven't watched season 3 yet and i'm considering not watching it.  i like the show, but it's frustrating to watch and try to keep track of everybody.  and i can see it coming now that they are going to catch up to the books and have to stop the show because this jerkoff can't seem to finish a book in under a decade.

dont worry. it gets easier to follow. you'll see why.

I just finished a GoT marathon, and I concur. With a LOL.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 02, 2014, 11:04:58 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on January 31, 2014, 08:03:32 PM
Quote from: smeags on January 17, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: SunMo on January 17, 2014, 03:36:04 PM
i haven't watched season 3 yet and i'm considering not watching it.  i like the show, but it's frustrating to watch and try to keep track of everybody.  and i can see it coming now that they are going to catch up to the books and have to stop the show because this jerkoff can't seem to finish a book in under a decade.

dont worry. it gets easier to follow. you'll see why.

I just finished a GoT marathon, and I concur. With a LOL.

lol...ugh.


So the DVD extras for Season 3 have come out...some of the histories and lore are going to be awesome.

QuoteHistories & Lore (Disc 5, HD): The third season's animated "Histories & Lore" videos — specifically those pertaining to Westeros' history and mythology — cover everything from the Battle of Qohor to the Vale. Segments include:

Old Ghis & Slaver's Bay (Jorah Mormont )
House Reed (Meera Reed)
House Bolton (Roose Bolton)
House Frey (Catelyn Stark)
House Tully (The Blackfish)
The Lord of Light (Thoros of Myr)
Wargs and the Sight (Bran Stark)
The Red Keep (King Joffrey)
Robert's Rebellion (Petyr Baelish and Lord Varys)
The North (Jon Snow)
The Reach (Margaery Tyrell)
The Riverlands (The Blackfish)
The Stormlands (Brienne of Tarth)
The Westerlands (Tywin Lannister)
The Vale (Petyr Baelish)

Really can't wait to hear the House Reed and House Bolton ones. Also, I said this like 10 posts ago but I hope the Blackfish shows up again in this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on February 08, 2014, 12:41:28 AM
Actually Westeros and everything north of the Wall get swallowed up in a cataclysmic earthquake so Blackfish, like everyone else on the continent, dies.
Ooops, was that a spoiler?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 09, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
the promo before true detective was a pretty good look-in to season 4.  obviously if you want to go in completely blind don't watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5iS3tULXMQ
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 10, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
Yeah I had about 30 seconds to fap after watching that before Walking Dead started.

This season looks like it's going to be awesome. And Jaime looks like he's gonna go from my most hated character, to someone I liked last season, to becoming one of my favorite characters this season.

[spoiler](http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a1b694adc62524587f6e2de17754d89/tumblr_n0rj290cQS1qfh27qo1_400.gif)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 25, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
released little promo trailers/pics from stark/targ/lannister today:

http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/-game-of-thrones--first-look--come-fly-with-daenerys-and-her-dragon-200417687.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/25/game-of-thrones-exclusive-season-4-stark-family-posters-and-teaser-reveal

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/02/25/game-of-thrones-season-4-posters/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on March 03, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
So I burned through season 3 in about a week and of course it was great.  however, i thought the finale was terrible.  i realize that they had their "holy shtein" moment the episode before, but literally nothing happened in the finale except for setup of the next season, which was annoying.  otherwise looking forward to s4
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on March 03, 2014, 10:03:21 AM
I'm just finishing the third book now, which runs for about 400 pages after the Red Wedding, and hahahaha holy farg.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 03, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
So I burned through season 3 in about a week and of course it was great.  however, i thought the finale was terrible.  i realize that they had their "holy shtein" moment the episode before, but literally nothing happened in the finale except for setup of the next season, which was annoying.  otherwise looking forward to s4

The first few minutes that were right in the aftermath of the Red Wedding were just as tough to watch as the Wedding itself, IMO...but yeah most everything else was character reactions to it/setting up for the next season.

Rusty's reaction to the book seems to be what all the other book readers are saying...that this upcoming season is going to be even more "Holy shtein" than season 3.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 03, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
Quote from: SunMo on March 03, 2014, 08:57:18 AM
So I burned through season 3 in about a week and of course it was great.  however, i thought the finale was terrible.  i realize that they had their "holy shtein" moment the episode before, but literally nothing happened in the finale except for setup of the next season, which was annoying.  otherwise looking forward to s4

They've put a lot of their eggs in the episode 9 basket the last two years.  They've made a point this year to say the surprises and bigger moments will be more evenly spread as opposed to the slow build/semi climax around episode 4 (Dany Dracarys this year)/build again/episode 9 climax/denouement.  They've stated their intent to get things going quickly this year and spread things out a bit more which I'm assuming means episode 10 as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on March 03, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
Thinking back, you're right about the penultimate episode being the one with all the heavy shtein.  The books run together a bit in my mind but I thought I remember Joffrey's wedding being right after the red wedding so I was expecting to see that in episode 10.

HBO has to be starting to shtein their pants that he hasn't gotten a new book out yet.  They are going to catch up to him eventually
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on March 03, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
Meh...he's so farging lost himself that they could just make shtein up as they go and no one would know the difference.  That's what he's (not) doing anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 03, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
He already gave the show permission to go ahead of the books if need be, and told the creators how he plans on ending it.

Even though I'm a show first-read after guy, I'd still hate to see that happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 01, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 01, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
LMAO, especially at the Sean Bean part :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: TexasEagle on April 02, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 01, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaD8rouJn0

:-D :-D

That was phenomenal. "Imp Slap!"

I don't know what they're going to do next season because the books really start to slow down. Feast for Crows was almost nothing but filler, and SOOOO farging boring to read. But they're already strayed so far from the books in Season 3 that it might not even matter.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 03, 2014, 04:33:56 PM
time to order hbo again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 03, 2014, 05:24:45 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 03, 2014, 04:33:56 PM
time to order hbo again.

haha...we're doing the same.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 03, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
Watching that trailer reminds me how I've always thought the show doesn't have enough diversity. Pretty much all the boobs are that same b-c cup.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 03, 2014, 08:25:39 PM
hahah...I'm pretty sure Ros was rocking a D cup, but she dead now
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on April 03, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
Oh, spoiler alert. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 03, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
http://www.metacritic.com/tv/game-of-thrones/season-4

Highest reviewed season so far.  Greenwald's review on grantland was pretty good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 03, 2014, 11:56:19 PM
Quote from: Yeti on April 03, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
Oh, spoiler alert. 
get up to speed, man. you ...got 1 day
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 04, 2014, 08:03:48 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 03, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
Oh, spoiler alert. 
get up to speed, man. you got 3 days

spoiler here though - thumbs up or down on the r+l=j mentioned at the end of the video, for those who have gotten that much into it.

:yay
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
up

makes sense to me.  only Howland Reed knows for sure, right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 04, 2014, 05:03:00 PM
Yes, only Howland as far as I can tell, but who knows before then? Not sure how much you've read but I saw a contradictory story in early DWD. I'll still go thumbs up though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 04, 2014, 05:55:01 PM
I haven't read ahead, but I really hope Howland Reed comes into the story in Book 6, if he hasn't appeared yet. He seems like he's going to be vitally important to the overall story...especially if there's to be any redemption for House Stark.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 04, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
I've read them all, but I wouldn't claim to know them very well.


It seems possible to me that Bran could somehow know it,  or learn of it, as well.  I mean, he could mind meld with Howland by now, right?

Also, Assuming Jon is dead, what's it matter anyway?  He leaves no progeny.  And if he's not dead, then farg this guy for constantly pulling that trick.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 05, 2014, 01:19:37 AM
Been watching some of the marathon...the scenes with Tywin and Arya in Season 2 are still really damn good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 05, 2014, 02:27:08 AM
Yep Charles Dance is awesome.  Tywin is a great character -- one that is improved on screen IMO because of the strong portrayal. 

Season 2 reminds me how tedious Dany's story was then and how entitled she was, screaming all season about her dragons.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 05, 2014, 09:59:25 AM
haha yeah, I wasn't a big fan of her story in season 2.....WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 05, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 04, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
I've read them all, but I wouldn't claim to know them very well.


It seems possible to me that Bran could somehow know it,  or learn of it, as well.  I mean, he could mind meld with Howland by now, right?

Also, Assuming Jon is dead, what's it matter anyway?  He leaves no progeny.  And if he's not dead, then farg this guy for constantly pulling that trick.


[spoiler]no chance he's dead -- Mel was right there when he 'died.'  It's my biggest complaint about GRRM and why I hope Stoneheart doesn't make an appearance in the show (though I think she's going to).  He became too reliant on cliffhangers (but not good ones) in the last two books.  Things like the ending of Brienne's chapters in AFFC, Jon's in ADWD etc are cheap narrative devices.  I have faith in the show to handle things better than that.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 06, 2014, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 05, 2014, 02:27:08 AM
Yep Charles Dance is awesome.  Tywin is a great character -- one that is improved on screen IMO because of the strong portrayal. 

it is known
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 06, 2014, 03:09:46 PM
I talked with a friend yesterday whose daughter just got into some exclusive graduate program for writing. she did an undergraduate thesis on something from game of thrones, he is  going to send me a copy. Looking forward to reading it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 06, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
What school is accepting papers for undergrad credits on Game of Thrones? 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 06, 2014, 05:51:34 PM
Yeah sign me up for that school, writing papers would be a breeze.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on April 07, 2014, 12:07:49 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 06, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
What school is accepting papers for undergrad credits on Game of Thrones? 

http://lolmythesis.com/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 07, 2014, 01:42:41 AM
thought that was a pretty good catch up episode as a premiere (though I may be biased in liking any episode more that's missing Theon & Bran while favoring King's Landing).  I thought the dude cast as Oberyn knocked out his intro scene.  Dany's story continues to be less compelling than the other major ones, though I know some people like hers the best. 

Also minor fun note -- the Duncan the Tall character that Joffrey referenced in the White Book is who the Dunk and Egg short stories written by GRRM are about.  He's not in the main books but it was a nice little easter egg.  The other dude referenced, Arthur Dayne/"the sword of the morning" is actually a pretty significant character in terms of the backstory in the books (Jaime idolizes him) but they've mostly folded his character into Barristan Selmy in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 07, 2014, 03:27:12 AM
I think that egg is gone. didn't like the new Daario so much, especially with that British accent.  curious about the symbology of the blue rose being called a "dusk" rose. looks like they cut the entire Brienne/pod line from the books out. nice little touch added with Drogon snapping at Dany to make the point.I think it's the first time we've seen Arya smile in many episodes, getting needle and a new horse.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 07, 2014, 03:32:31 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 06, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
What school is accepting papers for undergrad credits on Game of Thrones? 
Florida, I believe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Oberyn was badass. Really gonna like that character.

Pretty sad that they melted down Ice. Adding insult to Stark injury.

Arthur Dayne is one of the Kingsguard that Ned and his group killed at the Tower Of Joy. Was pretty cool hearing his name mentioned. Unfortunately i haven't been able to find the Dunk and Egg tales anywhere. Wish they would print them somewhere.

Did not know if they'd bring back Janos Slynt after Tyrion sent him to the Wall, I'm glad they did. farg that guy. Hope he gets farged up by some Wildlings or White Walkers.

Liked seeing Jaime and Brienne again, even if it was only for a short scene. "You have the hair...not the looks" :-D

Didn't expect to see the Ser Dontos story line come around, since I'm pretty sure that started in book 2 and they didn't touch on it once in Season 2 or 3 after Sansa saved him. Wonder how that's gonna go..
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2014, 12:17:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fntVrAG.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 07, 2014, 01:17:02 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/08/thumbnail/ny9uhu7a.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 07, 2014, 01:30:15 PM
Did anyone else agree with the choice of prostitute they selected? Including the boy?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
That boy was the same dude that banged out Loras in Season 3 to find out for Littlefinger what the Tyrell's were planning on doing with Sansa.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 07, 2014, 02:07:07 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
That boy was the same dude that banged out Loras in Season 3 to find out for Littlefinger what the Tyrell's were planning on doing with Sansa.

That wasn't a no.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: TexasEagle on April 07, 2014, 04:15:09 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Pretty sad that they melted down Ice. Adding insult to Stark injury.

Not really a spoiler but it's a vital part of the story later on.

Quote from: Munson on April 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Unfortunately i haven't been able to find the Dunk and Egg tales anywhere. Wish they would print them somewhere.

Missed the part I meant to quote... there's two Graphic novels that tell the tale of Dunk & Egg. Nothing in regular print that I can recall. You can find them on Amazon for cheap (like $15.00 each) in hard cover. If you really like his books and you're not a "comics are for kids" type they're worth the buy. Highly recommend them - at least the first one which was really a good read; The second on is kind of "Meh" but it fills in some additional background. The name would probably help. It's called "The Hedge Knight"... I think it was adapted from a Short Story compilation book several years back but I didn't read it so can't say with certainty it's the same character or not.

The graphic novel adaptions of the main books are good too but they're taking forever to come out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 07, 2014, 04:35:29 PM
Show had a pretty massive viewership jump from 5.5 million last season finale to 6.6 last night.  Last season opened with 4.4.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/07/game-of-thrones-premiere-ratings-4/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 07, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
Just got done watching the premier. Excellent set.up for the upcoming season.



Spoiler alert.


People will die
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2014, 02:10:05 AM
these guys are non-book readers and awesome if you have the interest & time to kill.  no spoilers for those of you who haven't read the books other than the fact that they speculate about what is seen in trailers (but I'm pretty sure most everyone watches the trailers and it's only speculation).

the videos are long but good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGENknBibZI
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 08, 2014, 09:52:01 AM
i read part of the summaries of the 3rd & 4th books so i have an idea of whats coming this season. even with that my reaction will be shock to actually see it on tv.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 08, 2014, 09:57:40 AM
i feel like i read book 4 but i honestly can't remember.  i know i started one and became burned out after reading the first 3 or 4 in blazing fashion.  maybe book 4 is the one i started and never finished.  where did you find the summaries?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 08, 2014, 10:25:57 AM
a song of fire and ice wiki.

so its probably all wrong.  :paranoid

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: TexasEagle on April 08, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Quote from: SunMo on April 08, 2014, 09:57:40 AM
i feel like i read book 4 but i honestly can't remember.  i know i started one and became burned out after reading the first 3 or 4 in blazing fashion.  maybe book 4 is the one i started and never finished.  where did you find the summaries?

That's what I was saying before. Book 4 (Feast for Crows) is a CHORE to read. So farging boring. I don't know how it'll translate to TV, even as an adaption. (minor spoiler I guess:) [spoiler]shtein, most of the main characters (that haven't been killed yet) are barely in the book.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 08, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
from what i read books 4 & 5 happen simultaneously but at different locations.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: TexasEagle on April 08, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
Yeah, they just stuck most of the minor/less popular/less interesting characters in book 4 then book 5 took another 3 years to come out after that. It was the most farging retarded way to do it. They released a filler book that most people didn't like and followed it up with another filler book that was almost as unpopular. Who knows when book 6 will ever be released. He must type a word a day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 08, 2014, 03:08:06 PM
A slight alteration to last page's gif...

(http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/got-lulz-regards.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2014, 03:16:23 PM
renewed today for seasons 5 & seasons 6
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 08, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 08, 2014, 10:25:57 AM
a song of fire and ice wiki.

so its probably all wrong.  :paranoid



i read the 4th book recap on there.... even the recap was boring.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
they're obviously going to combine the 4th & 5th book since they run concurrently (that's not a spoiler).  The problem is there's maybe one season worth of material there in 3000 pages.  The biggest problem with them is GRRM got out of control with world building -- too many inconsequential characters with inconsequential chapters. 

Basically, the creators are going to need to take a cleaver to those books and make some creative decisions to spice the material up.  The rest of this season should be awesome, and there a lot of interesting things in play by the end of ADWD, but season 5 of the show is going to be what really tests the talent of Benioff & Weiss because they're going to need to make difficult choices and go off the path a little to keep the quality of the show at the level it's reached (and I think, is likely to exceed this season).  We'll see how they do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 08, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: SunMo on April 08, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 08, 2014, 10:25:57 AM
a song of fire and ice wiki.

so its probably all wrong.  :paranoid



i read the 4th book recap on there.... even the recap was boring.

most of the good stuff is in book 3 no doubt.

i havent read a lot of how the series is going to play out. are they putting a five year cap on this thing ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 08, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2014, 03:28:14 PM
they're obviously going to combine the 4th & 5th book since they run concurrently (that's not a spoiler).  The problem is there's maybe one season worth of material there in 3000 pages.  The biggest problem with them is GRRM got out of control with world building -- too many inconsequential characters with inconsequential chapters. 

Basically, the creators are going to need to take a cleaver to those books and make some creative decisions to spice the material up.  The rest of this season should be awesome, and there a lot of interesting things in play by the end of ADWD, but season 5 of the show is going to be what really tests the talent of Benioff & Weiss because they're going to need to make difficult choices and go off the path a little to keep the quality of the show at the level it's reached (and I think, is likely to exceed this season).  We'll see how they do.

My thinking is that book 4/5 will bleed into the end of this season, and then next season is going to be the rest of books 4 and 5 combined.

Season 6 will, IMO, be the first half of book 6 if it's out....Season 7 will be the last half of book 6/first half of book 7...and the 8th and final season will finish out book 7.

That's how it should go down, but GRRM isn't going to have the 7th book out by the time we get to season 7.

I'd pay a great deal of my zesty low income to see them do one season on either 1. Robert's Rebellion or 2. 10 episodes based on various histories and lores of Westeros, ie one episode about the Kingswood Brotherhood, one about the circumstances surrounding the Knight of the Laughing Tree, etc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 08, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
@smeags -- it seems like it will be 7 or 8 seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 08, 2014, 03:58:50 PM
wow. thats great if they can figure out what to do with books 4 & 5. iam assuming season 4 will end with book 3 ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 08, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/R1uOWlY.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: TexasEagle on April 08, 2014, 05:33:36 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 08, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
I'd pay a great deal of my zesty low income to see them do one season on either 1. Robert's Rebellion or 2. 10 episodes based on various histories and lores of Westeros, ie one episode about the Kingswood Brotherhood, one about the circumstances surrounding the Knight of the Laughing Tree, etc.

I'd be all in for this. The great thing about the SOIAF is, if they wanted to, they could string together stories and tales for years and not run out of material.

And I'm not quoting that picture but WTF? Someone has way too much time on their hands. That's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 08, 2014, 07:25:38 PM
We'll need more girls...girls, yes?

(http://i.imgur.com/NGNLxxg.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 08, 2014, 08:46:16 PM
They did the same thing with Cersei saying yes as Jamie answered no when that narc girl knocked on the door to tell about Shae and Tyrion. I kind of like that the show doesn't always follow the books in that you don't necessarily know what will happen.

One thing that made me want to puke with the new episode was using that ultra cheesy horror film technique when Dontos was "chasing" Sansa, replete with the faux suspenseful music and Dontos' hand suddenly grabbing Sansa's shoulder- like he'd really sneak up on her like that. What's next, a hockey mask? That and the return of Jamie's idiotic full length wild west leather coat with the fringes.

Other than that though, pretty good start for S4.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 13, 2014, 10:20:27 PM
Ummm.....farg yes?

Been waiting 3.2 seasons to see that shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 13, 2014, 11:33:44 PM
Adios Joff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 14, 2014, 01:01:24 AM
Very good episode. Didn't know the wedding would happen so fast, seemed a little awkward that it came up so quick in the show. So Jamie tells Loras he won't marry Cersie. Looked like that would suit Oberyn just fine.

Btw, anybody have an all time favorite GOT line or lines? Right now mine is: (Tyrion to Pod as he tells Pod to keep up drinking)

"It's not easy being drunk all the time. Everyone would do it if it were easy."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tSTdgyBqw
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 14, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
i dont know if i cheered more for jimmys walk off hr or seeing joff croak at the wedding.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 14, 2014, 09:43:46 AM
people on twitter were complaining he didn't suffer enough.  i can't think of a worst way to die
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 14, 2014, 10:32:13 AM
I wish he would have gotten Theon Greyjoy treatment but his death was still satisfying. They set the scene up well talking about Robb Starks death at thd wedding and how awful that must have been.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: smeags on April 14, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
i dont know if i cheered more for jimmys walk off hr or seeing joff croak at the wedding.

As soon as he fell to the ground and started choking, I screamed "Die!!"....I felt very ironically like Joffery cheering that way haha.

Underrated part of this episode was Bran's....all those visions he had from the Heart Tree were cool....Seems like he has a pretty damn good ability with the warging and greensight, didn't think he'd be able to warg the eyes of the trees like that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 14, 2014, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 14, 2014, 11:56:34 AM


Underrated part of this episode was Bran's....all those visions he had from the Heart Tree were cool....Seems like he has a pretty damn good ability with the warging and greensight, didn't think he'd be able to warg the eyes of the trees like that.

Yeah, I jerked off to that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on April 14, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 13, 2014, 11:33:44 PM
Adios Joff.

My only regret was that his demise wasn't at the point of Tyrion's blade.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 14, 2014, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on April 14, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 13, 2014, 11:33:44 PM
Adios Joff.

My only regret was that his demise wasn't at the point of Tyrion's blade.

I think the way they handled it was cool.  GoT doesn't do subtle very often and I think the way that it was filmed leads to an interesting murder mystery for those who don't want to spoil themselves. 

One note that I'm curious if they'll address in the show -- this isn't a spoiler for events to come but I'll tag it just in case [spoiler]it was a pretty big deal in the books who sent the murderer/dagger to kill Bran in season 1 and the revelation that it was Joffrey.  I wonder if that will ever get brought up again or if the show will just let people continue to think it was jaime/cersei[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 14, 2014, 09:03:21 PM
So, who done it? - Means, motive , opportunity. Will be tough to com up with motive however.[/sarc] Any ideas without spoilers? Tyrion seems unlikely, at least as far as he probably had no idea what was coming in terms of Joff humiliating him and being pressed into cup bearer service, which happened while everyone watched.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 14, 2014, 09:08:42 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 14, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
Quote from: smeags on April 14, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
i dont know if i cheered more for jimmys walk off hr or seeing joff croak at the wedding.

As soon as he fell to the ground and started choking, I screamed "Die!!"....I felt very ironically like Joffery cheering that way haha.

Underrated part of this episode was Bran's....all those visions he had from the Heart Tree were cool....Seems like he has a pretty damn good ability with the warging and greensight, didn't think he'd be able to warg the eyes of the trees like that.
Yeah, once he was able to get into Hodor's head he showed the sky's the limit with what he could do,  maybe beyond what any other people can.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2014, 12:18:16 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 14, 2014, 09:03:21 PM
So, who done it? - Means, motive , opportunity. Will be tough to com up with motive however.[/sarc] Any ideas without spoilers? Tyrion seems unlikely, at least as far as he probably had no idea what was coming in terms of Joff humiliating him and being pressed into cup bearer service, which happened while everyone watched.

My unspoiled theories:

Tyrion-While he is one of two people that had direct access to the cup on screen, I don't think it was him. You didn't see anything on screen that would indicate he poisoned it.

Sansa-See above. She touched the cup but everything we saw on screen indicated she didn't tamper with the cup.

The Tyrells-They would seem to be the biggest suspects...but at the same time, I don't think they would have done it so early. I have a feeling that the wedding doesn't officially count since the marriage wasn't consummated(and Margery says in the preview for next week I would have been the queen)...so that's the only reason why I don't think it was them. They're still extremely high on the list of suspects though.

Other-In the preview for next week, Tyrion says "whoever killed the King also wanted my head"...so whoever it was would benefit from Tyrion being out of hte picture....which leads me to Littlefinger. He wanted Sansa for access to the North. He's my primary suspect. I also think Dontos very obviously had something to do with it, since as soon as it happened, he was there in Sansa's ear telling her she had to GTFO. So who was he working for? Because he's definitely not the mastermind. My money is on Littlefinger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 15, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
Something that's worth noting: Queen =/= Queen Regent.  Westeros favors a male hierarchy.  Remember, when Robert died, Cersei didn't become Queen.  The throne passed to Joffrey, and Cersei transitioned to "Queen Regent."  So, with Joffrey's death, in no situation is Margaery the Queen, because the throne passes to Tommen, as it went to Joffrey before him.  Marg may well have gained the Queen Regent title though, regardless of consummation (though I'm sure that's of little solace to her since she wanted to be "the queen"). 


Also, not a spoiler, but just interesting ways in which the paths diverge sometimes in the books and show: Brienne and Jaime arrive in KL after Joff is whacked, not before.  So the rest of the scenes with them this season were invented for the show (Jaime never interacted with Joffrey).  His thoughts on Joffrey's death were funny in the book (not a spoiler but just to be safe): [spoiler]upon wondering why he doesn't feel much about his death: "Because Joff was no more to me than a squirt of seed in Cersei's funhole, and because he deserved to die."[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 15, 2014, 11:42:49 AM
shteins about.to get real.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 15, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
So happy that Punk is dead.  If i look at it from what we saw in the episode and having not read any books or spoilers, my suspects are Lady Tryell(wants land and coin and not to see Margerie subjected to Joffrey), Cersei(wants to keep power). 

Cersei could certainly be cunning enough to kill off her son who's disobeying her, and it opens up a way out from marrying the rainbow flag knight. 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2014, 11:51:33 AM
No way Cersei did it, she might be the only one in the country who cares that he died. If any of the Lannisters did it, my money would be on Tywin. He's the defacto-king anyway, basically running the country...Joffery was becoming a terrible king and he could see it...so he kills Joffery, has the more easily controlled Tommen ascend to the throne, and also denies the Tyrell's of any real power.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 15, 2014, 12:24:57 PM
GOT has entered Wire territory

It has been said
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 15, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
My theory is the pie was poisoned not the wine. They zoom in on the pie then he starts choking and drinks the wine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2014, 01:03:02 PM
Yeah I'm not sure if it was the pie or the wine yet...show seemed to try to make it intentionally hard to figure out where exactly the poison was.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 15, 2014, 01:18:34 PM
BTW -- this is only if you're big into GoT/want theories etc, but these are the best reviewers for my money.  They're completely unspoiled & they do episode breakdowns and theories going forward.  The videos are long and not for everyone, but if you get bored at some point and want to listen about GoT from an entirely unspoiled perspective, I recommend it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGgLU68HIM
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 15, 2014, 01:20:09 PM
Its the bird flu from bird poo

Seriously though, 2 hours of video to talk about a 1 hour episode.  Holy nerd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 15, 2014, 01:31:26 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on April 15, 2014, 01:20:09 PM
Its the bird flu from bird poo

Seriously though, 2 hours of video to talk about a 1 hour episode.  Holy nerd.

Most of them are less than an hour, but yeah, like I said, not for everyone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on April 15, 2014, 09:17:11 PM
There was an intentional cut away shot showing dead doves inside the pie, suggesting that the poison was in there.

I'm thinking it's the visitng prince who told Tyrion that he was owed a life. But I could also see Margaery Tyrell (or her mother) being in on it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2014, 09:24:14 PM
I think the dead bird was probably the result of Joffery's valyrian steel blade...but I suppose poison could have been the culprit.

I didn't mention Oberyn in my post, but yeah he seems angry enough to do it...but I also think he would be way more open about killing someone, wouldn't go the poison route. Probably woulda just brought his spear to the wedding and challenged Joffery to trial by combat right there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2014, 11:12:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AGAPXEI.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 16, 2014, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: hbionic on April 14, 2014, 01:09:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 14, 2014, 11:56:34 AM


Underrated part of this episode was Bran's....all those visions he had from the Heart Tree were cool....Seems like he has a pretty damn good ability with the warging and greensight, didn't think he'd be able to warg the eyes of the trees like that.

Yeah, I jerked off to that.

pics ?  :paranoid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 01:32:19 PM
(http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BlRHS0sIAAAp1tD.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
A lotttt of people are saying they think it's Cersei, and using the fact that she sent Pycelle away as evidence...but I just don't see any way she would kill one of her kids (unless it's a situation like they're about to be raped and killed by Stannis)...her children are the one thing she seems to care about more than anything, including her power.

The only reason why I think she sent him away and was so happy about it is because she enjoyed the power trip of doing it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:18:08 PM
The first question becomes who has knowledge and access to poisons as well as an invitation the the wedding?

Makes me wonder if that bit with Cersie and Pycelle was thrown in just to thicken the plot a bit, adding Pycelle as a possible (though I think unlikely) suspect. Maesters are some of the few who have that knowledge and access  (others are faceless men as seen with the posion dart of Jaqen H'Gar, and whoever presumably set up the wine dealer giving the poisoned cask to Dany, a well as and the tears of lys used to kill John Arryn, possibly supplied to his squire who the Mountain then killed in the Hand's Tourney).

The maester who dropped a pellet of poison in his wine to kill Melisandra died a somewhat similar death suggesting it was the same or similar poison which Pycelle as a grand maester would have probably known about if the Dragonstone maester did (though Varys was also familiar with the tear of lys - Pycelle while talking with Ned said poison was a weapon of women and cravens, stating Varys was a craven).

In a who done it story multiple suspects and uncertainty are needed, and a dash of chaos and high drama doesn't hurt.

Prince Oberyn aka The Red Viper would also be a prime suspect considering his announcement to Tyrion that he was there for revenge against the Lannisters though the way he had his finger in his mouth while looking at Loras (a nicely done dryly funny scene when Loras stumbles back into Jamie after he and Oberyn were making eyes at each other), doesn't suggest he was just handling poison.

If it was the same poison used on Melisandra it seems like it should work within just a minute or two and it looked like only Tyrion and Margaery were that close to Joffrey in that time frame (though Sansa did briefly handle the wine cup). On the other hand, Melisandra could have accelerated the effect on the maester if she was also able to somehow withstand the poison herself, or maybe it acted more quickly on an older man. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: SD on April 15, 2014, 12:24:57 PM
GOT has entered Wire territory

It has been said
I don't know if anyone here would disagree, but try the other thread.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)

I thought you had said you read the books?

It's known in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)

I thought you had said you read the books?

It's known in the books.

My girl who has read the books said it was never actually 'revealed', but from what others are telling me, there's a certain expose in there where they more or less lay out who did it and why, just done in GOT fashion where they kind of speak in abstract to avoid directly accusing someone of doing something (like Varys calling Lancel Lannister a "dutiful boy" to make sure Robert got a shteinton of the strong wine while he was hunting)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)

I thought you had said you read the books?

It's known in the books.
I didn't read the first 2 except maybe the first 100 pages of GOT. I also didn't read all of AFFC - if it got too boring or tedious I skipped a bit. If it was in ASOS I probably just missed it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 16, 2014, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 03:49:01 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)

I thought you had said you read the books?

It's known in the books.

My girl who has read the books said it was never actually 'revealed', but from what others are telling me, there's a certain expose in there where they more or less lay out who did it and why, just done in GOT fashion where they kind of speak in abstract to avoid directly accusing someone of doing something (like Varys calling Lancel Lannister a "dutiful boy" to make sure Robert got a shteinton of the strong wine while he was hunting)

The who is made clear in the books.  The how required a little piecing together but is still there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 16, 2014, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:44:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on April 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
i almost wish i didnt know who did it so i could be in suspense like you guys.
I'm not sure but from what I've seen elsewhere I had the impression that it hasn't yet been definitely written who did it, just clues that seem to add up to a particular conclusion, but nothing you could count on. Is this true? (hope that doesn't quality as a spoiler to anyone)

well i am going on the assupmtion that its by the book and from what i saw that's the case.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 04:29:29 PM
I either missed or skipped the part. Sometimes he puts me to sleep. In my opinion Martin is a better storyteller than he is a writer. I think Feast for Crows could have been about 600 pages and needed a better editor. I don't need to know the color and fabric of the doublet that each character is wearing. I'm in the early part of Dance with Dragons now, and it seems like in the North scenes he's telling us how cold it is in every other sentence. We get it George, it's very cold up there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2014, 05:23:23 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 03:48:20 PM
Quote from: SD on April 15, 2014, 12:24:57 PM
GOT has entered Wire territory

It has been said
I don't know if anyone here would disagree, but try the other thread.

I actually took it as proof that igy isn't secretly reading the thread.  Not sure he'd have been able to keep his mouth shut over that one.  Fortunately with its audience growth there don't seem to be too many people anymore who just dismiss it as being a dumb fantasy show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2014, 05:48:11 PM
lol, that's funny. I actually thought of posting that in the wire thread but figured it wasn't my place. So, this is the new no hippos? I'm not really into the fantasy genre but GOT has created a new type of niche for itself in good part because of its excellent production.

I was a little surprised to see the rearrangement with the show putting Ramsey's early Dance with Dragons chapters into this season's show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 16, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Anyone who thinks GOT is a nerdy fantasy show has a shallow perspective on life. It's as intricate, detailed, well written, well acted show as has ever been on television. Has there ever been a character like Joffrey who brought so much negative emotion to viewers? The actor who played him did an incredible job.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
^^^Yup. The show's setting doesn't take away from any of that stuff. GOT will be mentioned with the GOATs when it's all said and done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on April 16, 2014, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: SD on April 16, 2014, 10:48:11 PM
Anyone who thinks GOT is a nerdy fantasy show has a shallow perspective on life. It's as intricate, detailed, well written, well acted show as has ever been on television. Has there ever been a character like Joffrey who brought so much negative emotion to viewers? The actor who played him did an incredible job.

Look at this fargin' nerd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 17, 2014, 09:11:36 AM
flea bottom is basically mid evil times baltimore so im surprised igy isn't into this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 19, 2014, 03:53:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6KLzjXAV3s
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
Jaime doesn't rape Cersei in the books.  Nor does he murder his cousin while in prison.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2014, 10:54:31 PM
Idk if I'd call it rape...Cersi seemed conflicted, but...she was kissing him back. Though no means no. Definitely a really weird scene.

Loved the Oberyn/Tywin scene...really hope they're not gonna be on friendly terms from here on out, I like having a badass in the capitol who isn't afraid of Tywin.

Dany was a bad ass this episode. shtein's looking dire at the Wall...Davos making moves, looks like he's gonna appeal to the Iron Bank to back Stannis over the Lannisters and the debts they owe.


Littlefinger was my #1 suspect...so now we know he was involved. ANd the necklace was a fake. Coated with poison, so sansa touched the cup and joffery drank it? seems like it'd be too dangerous, would possibly kill Sansa too. They made it a point to show him break the jewel...was that just to show it was fake, or insinuate poison inside? We definitely didn't see Sansa slip the jewel into the cup, and someone would have noticed that. So, Littlefinger was 99% for sure involved in the poisoning...the how is still cloudy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 02:17:45 AM
Definitely came across as rape.  Fundamentally alters his character for the worse.  Never in a million years is that within his character.   Really bothered me to the point of not being able to enjoy the rest of the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 21, 2014, 02:53:57 AM
And even rape question aside - basically over his dead son?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
He doesn't give a farg about Joffrey because he thinks Joffrey is awful.  Also in the book it's just when he gets back and it's the first time he sees Cersei.  She's worried about the location of it but the actual sex is entirely consensual.   I don't get it and I think it's a drastic misstep on his supposed arc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 21, 2014, 03:31:29 AM
I'm not liking the new Daario either. His wink at Dany was Palinesque. Really missed Strong Belwas tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on April 21, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
I think Littlefinger smashing the necklace was just to show that it was glass, rather than gemstones. And to show that it was just a planned maneuver to gain the trust of Sansa.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 21, 2014, 09:36:28 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
He doesn't give a farg about Joffrey because he thinks Joffrey is awful.  Also in the book it's just when he gets back and it's the first time he sees Cersei.  She's worried about the location of it but the actual sex is entirely consensual.   I don't get it and I think it's a drastic misstep on his supposed arc.

Agreed completely. Also

http://www.avclub.com/article/rape-thrones-203499
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 01:29:14 PM
yeah the scene in the book is already weird/disturbing enough, I don't know that they needed to up that quotient. 

It's clear in the books that her issue is with where the sex is occurring, both by her comments before, and immediately after saying it was stupid to have sex there because they could've been caught.  It's also guided by her comments during.  Instead, they eliminate the during consensual comments & the post-comments explaining her issues relating to the place, not the act.  I don't get it and I'm irrationally angry about it probably because I think it severely limits the outlook of one of my favorite characters for absolutely no reason whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2014, 02:37:31 PM
I think they probably thought showing her kissing him back and repeatedly saying "its not right" would be enough to make it not seem so rapey
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 21, 2014, 08:32:05 PM
Or just read the well articulated and nuanced article that I posted. There is very little wiggle room to explain this kind of 'creative' scene change. Tying to explain it away is pointless.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
The worst(?) part is it wasn't even an attempted change.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/game_of_thrones_director_says_rape_scene_was_meant_to_be_consensual-2014-04

Awful. 

Got GRRM to speak too.

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/21/george-r-r-martin-responds-fans-concern-breaker-chains/

It's even worse that the director is trying to convey consensual sex.  If it was intended as rape but used for character developments later, I'd not like it but could see it and be interested in how it would further the characters.   Since it's supposed to be consensual though it won't be used at all and people will just think it's a rape scene. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 21, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
Yeah. If the director thought he was conveying a consensual act he has put his directing career into some serious jeopardy. Communicating rape versus not rape is an important and basic directorial skill.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
...Like I said, I think they were trying to do that, and thought that the small indicators they gave were enough....obviously, they weren't, since the scene came off extremely rapey.

This is far from the first on screen rape for this show though. There didn't seem to be a big uproar over the other ones, probably because we never heard the character actually say "no"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 21, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
Who cares, Cersei is batshtein crazy so I assumed she'd prefer being raped
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2014, 09:16:11 PM
There wasn't as big of an uproar because this was a rather large deviation and made to one of the most popular characters in the series.  Most were depicted as rape for a reason IMO.  This just seems like massively dropping the ball in a manner that seems wildly out of character (yes, even for someone who tried to murder a child).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 22, 2014, 09:06:31 AM
the scene was a little weird but not a big deal IMO.

best line of the episode -I'm going to eat your momma and your daddy.
now run to castle black and tell them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2014, 10:15:01 PM
Well I dunno that there are spoilers anymore since 90% of that was non-book material.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 27, 2014, 10:27:41 PM
Holy shtein at that episode. The White Walker stuff was so confusing and awesome at the same time. I didn't think we'd ever get that kind of insight into them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 27, 2014, 11:21:04 PM
Liked the episode and in particular the white walker piece. I wouldn't have had them pegged for any kind of collective 'character development' but it seems that they aren't your normal run of the mill must have brains mindless apocalyptic zombie type (though the wights probably are).

To me their last scene seemed to suggest that they have a defined and intelligent hierarchy and the ice slab seemed suggestive of an altar and a religious ceremony with a sacrifice, possibly to their god who empowers them.

It made me think back to the scene early in the series when the WW saw Sam hiding near the Fist. He was on a horse and raised his arm and screeched seeming to point and direct the wights onward. In light of tonight makes me wonder if he was the commander of sorts. shtein's gonna get real.

Btw - anybody get why that WW let Sam go - the scene was shot from Sam's pov and he appeared to look directly at Sam and moved on. Ironic especially sine Sam later killed one.

Also - can't believe we're half way through the season already, and another year til more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on April 28, 2014, 07:30:41 AM
Sam was carrying the dragon glass at that point, wasn't he?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2014, 09:28:12 AM
My guess is the White Walker looked at him and figured he wasn't a threat. They let that other guy go at the beginning of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 28, 2014, 10:09:53 AM
Sam was returning from the Fist iirc where they found the dragon glass so the idea about the knife is an interesting point (yes, of course pun intended). At the same time, it didn't deter the WW when he came for Gilly's baby, even when Sam was coming up behind him with it (though the baby would be more of a distraction and valued target).

As far as not seeing Sam as a threat and letting him go I suppose it is possible, but by killing humans is how they grow their wight armies. Lol maybe he saw Sam would be a fail as a wight recruit and moved on to Other things.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2014, 10:37:28 AM
I think he was going back to the fist, since the first thing that happened in Season 3 was the off-screen Battle of the Fist. But yeah he definitely already had the dragon glass at the time.

It seems to me like the White Walkers just DGAF and do what they want. They could have killed the deserter in the opening of the series and didn't, probably because they just enjoyed killing his buddies and scaring the shtein out of him.

I don't think it has to do with wanting more wights either, because they've been known to chop things up into little parts. Everybody that dies north of the Wall becomes a wight unless their body is burned, so they've probably got plenty of zombies.

The scene where the White Walker king dude was walking up towards the baby, and you can kind of see it walk up through the ice...that was one of Bran's visions when he warg'd the Heart Tree, so it came true. Another one of his visions was the dragon shadow over King's Landing...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 29, 2014, 01:45:15 AM
Spoiler theory:

Anyone else think it was the Sr. Lannister walking up to pick up the baby? We only saw the face through the ice and the baby's perspective.

Hmmm....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 29, 2014, 05:00:03 AM
Not sure what you mean by Sr Lannister? We did see the face in the next shot though. He was a WW, presumably their leader, but looked different and had horns on his head and more of a smooth, lighter and less striated face. Elsewhere all the white walkers look the same (I say this knowing here on CF I'll be accused of being a racist - oh wait, mn this is the GOT thread).

I counted 13 figures in the backround (of which he was the middle), which may be a significant number (eg. being an unlucky number; the 13 of Qarth, and in other references in the books). I also counted 10 of those large quartz like ice crystals protruding from he ground around the altar, not sure if that has symbolic significance.

Also wonder since we don't know where the WWs come from, if there could be some sort of connection between their eye color and the blue/purple eye color the Targaryens with the blood of the dragon had.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 01, 2014, 08:46:31 AM
great episode. farging hate that the seasons are so short.

to me it seems like everything is in cycles in this world. what we are seeing now has happened before and will happen again.

i took the assumption (as is the assumption all over the internet) that the ww that turned the baby is the night's king. a being merely mentioned in the bedtime story told to bran in the first season.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 04, 2014, 08:07:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYBAMxJecLI
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 04, 2014, 10:39:07 PM
So, this entire clusterfarg is the fault of plotting by Littlefinger and Lysa. Mother farger....Varys was right when he said Littlefinger is the most dangerous man in Westeros....and he really would burn it all down if he could be King of the ashes.

Ned never would have left Winterfell if it wasn't for that shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2014, 11:43:26 PM
I think people are wildly misinterpreting Cersei and being "sympathetic" this episode.  She went around to all of the judges and tried to play up to them to get them to vote to kill Tyrion IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 05, 2014, 01:22:37 AM
I think the Lysa reveal shows how cleverly the show and books set up the story and then deconstructed it. I think in the beginning of season 1 you're supposed to view it like you would almost any other fantasy series. You have clear good guys in the Starks, and clear antagonists in the Lannisters. They tell you in episode 1 how Cersei and Jaime killed Jon Arryn, they show you Jaime pushing Bran from the tower, Ned talks about how dishonorable Jaime is for killing Aerys in what is depicted as the biggest betrayal ever, and the Starks are depicted as the typical noble protagonist house which will undoubtedly right all wrongs.

Obviously as the story goes along that gets deconstructed but I think it's particularly interesting with the Lannisters. The Lannisters are FAR from blameless with the war, but all of the Lannister adults (save for Tyrion who is pretty much depicted as a good guy) are far more grey than they appear initially. They didn't kill Jon Arryn, Jaime killing Aerys was a noble act, etc. This doesn't absolve them from fault (Jaime pushing Bran especially), but if you go back and watch the series from the beginning with all of the information, they are far less to blame/far less evil than they initially seem since it's so heavily colored through Stark eyes. None of those three are good guys necessarily (each has pretty substantial faults), but I think it's a clever device to set them up as the big bad of the story, only to sort of strip that away (I'm ignoring Joffrey for this who was essentially pure evil), and then introduce either the real players (Littlefinger) or real evil (Ramsay etc). I just think the Lysa reveal is part of what makes the show so good and allows you to almost reassess things when you re-watch.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 06, 2014, 09:34:14 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 04, 2014, 10:39:07 PM
So, this entire clusterfarg is the fault of plotting by Littlefinger and Lysa. Mother farger....Varys was right when he said Littlefinger is the most dangerous man in Westeros....and he really would burn it all down if he could be King of the ashes.

Ned never would have left Winterfell if it wasn't for that shtein.

ding ding. it was hard not to let others in on that. there are a couple of other statements, visions/dreams that gave us a look ahead at the time and will make you think back when things come to fruition.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 06, 2014, 02:25:06 PM
I didn't really see...but what happened to Bran's dire wolf? Did it die? I thought it fell in a trap...not got killed.

If it's a spoiler, then just say telling me would be a spoiler. Thanks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
I think Bran made a comment that implied Summer was okay.  He didn't appear in the episode to my recollection but he said something like "lets go free summer."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 06, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
has anyone read the 5th book yet ? is it less painful to read than the 4th ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
I dislike the 4th less now going back through a few parts, but that's because I skip some of the chapters I don't want to read.  The 5th is better but still suffers from having some tangential storylines. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 06, 2014, 06:18:48 PM
I've read them all.

My feeling after four and five was basically that Martin has little idea where he's going, is making a lot of it up as he goes, needs an editor.  Dorne, though clearly of huge import to the greater story line of Westeros, get far too many words, and the Ironborn storyline is worse because it gets just as much attention but is of clearly far less significance.  But hey, maybe he'll change my mind if his heart doesn't sign off before the manuscripts are finished.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2014, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 06, 2014, 06:18:48 PM
I've read them all.

My feeling after four and five was basically that Martin has little idea where he's going, is making a lot of it up as he goes, needs an editor.  Dorne, though clearly of huge import to the greater story line of Westeros, get far too many words, and the Ironborn storyline is worse because it gets just as much attention but is of clearly far less significance.  But hey, maybe he'll change my mind if his heart doesn't sign off before the manuscripts are finished.

Spoilers below for 4th & 5th book.
[spoiler]I think he knows where he's going but he's had significant problems syncing timelines and stories, so he's had to introduce far too many inconsequential characters.  I think he realized based on his timeline that Dany's invasion was going to be an endgame play so he needed to kill time before that happened.  Likewise, Tyrion couldn't reach her quite yet because he needed to have material to fill an entire book.  Etc.  So, I think he's basically padded his story to get all the pieces in line.  I think he has a clear idea of where it's going in his head, but he's built so many characters and areas that getting to that point has become overwhelming to him.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 06, 2014, 09:26:02 PM
Yeah, like I said: he needs an editor.  He lacks the discipline required to keep an epic tale just small enough for the reader to actually embrace it.  Left to his own devices, Martin is prone to sprawling, sloppy, extraneous blather and I can understand why a lot of people resent him for it and even bail on the series altogether because of it.

I'm a glutton for punishment, so I read every word.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on May 06, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
He's too popular for a good editor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on May 06, 2014, 10:46:11 PM
Readins fer losers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 07, 2014, 10:13:05 PM
Quote from: General_Failure on May 06, 2014, 10:23:04 PM
He's too popular for a good editor.
probably true. My guess is by now he has full editorial control over his work.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 11, 2014, 10:50:47 PM
Awesome episode. Dinklage probably just won himself another Emmy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2014, 12:42:52 AM
That was solid.  I took Varys' "I remember everything" line to be a quasi-apology to Tyrion.  That he wishes he could forget when he has to go against what he wants/believes in, but he can't (and yet, as we saw with Ned, Varys isn't willing to stick his own neck out on the line often).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 12, 2014, 12:51:59 AM
Yeah, as recently as last season Varys was trying to get rid of shae so Tyrion wouldn't get himself in trouble.

I hope they get to interact again this season. Was really hoping Tyrion would be able to call his own witnesses and he'd call Varys and question him himself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 12, 2014, 02:05:48 AM
***Spoiler if you haven't watched yet***


I haven't read the books, but the whole Theon rescue mission was anti-climactic. This was one of the things I was looking forward to most this season. It was a let down but I understand that Theon is going to be a bigger piece later on on account of what he is going to be set out to do.

Good episode because it felt like it ended too quickly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2014, 02:17:55 AM
Quote from: hbionic on May 12, 2014, 02:05:48 AM
***Spoiler if you haven't watched yet***


I haven't read the books, but the whole Theon rescue mission was anti-climactic. This was one of the things I was looking forward to most this season. It was a let down but I understand that Theon is going to be a bigger piece later on on account of what he is going to be set out to do.

Good episode because it felt like it ended too quickly.

Not a spoiler for things to come, only to explain the book "version" if you want it

[spoiler]Yara never goes to the Dreadfort, so that was an entire creation by the show.  I think it was to show really how far gone Theon is mentally.  I'm sure it'll have an impact on Yara's character as well, but that was the main point of it I think.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 12, 2014, 09:07:56 AM
I'm beyond bored with the Theon/Reek stuff. WHO CARES.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2014, 09:19:13 AM
great episode. the theon stuff is a bit boring because they arent putting much time into it but still good that they havent wiped it out completely for the series.

the part about varys that was big to me was that he did not deny what he said to tyrion about saving the city.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 13, 2014, 12:40:30 AM
I agree with Eaglez_Legendz about Varys. It's almost like a hey, "I was forced to do this, not out of my own volition, and you know this".

Varys, and Tyrion are probably my two favorite characters other than the recurring "Whore's asses" and random boy-butt that comes out every now and then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 12:57:53 AM
The off topic thread on the main Eagles site that you sometimes post in Munson is a landmine of spoilers, as well as things that people are getting wildly wrong about from the text after claiming to have read the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 01:01:58 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 12, 2014, 09:07:56 AM
I'm beyond bored with the Theon/Reek stuff. WHO CARES.

This is the whole problem with the way they did it in the show (since Theon is awol through the third book).

I'm all for most of the show changes (most, not all), and generally think the people at westeros.org are way too crazy about their fanatical devotion to the source material, but I think the guy who runs the site was right about this.  They could have spared all of that terribleness last season of him getting tortured, and the beginning of this season.  I think it would have had more power if Balon/Yara received the note, she goes to rescue him, shows up and she, and the viewer, realize at the same time just how farged up Theon has become.

The only point in favor of how they decided to do the adaptation in the show is that it spends a lot of time building up Ramsay's character (whether that is worthwhile or not is up to you).  I think that was the main reason for doing it that way as opposed to the way I suggested.  You get the viewer familiar with Ramsay's horribleness the way they did it in a manner you wouldn't really get if you just had Yara show up and the viewer not having watched Theon get tortured for a season+.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2014, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 12:57:53 AM
The off topic thread on the main Eagles site that you sometimes post in Munson is a landmine of spoilers, as well as things that people are getting wildly wrong about from the text after claiming to have read the series.

Yeah I ahve pretty good self control and avoid all the spoiler tagged stuff, and pretty much don't read anything that says "in the books..." haha. Luckily have been able to avoid getting spoiled about anything in there. I don't venture into that thread very often actually, usually get caught up reading the horseshtein in the political section. Every few days I remember there's a thread for GOT there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2014, 01:11:39 AM
Yeah I think the Theon stuff from season 3 was as much about Ramsey as it was about Theon. Alfie Allen has done a great job last season and this season, though.

I actually don't mind the Theon story much at all, though I think they wasted too many scenes on it last season. They probably could have cut 2 or 3 of those scenes and dedicated that extra 10 or so minutes towards more Tyrion or Robb or etc time. The point would have still got across in terms of how farged up a dude Ramsey is.

I was really excited for Yara to go kick some Bolton ass after they betrayed the Starks, but the 'invasion' was very anti-climatic. We got about 20 seconds of an awesome fight scene and then Yara decided to bail. I think we're getting set up for a better battle of sorts at Moat Cailin, at least I'm hoping.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 01:26:24 AM
I do think the Theon stuff will become more interesting since it's not "lets just watch him tortured to a post" every episode.

My fear is last seasons handling of his arc has soured people for whenever he or Ramsay comes on screen.  Likewise, I think people got so sick of Ramsay last season that they hate his character (not in a fun way to hate like Joffrey). 

Like I said, I think as his story evolved beyond watching him get tortured, it'll be more interesting.  I worry the damage has already been done to a lot of viewers though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 13, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
is it sunday yet ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 13, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
is it sunday yet ?

going to be longer after next week because there's no new episode for memorial day weekend.  The final 3 happen after that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 13, 2014, 01:43:10 PM
great and i'll be stuck near cholly manuelville.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 17, 2014, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 01:26:24 AMLike I said, I think as his story evolved beyond watching him get tortured, it'll be more interesting.  I worry the damage has already been done to a lot of viewers though.

As someone who hasn't read the books, I am indeed finding the Theon storyline tiresome. Two seasons of farging torturing a guy. At first I thought it was more about making the audience regain sympathy for Theon after all the bad shtein he did at Winterfell, but I guess now it was more about establishing Ramsay Snow as the replacement sadist and one-note bad guy now that Joffrey's dead.

That's another reason the duo of Greyjoy (or Reek) and Snow have been so boring. Neither of them has any real agency. Reek is a broken slave and Ramsay Snow is a sadistic psychopath. I prefer characters with personalities that can't be fully described in two words, which is why I enjoy all the political intrigue in the South so much. Not too easy to relate to either Reek or Snow as human beings.

I also find it strange that generations of Starks were cool with all the stuff going down a few miles away from Winterfell at the Dreadfort. I know Roose Bolton is a sneaky bastich but come on.  The Starks have supposedly run the North for thousands of years, and they couldn't get rid of that nutjob flaying family the whole time? That's some pretty weak leadership, Starks. I bet Tywin doesn't put up with that kind of bullshtein in the west.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 17, 2014, 11:47:05 PM
I think the Starks had put down more than a few Bolton uprisings in the past, but never wiped out the family. The Karstark house got it's start when Karlon Stark helped put down a Bolton uprising.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 18, 2014, 12:37:29 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 17, 2014, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2014, 01:26:24 AMLike I said, I think as his story evolved beyond watching him get tortured, it'll be more interesting.  I worry the damage has already been done to a lot of viewers though.

As someone who hasn't read the books, I am indeed finding the Theon storyline tiresome. Two seasons of farging torturing a guy. At first I thought it was more about making the audience regain sympathy for Theon after all the bad shtein he did at Winterfell, but I guess now it was more about establishing Ramsay Snow as the replacement sadist and one-note bad guy now that Joffrey's dead.

That's another reason the duo of Greyjoy (or Reek) and Snow have been so boring. Neither of them has any real agency.

I've made a similar argument in the past.  I do think it's supposed to get you to feel somewhat sympathetic to Theon, but I think the main purpose is Ramsay as a character.  People who have become very sympathetic to Theon don't understand how some people last year gained sympathy/liked Jaime, while still hating Theon because Theon's treatment and ordeal were more extreme.  I said it comes down to agency.  Characters who don't have agency (Sansa/Theon/etc) just aren't as interesting.  I think Jaime is interesting for other reasons, but when you have no agency as a character, your potential appeal is limited.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 18, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
What do you man "agency."  As in, they have no power of their own, no means by which to exert their own will?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 18, 2014, 02:21:16 PM
I'm talking about it as characters who have no means to drive the plot forward by their own actions.  Watching Theon get tortured for a year with no independent action on his own / watching Sansa at the whims of power brokers in King's Landing, etc.  I still think you can feel sympathy for those characters (and I actually find Sansa to be somewhat interesting), but I do think the appeal is limited when the person is completely beholden to others and has no ability to act on his/her own. 

I actually disagree with QB regarding Ramsay though.  I think the bigger problem with his character has been that he isn't surrounded by interesting characters.  Sadistic psychopaths can be interesting when you give them some foil or interesting challenge (see Joffrey in King's Landing).  Ramsay just had Theon for an entire season.  If he begins to interact more with others I think his character can become more interesting than has been depicted so far.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 18, 2014, 02:29:42 PM
We need mroe Ramsay/Roose interaction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 18, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 18, 2014, 01:48:26 PM
What do you man "agency."  As in, they have no power of their own, no means by which to exert their own will?

As in moral agency. As in having free will and the ability to make independent decisions within some kind of moral framework. It's easy to see how that is denied to Theon. With Snow, I feel he's just a cartoonish psycho even well beyond Joffrey. Joffrey was an immature sadist getting drunk on power. Maybe it was due to Jack Gleeson's great acting, but the character never rang false to me the way that Snow does. There has never been an actual human being like Ramsay Snow, who can't even express one moment of humanity that isn't some kind of put-on to further his sadism....not in the worst nuthouse, not in the concentration camps, not in Genghis Khan's tribes has there been a human being like that. Daddy doesn't love him, so he turns into Jigsaw? C'mon. He might as well be a White Walker, as he's pretty much just a dangerous fantasy beast. And that's just a lot less compelling to me than watching the human characters try to navigate their world.

As I said, I haven't read the books, so maybe he gets more interesting. So far I'm bored.

To me, the Kings Landing stuff is still the highlight of the show. I could watch Tyrion, Jaime, Tywin, Cersei, Varys, and even the Tyrells all day. The actress who plays Arya is amazing and I love her storyline too. The Stannis stuff hasn't really gripped me yet, and the Daenerys storyline was getting as repetitive as Theon, marching from one slave city to the next. It seems like they are introducing some character flaws in her though, which will spice things up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 18, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Holy farging shtein @ Littlefinger. Dude went from minor player to snapping on everyone. Did not see that coming tonight, goddamn. I figured he might get Lysa out of the picture eventually, didn't think he'd flat out kill her like that. Figured it'd be an undercover thing.

Arya/Hound scenes were really good again.

Once Cersei named the Mountain, I knew it would be Oberyn he'd be fighting, but the scene of him telling Tyrion he would be his champion was still really good. Love how fueled by revenge and hate he is. I still haven't been introduced to Oberyn in the books, as I skipped tyrion's chapter about meeting them out in front of Kings Landing since it came before the Red Wedding, but I get the feeling Pedro Pascal is nailing the part. If Tyrion makes it out alive, I hope he and Bronn are still friends.

Happy that Brienne now knows Arya is still alive. Wouldn't mind a Brienne/Hound/Arya badass tripod, but I know that probably wouldn't happen.

Looks like the Red Woman is going to try and sacrifice Shireen...hope that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 18, 2014, 11:20:11 PM
That Tyrion / Oberyn scene was one of the best the show has ever had IMO. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 19, 2014, 10:55:41 AM
wow, this show just gets better and better. the "only" thing that stinks is the wait until we see the mountain vs the viper.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 19, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
Once again, it takes me a while to catch on...but I didn't realize that Prince Oberyn was talking about the Mountain and I didn't know it was The Mountain that Cerci was talking to. (I didn't see the character was re-cast until last night). Looks like they selected a more fitting specimen (even though the original looks more rugged).

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 19, 2014, 08:49:06 PM
I think after this season ends and what should be pretty great last 3 episodes to see where GoT goes in the pantheon of TV series.  I think it has to enter that discussion after 4 years if it sticks the landing here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 20, 2014, 12:33:50 AM
i'm only like two episodes behind and have no idea who anyone in this thread is talking about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 20, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
Quote from: hbionic on May 19, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
Once again, it takes me a while to catch on...but I didn't realize that Prince Oberyn was talking about the Mountain and I didn't know it was The Mountain that Cerci was talking to. (I didn't see the character was re-cast until last night). Looks like they selected a more fitting specimen (even though the original looks more rugged).

That recasting got me, as well. Plus the fact that Cersei refers to him as Sir Gregor, while everyone else refers to him as The Mountain (I had long forgotten the character's actual name).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2014, 07:59:58 AM
Quote from: hbionic on May 19, 2014, 03:53:53 PM
Once again, it takes me a while to catch on...but I didn't realize that Prince Oberyn was talking about the Mountain and I didn't know it was The Mountain that Cerci was talking to. (I didn't see the character was re-cast until last night). Looks like they selected a more fitting specimen (even though the original looks more rugged).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7woRoVwyM

here's why he was recast
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2014, 08:43:49 AM
As far as the Hound/Arya scenes, just terrific.  Loved when she stuck the rapist in the heart, and the Hound just turned around and said "you're learning". 

Sansa's scenes with LittleFinger were typical Sansa, but like Munson said, I definitely didn't see Lysa getting thrown that quickly.  Now what to do with her muppet head son. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 20, 2014, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2014, 08:43:49 AM
As far as the Hound/Arya scenes, just terrific.  Loved when she stuck the rapist in the heart, and the Hound just turned around and said "you're learning". 

Sansa's scenes with LittleFinger were typical Sansa, but like Munson said, I definitely didn't see Lysa getting thrown that quickly.  Now what to do with her muppet head son.

agreed with all of this. also great was the non-chalant way cersei just walks into the courtyard where the mountain is killing slaves for practice and she just steps right over the dead guy's guts. just anothee walk in the park.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 20, 2014, 01:12:33 PM
Seabiscuit, I just read the dude is 25 years old, stands at 6ft 9in tall, 400lbs.

I'm pretty sure his package is a little bigger than mind.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 20, 2014, 01:34:35 PM
It's pretty remarkable .  Genetics off the heezy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 20, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
Just looked that the original cast of The Mountain stood at a measely 7ft tall.  :o

Looked shrimpish compared to his replacement.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 20, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
The mountain is the hounds brother...right?

Another incredible episode. Unlike a lot of you I saw Littlefinger throwing Lysa into the hole...probably because I would have done the same.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 20, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: SD on May 20, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
The mountain is the hounds brother...right?

Yeah. The Hound got those burns because when they were kids the Mountain caught the Hound playing with one of his toys, so he grabbed the Hound and held his face in a fire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 20, 2014, 11:22:19 PM
My favorite mountain was the 2nd one (at Harrenhal), had a voice like Lerch. He also played a giant and a white walker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 20, 2014, 11:26:12 PM
First Mountain was the best. Looked the part the most, IMO.

Whatever, this guy will serve his purpose of being a big mother farger who's scary as shtein to fight. Gonna be interesting to see how Oberyn attacks him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 20, 2014, 11:32:35 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 20, 2014, 11:26:12 PM
First Mountain was the best. Looked the part the most, IMO.

Whatever, this guy will serve his purpose of being a big mother farger who's scary as shtein to fight. Gonna be interesting to see how Oberyn attacks him.
with his dick?

Actually, it's not hard to figure it out if you think about it
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 20, 2014, 11:36:25 PM
Well from the previews, Oberyn's using the other spear he's famous for that isn't his schlong, so I assume he's gonna try and keep the Mountain at a distance using that. Big Dude can't hurt you if he can't reach you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 20, 2014, 11:39:42 PM
I hadn't seen that preview but yeah, what is his sigil? That and neutralizing the huge reach differential.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 21, 2014, 07:56:15 AM
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Oberyn_Martell
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140407045115/gameofthrones/images/thumb/2/2f/House-Martell-heraldry.jpg/250px-House-Martell-heraldry.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 21, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
watched the episode again. so many great scene's. actually glad it's not on this week. i'll be in deliverenceville va and there's no hbo where i'm staying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 21, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: SD on May 20, 2014, 09:43:49 PM
Unlike a lot of you I saw Littlefinger throwing Lysa into the hole...probably because I would have done the same.

Same here. I was hoping for him to give her just one little push.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 21, 2014, 09:11:40 AM
I think anyone watching was hoping, I just didn't see it actually happening. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 21, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
wondering - tyrion made a statement to jaime that sansa was not capable of murder ... yet.

does she send robin to his death ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 21, 2014, 05:50:48 PM
Last three episodes should easily make this the best season yet. 

This is absolutely not a plot spoiler but just in case for people who want 100% ignorance (it's about the formatting of an episode) - [spoiler]episode 9 is going to be blackwater-like.  All taking place at the wall.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 21, 2014, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 21, 2014, 01:20:54 PM
wondering - tyrion made a statement to jaime that sansa was not capable of murder ... yet.

does she send robin to his death ?

Next twist: Sansa is actually a supergenius and has been manipulating everything that has happened so far in the series, including the death of her own parents. That's the only plausible explanation for why no one has raped her yet even though she's constantly treated like a pawn by other people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on May 21, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
I found her character pretty pathetic through the books.  I'm glad to hear they've accomplished the same on the teevee.  (I've still seen only the first season).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 22, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
I think there is some character development with Sansa, finally. She isn't afraid to ask Littlefinger pointed questions about his masterminding even though she is beginning to understand how dangerous he is. And the Robin smack down was of course pretty good.

Back to an earlier point about Shireen and what her purpose is, as seen in the flames. Iirc, Mel still has unfinished business on Dragonstone, waking the dragons there with 'king's blood,' which I think was the intent with Gendry. Mel has a pretty good record with blood magic, imagine if she also got some dragons to match Dany's. I could see where Dany and Stannis/Mel lines eventually converge to fight the WWs. It is a Song of Ice and Fire in the end, and nothing says ice and fire like WWs and dragons/pyro Melisandra.

Anyway, Mel's telling Selyse that she is strong enough to look at the truth in the flames makes me wonder if she plans to sacrifice Shireen, though if they leave Dragonstone for the Wall it doesn't makes as much sense.

I'm coming around to liking that the show isn't strictly following the books and even goes way off in the chronology (parts of book 3 next to parts of book 5). Keeps it fresh as long as they don't over do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 22, 2014, 12:16:47 AM
Quote from: Diomedes on May 21, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
I found her character pretty pathetic through the books.  I'm glad to hear they've accomplished the same on the teevee.  (I've still seen only the first season).
Gotta say I usually like books more than movies/tele but GOT is an exception. Find somewhere to watch on a good system and go on a weekend bender with 2 or 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 01, 2014, 10:28:53 PM
Knew it was coming but still  :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 01, 2014, 11:05:58 PM
...farg this show. Forreal.


I think the brutality of that is making the shock/anger that much worse.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 01, 2014, 11:10:23 PM
they had it like that in the books.  I thought they might edit the eye gouging and whatnot in the show, but nope.

oberyn is definitely a tragic greek hero.  some combo of pride + vengeance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2014, 09:09:41 AM
i thought they may edit the eye gougung as well like they did with jofferey's death.

btw - sansa is ready to step into the game. i had a feeling they were going to taKe her character in that direction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 02, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
I kept thinking princess bride indigo Montoya especially with his accent. Girl at work who read the books said there's one big surprise still coming but it probably won't happen till the last episode. Next week looks strictly wildings/castle black showdown
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2014, 10:43:17 AM
def something huge coming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2014, 10:53:48 AM
The last two episodes are going to be insane.  I don't think that's a spoiler.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
stoked
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2014, 12:23:51 PM
With all the talk of more "holy shtein" moments coming, I have to wonder if it's possible that some of them get held off until episode 1 of next season. Next week is going to be all at the wall, so episode 10 would have a lot to cover if there's more non-wall holy shtein moments.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2014, 12:33:28 PM
anyone who knows the books can predict the final scene of this season. next week should tie up the storylines at the wall and the iron born. (for now)

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 02, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
pretty much the only character on the whole show that I liked and he gets his eyes squished out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 02, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
also, whats the deeper meaning of the 5 minute diatribe from the midget about his retarded cousin smushing beetles. i was waiting for some kind of punch line but they both just sit there like jackasses.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2014, 01:51:10 PM
i have to re-watch the episode to see that scene again but more than not those types of scenes give you some type of insight that you will remember down the road.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 02, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
also, whats the deeper meaning of the 5 minute diatribe from the midget about his retarded cousin smushing beetles. i was waiting for some kind of punch line but they both just sit there like jackasses.

I think you can look at it as a reference to Tyrion being smashed repeatedly in life.  Or you could draw the parallel between it being the showrunners smashing characters over and over again.  I don't know that there's a specific deeper meaning.

I'm not sure we're getting anything more with the Boltons than what we got.  I saw that the dude who spat in Theon's face was originally scheduled to be episode 10, so I think they bumped that whole storyline into this episode as its finale. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 02, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 02, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
also, whats the deeper meaning of the 5 minute diatribe from the midget about his retarded cousin smushing beetles. i was waiting for some kind of punch line but they both just sit there like jackasses.

I watched that scene over and have no farging clue
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Chameleon on June 02, 2014, 03:53:24 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 02, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
also, whats the deeper meaning of the 5 minute diatribe from the midget about his retarded cousin smushing beetles. i was waiting for some kind of punch line but they both just sit there like jackasses.

IMO it was further insight into Tyrion. This cynical man is/was always seeking some sort of meaning in a world that may not have one. He wants there to be some "reason" why things are the way they are, why people do the things they do. Sometimes there is no reason. Sometimes you open a door to find the room empty. Tyrion's character isn't a mouth breather, he thinks and therefore wants there to be a reason or purpose for the actions of men. I think that scene was him still searching for that answer all the while realizing that so often there simply isn't one. Many act on impulse without reason, even more have faith in a man behind a door that doesn't exist. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 02, 2014, 04:49:48 PM
I don't know about the symbology part but it also may have been written in to help re-humanize Tyrion after they way he was left in the dark side after last episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 02, 2014, 06:13:12 PM
The beetle smashing also refers to the way the Mountain treats human beings.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I don't think it was totally an overt reference to the Mountain. I think the point is that everyone has a role to play and they play it, sometimes regardless of any clear motivation or logic or reason.

Why is Tyrion driven to try to fit in to and make sense of a world that is designed to beat him down? Why is Jamie, who clearly has a moral compass, driven to do wholly immoral things by lust for his sister? Why does Baelish do anything that he does? Why are all of the Starks so farging stubborn and prideful and incapable of recognizing deception? And, of course, why is the mountain the way he is? Why did he push his brother's face into a fire? Why does he get pleasure out of raping and killing?

The answer is that it doesn't matter why. It just is. Trying to make sense of madness and chaos is a huge part of Tyrion's intelligence and a big reason that his character is so beloved. I think the conversation was just more of him trying to understand something that can't really be satisfactorily explained. He didn't commit a crime, but he's about to die for it anyway, so he's having a philosophical sad trying to wrap his head around the way the world is, but there's no good answer. Sometimes idiots just smash bugs because that's what they do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2014, 11:35:57 AM
the mountain won't be doing much beyond being dead now. unless they go by the book and he dies a slow, painful death from the poision that was put on the blades of oberyn's weapons. (his squire was pictured wiping the poision on the blade).

wonder how the hound will react when he hears of his brother's death ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I don't think it was totally an overt reference to the Mountain. I think the point is that everyone has a role to play and they play it, sometimes regardless of any clear motivation or logic or reason.

Why is Tyrion driven to try to fit in to and make sense of a world that is designed to beat him down? Why is Jamie, who clearly has a moral compass, driven to do wholly immoral things by lust for his sister? Why does Baelish do anything that he does? Why are all of the Starks so farging stubborn and prideful and incapable of recognizing deception? And, of course, why is the mountain the way he is? Why did he push his brother's face into a fire? Why does he get pleasure out of raping and killing?

The answer is that it doesn't matter why. It just is. Trying to make sense of madness and chaos is a huge part of Tyrion's intelligence and a big reason that his character is so beloved. I think the conversation was just more of him trying to understand something that can't really be satisfactorily explained. He didn't commit a crime, but he's about to die for it anyway, so he's having a philosophical sad trying to wrap his head around the way the world is, but there's no good answer. Sometimes idiots just smash bugs because that's what they do.

This is a good post IMO
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
GRRM is great at making people have conflicting views on his characters.

For example...I absolutely hate Littlefinger for being the one responsible for Ned's death and everything that has gone on. However, I hope the small part of him that is motivated by revenge for what happened to Catelyn, and not his own power, drives him to farg shtein up for Tywin, Roose, and Walder Frey. Actively cheering for that, actually.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
The complexity of the characters is one of the only redeeming qualities of his writing (the anything goes sex and violence soap opera drama being the other). Very few characters are entirely good or entirely evil and the ones who are the most interesting have conflict and motivations that are less than obvious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2014, 01:15:45 PM
wondering does this season actually wrap up book 3 ? there's still quite a bit that goes on at the wall. does stannis get there this week for the battle ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Yeah could be that they open next season with that. There are still two battles at the wall from the book and I doubt they'll spend both episodes on that. I'll bet the first battle will be next week and the big big death that's left will be the season finale. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 03, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
It's now been so long since I read these books that I can't remember most of what you all are talking about.  Which big big death?  If the Viper is gone that means Jof...oh. 

Now I remember the timeline.

Yeah, that's kinda big.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 02:28:32 PM
this page has trended way close to potentially spoilerish stuff
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
Smeags in paricutlar >:(...though at least everything he said is stuff I already assumed was happening. We know Stannis is on his way North, the Wall seems like the most logical destination.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2014, 03:06:19 PM
Also, some book readers have been talking about "LSH" during the season finale. I have no idea what they're talking about but they're all saying it's a big deal and think whatever it is will be the last scene of the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 03, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
Smeags in paricutlar >:(...though at least everything he said is stuff I already assumed was happening. We know Stannis is on his way North, the Wall seems like the most logical destination.

yeah sorry if that gave something away, i thought it was mentioned in the show that he was heading to the wall. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 03, 2014, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 03, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
Smeags in paricutlar >:(...though at least everything he said is stuff I already assumed was happening. We know Stannis is on his way North, the Wall seems like the most logical destination.

yeah sorry if that gave something away, i thought it was mentioned in the show that he was heading to the wall.

I think all they've said so far is that he's going North. I assumed at first it was to try and rally Northern lords to his cause since they're all pretty unhappy with Roose Bolton, but with the battle of the Wall coming up next week and Melisandre knowing the White Walkers are the true enemy, I can see them heading straight for the Wall. I'm wondering if they get there just in time to "save the day", or if they show up before/after the battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Yeah could be that they open next season with that. There are still two battles at the wall from the book and I doubt they'll spend both episodes on that.

The next episode is entirely the Wall.  The raiding party that hit Mole's Town and Mance's large army north of the wall are converging simultaneously.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Yeah could be that they open next season with that. There are still two battles at the wall from the book and I doubt they'll spend both episodes on that.

The next episode is entirely the Wall.  The raiding party that hit Mole's Town and Mance's large army north of the wall are converging simultaneously.

You may be right but that's definitely not how it happens in the book. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 04:36:21 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 04:23:20 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 01:18:39 PM
Yeah could be that they open next season with that. There are still two battles at the wall from the book and I doubt they'll spend both episodes on that.

The next episode is entirely the Wall.  The raiding party that hit Mole's Town and Mance's large army north of the wall are converging simultaneously.

You may be right but that's definitely not how it happens in the book. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Do not read if you haven't read the books.


[spoiler]yes they pretty severely alter the timeline with Jon.  Ygritte is dead way before this.  I read Jon VII-XI in ASOS is basically all happening at once to do one focused battle as opposed to how it's portrayed in the books[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:38:55 PM
I could be wrong but [spoiler]I thought Ygritte died during the raiding party's attack from the south.[/spoiler]

Otherwise you're completely right (might be right on that point too). They've changed Jon's storyline way more than anything else in the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 03, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
[spoiler]You are not wrong.  That is when she died.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I don't think it was totally an overt reference to the Mountain. I think the point is that everyone has a role to play and they play it, sometimes regardless of any clear motivation or logic or reason.

Why is Tyrion driven to try to fit in to and make sense of a world that is designed to beat him down? Why is Jamie, who clearly has a moral compass, driven to do wholly immoral things by lust for his sister? Why does Baelish do anything that he does? Why are all of the Starks so farging stubborn and prideful and incapable of recognizing deception? And, of course, why is the mountain the way he is? Why did he push his brother's face into a fire? Why does he get pleasure out of raping and killing?

The answer is that it doesn't matter why. It just is. Trying to make sense of madness and chaos is a huge part of Tyrion's intelligence and a big reason that his character is so beloved. I think the conversation was just more of him trying to understand something that can't really be satisfactorily explained. He didn't commit a crime, but he's about to die for it anyway, so he's having a philosophical sad trying to wrap his head around the way the world is, but there's no good answer. Sometimes idiots just smash bugs because that's what they do.

This is a good post IMO
Wrong, too many words.. SMASH. SMASH.SMASH
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I don't think it was totally an overt reference to the Mountain. I think the point is that everyone has a role to play and they play it, sometimes regardless of any clear motivation or logic or reason.

Why is Tyrion driven to try to fit in to and make sense of a world that is designed to beat him down? Why is Jamie, who clearly has a moral compass, driven to do wholly immoral things by lust for his sister? Why does Baelish do anything that he does? Why are all of the Starks so farging stubborn and prideful and incapable of recognizing deception? And, of course, why is the mountain the way he is? Why did he push his brother's face into a fire? Why does he get pleasure out of raping and killing?

The answer is that it doesn't matter why. It just is. Trying to make sense of madness and chaos is a huge part of Tyrion's intelligence and a big reason that his character is so beloved. I think the conversation was just more of him trying to understand something that can't really be satisfactorily explained. He didn't commit a crime, but he's about to die for it anyway, so he's having a philosophical sad trying to wrap his head around the way the world is, but there's no good answer. Sometimes idiots just smash bugs because that's what they do.

This is a good post IMO
Wrong, too many words.. SMASH. SMASH.SMASH

This is a good post IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2014, 04:42:21 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:41:12 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
I don't think it was totally an overt reference to the Mountain. I think the point is that everyone has a role to play and they play it, sometimes regardless of any clear motivation or logic or reason.

Why is Tyrion driven to try to fit in to and make sense of a world that is designed to beat him down? Why is Jamie, who clearly has a moral compass, driven to do wholly immoral things by lust for his sister? Why does Baelish do anything that he does? Why are all of the Starks so farging stubborn and prideful and incapable of recognizing deception? And, of course, why is the mountain the way he is? Why did he push his brother's face into a fire? Why does he get pleasure out of raping and killing?

The answer is that it doesn't matter why. It just is. Trying to make sense of madness and chaos is a huge part of Tyrion's intelligence and a big reason that his character is so beloved. I think the conversation was just more of him trying to understand something that can't really be satisfactorily explained. He didn't commit a crime, but he's about to die for it anyway, so he's having a philosophical sad trying to wrap his head around the way the world is, but there's no good answer. Sometimes idiots just smash bugs because that's what they do.

This is a good post IMO
Wrong, too many words.. SMASH. SMASH.SMASH

This is a good post IMO.
[spoiler]Shut it You...[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Just kidding.  Great synopsis of Tyrions struggle[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 03, 2014, 04:38:55 PM
I could be wrong but [spoiler]I thought Ygritte died during the raiding party's attack from the south.[/spoiler]

Otherwise you're completely right (might be right on that point too). They've changed Jon's storyline way more than anything else in the series.

[spoiler]no, you're right - I meant that the raiding party happened before the big attack and that she was dead before the big attack.  By combining them in the show it'll all go down at once (or in one episode anyway)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 04, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
Casting/audition news for season 5

[spoiler]There's an audition tape on vine that I think has since been taken down, which I saw, that has the actress who played Alex on Lost reading for Obara Sand.  In her audition she conveys the information that Jaime has been smuggled into Dorne.[/spoiler]

???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 04, 2014, 03:44:40 PM
dammit why did i read that !
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 04, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Wrong, too many words.. SMASH. SMASH.SMASH

:-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 04, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vob2_MSpXQc
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 05, 2014, 01:34:54 AM
lol the only thing different about that bar's reaction from mine is instead of cheering how awesome the show was I just sat there in silence and disgust and anger for about 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 05, 2014, 03:36:05 AM
lol at the first video.

Just got around to watching this past episode.

I still have faint hope the gods will save Tyrion.

Don't spoil it for me...but...hope is all I have left.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 05, 2014, 04:17:52 AM
Who is Tyrion?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 05, 2014, 05:59:51 AM
The Orson story is obviously symbolic and the utility of symbology is that is can have many levels of meaning, not just a 1:1 analogy. My sense is that this goes to the crux of the whole ASOIAF story, and on one level Orson is a transposition of the nihilistic wights who, like Orson with his beetles, will relentlessly come to smash the humans, and not just because they happen to be there but will go out of their way to come after humans until they all are destroyed.

Tyrion reported being filled with dread from watching Orson to the point of having nightmares and waking in a cold sweat, so I could see this as premonition or foreshadowing. It also highlights what  has never been adequately addressed - the question of the white walkers and why they do what they do. It is it just their nature or are humans a natural enemy, or like in the religion of R'hllor are they agents of the dark lord?

This is probably as philosophical as I've seen the story get but I like it. It points toward the underlying meaning of the story.

One common thread GRRM has used throughout, is how something/someone seemingly bad has a good side that become revealed or redeemed. If the world really has degenerated into a steaming pile of corruption, nihilism could serve a positive purpose of having the near total destruction from a great war turn out to be what the world needs to be reborn and start anew. Martin seems warped enough (or maybe pragmatic enough) to offer this view.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 05, 2014, 03:14:24 PM
Congratulations everyone, we reached a new milestone. We just had commentary on Nihilism. It's a  :CF first.

I would like to be excited, but I don't really know how to feel about it. It's almost like, "What's the point?"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 05, 2014, 04:08:38 PM
Officially HBO's most watched show (http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/05/game-of-thrones-sopranos-ratings/)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 05, 2014, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: hbionic on June 05, 2014, 03:14:24 PM
We just had commentary on Nihilism. It's a  :CF first.

I thought nihilism was the dominant theme of CF's "Eagles Talk" forum.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 05, 2014, 07:28:14 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on June 05, 2014, 05:59:51 AM
The Orson story is obviously symbolic and the utility of symbology is that is can have many levels of meaning, not just a 1:1 analogy. My sense is that this goes to the crux of the whole ASOIAF story, and on one level Orson is a transposition of the nihilistic wights who, like Orson with his beetles, will relentlessly come to smash the humans, and not just because they happen to be there but will go out of their way to come after humans until they all are destroyed.

Tyrion reported being filled with dread from watching Orson to the point of having nightmares and waking in a cold sweat, so I could see this as premonition or foreshadowing. It also highlights what  has never been adequately addressed - the question of the white walkers and why they do what they do. It is it just their nature or are humans a natural enemy, or like in the religion of R'hllor are they agents of the dark lord?

This is probably as philosophical as I've seen the story get but I like it. It points toward the underlying meaning of the story.

One common thread GRRM has used throughout, is how something/someone seemingly bad has a good side that become revealed or redeemed. If the world really has degenerated into a steaming pile of corruption, nihilism could serve a positive purpose of having the near total destruction from a great war turn out to be what the world needs to be reborn and start anew. Martin seems warped enough (or maybe pragmatic enough) to offer this view.

I just imaginary "Liked" this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
That was poor episode planning.  That's all I'll say until after next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
That was awesome, I can see how they blew the budget on that one.

I'm trying to figure out why Jon is just walking out to the wildlings. Unless Mance still thinks Jon is with ygritte and tormund?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2014, 12:51:02 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 08, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
That was awesome, I can see how they blew the budget on that one.

I'm trying to figure out why Jon is just walking out to the wildlings. Unless Mance still thinks Jon is with ygritte and tormund?

Read this post if you haven't read the books AFTER next weeks episode:

[spoiler]so next week is 66 minutes.  This week is 51.  The entire CAP of the Battle at the Wall is Stannis' arrival to save everyone.  It ties in his storyline to the wall & gives his character a huge payoff/hero moment and is a major curve out of left field (it has been telegraphed slightly more in the story but the point is the same).  What better way than to cap a neat bow on an episode entirely at the wall than to use however many minutes are going to be devoted to Mance treating with Jon next week and instead, make both episodes about an hour long by including it here?  You get a sense of real accomplishment as the episode ends because the wildlings have been crushed, Stannis makes it, etc.  Instead, what you get at the end of this episode is what?  Ygritte dying and basically 0 resolution whatsoever.  The plot hasn't moved at all. 

The concerns won't really exist if you watch the show as a marathon, or in tandem with next episode, but it bothered me here.  Next episode is already going to be crammed with TONS of huge moments.  It would've been liking ending the 8th episode on Jaime/Tyrion's speech and pushing the duel into that episode as well.  Sure, it accomplishes the same end in the season as a whole, but viewed in isolation, it's a major WTF decision.  Stannis' arrival would have left me feeling like something major was accomplished in this episode on top of all the little skirmishes (because then you get part of the battle beyond the wall too which was clearly filmed based on the promos).  Instead, you get a skirmish from the raiding party and nothing else.  Yes, next week should be beyond amazing with all of the moments, but they could have spread the wealth here, pushed that part into this episode like I was assuming it would be, and then let next week breathe just a little bit.  I don't get it.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 09, 2014, 07:58:17 AM
That episode was a badly done version of the battle of Helm's Deep. Ygritte dying gets a big who cares. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
Yeah her death wasn't really all that emotional, minus feeling a little bad for Jon as she died. Probably because her death was pretty predictable, I ddidn't think there was any way she made it out of this episode.

I was more sad about Grenn and Pyp dying. Really liked Grenn whenever he was on screen.

Loved seeing Sam become more brave and Jon turn into a badass and a leader tonight. I also found myself cheering for Ser Alliser, which I didn't see coming. Janos Slynt needs to die ASAP though, farg that guy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2014, 12:48:52 PM
(http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4583565/giant-arrow.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2014, 02:36:05 PM
I think this episode will be fine when taken in tandem with the next one.  It's clear with all of the plot threads dangling still, episode 10 this year seems more the climax and less the denouement that it has been in most seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 09, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
i have a feeling the storyline of the wall/the wildlings etc will spill over into next season. last night's episode was pretty good but certainly lacked the "holy crap" allure.

one good part was ser alliser admitting to jon snow the he was right not only about permentally closing the gate but pretty much everything.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 09, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
Game of Thrones is much better at intrigue and shock/surprise than it is at spectacle. Last night's episode was a big fat meh because it relied 100% on spectacle and it just wasn't up to the task.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 09, 2014, 03:11:21 PM
agreed although i have to admit that scene munson posted was excellent.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2014, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 09, 2014, 03:11:21 PM
agreed although i have to admit that scene munson posted was excellent.

There were plenty of good parts in the episode.  Thorne's stuff was very good.  Tormund is awesome.  The tracking shot for 45 seconds was really cool.  I just don't like how it was pitched as this huge battle at the wall, when what you got really was the skirmish from the group that already crossed the wall and a few scattered people from north of the wall doing stuff.

I'm glad we get to see Ciaran Hinds in the preview for next episode though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 09, 2014, 03:41:36 PM
well call it a letdown or whatever i just didnt think it was up to par. which still means it was better t.v. than 99% of anything currently on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 09, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
I fell asleep, didn't see maybe the middle third, and I don't think I missed much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 09, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
You missed a lot of people running around yelling and hacking at each other.

To me it was the worst episode of s4 which I think had a shot to be the best one yet. Befuddled and wide eyed Janos Slint running around was maybe the worst acting I've seen on the show. Didn't like that they killed off Pip and Grenn though. At least Edd lived, he's one of my favorite minor characters.

There were a couple of cool moments. When Styr bashed John's face on an anvil it was pretty unrealistic he only got a little bit of a bloody mouth. But it was clever how John saved his life by spitting said blood back in Styr's face to throw him off guard enough for John to bury the hatchet in his head. A direct reference imo back to Karl of Gin Alley (Gin Lane in the old English reference - also where Davos and Gendry were from), and how he spat in John's face to gain the advantage, almost killing him because John fought 'too honorably'. A lesson Bronn also taught, smacking Jamie down with his own gold hand.

Also liked scene with the giant charging the gate. Given how the wall was also built with spells, the Night's Watch guys doing their ancient vows and created a good moment of suspense, like could this actually work? But there was also slightly humorous element, like some mystical blue collar incantation. Liked the older and more primate style of giants from earlier shows, guess the humanoid ones seemed a more likely fit, with needing the intelligence to open the gate but became a bit Harry Potterish.

Btw Sus, you have a nice glass. (Glencairn?)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2014, 11:43:01 PM
I thought Grenn just started with the vows to give the scared bitch brother courage, basically trying to fire him/the rest of them up.

It was definitely the "worst" episode of the season, but it was still pretty damn good IMO. The ending was weak, and as rusty pointed out, the show is much better at intrigue than at 'mindless' action.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 09, 2014, 11:49:01 PM
Agree with Grenn. It was just the effect it seemed to evolve into. And like Smeags said, even subpar GOT is still better than most of the crap on teevee, but still a mediocre showing all in all imo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
I thought the battle itself was actually great, but the 15-20 minutes leading up to it were pretty weak. Didn't really think the discussion between Sam/Aemon was all that interesting, nor Jon and Sam talking about Ygritte. When the Blackwater episode happened, at least you had Tyrion being Tyrion and Joffery being a funhole before the battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 10, 2014, 12:00:49 AM
I don't think it was the worst episode of the season (I'd probably put it above 3/4/5), just a missed opportunity in some regards.

From EW quoting Benioff & Weiss about episode 10:

"It's the best finale we've ever done, bar none," Thrones showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss said in a statement. "The performances from our cast, the direction from Alex Graves, the VFX work, the new [music] cues from Ramin Djawadi—all of it came together in perhaps the finest hour we've produced. We're immensely proud of 'The Children.' And a little intimidated by the episode, because now we have to get back to the business of season five and figure out a way to top it."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on June 09, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
Btw Sus, you have a nice glass. (Glencairn?)

Yep. One of several in my collection. It was really difficult to find one, then they started showing up everywhere.

Back to GoT...the episode reminded me of the Matthew Broderick version of Godzilla. People screaming, running, seeing monsters, screaming, changing directions, and running. Repeat ad nauseum.

I'm sure it was a very difficult episode to create, between actor fatigue and the choreography between the actors and the cameras. But it was just tedious to the viewer after a while.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 10, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
Alliser: "I'm needed elsewhere to farg some shtein up. Slynt, the wall is yours." (Commences farging shtein up.)
Janos: "I'm terrified and have been summoned elsewhere. Snow, the wall is yours." (Hides.)
Jon: "Yes, I also need to go fight somewhere else. Edd, the wall is yours." (Commences farging shtein up.)
Edd: "Whatever, let's farg shtein up." (Commences farging shtein up.)

If the episode had been 30 minutes longer I'm sure that Edd would have passed the wall off to Sam and Sam would have passed it off to Gilly and Gilly would have passed it off to Mini-Sam.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 10, 2014, 01:19:34 PM
Edd did issue the best command though by unleashing the wall anchor-axe. That was bitchin!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 10, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
that was pretty badass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 10, 2014, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 10, 2014, 07:00:21 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on June 09, 2014, 11:32:05 PM
Btw Sus, you have a nice glass. (Glencairn?)

Yep. One of several in my collection. It was really difficult to find one, then they started showing up everywhere.

Back to GoT...the episode reminded me of the Matthew Broderick version of Godzilla. People screaming, running, seeing monsters, screaming, changing directions, and running. Repeat ad nauseum.

I'm sure it was a very difficult episode to create, between actor fatigue and the choreography between the actors and the cameras. But it was just tedious to the viewer after a while.


Yeah, had been meaning to get some of those glasses on line for a while but then they showed up at Total Wine. After the episode we compared Macallan 18 with Balvenie 21 y/o port cask in them. For the ladies I made up some Johnny Walker black label with Godiva white chocolate (White Walkers bitches!! - but it has to be served on ice). Believe it or not, JW Black in regular Godiva chocolate liqueur is actual pretty good if you like those kinds of drinks. Anyway, you have a good sigil.

Quote
If the episode had been 30 minutes longer I'm sure that Edd would have passed the wall off to Sam and Sam would have passed it off to Gilly and Gilly would have passed it off to Mini-Sam.

Hey, thanks for spoiling next week
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 11, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
i really wanted that Gilly character to just look at the bald dude that ran into her chamber and say "sorry".

and who is mance? i know he's their leader or whatever but has he been on the show yet? other than just by name?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 11, 2014, 11:35:14 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 11, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
i really wanted that Gilly character to just look at the bald dude that ran into her chamber and say "sorry".

and who is mance? i know he's their leader or whatever but has he been on the show yet? other than just by name?

Jon met him in S3Ep1 when he was taken to their tent. He knelt down in front of Tormund Giantsbane (the crazy bearded dude) and they all laughed at him and then Mance came over and said "i'm the king" and all that. The last time we saw Mance Rayder was also in Season 3, he was walking towards the camera saying "I'm gonna light the biggest fire the North has ever seen"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 12, 2014, 07:44:38 AM
He's played by the same guy who was Julius Caesar from hbo's ROME. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 13, 2014, 09:22:31 PM
Couple of things upon re-watch:

Although I initially thought Sam/Aemon's scene was boring, I did get a little sad for Aemon seeing the smile on his face as he talked about the woman he once loved.

The music that is basically the Thenn's/other wildling's "theme" is awesome.

And :(
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpWwqqPIgAAX_pT.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 14, 2014, 12:49:26 AM
(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10456423_10152333726199193_8153015806425241188_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 14, 2014, 02:00:50 AM
Lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2014, 12:38:11 PM
Sad it's over in a day or so but it's also probably the most I can recall looking forward to a TV episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 14, 2014, 02:10:24 PM
This is the most hyped hour of television in the history of tv shows...at least on par with the lost finale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
BB finale had more hype I'd guess.  I loved BB but I like GoT more.

Tip - I saw the previously on GoT segment.  Mute it or start watching during the credits IMO.  They've gotten super heavy handed and this one I think is borderline spoilery for non-readers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 14, 2014, 02:33:48 PM
shtein, really? I've enjoyed using the previously on to get a look at who or what we might see in the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
It's not earth shattering but I'd avoid it personally.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2014, 03:01:20 PM
One other thing.   I listen to greenwald and Ryan's podcast on grantland and enjoy it + also really like his recaps.  That being said, people saying they enjoy GoT but have no desire to rewatch it (they've both said that) like they would with BB are short changing it.  Especially for non-readers, if you really like the show I think you're amazed at all the things hinted at in past seasons that you'd never pick up the first time through.  Definitely worth a rewatch before S5 IMO.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 14, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
Definitely. I re-watched most of Season 1 this past fall and there's so many moments that you're just like "oh...shtein"...and I'm looking forward to doing that again now that we know Littlefinger was behind the Stark/Lannister tensions the whole time.

Haven't had a chance to re-watch Season 2 or 3 yet, minus one or two episodes here and there when they were replayed by HBO, but I def wanna go back and do that this summer/fall.

Edit-I should add that I've seen virutally every episode multiple times, but I haven't sat down and watched Season 2 since before Season 3 aired, and I saw each episode of Season 3 a few times, but only caught a few of them in the weeks leading up to Season 4 when HBO started playing them again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 14, 2014, 04:05:39 PM
Thank god for that edit, you're right, you really did need to divulge that vital information about your GoT viewing habits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 14, 2014, 04:56:05 PM
Yeah, but you read it. Now I just feel bad for you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
I am ready.  Let's hope it delivers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2014, 08:42:44 PM
I am ready to probably shtein my pants and/or stating once again "I hate this farging show"...a good hate, of course.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2014, 10:09:35 PM
BOOM


that just happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2014, 10:11:10 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2014, 10:15:13 PM
Happy Fathers Day, Tywin

Love, Tyrion
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
this show is off the charts great.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2014, 10:54:16 PM
Loved it. 

You're going to be in for a surprise if you read the ASOS epilogue Munson.  My guess is book purists will bitch on that front. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2014, 11:13:47 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2014, 10:54:16 PM
Loved it. 

You're going to be in for a surprise if you read the ASOS epilogue Munson.  My guess is book purists will bitch on that front.

Okay, so I know to skip the epilogue then. My girlfriend also tells me there's a major character in Bran's chapters that hasn't been introduced yet, so I'm gonna skip them too. Which kinda sucks because I'm incredibly excited about the Children of the Forest still being around. Any other particular characters who still have chapters not covered? One thing I keep reading (which is thankfully spoiler free so far) is that Tyrion hasn't been told "The truth" yet...so does that mean there's a Tyrion chapter or two I need to avoid?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2014, 11:17:40 PM
They may be cutting the epilogue out.  I think you're safe to read it but it might be a spoiler.  Up to you.

I think you're good with Bran.

The Tyrion think I think is being cut.  Really not a big spoiler at all but I'll do it just in case.   [spoiler]in the books it's revealed that Tysha, Tyrion's first wife, was actually NOT a whore, and Tywin ordered Jaime to act like she was because he didn't want Tyrion marrying a lowborn.  So his anger of that is what leads him to Tywin in the books is finding out about Tysha from Jaime.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
I'll skip the epilogue then, just in case. They've shown that they're not afraid to move entire storylines around, so who knows, it's the end of book 3 but they could do it in Season 6 for all we know. As for Bran...she said the character comes up way before the end of book 3, so do you think they're just cutting the character out??

Final thoughts for this episode/season/future:

Kings Landing
-What the hell is going on with Cersei and Jaime? I was afraid her seducing him would make him an icehole again, but then he helps Tyrion escape. Hmm...and what the farg is the play with The Mountain? Let the big mother farger die. He doesn't need to be alive, let alone more powerful like Qyburn.
-Tyrion escaping was goddamn awesome. I was hoping it would happen, but wasn't sure. And, of course, happy he got to take out Tywin. Though it seems to have thrown a big ass wrench in the plans of Varys, who seemed like he was about to go back to the Red Keep until he heard the bells rigning, and at that point knew Tyrion farged shtein up. So I assume he's taking Tyrion over to Illyrio in Pentos, and is now bailing on Kings Landing and Westeros and is going to go into full-on help Dany mode. Does this mean he gets Tyrion in good with Dany? Does Jorah find his way to Illyrio as well? Tyrion's journey is so interesting now, especially with Varys on board.
-As soon as Tyrion opened the door and Tywin was sitting there, I said "kill him" out loud. So happy that farger finally got what was coming to him. Revenge for Robb Stark, revenge for Tyrion's entire life, revenge for Oberyn..yay
-No idea what his death means for Kings Landing and the reign of Tommen Baratheon. WIthout the rock that was Tywin, I can see Littlefinger making his move from the Vale, the Tyrells attempting to press their power, Dorne is gonna be pissed about Oberyn and I think they end up rebelling.

The Wall
-I figured Stannis would eventually get to the Wall, didn't think he'd show up on the other side of it. Pretty awesome. Is he going to convince Mance to join him in defending the Wall against the White Walkers? They obviously are too stubborn to bend the knee to Stannis and join the realm. Not sure if that's going to change.
-No mention of whether or not Alliser Thorne is still alive, but I assume he is. But I imagine Jon will be elected Lord Commander soon.

North of the Wall
-Holy shtein that scene straight outta Evil Dead was crazy. But farg yeah, the Children of the Forest! Pretty happy they're still around. But who's the old dude? Another one of the Children? Just the three eyed raven in human form? One of hte actual "Old Gods"?? So many questions on that storyline...But Jojen :(. Kinda sad to see him go, though I think the show never did a great job fleshing him out.

Dany
-Her story has never bored me as much in the show as it has reading it in the books, but it's definitely slowing down now. Feel bad for the Dragons getting chained up though, sucks. Not sure what the hell she's gonna do. I assumed once she got Mereen, she'd move on relatively quickly to taking on the Dothraki and then eventually moving onto the Free Cities. But it looks like this Mereen thing is gonna be a while. I still think Varys is gonna use Illyrio to get Jorah back in her good graces, not sure how though.

Arya/Brienne/The Hound
-Fuuuuck, this was the most frustrating part for me. Hated seeing The Hound go, and hated that Arya bailed on Brienne, though it makes sense why she wouldn't trust her. Great fight between her and the Hound, but really didn't want him to die. Thought he and Brienne would both make good people for Arya to learn how to fight from. As much as it sucks, it is exciting to see her on her way to Braavos. Does she continue her lessons there? Find Syrio who I'm hoping is still alive? Or does she go a step further and learn how to be a Faceless Man??
-What does Brienne do now? I assume she'll keep searching for Arya in the area before figuring out it's a lost cause. Does she continue to The Eyrie and find Sansa? Find Arya's path and follow her to Braavos??

Things not mentioned in this episode
-What the farg is going on with the Greyjoys? They've basically disappeared
-Sansa/Littlefinger, I wonder what their next move is gonna be. I think he's gotta make a major play now that Tywin is dead and Varys isn't around to sabotage him at all. Still think it's interesting that Varys told Lady Olenna that Littlefinger was extremely dangerous, and now they're allied with him.
-No mention of the Brotherhood Without Banners at all this season. Kinda sucks, I thought Thoros and his ability to bring Beric back from the dead was gonna have a bigger role in the story, but maybe there will be more to come next season...
-Didn't think we'd get any of Dorne this season, but I assume next season they're gonna be heavy players, pissed off about Oberyn's death. Should be interesting...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2014, 12:38:26 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 16, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
I'll skip the epilogue then, just in case. They've shown that they're not afraid to move entire storylines around, so who knows, it's the end of book 3 but they could do it in Season 6 for all we know. As for Bran...she said the character comes up way before the end of book 3, so do you think they're just cutting the character out??

Final thoughts for this episode/season/future:

Kings Landing
-What the hell is going on with Cersei and Jaime? I was afraid her seducing him would make him an icehole again, but then he helps Tyrion escape. Hmm...and what the farg is the play with The Mountain? Let the big mother farger die. He doesn't need to be alive, let alone more powerful like Qyburn.
-Tyrion escaping was goddamn awesome. I was hoping it would happen, but wasn't sure. And, of course, happy he got to take out Tywin. Though it seems to have thrown a big ass wrench in the plans of Varys, who seemed like he was about to go back to the Red Keep until he heard the bells rigning, and at that point knew Tyrion farged shtein up. So I assume he's taking Tyrion over to Illyrio in Pentos, and is now bailing on Kings Landing and Westeros and is going to go into full-on help Dany mode. Does this mean he gets Tyrion in good with Dany? Does Jorah find his way to Illyrio as well? Tyrion's journey is so interesting now, especially with Varys on board.
-As soon as Tyrion opened the door and Tywin was sitting there, I said "kill him" out loud. So happy that farger finally got what was coming to him. Revenge for Robb Stark, revenge for Tyrion's entire life, revenge for Oberyn..yay
-No idea what his death means for Kings Landing and the reign of Tommen Baratheon. WIthout the rock that was Tywin, I can see Littlefinger making his move from the Vale, the Tyrells attempting to press their power, Dorne is gonna be pissed about Oberyn and I think they end up rebelling.

The Wall
-I figured Stannis would eventually get to the Wall, didn't think he'd show up on the other side of it. Pretty awesome. Is he going to convince Mance to join him in defending the Wall against the White Walkers? They obviously are too stubborn to bend the knee to Stannis and join the realm. Not sure if that's going to change.
-No mention of whether or not Alliser Thorne is still alive, but I assume he is. But I imagine Jon will be elected Lord Commander soon.

North of the Wall
-Holy shtein that scene straight outta Evil Dead was crazy. But farg yeah, the Children of the Forest! Pretty happy they're still around. But who's the old dude? Another one of the Children? Just the three eyed raven in human form? One of hte actual "Old Gods"?? So many questions on that storyline...But Jojen :(. Kinda sad to see him go, though I think the show never did a great job fleshing him out.

Dany
-Her story has never bored me as much in the show as it has reading it in the books, but it's definitely slowing down now. Feel bad for the Dragons getting chained up though, sucks. Not sure what the hell she's gonna do. I assumed once she got Mereen, she'd move on relatively quickly to taking on the Dothraki and then eventually moving onto the Free Cities. But it looks like this Mereen thing is gonna be a while. I still think Varys is gonna use Illyrio to get Jorah back in her good graces, not sure how though.

Arya/Brienne/The Hound
-Fuuuuck, this was the most frustrating part for me. Hated seeing The Hound go, and hated that Arya bailed on Brienne, though it makes sense why she wouldn't trust her. Great fight between her and the Hound, but really didn't want him to die. Thought he and Brienne would both make good people for Arya to learn how to fight from. As much as it sucks, it is exciting to see her on her way to Braavos. Does she continue her lessons there? Find Syrio who I'm hoping is still alive? Or does she go a step further and learn how to be a Faceless Man??
-What does Brienne do now? I assume she'll keep searching for Arya in the area before figuring out it's a lost cause. Does she continue to The Eyrie and find Sansa? Find Arya's path and follow her to Braavos??

Things not mentioned in this episode
-What the farg is going on with the Greyjoys? They've basically disappeared
-Sansa/Littlefinger, I wonder what their next move is gonna be. I think he's gotta make a major play now that Tywin is dead and Varys isn't around to sabotage him at all. Still think it's interesting that Varys told Lady Olenna that Littlefinger was extremely dangerous, and now they're allied with him.
-No mention of the Brotherhood Without Banners at all this season. Kinda sucks, I thought Thoros and his ability to bring Beric back from the dead was gonna have a bigger role in the story, but maybe there will be more to come next season...
-Didn't think we'd get any of Dorne this season, but I assume next season they're gonna be heavy players, pissed off about Oberyn's death. Should be interesting...

Oh, I know who you're talking about with Bran now.  Yeah, definitely out.  Skipping the Epilogue might be problematic because the character I'm referencing shows up after that...it's also tough to tell you where to read because with Jon's stuff, for example, we're not even through all of the 3rd book yet, whereas with Sansa/Bran, we're through all of their material.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2014, 05:54:47 AM
Due to the way the scene was filmed, there seems to be a lot of confusion about where Arya is going. Although the ship captain tells her they are planning to sail for Braavos, she asked to be taken to the North before using the coin. The ship is shown going parallel to the coast, North seemingly. When Jaqen gave her the coin, he only said it would be useful to find him, not that it would get Braavosi to do whatever she wants.

Legendz, are you saying we're already through the 4th and 5th books of material for Bran and Sansa? I guess the show would have to start making stuff up, or otherwise the next time we'll see Bran the actor will be 20 years old.

I noticed that that Old God dude told Bran that he would fly shortly after a scene where it was reported that Drogon flew away from Dany...

Due to how slowly they showed Tyrion approaching the stairs, I really thought that Jaime was betraying Tyrion at the end there, out of love for Cersei. Though I'm not really sure how you can betray someone who is about to be killed anyway. Like with the Arya scene, I'm not sure if that was intentional, or just poor direction of a scene where we are supposed to realize that Tyrion plans to kill Tywin. The "knock on the door and Varys will be there" instructions reminded me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/v/3ozLROB32K0?version=3&hl=en_US
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 16, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
not sure anyone can tell for sure where the ship is going with arya. it was still pulling out of the port so of course its going along the coast but when she went to the front of the boat the view they showed to close the scene was away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2014, 12:16:46 PM
Definitely going to Braavos, IMO. She gave him the coin, which is used to find Jaqan, right after he mentioned he was going to Braavos. Not to mention she's talked about wanting to go there a lot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 16, 2014, 12:23:02 PM
Good episode, not the best though. I can think of 5 off the top of my head that were better. Thought the ending with Arya was weak. The Tyrion scene was obviously awesome, especially on Fathers day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 16, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
Jesus christ look at all of those words that Munson typed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 16, 2014, 12:35:11 PM
i gotta agree with SD, def been better episodes. the arya scene should not have ended the season. should've ended with tyrion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 16, 2014, 05:54:47 AM
Legendz, are you saying we're already through the 4th and 5th books of material for Bran and Sansa? I guess the show would have to start making stuff up, or otherwise the next time we'll see Bran the actor will be 20 years old.

Most of it, yes.  The timeline from the book is not in sync with the show right now.  Some characters have burned through almost all of their stories and some have tons left.

Regarding your comment about the direction with Tywin and all of that (also the scene with Shae), this is a book comparison, not a spoiler but I think that is one of the things that hit harder in the books for the following reason:

[spoiler]Jaime, when freeing Tyrion, tells him that it was a debt that was owed, and then gets into the whole Tysha thing (Tyrion's first wife) and how Tywin made Jaime lie about it when Jaime was 17 or whatever he was.  Tyrion feels so betrayed by that that he tells Jaime he murdered Joffrey and Cersei has been having affairs.  So, to put it mildly, they do not part on amicable terms in the book, despite Jaime rescuing him and trying to do right by telling him what happened years ago.  THAT is what sends Tyrion up to Tywin, not some seemingly random moment where he's angry.  Then he finds Shae in bed -- again, a little more problematic in the show because Shae in the books is shown as a whore who never loved Tyrion (for the most part), whereas here it seemed an abrupt change to me after everything she's done for him.  Tyrion has been whitewashed a bit though in the show and it was still somewhat apparent there.  In the books he murders her out of cold blood, not because she had a knife.  Then the scene with Tywin unfolded similarly except it was all about Tysha, not Shae.

I think it is not a huge difference because they streamline things for the show, but the motivations are much clearer in the book for Tyrion to head up there.  Additionally, it's clear(er) in the book that Tyrion is just a completely broken person at this point because he feels Jaime betrayed him as well, and Varys is only helping because Jaime forces him, so Tyrion really has no one.  In the books it's a lighter feel, as he and Jaime part on a really uplifting note and Varys is shown to be his ally.  I'm not sure the ripple effects all that might have but there's the main difference.

Also the last scene in book3 (before the jarring Epilogue I referenced to Munson) is Littlefinger pushing Lysa Arryn.[/spoiler]

None of that should be spoilery, just how the book kept the broad strokes the same but changed a few things.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 16, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
question for the "bookers" - should i bother with book 4 or can i just read the summary and go right to book 5 ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 16, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
that's a question for yourself.

they are both rather tedious, frankly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2014, 05:40:19 PM
I like 5 much better than 4.  I re-read a few chapters from 5 that I forgot about which I genuinely enjoy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 17, 2014, 08:28:37 AM
Every single one of the ASOIAF books are tedious as shtein. Each is 800+ pages with about 650 pages of build-up and descriptions of people's meals / small clothes. That 150 pages of action and intrigue, though, usually make it worth the effort. Usually.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2014, 12:19:32 PM
pretty much anyone i ask says 5 is much better. considering the books happen at the same time i figured i'd just read the summary of 4 and go right to 5.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 17, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
Why even bother reading them if you aren't actually going to read them?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
would i miss that much of the story by not reading all of 4 ? i could always go back to it after reading 5 as we all wait until 2080 when book 6 comes out.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 17, 2014, 01:02:40 PM
I haven't read the fourth book, but there is seriously no way I would ever read the first three books of a series, skip the fourth, and then pick up with the fifth. Makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on June 17, 2014, 01:21:06 PM
That makes sense if you're reading for the joy of reading and not to study up on what's going to happen on a television show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 17, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
would i miss that much of the story by not reading all of 4 ? i could always go back to it after reading 5 as we all wait until 2080 when book 6 comes out.

The fourth and fifth books happen concurrently.  80% of the way through Dance (book 5) they sync again.

If you're going to read the books I'd recommend reading them both. 

My biggest problem is Martin got a little full of himself and world building after book 3.  So for the first time in the series you don't have a relatively finite list of POV characters throughout the whole book.  Instead you get, in addition, a handful of characters who get like two chapters. 

It's also somewhat disorienting because the first three books have such a heavy Lannister / Stark focus to spend so much time with the Martells (who are at least somewhat interesting) and the Greyjoys (who aren't).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 17, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
would i miss that much of the story by not reading all of 4 ? i could always go back to it after reading 5 as we all wait until 2080 when book 6 comes out.

The fourth and fifth books happen concurrently.  80% of the way through Dance (book 5) they sync again.

If you're going to read the books I'd recommend reading them both. 

My biggest problem is Martin got a little full of himself and world building after book 3.  So for the first time in the series you don't have a relatively finite list of POV characters throughout the whole book.  Instead you get, in addition, a handful of characters who get like two chapters. 

It's also somewhat disorienting because the first three books have such a heavy Lannister / Stark focus to spend so much time with the Martells (who are at least somewhat interesting) and the Greyjoys (who aren't).

alright, looks like i'll be reading both. i guess if i can get through tolkien's work, especially silmarillion i can get through 4 without banging my head against the wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 17, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
I've heard a lot about the Greyjoys not being interesting...any particular reason why? Is it because their story doesn't seem like it'll have a major roll in the overall story?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 17, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
The Greyjoys have a generic white roll that you could find anywhere, whereas the others have a pumpernickel blend. Very interesting and hearty rolls.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 17, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
thanks zanshin I will never look at my hoagies the same way again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2014, 08:24:42 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 17, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2014, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 17, 2014, 12:30:23 PM
would i miss that much of the story by not reading all of 4 ? i could always go back to it after reading 5 as we all wait until 2080 when book 6 comes out.

The fourth and fifth books happen concurrently.  80% of the way through Dance (book 5) they sync again.

If you're going to read the books I'd recommend reading them both. 

My biggest problem is Martin got a little full of himself and world building after book 3.  So for the first time in the series you don't have a relatively finite list of POV characters throughout the whole book.  Instead you get, in addition, a handful of characters who get like two chapters. 

It's also somewhat disorienting because the first three books have such a heavy Lannister / Stark focus to spend so much time with the Martells (who are at least somewhat interesting) and the Greyjoys (who aren't).

alright, looks like i'll be reading both. i guess if i can get through tolkien's work, especially silmarillion i can get through 4 without banging my head against the wall.

I don't think this is a spoiler, but again, to be safe, I'll code it.  It's not a spoiler because we're at the point where it's obvious who is still alive going into book4/5 (since they're concurrent) but I'll post the general POV characters in each so you can get a feel for what I'm saying:

Book 4: [spoiler]Jaime, Cersei, Brienne, 3 characters in Dorne, 3 Greyjoys, Arya, Sansa, Sam[/spoiler]
Book 5: [spoiler]Dany, Tyrion, Jon, Theon, Davos, Barristan, Asha (Yara in the show), Bran (and then a handful of one or two off chapters)[/spoiler]

Book 5 is more consolidated in terms of number of chapters each person gets and generally has more interesting storylines [spoiler]Jaime and Cersei in AFFC to me were very interesting, the rest, not as much.[/spoiler]

@Munson - I've never been terribly invested in the Greyjoy story outside of Theon and Asha (Yara).  The expansion of the Greyjoy world beyond them and into Theon's uncles and what not just didn't do anything for me.  To each his own though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 18, 2014, 02:23:33 AM
Hmm..interesting. I'm not sure how I'd feel about their uncles, but I feel like Dorne characters would be extremely interesting to read in the wake of Oberyn's death. My money is still on Dorne being Dany's first Westerosi allies.

Just in case anyone wanted an update on Gendry:
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/7bbdcb939552d1eac8922759e0ea755d/tumblr_n7c9amIy0r1r9h4heo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 24, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os

His first video of impressions was good, but these made me laugh pretty good
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 25, 2014, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 24, 2014, 12:48:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjJOcnt3os

His first video of impressions was good, but these made me laugh pretty good

1) that is well done

2) you can probably safely read the epilogue to Storm since interviews are suggesting it is entirely cut from the show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 11, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekegQVj0GDw

For the wrestling fans
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 11, 2014, 10:52:12 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 21, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/bd7A7So.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 21, 2014, 09:27:47 AM
lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on October 17, 2014, 12:43:25 PM
Cast Mr Eko (Adibisi from Oz) today.  Eko was my favorite Lost character.  Not sure what role he'll have yet but it was pretty awesome to see that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on October 29, 2014, 07:53:41 PM
The World of Ice & Fire came out yesterday and it's awesome. Legendz I imagine you'll love it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on October 29, 2014, 08:40:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EnAgPmf.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on November 06, 2014, 11:37:45 AM
No Bran next season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: MDS on November 06, 2014, 11:57:51 AM
raisin?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on November 06, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on November 06, 2014, 11:37:45 AM
No Bran next season.

Kinda would have preferred that, instead of going so far ahead in his story, they just used him sparingly last season and spent more screentime on some of the more compelling characters (couple more Oberyn scenes, perhaps?), while letting his story develop slowly in the background with only a scene here or there. They did so with Stannis, IMO, and it has worked out well.

Did you pick up World of Ice and Fire yet, Legendz?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on November 06, 2014, 12:25:35 PM
seeing mixed reviews on the The World of Ice & Fire book on amazon.

i'll end up checking it out from one of my friends.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on November 06, 2014, 01:42:53 PM
Negative (re:Ice and Fire).  I'll probably get it in a bit.  My delay probably results from anger @GRRM for taking this long for book 6.

What I've read up on, they've been making some bigger changes this year.  Two characters are spending time in a place they never go in the books [spoiler]Jaime & Bronn to Dorne[/spoiler].  Otherwise, since books 4/5 had so many tangential characters, they've had to make significant cuts.  It seems like we'll be seeing very little of Theon's family this season, whereas they are very present in the books (I think this is for the better but a lot of the book "purists" are aggravated).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on November 06, 2014, 02:02:54 PM
I was aggravated reading about the Ironborn...waste of time...the fact that they've been cut from the teevee show recommends it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on November 06, 2014, 02:40:12 PM
@legendz - i read the same thing about them. gonna be interesting to see how they play that twist.

i was just thinking about my geekness and how great it is these days with stuff like GOT, LOTRs/the hobbit and all the super hero movies. to think that in my younger days all i had were gil gerard playing buck rogers, a bunch aof farging ewoks and the movie excalibur (i have to admit as corny as it looks now i loved that movie). 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on November 06, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
If they cut the Iron Islands story line from the show completely, wouldn't that basically confirm to book readers that they read most of book 4 for nothing other than world building and it was all inconsequential to the bigger story? lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on November 06, 2014, 02:51:27 PM
It would take a pretty miraculous feat of writing to convince me that great parts of 4 and not a little of 5 weren't just Martin jerking off.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on November 06, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
Quote from: Munson on November 06, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
If they cut the Iron Islands story line from the show completely, wouldn't that basically confirm to book readers that they read most of book 4 for nothing other than world building and it was all inconsequential to the bigger story? lol

Ill try to answer in non-spoilery terms -- Victarion/Aeron/Euron are three Greyjoy uncles in the books.  HBO's site has Euron still listed in the family tree but no Victarion and Aeron.  My guess is we end up seeing some Euron inclusion next season (season 6) just merged with Victarion into one character.

What I'm rooting for is the completely insane and improbable theory that [spoiler]Euron is Daario.  I don't expect that whatsoever but I'd love it and there is at least some evidence that it's plausible in terms of appearance/timelines/story.  It would infinitely add to my interest in both characters. [/spoiler]

Other pretty prominent book characters who seem to be cut are: [spoiler]Aegon/Connington/Arianne/Quentyn[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on November 20, 2014, 07:57:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1vt9BX4Eg

Can't wait for this. They've done an awesome job with the Walking Dead game.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 22, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
So, the game is really good if you're okay with point and click, non actiony games.

Basically terrified the entire time that I was gonna say something wrong and get someone killed.

Ramsay Snow is still a prick.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on December 22, 2014, 11:53:18 PM
Should have waited a year for all the chapters. Now you've got to sit there and wait two to four months for the next part. Sucker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 23, 2014, 12:03:31 AM
lol

I did that with the first season of Walking Dead and it was awesome. Did it the other way for season 2 and it wasn't too bad. Definitely sucked at times.

I'm gonna be busy as shtein for the nest 4.5 months anyway, so I don't even know if I'll have time to play the 2nd episode when it comes out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 23, 2014, 11:48:59 AM
re-watched last season on hbo this weekend. so damn good. this show is the GOAT imo.

you'd have to be crazy to go to a royal wedding at this point in this show cause damn. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 23, 2014, 02:57:36 PM
lol true.

Which I think is also part of the reason why what the Frey's did is such a big deal...it's unheard of to do that, to offer someone bread and salt and welcome them into your home just to slaughter them.

They better get what's coming to them at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 23, 2014, 03:14:25 PM
i heard kit harington saying the jon snow character will be an even bigger focal point in the upcoming season.

also thought i heard he mention there may be more episodes ??? havent looked to confirm but ... yes please. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on December 23, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
There's only 10 episodes in Season 5. Maybe he just meant that Season 6 has already been ordered.

It seems like the big two things that are frowned upon in Westeros are violating guest right and kinslaying.

Therefore, if karma (or the gods) matters on that show, the following people probably have bad shtein coming their way:

Guest right: Walder Frey, Jaime
Kinslaying: Stannis, Tyrion, Jaime

Being the nihilist that he is, I wouldn't be shocked if Jaime was more or less immune to retribution for his trasngressions. Also, his violations aren't quite as extreme as the others. I guess the other big taboo is incest, though, and he's deep into that one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 23, 2014, 04:59:41 PM
Be interesting to see where they start. This season because there are some key events I think they did not get to.

No doubt,I'll rewatch the entire series to date when they play it before the new season starts.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 23, 2014, 07:54:37 PM
I'm slowly coming to the realization that Jaime is probably going to die at some point. His character has been redeemed in the eyes of the viewers/readers and Brienne, but he can never regain his honor in that world. No matter how the story ends, his story will always feel incomplete if he isn't either redeemed in Westeros as an honorable man, or dead...and I don't think the former is possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 23, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
The kinslaying was unique to the show.  He didn't kill his cousin in the books.  Not sure what the guest right is referencing.

How far did you read in the books Munson?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on December 24, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 23, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
Not sure what the guest right is referencing.

Pushing a host's kid out of a window.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on December 24, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
BTW, that gives Jaime kinslaying (at least on TV), breaking guest/host right (against a defenseless child), kingslaying, decades of incest and spawning incest kids.... he's hit for the cycle.

He might be a sympathetic character now, but by the laws of Westeros and the gods, he is the biggest dirtbag in the Seven Kingdoms.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 24, 2014, 12:49:46 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on December 23, 2014, 11:36:06 PM
The kinslaying was unique to the show.  He didn't kill his cousin in the books.  Not sure what the guest right is referencing.

How far did you read in the books Munson?
Still haven't read ahead. Read most of book 3 minus some of the Jon/Sam chapters at the end that you warned me to avoid haha.

Just been thinking about where he fits in the final puzzle, and I can't see him regaining his honor no matter what he does, at least not in the eyes of Westeros, which makes me think he dies at some point before the story is over.

I really love him now, so it'll suck if he doesn't make it.  It's crazy how much my feelings about him have changed since the start of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on December 24, 2014, 12:54:29 AM
I think he's on the road to redemption and will ultimately get a chance to sacrifice himself for the greater good. But then again it's GoT so he might just catch syphillis from Cersei (who fargs every blond guy in Westeros) and die.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 24, 2014, 11:37:32 AM
I forgot about Bran in terms of guest right.  I never think of it that way but I suppose it would count so that's a good call.

He's definitely interesting.  He's obviously my favorite character because I find him to be compelling and complex.  NCW does a good job with the character on the show but obviously reading inside his head in the book helps draw it out some.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 11:58:04 AM
yeah im pretty sure there is more from the 3rd book that will need to be brought up. im not reading books 4 & 5. not just because of the cold reviews i have seen but i want to watch the rest of the series not knowing whats coming next.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 24, 2014, 12:16:10 PM
Most people I've talked to said initially that they liked 5 the least, but as time went on the ended up liking it more than Feast. I'm excited for this season to happen, but also excited because it'll mean I can finally read on, since they'll presumably get the rest of book 3 done and most of book 4 and 5 (that isn't Greyjoy)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
i'll probably read 4 & 5 after the series ends. again eventhough the crazy events of the red & purple weddings were shocking to see on screen, knowing about them ahead of time def took some of the wow factor away.


on an unrelated note - i got silmarillion on google play books and started reading it again. got 1/2 way through last time before i got frustrated. this time its def easier to follow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 24, 2014, 12:45:34 PM
5 is definitely better than 4.  They're both too sprawling though with too many POV characters.

The show is apparently really streamlining them into this one season which is a good thing.   Jaime's storyline though coming up (based on filming reports) is wildly different than in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
i do know jaime's story is being changed big time. the new storyline seems like it could be a real good one though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 24, 2014, 12:55:09 PM
Quote from: smeags on December 23, 2014, 04:59:41 PM
Be interesting to see where they start. This season because there are some key events I think they did not get to.

No doubt,I'll rewatch the entire series to date when they play it before the new season starts.

They're opening the season on a flashback - the first of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
are there any trailers out there for this season ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on December 24, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
Nope that was a story in EW. 

Trailer last year came out mid-January so that's probably when the first will arrive.  They're done shooting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 01:55:07 PM
Does everyone here know where Jamie is going in the show? Don't wanna spoil anything.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on December 24, 2014, 02:28:34 PM
No clue but I'm happy to not read this thread ever again so go nuts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 24, 2014, 03:01:06 PM
Your miserable attitude is refreshing. You must be a Northerner.

I have no idea where Jaime is going. I do know that everyone is saying they may be changing his story to take the place of another character in the books that hasn't been introduced yet. They've done that with a lot of characters, so it makes sense. I still have no idea what any of it means, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 24, 2014, 03:20:24 PM
I have heard a couple different angles. One that got me thinking from another board was the idea that he goes to dorn for his niece. Would make for some interesting situations for sure but how would get out the alive
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 29, 2015, 04:13:25 PM
Going tomorrow night at 10PM to catch eps 9 and 10 in IMAX and then see the trailer. :yay
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 30, 2015, 09:28:17 AM
Heard it was pretty impressive in IMAX.

edited, HD version of season 5 trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0pLbTXPHng&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on January 30, 2015, 10:05:50 AM
I saw exactly zero titties, boorring
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 30, 2015, 04:52:08 PM
Refusing to watch until after I see tonight's.


Watchers On the Wall is going to be awesome in IMAX.

A couple I'm friends with were way behind finally decided to catch up. The guy had the Red Wedding spoiled for him, but the girl did not, so she expierienced the Red Wedding and Oberyn vs. The Mountain in about a 3 week span lol. But they timed it perfectly and finished up S4ep8 last week, so they're gonna see 9 and 10 for the first time in IMAX.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 31, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Some reactions to the trailer...

[spoiler]
-Bronn and Jaime together, looks like in Dorne. I would imagine Jaime is going there on a peacekeeping mission after Oberyn was killed, but Bronn's doing some fighting and it looks like Jaime is too.

-I was surprised at how much Ellaria there was in this trailer. We saw her two or three times very quickly...I thought the Sand Snake daughters we'd be meeting weren't her daughters, but Oberyns older ones from different women. But I guess they all loved Oberyn and all want some sort of revenge. Speaking of the Sand Snakes, no idea who's head is stuck in the sand there when one of them whips that bucket and Ellaria is standing there. Someone from Kings Landing that they're taking out their anger on?

-Holy shtein at Varys telling Tyrion he wants him to help Dany. I mean, my guess was that's where Tyrion's story was heading, but didn't think it'd be so direct or so quickly stated. Also kind of assumed Varys would stay in Essos, but surprised by it all the same. His disappearing along with Tyrion would probably mean he gets blamed for Tywin's death, so he kind of loses that inside line to the Red Keep that he had. Makes it harder for him to help Dany...

-Speaking of Dany, what the farg is going on. Mereen looks like it's falling apart, meanwhile she's in an arena surrounded by her unsullied, who are in turn surrounded by a lot of angry looking people with weapons and wearing gold masks...

-...and in that circle is Jorah, but I don't spot Ser Barristan. WTF is going on? Jorah was also fighting somebody one on one earlier in the trailer it appeared.

-I can't tell if Stannis is staying at the wall or what. It almost looks like Jon leads a host of free folk against a town of free folk. No idea how that's happening. Speaking of the North, the pictures posted show Roose and Ramsay and Fat Walda standing as if they're greeting someone, a noble of some sort. Who the hell is going to Winterfell at this point that's worth Roose greeting peacefully? The pictures they released on their facebook also show Stannis holding court with Jon and Ser Davos. The Wall might end up being my favorite story line this year.

-No idea at all what's going on with Arya or Sansa. Zero. I mean I know what I assume Arya is doing, going to the Faceless Men to find Jaqen and maybe train or something...but the previews gave us very little to guess her story, IMO.

-The "gift" that is opening in front of Cersei...a Red Viper. Doran sending some messages? Ellaria? the Sand Snakes?

-Lady Olena saying to someone unknown "They'll never even find what's left of you." Who is in Highgarden that she is threatening? Or did she go back to King's Landing?

-Drogon looks huge...and that was only his head. Wonder how Dany's gonna get him under control, if she can.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 09, 2015, 04:40:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VQ6vyQuX7c
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 09, 2015, 05:28:18 PM
Other one was ok but that's how you do a trailer for the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 09, 2015, 05:38:56 PM
Love hearing [spoiler]Roose confirm my suspicions for this season. Hoping for some swift, Stannis-like justice being brought down on him.[/spoiler] Not as happy hearing [spoiler]Dany still hating on the Starks. Her view of them is so skewed. However, i don't blame her for bringing hate to all the houses equally. I'm hoping Varys vouches for Ned, saying he was the only one who advised against killing Dany[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 06, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
Debuts Sunday. 

Accidentally found out today that 3 characters who are still alive in the books are all offed within the first four episodes sent to critics as screeners.  Oops.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 06, 2015, 11:14:23 AM
Jesus. Gonna be a bloody start to the season it sounds like.

There's still a lot of 'minor' characters that could bite it.

In the trailer we saw his wife Selyse looking super upset and crying on the ground....Really hope that bitch Melisandre doesn't try to sacrifice Shireen. I think it would be a huge tactical mistake for Stannis to allow that at Castle Black, the Watch and I'm sure many others would not go for a King who kills his own daughter.

But I think we're gonna have to see a character or two at the wall go. Just hopefully not Shireen.

I still don't like that we can't see Ser Barristan in the trailer shots of Dany getting surrounded by the crazy gold masked people. I hope he hasn't bit the dust yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 06, 2015, 11:40:11 AM
None of the 3 are minor.  Wouldn't say they were major per se but they're all more than bit roles.  The third one though there seems to be some conflicting reports between dead and severely wounded.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on April 07, 2015, 08:50:21 AM
I guess its because I haven't invested the time to read the books, but whenever Munson spells out names I zone out.  More titties, less words
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2015, 10:53:10 AM
Lol maybe we'll just stick with pictures like I do with my 2nd graders:

Ser Barristan:
(https://gameofthronesepisodereview.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/screen-shot-2013-04-01-at-1-03-29-am.png)

Shireen:
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130624205210/gameofthrones/images/b/b7/Shireen_Baratheon.png)

Melisandre (You've seen her titties)
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120423194503/gameofthrones/images/archive/8/81/20120423194718!Melisandre_slider.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 07, 2015, 12:44:45 PM
lmao this is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BabsgCQhpu4
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 07, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Yea that was actually very funny
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
Greenwald is probably my favorite TV critic (though I think he overstates how good The Americans is).  His spoiler free review:

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/game-on-the-most-entertaining-show-on-television-returns-different-but-better-than-ever/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
I rewatched the entire series, finished up last night. Surprised I thought I missed some stuff because of all the storylines but I got it all. The Oberyn/Mountain fight is one of the greatest scenes in television history.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 09, 2015, 11:39:07 AM
that was interesting the part about Martin being salty that he's being left behind, so to speak.

get off your ass and finish your farging books dude.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 09, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
I rewatched the entire series, finished up last night. Surprised I thought I missed some stuff because of all the storylines but I got it all. The Oberyn/Mountain fight is one of the greatest scenes in television history.

i always say i'm going to re-watch the previous season before a new one but i never do, so i'm usually lost for awhile because my memory sucks
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 11:49:27 AM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
I rewatched the entire series, finished up last night. Surprised I thought I missed some stuff because of all the storylines but I got it all. The Oberyn/Mountain fight is one of the greatest scenes in television history.

I think season 1 is interesting on a rewatch (like the initial book is interesting to reread) because it's all presented from a Stark perspective that is somewhat skewed.  You're setup to think the Lannisters are evil because of what the Starks think plus how episode 1 ends with Jaime tossing Bran.  The Lannisters are never as "good" as the Starks, but a lot of things put at their feet in the very beginning of the show they aren't responsible for (Jon Arryn's death, the assassin who showed up to kill Bran, even things like Ned's condescension towards Jaime about the Mad King is viewed in a different light after knowing what is revealed later about why Jaime killed him).

It doesn't completely turn the series on its head - Jaime certainly isn't a "good guy" especially early on, Cersei is still conniving etc but it's not so simple as the black and white picture that's intentionally misrepresented in season 1 early on. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:55:49 AM
Quotethe assassin who showed up to kill Bran,

I thought that was Cersei/Jaimie's doing to keep him from talking about what he saw in the tower. They never explain the attempt further in the show (that I saw). Who orders the assasination attempt then?

Jaimie is a redemption story. He is evil the first few seasons (throws Bran out the window, murders his cousin to save his own skin, bunch of other stuff I'm probably forgetting). Like most women, Cersei is his downfall that leads him to his bad traits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:55:49 AM
Quotethe assassin who showed up to kill Bran,

I thought that was Cersei/Jaimie's doing to keep him from talking about what he saw in the tower. They never explain the attempt further in the show (that I saw). Who orders the assasination attempt then?

Jaimie is a redemption story. He is evil the first few seasons (throws Bran out the window, murders his cousin to save his own skin, bunch of other stuff I'm probably forgetting). Like most women, Cersei is his downfall that leads him to his bad traits.

No but the show basically drops it.  They've bypassed all opportunities to reveal what happened there and it's not critical to the overall story so I doubt it'll be addressed again.   In book 2 Jaime says to Catelyn after she accused him of it that he's killed lots of people but he's never once sent someone to do his own killing for him.

Joffrey sends the assassin (after hearing Robert say it would be a mercy as Bran will be a cripple).  Jaime and Cersei have nothing to do with it.

I do agree that Jaime is a quasi-redemptive arc (though they may have unintentionally butchered that somewhat with how they choreographed the sex scene last season.  I do think there's competing issues though - Jaime definitely rediscovers a sense of honor through Brienne that had been dead in him because of his sense of cynicism and nihilism.   That being said, part of him has always been fundamentally the same...he has always been willing to go great lengths in service of good and evil to protect those he cares about.  The actions just seem good because Brienne and Tyrion are "good" whereas Cersei isn't.  I think his line in the show at the end of episode 1 is true "the things I do for love".  Sometimes those things are good, sometimes they aren't.  But I do agree some of his belief in honor has been restored.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
The assassin is one of a few things from the books that the show initially decided to include without returning to the plotline for the payoff later. Another one that comes to mind is the story of Tyrion's first wife.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 09, 2015, 02:22:16 PM
im pumped for sunday.
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 11:30:21 AM
I rewatched the entire series, finished up last night. Surprised I thought I missed some stuff because of all the storylines but I got it all. The Oberyn/Mountain fight is one of the greatest scenes in television history.

did the same. has me pumped for sunday. agree with the that fight scene. not sure about anyone else but i was cheering oberyn like i was at a game.

who didnt say yeah mothrfarger when he took the mountain down only to see him lose at the end. pretty much like the reid era.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
Season 4 was one of the greatest seasons of any show, ever. I really have zero interest in the fantasy genre, but the first three seasons were good enough to transcend genre for me. The fourth season was spectacular, epic television, and now I'm obsessed with it to the point where I read the first three books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 04:09:42 PM
Yeah Sunday coming is like the beginning of football season to me, I get that geeked out over it.  It's amplified more knowing they're veering off from the books so more of it will be new to me too.

I was worried about this season because books 4 and 5 are just not as good, but sepinwall and greenwald (and others) both said its a great start (though, like any other start, I've seen it's slower with regard to set pieces).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 09, 2015, 04:15:57 PM
yeah this season is going to be great not knowing anything that is coming.


ps - i'm  glad im not the only that gets this geeked out over the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 09, 2015, 04:37:56 PM
Re: the assassin sent to kill Bran--Didn't the show still have Joffery drop the "I'm no stranger to valyrian steel" line when Tywin gave him the sword as a wedding gift? I feel like he definitely said it, but they didn't do anything with it. Maybe I'm just imagining it.

Sunny--If you have nothing to do Sunday, they're gonna marathon the entire Season 4 starting at 11 AM leading up to the new episode. They did the first 3 seasons the last 3 sundays.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 09, 2015, 04:41:04 PM
good to know... of course i'll probably be sick of the show by the time the new ep comes on. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 09, 2015, 04:37:56 PM
Re: the assassin sent to kill Bran--Didn't the show still have Joffery drop the "I'm no stranger to valyrian steel" line when Tywin gave him the sword as a wedding gift? I feel like he definitely said it, but they didn't do anything with it. Maybe I'm just imagining it.

Nah, that's just the book. In truth I felt that line was a rather lame pretext to have Tyrion suddenly think back to Book 1 and reach a conclusion (and also rather lame to have Jaime independently deduce it a few chapters later, too). Maybe the show would have edited out the assassination attempt entirely if it hadn't been needed to advance the main plot.

I think the wedding gift scene works better on the show than in the book. [No offense to Martin, as he wrote the episode too.] I enjoyed the one time per season they have Joffrey say something uncharacteristically kind, only for him to undo it quickly. Actually I would say the whole wedding was better done on the show. Joffrey's cruelty is somehow even more amplified, Tyrion's barbs back to Joff are harder hitting, and the show gets to show some fun combinations of non-POV characters. Just seeing pissed-off Varys getting conked on the head during the "War of the Five Kings" act is worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 09, 2015, 06:58:39 PM
Are the books worth reading? I'm so invested in the show I almost feel like they'd ruin it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 07:06:17 PM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 06:58:39 PM
Are the books worth reading? I'm so invested in the show I almost feel like they'd ruin it.

I've enjoyed them. I've actually listened to them as audio books on my commute.

You get extra depth on some of the characters, and a few fun side characters who didn't make it into the show. Also you can see where the show writers have improved on or detracted from the source material. Some of the book-first people might disagree, but I think the adaptation choices have been largely successful to this point.

I don't intend to read ahead of the TV show. I think a couple chapters at the end of Book 3 are ahead of where the show is now (not by much, I'm guessing), but otherwise the first three books are good to go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
I still love the books but the show has made smart decisions for the most part. 

You get a lot of interesting history and backstory from the books that the show just doesn't have time to get into, especially with things like Rhaegar and the kingsguard.   

It's also interesting just to compare where things improved character wise (Tywin/Varys to me) or didn't (Jon/Stannis).  Dany is equally whiny and entitled to me both on the show and books (after season 1 anyway).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 09, 2015, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 06:58:39 PM
Are the books worth reading? I'm so invested in the show I almost feel like they'd ruin it.

Yes.

I say that with some qualms, as Martin over-indulges himself with ever expanding character/plot additions in 4 and 5, but I'll still read the next one when it's finally published, so yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 08:42:27 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 07:53:44 PMIt's also interesting just to compare where things improved character wise (Tywin/Varys to me) or didn't (Jon/Stannis).  Dany is equally whiny and entitled to me both on the show and books (after season 1 anyway).

I agree with all of these. Show Tywin and Varys are incredible. Show Jon is finally starting to grow on me, but he's an overwhelmingly epic character in the books. Stannis seems much more conflicted in the books (although I do like the casting/acting of Stephen Dillane). The Danaerys storyline in both bores the hell out of me after Season/Book 1. Leave the farging slave cities already.

I love everything they've done with Arya and the Hound. I can't imagine a better adaptation of those characters.

Book Tyrion is both much more physically mutilated and morally ambiguous. Both directions have their merits, but I think a straight adaptation would have made him a much less popular character.

Although it's still quite subtle (since the chapters are told from her perspective), I think the books did a better job of hinting at just how many times Catelyn completely farged up and ruined things for her family, while trying to do her idea of the right thing. You might like that angle, SD.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 08:49:52 PM
Catelyn is better in the books.  More rational...her decision for freeing Jaime made more sense.  Michelle Fairley was good in the show but she's better in the books.

Dillane is good as Stannis but the Dragonstone writing isn't as sharp as the rest of the series.  It also was clear in the books, I thought, that Stannis used Mel equally as often as she uses him.  She's a useful tool to further his ends in the books.  I think the show veers a bit too much into putting him under her thumb.

They definitely make a few more characters "good" in the show.  Book Tyrion has some serious flaws that are entirely whitewashed on the show.  You could make a very arguable point that by book four he's more grey than Jaime in the book in terms of their track, but the show doesn't want him doing anything that's immoral really.  Same with Varys who is decidedly more of a good guy on the show.  To be fair though, Cersei is more nuanced and interesting on the show.  I feel like she's pretty crazy in the books, and while far from a "good" character in the show, she's sympathetic at times. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 09, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
I heard in the books Robb never actually speaks in first person he's just talked about. That is odd to me since he was such a major character.

Also felt the Hound got s bad deal. Sure he did some zesty things but he saved both Stark girls.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 09, 2015, 08:56:07 PM
each chapter is told from a character's point of view. Robb is the only Stark to not have a POV other than Rickon.  GRRM said he didn't want a point of view directly from any of the kings.   But yeah he's not a minor book character but he's also not as major of one as the show depicts.  The Red Wedding is told from Catelyn's perspective.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 09, 2015, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: SD on April 09, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
I heard in the books Robb never actually speaks in first person he's just talked about. That is odd to me since he was such a major character.

He has dialogue but he is not a "POV character" as Legendz described.

It's a really great device for keeping the very long books fresh and for getting across character traits like Sansa's naivete and Jaime's nihilism. A lot of things are referred to as "stupid" in Arya's chapters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 09, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
I think the show runners also said that they decided to make Robb a more central character after the fan reaction to him was so positive, and Madden did a great job with the character.

By far the best change the show made from the books so far IMO that I was reminded of a couple sundays ago was putting Arya and Tywin together in Harrenhal. Their scenes together were fantastic and still some of the best of the series to date. "Anyone can be killed."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 10, 2015, 09:06:11 AM
59hrs 55mins till i get my geek on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 12, 2015, 07:26:50 PM
First 4 episodes are available on a hack site. I'd rather wait
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 12, 2015, 08:01:18 PM
Apparently zesty quality + if you watch now it's a month long wait until the next new one.  Rather it a week at a time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: MDS on April 12, 2015, 08:19:58 PM
can someone tell me why they talk with english accents if it takes place in some made up neverworld
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 12, 2015, 08:30:47 PM
Can someone tell me why there are humans in it if it takes place in some made up neverworld


About a half hour left. Wondering what storylines we're definitely going to get this week. Tyrion and Dany seem like a must. Probably Jon/Stannis at the wall as well, and Jaime/Cersei/Kings Landing. Not sure if we'll see the Boltons, Littlefinger/Sansa, Martell's/Dorne or Arya this week. Maybe a little bit of Arya on the boat, but doubt she lands in Braavos yet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on April 12, 2015, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 12, 2015, 08:19:58 PM
can someone tell me why they talk with english accents if it takes place in some made up neverworld

All fantasy settings are in Fake England with nearby tundras, deserts, jungles, and sometimes a Fake China where everyone also speaks with a Fake English accent.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 12, 2015, 09:55:19 PM
That hour went way too quick
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on April 12, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
I've only seen a few of the first season episodes, but I recall Scottish accents.  Am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 12, 2015, 09:58:58 PM
I only hear West Baltimore accents
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 12, 2015, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: Diomedes on April 12, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
I've only seen a few of the first season episodes, but I recall Scottish accents.  Am I mistaken?

North of Dorne, I think all the accents are supposed to be basically mapped onto England. So in the north, they are supposed to talk like Yorkshire (which native Sean Bean achieves, but basically no one else in his family does). In Kings Landing, it's Received Pronunciation for all the nobles.

The actors vary in their success at achieving this. Even though most of the actors are British, many of them are supposed to be using non-native accents. Some don't particularly try. And of course Tyrion sounds like an American doing a particularly weird and bad English accent (yet it somehow works).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 13, 2015, 08:40:43 AM
the people from the iron bank sound like new york jewish folk.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2015, 07:01:25 PM
I gave in and watched the other 3 because yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 16, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2015, 07:01:25 PM
I gave in and watched the other 3 because yeah.

zesty quality?

I'm staying patient
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 16, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
nah the quality was pretty good...not as good as it'll be on TV obviously but it was solid.  I won't say anything about what I watched other than they are seriously diverging from the books & that each episode is better than the last (2 is more of a table setter still like the premiere whereas 4 is really good).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 16, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
Quote from: MDS on April 12, 2015, 08:19:58 PM
can someone tell me why they talk with english accents if it takes place in some made up neverworld

Because Star Wars.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 19, 2015, 10:45:09 PM
What the farg, Jon Snow. Take the goddamn offer from Stannis. :boom
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 01:25:02 AM
Kind of a mess of an episode. Tried to pack in too many things. Not really sure why Arya had to wait a day to get into the House of Black and White. The Night's Watch election storyline felt rushed. Other than the chat with Selmy about the Mad King, the Mereen stuff is kinda boring me too. Dany needs the advice of a friend... a friend from deep in the friendzone.

I rather enjoyed the Sansa-Littlefinger scene, Stannis offering Jon Winterfell (again something they should have played out longer than the 10 seconds between when it was offered and when Jon said he wouldn't accept), and hearing from Kevan Lannister. But overall, not one of the best of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 20, 2015, 09:06:42 AM
def a rushed episode. table seems to be set for the next 8 shows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 20, 2015, 09:34:20 AM
I didn't think it was that rushed but as I said before the episode, definitely had more of a season opener feel to it like the first episode was 1a and this was 1b.  Glad Jaqen is back, Bronn and Jaime should be fun, and liked Kevan's role at the small council.   Still find it hard to care too much about Brienne and Pod even though there's nothing necessarily wrong with those scenes.

Kit has been much better this year as Jon.   I get the reasoning for grouping Stannis' offer back to back with the LC election, but it had the effect of tempering the gravity of just what Stannis was offering him. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 20, 2015, 09:45:17 AM
the jamie/bronn storyline looks to be one that will be a fun ride for fans. who didnt like cersei having her lil diva act thrown right back in her face ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 20, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Everything that's happened at the wall has been rushed. That scene voting for the new commander was a joke as was everything about Snow getting the option to be a Stark. The first two episodes have been straight dookie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 20, 2015, 10:32:56 AM
i like that there's a guy named kevin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 06:24:38 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 20, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Everything that's happened at the wall has been rushed. That scene voting for the new commander was a joke as was everything about Snow getting the option to be a Stark.

Yeah it took Jon like half a season just to make any friends. Now they cram him being shockingly elevated to the leader of the whole Watch into one far-inferior-to-the-book scene, and have him dismiss his lifelong wish in 10 seconds. These are two of the biggest events of his life. I think they spent more time than this showing Loras' ass in the last episode.

I guess it's all a consequence of saving the Battle of Castle Black for the climactic Ep 9 spot last year. Now they are far behind the other parts of the story and are trying to play catch-up. Meanwhile Jon Snow did farg-all for the majority of last season. If you're gonna get away from the books, then you might as well get away from trying to play catch-up and just let things develop naturally. D&D are good enough writers to work the timing out better than this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 06:45:51 PM
While we're on timing, does anyone have any idea who holds Riverrun at this point in the show? Overrun with Freys, held by the Blackfish, or what? The Brotherhood Without Banners hasn't done anything in two years and Balon Greyjoy hasn't done anything in more than two years. These are very patient War of the Five Kings factions that don't even see Tywin's death as a good time to make a move.

I wonder if this stuff is permanently abandoned or just on pause while the show moves down to Dorne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2015, 06:47:24 PM
I don't think it's the end of either situation. The previews for next week show Stannis telling Jon he's not safe. I'm guessing we have more politics surrounding both ideas next week. Stannis is gonna keep trying to convince Jon, while Alliser Thorne maybe threatens his life.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 06:51:02 PM
Jon keeps pissing all over everything Stannis is trying to do. Dude has to be getting frustrated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2015, 06:53:31 PM
I was so pissed at Jon for turning it down. I get the reasons why, but farg, come on Snow. Be the new Stark in Winterfell, help Stannis kick the shtein out of the Boltons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2015, 06:53:31 PM
I was so pissed at Jon for turning it down. I get the reasons why, but farg, come on Snow. Be the new Stark in Winterfell, help Stannis kick the shtein out of the Boltons.


I felt that it was an easier decision to make in Storm of Swords, even though that offer came with a couple untenable stipulations. And THAT Jon Snow gave the significantly worse offer significantly more consideration.  I haven't read books 4 and 5, so I don't know where this is going, but I guess Rickon will eventually be the Stark in Winterfell. I think he gets precedence over his sisters in Westeros society. I figure Bran will be all farged up and wired into a tree.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 20, 2015, 07:36:54 PM
Wasn't a fan of the end. Danaerys is a savior who freed the slaves and opts for peace and she beheads a guy in public? Makes no sense politically.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2015, 07:42:27 PM
She's making a lot of the same mistakes as Robb was in S3 right now...choosing "justice" over maybe doing the smart thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 20, 2015, 07:59:47 PM
Yeah, Dany pulled a Joffrey there.

I meant to do an over/under on the number of necks we see blood spurt out of this season. I was curious given the sharp drop off from about 700 in the first 2 seasons. Seems to be back on track now. I was going to set the o/u at 6 but now it definitely looks like the over.


Anyone else find it interesting how in the witch scene, Maggie the Frog's valonqar prophesy was left out in the show? Might be the most important one. And that Cersie is at the top of Arya's list? And how her list has now shrunk down to 4, maybe 3? And why did Jaqen h'Ghar have his old face instead of the presumably new one he revealed? I thought the new guy looked far more the part.

I like that the show isn't predictable as per the books but I hope D/D are really looking ahead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 20, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 20, 2015, 07:59:47 PM
And how her list has now shrunk down to 4, maybe 3?

They probably had to take guys out like Thoros of Myr because D&D hope that we are forgetting that dude, because he's not coming back to the show ever.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 20, 2015, 09:38:48 PM
I don't remember Thoros ever on her list. But yeah, that's what I meant about D&D planning ahead. Why put her on the list if they are just going to forget him? If they aren't working closely in concert with JRRM in terms of what he will write in the coming books they could find themselves irreparably at odds with how book story lines go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 20, 2015, 09:39:39 PM
Most of the people on her list died.

I think she only named Beric and Thoros on there once, maybe she's just realized they're not worth the time or trouble after all the shtein she's seen/been through since leaving the Brotherhood.

I'd be pretty upset if the Brotherhood doesn't at least get a mention. Though I think it'd be pretty easy to write off their existence as just something that happened in response to the war, which is more or less on hold at the moment. Though you would think with all the crazy shtein happening with Melisandre that Thoros' ability to bring Beric back might have played into the overall plot at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 20, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
With all the winnowing of characters and houses it seems that ultimately all the lines will be converging, and it would be great to see Thoros and his flaming sword working with Melisandra. I think it added to the Thoros character and the story in a subtle way that he had these supernatural abilities bestowed on him seemingly undeservedly and without faith. It stands in stark (no pun intended) comparison to everything Melissandra preaches about what one needs to have to be 'saved' or find favor with their god.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 21, 2015, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 20, 2015, 09:39:39 PM
Most of the people on her list died.

I think she only named Beric and Thoros on there once, maybe she's just realized they're not worth the time or trouble after all the shtein she's seen/been through since leaving the Brotherhood.

I'd be pretty upset if the Brotherhood doesn't at least get a mention. Though I think it'd be pretty easy to write off their existence as just something that happened in response to the war, which is more or less on hold at the moment. Though you would think with all the crazy shtein happening with Melisandre that Thoros' ability to bring Beric back might have played into the overall plot at some point.

the brotherhood certainly had more of a part in the end of book 3 with another main character (dont want to say the name just in case this storyline wasnt chopped completely)

would actually like to see that plot play out.

didnt hate the first two episodes by any means but they felt rushed to me, again mostly jon snow's situation. have a feeling the next two shows will put this season into high gear. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2015, 12:24:10 AM
Not much action tonight but thought there were lots of great lines.

I have been consistently critical of Aidan Gillen as LF but he has been good this year and his scene with Roose was very good.  They're also doing better by Stannis so far this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 27, 2015, 12:38:49 AM
Thought tonight's episode was great.

No idea what the farg Littlefinger's angle is here (outside, of course, of getting more power to Littlefinger). Roose obviously believes he's forming an alliance. But does Littlefinger truly expect Sansa to avenge her family? And would she go as far as killing Roose or Ramsey? Littlefinger saying he doesn't know much about Ramsey is a little scary...he could be putting Sansa into danger he doesn't realize. So, Littlefinger, Lord of the Vale, is outwardly aligned with the Lannisters, and secretly aligned with both the Tyrells and the Boltons. Have no idea what to think of all this.

The Wall scenes were great. So happy Janos Slynt finally got what was coming to him, 4 seasons later. So fitting that Jon took his head. I only wish he knew just how much revenge he got with the stroke of that sword. Was about to say that I wanted to see a scene between Davos and Jon, I'm glad we got one. Jon definitely seems seriously conflicted after what Davos said. I can't see him leaving his post as Lord Commander, but maybe he rides with Stannis for Winterfell to help him take it? Also, now that Sansa is at Winterfell, I have become much less enthusiastic about Stannis sacking the shtein out of it.

Lol at the Tyrion/Varys scenes. Drunk Jorah shows up..I'm guessing when he says "The queen", he means Cersei, as I don't think he would think having tyrion would get him back in the good graces of Dany....but who knows.

I know Margery is playing Tommen hard for the sake of her family, but I get the feeling she does actually like him. They could actually be a good king and queen if the world wasn't falling apart around them. I lol'd hard at Margery pretending to like Cersei, both to Tommen and to Cersei's face. Lol at telling Cersei that her son fargs like a champ. Awkward.

No idea what's going on with Arya and that weird chick in the House of Black and White. Don't really have much to say other than I'm glad she found a way to keep Needle. Need more info on this next week.

Was kind of surprised we got no Dany this week, though it makes sense. Don't wanna stretch it out too thin.

Brienne and Pod was a nice scene/story. Though now I'm realizing Brienne is converging on Winterfell at the same time that Stannis is...hopefully she doesn't die trying to do something dumb like kill Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 27, 2015, 04:24:21 AM
I get the opposite of Margery. She's like..."Ooh, look what time it is, (yawn), maybe you can get some Hoyda tomorrow my horny young husband? Let me quickly put my clothes back on and hide this sweet ass of mine so that hbionic can unpause the show and zip his shorts back up and let us get on with the scene".

She's definitely not into him. Almost like a scene from my sex life between wifey and I. 'Cept wifey usually has most of her clothes on and she doesn't make that stupid ass duck face Margery does.

Yeah, Margery...what a sweet ass! Amirite?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on April 27, 2015, 04:26:31 AM
And oh yeah, Tyrion is farged!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 27, 2015, 06:26:20 AM
As far as following the books, the show is now off the reservation, but I like that you never know what to expect. 

One of the show's strengths is finding good actors, especially the child actors, and seems to hit again with the kid who plays Tommen.

That vaguely gollum-like priestess suggests that the followers of R'Hllor are squarely backing Dany as the savior, at least in Volantis. Small wonder given their obsession with fire. That would seem to make Stannis and Melissandra in Westeros a natural ally with Dany and the people of Essos when the big battle of ice and fire goes down. Except that Stannis declared himself king as did Dany queen, and the Iron Throne isn't big enough for the both of them. Or is it? Those red priestesses do like their monarch-savior proclamations. Wonder how that will shake out.

Definitely the over on the number of necks we see blood spurting out of this season. I think we're over 1 per episode pace.

I wasn't put off as much as others with how rushed some story lines have been until this episode. The royal wedding was absurd. It was out of the blue and like what, 45 seconds? I could see why maybe Olena would arrange to not be there, but not even a contingent from Highgarden? No feast? I get that after Joffrey and Tywin's death it wouldn't be a huge gala affair but still, it gave an unrealistic sense to everything. I think they really should have made this season into two. They are gutting a lot of good parts out, plus it would give GRRM another year to catch up.

Did Natalie Dormer (Margaery) make a no-more-nude-scenes decision like Emelia Clarke?



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2015, 08:08:47 AM
I think they probably didn't want her really naked that scene given Tommen is supposed to be 15 or something in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 27, 2015, 08:40:10 AM
so i read on twitter that last night was when the show really starts to jump away from the books.  does someone know why?  i don't really care, just curious. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2015, 08:44:07 AM
Book plot differences - [spoiler]Littlefinger doesn't go to Winterfell with Sansa.   He has a far more complicated plot with a side character who isn't in the show to marry Sansa to and not Ramsay.  The Boltons in the books set up a sham marriage to "Arya" who isn't Arya to try to give them legitimacy.  They're merging those storylines. 

Also Brienne isn't following them, she's on a pointless meandering side quest in the books and certainly makes no reference to killing Stannis.  Brienne, Jaime to Dorne, and especially the Littlefinger/Sansa/Bolton thing are big departures from the books.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 27, 2015, 08:45:49 AM
thanks Legendz.  i read the books until Feast and just couldn't get through it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 27, 2015, 08:59:02 AM
Not a problem.  Also big book difference from episode 1--  [spoiler]Mance is still alive[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 27, 2015, 09:00:56 AM
i like where the show is going. def off the books. still wondering if jon takes the stark name and ends up with danys in the end. just my theory.

between now and where the show/books end up i just hope to see ramsey killed slowly and painfully. i really cant stand that mofo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 27, 2015, 09:07:14 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 27, 2015, 06:26:20 AM

Did Natalie Dormer (Margaery) make a no-more-nude-scenes decision like Emelia Clarke?

I'll never understand this line of thinking, if you got naked once you might as well get naked again. Cats out of the bag. It's like a girl who bangs you but the next time you hang out she doesn't bang you because she doesn't want you to think she's a whore. It's like yo babe we already nailed you not banging me now is not going to change my opinion of you.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on April 27, 2015, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: SD on April 27, 2015, 09:07:14 AMIt's like yo babe we already nailed you not banging me now is not going to change my opinion of you.

is that Shakespeare?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2015, 08:51:43 PM
Pumped for tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 03, 2015, 08:57:27 PM
My reaction if anyone I like dies tonight:
(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/the-avengers-angry-hulk-smash-loki.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 03, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
........Goddammit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 03, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 03, 2015, 09:58:59 PM
........Goddammit.

shtein... the last likable character in Meereen.

Also Shireen is clearly being set up to shed some king's blood.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 03, 2015, 10:26:03 PM
Seriously...another ending where i'm yelling what the farg at the tv.

Barristan was my ace in the hole in helping bring Dany together with future Warden of the North Bran Stark, as he could have told Dany that the Starks weren't all that bad and she can stop being all pissy about them. Plus, I just liked him.

He and Grey Worm did kick a lot of ass in that fight. I'm hoping they both survived, but it's looking like from the previews for next week that Barristan is definitely dead. Hopefully Grey Worm makes it...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 03, 2015, 10:31:15 PM
Thoughts on everything else.

The Wall-A lot of wtf going on up here. Seemed like Lady M was trying to get a shadow baby out of Jon. Jon seems to be leaning towards going with Stannis to at least help with the attack. Weirded out by Lady M's "you know nothing Jon Snow". Stannis is a good dad, though it seems like Lady M and the Queen are plotting to take some King's blood from Shireen. shtein better not go down.

Sansa/Winterfell-Interesting conversation between her and Littlefinger. Liked getting the story about the Tourny at Harrenhall. Littlefinger said he "bets on Stannis"...wonder if that means he's been in contact with him. at least to let him know Sansa was in Winterfell. If so, dude's double crossing like 4 different families at the moment.

Jaime/Bronn-Was cringing throughout the whole fight because I thought they might kill Bronn. But, turns out he's just as badass as ever. Lol at "That one should be slow enough for you. Also major lol at Jaime catching the sword, the look on his face, and then trying to get it unstuck afterwards. "You had a great teacher", another lol. Not sure why Jaime is getting all pissy at Tyrion for killing Tywin...I assume that's Cersei talking.

Kings Landing-So Tommen doesn't quite know how to use his position as King to get what he wants. Margery not too happy, calling in the cavalry aka Lady Olenna. Lol at "will you be back later". Not sure if Cersei realizes the Faith Militant could end up killing her son if he challenges them. Dumb move on her part. Also, poor Mace....no one likes his jokes, now he's off to deal with the Iron Bank. Not sure why Ser Meryn is going with him, or why it seems so ominous for Mace. Unless Cersei is trying to use that as an angle to get back at Margery too.

Dorne-Obara definitely seems like a badass. But just like our last taste of Dorne, this one felt like it was just kind of thrown in there to remind us that Dorne was around. Which sucks, because I was looking forward to getting a lot of Dorne this season. Maybe it'll pick up later in the season.

Jorah/Tyrion-You know, this is like the 835350 time that somebody would have benefited from telling Jorah "hey, you know Varys is actually an ardent Targaryen supporter, right?", but people keep deciding not to bring this up. Still kind of laughed at Jorah just getting up and backhanding Tyrion. Interested to see how this goes...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 03, 2015, 11:00:12 PM
I'll give my thoughts also. I'm a book reader only up through ASOS so nothing here is a spoiler, just a guess.

The Wall: Yeah Plan A is to leech or kill Jon, Plan B (which they'll surely do) is to kill Shireen. At the very least the ladies will try, and this will turn Stannis against one or both of them.

Jaime/Bronn: Love the banter but I didn't care about that fight at all except for Jaime's use of the hand. At no time did I feel that nameless Dornish people would kill either character. I think the animosity between Jaime and Tyrion is a bit of a retcon to align their feelings toward one another with the way the third book ended.

Kings Landing: The whole Faith Militant plotline seems cheesy to me. Love the High Sparrow, but Lancel and bros killing gay people and Charlie Manson-ing up their foreheads sounds like a plotline imported from a lesser show. Not really sure if the Franken-Mountain subplot is what is required to de-cheesify the capital, either. And much like the Frankenstein monster turning on his creator, at some point the Faith Militant will surely get powerful enough to start going after brother-fargers and people who drink wine before breakfast.

Dorne: Speaking of cheesy, everything about the Sand Snakes and their mother is horrible. Especially the acting. Even the special effects looked weak in that scene. Dreading how much Season 5 screentime will be eaten up by this crew. The show is starting to miss all the great dead characters. I think I mourn for Oberyn more than Ellaria does when I see scenes like this. Honestly the show has failed to make me care if they send Myrcella back to Kings Landing in 10 boxes, or if war breaks out between Dorne and Kings Landing.

Winterfell: One of the better scenes, even if it was all exposition. There was a nod toward Lyanna not really being kidnapped. Even though he is her protector for the time being, I still feel like Sansa would put a dagger in Littlefinger's back if she is ever in a more secure position.

Quick hits:
- I love how pathetic they've made Jorah. His life is pretty pathetic.
- Lame as farg that Sunspear is called "Dorne" in the intro graphics. They have no problem naming places like Pentos, Riverrun, and Moat Callin on there when 95% of the audience doesn't really know what those places are, but they can't give the proper name to a city that's been mentioned a shtein-ton already?
- I hope Varys isn't MIA for the rest of the season now, he's my favorite character.
- Meryn Trant is going to a city where someone repeatedly reminds herself to kill Meryn Trant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 03, 2015, 11:09:00 PM
The young hot Sand Snake with the short hair is American and sounds American, it really threw me off. The oldest one seems awesome and I'm looking forward to seeing her with the spear. But yeah, Ellaria's acting is a bit off without Oberyn around.

I don't think Lady M was gonna leach Jon, I think she was trying to bang him to get a shadow baby like she got from Stannis in Season 2.

I don't mind of the Faith Militant plotline, but I just don't know where it's going to go.

Good call on Meryn Trant being in the same city as Arya...didn't think about that.

Share your thoughts on Varys....It looks like Jorah and Tyrion are getting to or close to Mereen next week, so I gotta think Varys finds a way there too sometime in the next 2 or 3 episodes. I hope.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
I like the Faith Militant though that scene was a tad over the top.  I liked all of KL that episode.

The only scene I didn't like and I agree 100% with was the poor Sand Snake introduction.  Bad acting, cheesy smile at the end.  They aren't the most well developed characters in the books as is (whereas Ellaria was very nuanced arguing for peace even after Oberyn's death) but I wasn't impressed with their introduction.  Dorne as a whole is interesting though, as is Doran, so I'm hoping it was just an awkwardly staged scene with a weird exposition. 

The Stannis/Shireen scene was excellent.  Meereen fight was too.   Enjoyed time spent with Jaime / Bronn though I agree you never feel like four randos are going to kill them.  I do think it makes sense that Jaime is pissed off at Tyrion (though part of it I'm sure is redirecting the fact that Tyrion is partly responsible for Cersei being so pissed off).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 03, 2015, 11:14:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 03, 2015, 11:09:00 PMI don't think Lady M was gonna leach Jon, I think she was trying to bang him to get a shadow baby like she got from Stannis in Season 2.

Yeah that could be. I'm not really sure what the requirements are to create a shadow baby (i.e. if you need to be a king or king's blood, or if  anyone who throws Melissandre over a table can get a vagina monster of their own).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 03, 2015, 11:22:41 PM
Also they are far far afield of some book plots now which of course leads to blowback from readers. 

[spoiler]there is no fight in the streets where barristan and grey worm are attacked[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 03, 2015, 11:47:03 PM
Barristan dead, Grey Worm... I dunno, at least incapacitated. All she's got left are some unruly dragons, that slaver guy, and Daario, and at least one of the latter two will betray her for sure.

Well-experienced Khaleesi-defender on the way, and he's bringing someone with brains to help unfarg that place. Everything's coming up Jorah!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 04, 2015, 08:46:07 AM
This season has blew for the most part so far. There's no buildup to resolutions and all of the good antagonist are gone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 04, 2015, 08:48:58 AM
I found the first few seasons entertaining, for sure, but not to the level of reverence that I've seen from other people. That said, I have been pretty bored with it this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 04, 2015, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 03, 2015, 10:26:03 PM
Seriously...another ending where i'm yelling what the farg at the tv.

Barristan was my ace in the hole in helping bring Dany together with future Warden of the North Bran Stark, as he could have told Dany that the Starks weren't all that bad and she can stop being all pissy about them. Plus, I just liked him.


i was thinking that was part of why varys was bringing tyrion to dany.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2015, 09:14:42 AM
Other than last season, because of Joffrey's murder, there has never been a driving point of early momentum.  Beginning of season 3 was mostly saved by Jaime / Brienne but it was Robb meandering, Dany getting unsullied, and Tyrion/Cersei/Tywin interacting.   Season 2 was even more diffuse, though it was built to Blackwater. 

The big antagonists taken off the board last year were Joffrey/Tywin (though to the extent Tywin was really an antagonist may vary).   I don't think you're going to have many antagonists now, just conflicted protagonists.  Martell v Lannister, Dany v King's Landing.   The Boltons are probably the one true antagonist family left (Frey's too small to count) but the "villain" this season is fundamentalism in KL and Meereen.
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Post by: smeags on May 04, 2015, 09:24:15 AM
that may depend on how much they push the dornish storyline. although is anyone that goes after the lannisters really a villan ?

i liked hearing jamie letting his feelings on tyrion killing tywin be known.
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Post by: SunMo on May 04, 2015, 09:26:49 AM
i like the softening of Stannis and Jon growing in stature.  i hate Cersei and her religious storyline, it sucks.

Dany needs to get to farging up shtein with the dragons.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2015, 09:35:04 AM
They've been better with material in the North this season IMO.  Stannis and Jon are much improved.  They were people I enjoyed in the books but found boring on screen previously.

There's only 2.5/3 seasons left of the show (I'm saying 3 because I'm guessing season 7 will be 15 episodes, so you have about 30 left).   There aren't going to be surprising new antagonists IMO.  I think you're entering the portion of the series where it's smaller main characters (Boltons/Stannis) fighting before the white walkers and Dany / dragons become fully involved.   All with Littlefinger and Varys behind the scenes obviously.

But I won't qualify anything - I liked episode 3 this year and really really liked last nights.   Each piece of dialogue I thought was important (other than Sand Snakes being bleh). 
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
I do think the reaction differences are interesting.  Some people saying last night was one of the best episodes the show has done/some being bored.   Book readers either enjoying being in the dark or pissed off at fairly drastic changes.  My brother who hasn't read the books texted me a similar sentiment to SD that he feels the season has been very slow, while someone like Greenwald on Grantland writes about how it's been the best yet.   Definitely more polarizing. 
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Post by: Munson on May 04, 2015, 11:23:49 AM
I think EPs 1 and 2 were pretty slow, but there's been a lot of important shtein going on in the last couple episodes. A ton of intrigue at the Wall and up North right now.
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Post by: smeags on May 04, 2015, 11:34:04 AM
im still not convinced that jon isnt going to eventually take stanis' offer to become a stark.
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Post by: Munson on May 04, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
My guess is he doesn't take the Stark name, but still marches with Stannis to fight. At least that's what I'm hoping happens.

The previews for next week show him talking to Tormund about something
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Post by: smeags on May 04, 2015, 03:00:19 PM
the red witch sees something in jon that she doesnt see in stanis. wondering if she was trying to get knocked up again to send another shadow assassin to kill someone. who ? not sure but there was something more to that scene then her just looking for a tata massage.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 04, 2015, 06:38:43 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2015, 09:37:58 AM
I do think the reaction differences are interesting.  Some people saying last night was one of the best episodes the show has done/some being bored.   Book readers either enjoying being in the dark or pissed off at fairly drastic changes.  My brother who hasn't read the books texted me a similar sentiment to SD that he feels the season has been very slow, while someone like Greenwald on Grantland writes about how it's been the best yet.   Definitely more polarizing. 

I did look around today online and found near-universal condemnation of the Sand Snakes scene at least. Not only the dialogue and acting, but even the set, costumes, and special effects were called out as being lame -- a rarity for a show with the production values of GoT. It was like some Xena: Warrior Princess footage got spliced into the show by mistake with that random sand tarp location. Maybe the Spanish production unit wasn't quite up to snuff. Greenwald doesn't even mention the scene, which is the closest thing to condemnation from him.

So far Season 5 has been the worst season for me, but it's still early going. I'm definitely getting concerned though. By this time last season there had been so many great scenes, from "farg the King", to Jack Gleeson's amazing performance at Joffrey's wedding (and the dwarves!), to Olenna Tyrell revealing her part in the assassination, to Jaime giving Brienne her mission. Nothing this season has come close to those scenes for me.

I have enjoyed Stannis and Jon all season. That part of the show is really working. The Sansa/Littlefinger stuff has also kept me intrigued. I like the High Sparrow but maybe that's just because Jonathan Pryce is killing it and because I hope [spoiler]he's Howland motherfarging Reed. [But if not, he's still cool.][/spoiler] Everything else either bores me, feels "off", or is actively bad. Losing characters the quality of Tywin, Joffrey, the Hound, and Oberyn all in one season is a blow. I haven't given a shtein about Dany since Season 1, when her storyline was fantastic. Not really the show's fault, because I feel the same about her in the books.

Overall though I suspect it's a combination of the source material not being as good as ASOS, the increasingly fractured universe of numerous characters playing a role and preventing us from having longer, more in-depth scenes with just a couple characters, and frustratingly weak original writing for the show. I did see that this last episode was written by a first-timer who has no further episodes this season, so maybe things will get better soon. Even though I'm still waiting for an episode I would consider great, I definitely enjoyed Episodes 1 and (especially) 3, but I'm used to this show having a batting average well above .500.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 04, 2015, 07:37:31 PM
Greenwald has actively criticized episodes in the past and in his podcast today agreed about the Sand Snakes.  I agree their introduction was terrible.

I disagree about the rest of it though I understand why you feel that way.  I think last season was the exception to the beginning of seasons because of episode 2/wedding.
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Post by: smeags on May 05, 2015, 11:30:45 AM
i am hoping the figth scene at the end of this last episode is a sign of things to come. i wonder if grey worm survived. didnt notice a mention of him in the previews. looks like tyrion will be going to dragons 101 next week.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 05, 2015, 01:58:12 PM
One thing I am NOT looking forward to is the dude who plays Ramsay saying in an interview that he had to do a scene this year that disturbed him so much that it took days to be ready emotionally to film it.  Considering Ramsay has done so really farged up shtein already, I can't wait to find out what this will be.  :boo
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Post by: smeags on May 05, 2015, 02:30:20 PM
im curious if rickon stark will make an appearence in the hbo storyline. does he stay in hiding or do the producers bring him in ? not sure how his story goes in the books vs the little we've seen in the show. 
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Post by: Munson on May 05, 2015, 03:55:35 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 05, 2015, 01:58:12 PM
One thing I am NOT looking forward to is the dude who plays Ramsay saying in an interview that he had to do a scene this year that disturbed him so much that it took days to be ready emotionally to film it.  Considering Ramsay has done so really farged up shtein already, I can't wait to find out what this will be.  :boo

Unfortunately I think things are gonna get a little rapey with Sansa.

Though I also think he could be bangin the concubine chick and then maybe he kills her as he's farging her or something.

Either way, I think Sansa ends up doing some badass shtein before the season ends.
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Post by: smeags on May 05, 2015, 03:59:48 PM
yeah i see sansa killing ramsay - the womans way.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 05, 2015, 04:01:19 PM
I don't think it'll involve Sansa.  Just speculation on my point.  Could involve that Myranda girl he likes to torture people with.
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Post by: smeags on May 05, 2015, 05:26:38 PM
Maybe Reek shows up and stops Ramsay from hurting whoever it is.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 05, 2015, 06:16:43 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 05, 2015, 03:55:35 PMThough I also think he could be bangin the concubine chick and then maybe he kills her as he's farging her or something.

Yeah, I think this is the scenario. Myranda and possibly Ramsay's other hos get jealous of Sansa and threaten her, and Roose makes it clear to Ramsay that these worthless sluts can't be putting the Boltons' hold on the North at risk. So Ramsay either kills them while farging them, or he brutally kills them in front of Sansa the way a cat will bring a dead mouse as a gift to its owner, thinking that Sansa actually wants that.

Later on, Sansa will be at risk and Reek will snap and kill Ramsay. Justice demands it has to be Reek.
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Post by: SunMo on May 06, 2015, 06:47:04 AM
in normal dramatic storylines, yes Reek would be the one to bring justice.  but this is GoT, there is no justice. 
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Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 06, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: SunMo on May 06, 2015, 06:47:04 AM
in normal dramatic storylines, yes Reek would be the one to bring justice.  but this is GoT, there is no justice. 
True, the guy has no balls
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Post by: smeags on May 06, 2015, 08:47:17 AM
reek kills ramsay as he is trying to rape and kill sansa but is then is killed by an arrow shot by one of stannis' soliders.
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Post by: SD on May 06, 2015, 01:19:49 PM
My friend at works theory:
QuoteLinda:
I think I know who Jon Snows mother is
Michael: who?
Linda:
eddards sister who was raped by ragar. Jon is a targareon and a stark, but not of eddard and he probably kept it a secret so that Robert would not kill him.
i rewatched all the episodes

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Post by: smeags on May 06, 2015, 01:52:30 PM
thats actually a decent theory.
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Post by: SD on May 06, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
Think I've heard it before. The only hole in that theory is why wouldn't Ned tell his wife? She'd have kept his secret.
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Post by: smeags on May 06, 2015, 02:04:37 PM
maybe she wouldnt have truely treated him like her husband's bastich ?
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Post by: Eagaholic on May 06, 2015, 02:23:56 PM
nm
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Post by: SD on May 06, 2015, 02:27:21 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/04/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-parents_n_7204058.html
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 06, 2015, 06:33:14 PM
Quote from: SD on May 06, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
Think I've heard it before. The only hole in that theory is why wouldn't Ned tell his wife? She'd have kept his secret.

Just like she could be trusted to stay at Winterfell, not recklessly capture Tyrion, not release Jaime, etc.

She farging hated Jon Snow and wanted the kid to die. No way can she be trusted with that info.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 06, 2015, 06:35:36 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 06, 2015, 08:47:17 AM
reek kills ramsay as he is trying to rape and kill sansa but is then is killed by an arrow shot by one of stannis' soliders.

BTW I am calling this right now. The show is gonna have Stannis about to clear out the Boltons or about to do a bunch of other good shtein, and then Brienne is gonna kill him to avenge Renly and majorly piss off the audience.
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Post by: Eagaholic on May 06, 2015, 07:39:18 PM
I also think it is likely Lyanna on her death bed made Ned swear to say Jon was his own. She understood what the consequences would be for him if Robert knew he was Raegar's son. So Ned, because of his honor, would have to bear that cross the rest of his life or risk becoming enemies with Robert for killing his nephew. Ironically, the last thing Ned ever says to Jon is that the next time they meet he would tell him who his mother is. It would be safer after Jon takes his vows to withdraw from the affairs of men. 'We'll talk more when I get back' is also the last thing Benjen says to Jon as well iirc, an interesting recurrence. Don't like that they axed characters like Coldhands and Strong Belwas but instead opt for mediocre sublines and characters like Daario. Like, how the farg are we supposed to buy into a pretty boy character with a refined and proper Brittish accent who was the son of a whore, grew up a slave and survived the fighting pits?

Like the Brienne killing Stannis theory. That would be farged up and consistent with the show no mercy to anyone especially  the audience tact the showrunners are taking.

Of all the badasses like the Mountain, Oberyn, Roose etc., the one with the biggest balls has to be Littlefinger. He has to know there wouldn't be a square inch of skin left on him if the Bolton's knew of any ulterior motives - or even kissing Sansa. And what was that about? My thought is that he wants Sansa to kill the Boltons and then marry Sansa, making him the Ward of the North as well as the Lord of the Vale. 2 Down and about 4 to go. He wants to sit on the IT and I think that is his midgame. But he'll probably wait until the Boltons and Lannisters half wipe each other out first, maybe orchestrating the Tyrells to jump into the fray, given that he and Olenna share the secret of Joffrey's death and both want the Lannisters out of the way. Cercei sent Mace away in part sensing the dangers of the Tyrells. Although if she was smarter she could probably use him more keeping him near since he is a buffoon.

Meanwhile, if Jon really is Raegar's son, does he stand anywhere in the line of succession? In Westeros, no, bastiches don't count. Except for by Dorne law iirc. Hmmm.
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Post by: SD on May 06, 2015, 07:46:07 PM
I wish Oberyn was around longer. Great character..."the red viper of dawn"...great nickname too
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 06, 2015, 08:02:21 PM
I don't know if Littlefinger really wants to sit on the Iron Throne. That's been a somewhat dangerous position lately. He does want power though. And he's sapping power from everyone else. He's using Cersei against the Tyrells (at least I'm guessing the correspondence between the two has something to do with that), and given the timing of when that necklace threat from Dorne arrived, I'm betting he sent that too. And obviously the Lannisters are crumbling in all kinds of ways.

Cersei is potentially the least intelligent power broker left. Roose can play the game well, as can Olenna, and (maybe????) Doran. Her paranoia has been a very useful conduit for Littlefinger to execute his plans.

I think Sansa will ultimately be his downfall. His feelings for Cat/Sansa are his major weakpoint, and Sansa now knows that Petyr is very dangerous. She's just waiting for the appropriate moment to unravel him.
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Post by: Munson on May 06, 2015, 08:31:16 PM
I've only read the first three books but yeah the Jon being Lyanna's son theory is the biggest one I believe.

Even in the first book, they hint at it so hard.

As for the rest of the convo....I could see it coming to light that Jon is in fact the offspring of Lyanna/Rhaegar, which would make him the perfect King to Dany's Queen.

But the only person who would know that information for sure is Howland Reed, who has yet to show up. Though Littlefinger's face definitely seemed to indicate he knows something too...along with Stannis saying "perhaps...but that wasn't Ned Stark's way."

I still am not sure what Littlefinger's end game is other than having a whole lot of power and being able to take his revenge on anyone he wants. Like Varys said to Olenna in Season 3, he'd burn the whole kingdom down if he could be King of the ashes. But as of right now, he's playing the Lannisters behind their backs to the Tyrells AND the Boltons, he's playing the Boltons behind their back with Sansa, and I'm gonna guess he lets the Tyrells in on his plan against the Boltons as well. We saw in the trailers Lady Olenna saying to what looks like Littlefinger "They'll never be able to find what's left of your body" or something like that. I'm guessing he threatens to expose the secret or something.
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Post by: Eagaholic on May 07, 2015, 12:01:24 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 06, 2015, 08:31:16 PM
I've only read the first three books but yeah the Jon being Lyanna's son theory is the biggest one I believe.

Even in the first book, they hint at it so hard.

As for the rest of the convo....I could see it coming to light that Jon is in fact the offspring of Lyanna/Rhaegar, which would make him the perfect King to Dany's Queen.

But the only person who would know that information for sure is Howland Reed, who has yet to show up. Though Littlefinger's face definitely seemed to indicate he knows something too...along with Stannis saying "perhaps...but that wasn't Ned Stark's way."

I still am not sure what Littlefinger's end game is other than having a whole lot of power and being able to take his revenge on anyone he wants. Like Varys said to Olenna in Season 3, he'd burn the whole kingdom down if he could be King of the ashes. But as of right now, he's playing the Lannisters behind their backs to the Tyrells AND the Boltons, he's playing the Boltons behind their back with Sansa, and I'm gonna guess he lets the Tyrells in on his plan against the Boltons as well. We saw in the trailers Lady Olenna saying to what looks like Littlefinger "They'll never be able to find what's left of your body" or something like that. I'm guessing he threatens to expose the secret or something.
Maybe the best single line in all of GOT imo. This and a couple of times LF replied "Oh, only everything" when asked what he really wants, is behind my assumption he wants the IT, as well the chaos is ladder scene scene with 3 or 4 possible implications. Agreed nothing concrete that it is LFs ultimate ambition but to me the evidence well suggested.

http://www.quotes.net/show-quote/34235
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Post by: smeags on May 07, 2015, 09:21:05 AM
to me this story all comes down to dany and jon. - song of fire & ice - so it makes sense that they would end up together (targaryens are well known to wed with their own) and unite the 7 kingdoms in the fight against the real enemy.

on my thought of jon accepting stannis' offer to be a stark, breienne takes down stannis but he doesn't die right away. as he lies, dying in a bed, jon accepts his offer becoming a stark and lord of winterfell, ward of the north.

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Post by: Munson on May 07, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
See I think Bran ends up being a huge piece of the story too. The fact that he can warg combined with Dany having dragons....just seems set up perfectly for some sort of major interaction.

I also think Tyrion will play some sort of huge role, and the show seems to be going in that direction for sure.
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Post by: smeags on May 07, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
i agree with all of that.. no doubt both bran and tyrion will continue to be big parts of the ultimate end game. i just think that it will be jon with dany as king & queen which will unite the entire kingdom.

another reason i think this is how aemon targaryen made sure jon rose to the top. i think he knows about jon's bloodline as well.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 07, 2015, 11:51:55 AM
Jon and Dany ruling together in peace and harmony seems a little too much sunshine and rainbows for GoT.
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Post by: SD on May 07, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Plus if the rumored Jon's mom/Rhaegar is true doesn't that make them related
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 07, 2015, 12:17:26 PM
Yes though Targs intermarry so I dunno.

If you want to see a cool video someone made - it is a dream sequence Ned had in the first book after he's stabbed in the streets.  The show decided not to do that sort of flashback (until this season) so it wasn't included.  This is book material so only watch with that understanding, but it's from book 1.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Mp8MzAjAY
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Post by: Zanshin on May 07, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
I'm sure someone posted this at some point, but it was new to me, so I figured I'd share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ
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Post by: smeags on May 07, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on May 07, 2015, 01:53:44 PM
I'm sure someone posted this at some point, but it was new to me, so I figured I'd share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 07, 2015, 11:51:55 AM
Jon and Dany ruling together in peace and harmony seems a little too much sunshine and rainbows for GoT.

i doubt its anything but peaceful. i would assume it would be during a winter battling white walkers. [spoiler]whose rulers may be starks. [/spoiler]
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 07, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 07, 2015, 12:17:26 PM
Yes though Targs intermarry so I dunno.

If you want to see a cool video someone made - it is a dream sequence Ned had in the first book after he's stabbed in the streets.  The show decided not to do that sort of flashback (until this season) so it wasn't included.  This is book material so only watch with that understanding, but it's from book 1.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Mp8MzAjAY

Cool.

Show needs more Arthur Dayne fanboydom. The books make it clear he was Westeros' most elite fighter of recent decades. Also I wonder about the whereabouts of his awesome sword.

I get that he's old now, but I wish they had made Barristan Selmy's final battle more ridiculously over the top, with him chewing through dozens of dudes with ridiculous moves before succumbing. Normally I like when the show keeps things somewhat realistic, but when you amp up a guy's reputation that much, I want to see some crazy shtein. I'm not sure that he was any more impressive in his last battle than a shirtless Ramsay Snow was last season during that ill-conceived Yara subplot, and that's sad.
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Post by: Munson on May 07, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
I really wish they had included the dream sequence in the show.

As for Dawn, I'm pretty sure Ned took it back to House Dayne, and so far no one has proven to be skilled enough to wield it as Sword of the Morning.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 07, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 07, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
As for Dawn, I'm pretty sure Ned took it back to House Dayne, and so far no one has proven to be skilled enough to wield it as Sword of the Morning.

Makes sense. Thanks.
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Post by: Munson on May 07, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 07, 2015, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 07, 2015, 08:49:33 PM
As for Dawn, I'm pretty sure Ned took it back to House Dayne, and so far no one has proven to be skilled enough to wield it as Sword of the Morning.

Makes sense. Thanks.

I don't remember where I read it, might have been the World of Ice and Fire book that came out last year, but I definitely read somewhere that unlike most great houses and their ancestral swords, the Dayne's only let someone wield Dawn if they're a skilled enough warrior. Could just be a fan theory for all I know, but I know I read it.

Ned definitely brought it back to House Dayne though. I think that's where the rumors that Dayne's sister is Jon Snow's mom started in Westeros.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 07, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
Yeah I think I read that there were many Swords of the Morning in history, and that Arthur was not necessarily the best of them, just the best swordsman of recent vintage.

I liked the Youtube video but that doesn't mean that I think all that backstory should have been crammed into the show, especially in Season 1. Some of my friends have seen all the episodes and still have serious difficulty just figuring out who all the Starks and Lannisters are. That's one area where I'm fine with the show being the show and the books being the books. And the Histories & Lore part of the BluRay sets (also bootlegged on Youtube) filled in a lot of backstory for me before I read the books. The one flashback the show did, with Cersei and Maggy the Frog, was a fine scene but I don't know that it added anything all that crucial to understanding Cersei. I thought it would have been a neat flourish of writing if the girl with her was revealed to be Elia Martell though, particularly since Cersei asked Maggy when she would marry Rhaegar.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 10, 2015, 10:21:08 PM
Liked the ep. Can never go wrong with more Reek.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 10, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Main GoT sites seemed high on it too, but oddly I didn't like it as much.  Maybe my dislike for Ramsay impacted it.  Still like the Lannisters more so missing Cersei/Jaime drags it for me. 

Did love the beginning Dany scene and Tormund is awesome.
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Post by: Munson on May 11, 2015, 12:43:22 AM
Loved this episode.

Having a semi-nerd out that we got to see the Smoking Sea and Valyria. Everything written or said within the world has said no one sails into the Smoking Sea and makes it out, so pretty crazy that Jorah and Tyrion made it. No idea what the farg Jorah having greyscale is going to mean for the story going forward. Was assuming he'd get back into Dany's good graces and been her Queensguard again, but now it looks like he'll be dying...

Dany's story getting interesting again. Not sure where marrying Lorak is going to go...

Lol, gotta admit I love it when Roose fargs with Ramsey just to give him a taste of his own medicine. The looks he gives Ramsey that is full of curiosity and contempt at the same time are great.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 11, 2015, 07:56:40 AM
The guy who plays Roose is phenomenal.   Conveys quiet menace and intelligence well.  Ramsay is more annoying to me (not in a fun way like Joffrey was either), but Roose is great.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 11, 2015, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 11, 2015, 07:56:40 AM
The guy who plays Roose is phenomenal.   Conveys quiet menace and intelligence well.  Ramsay is more annoying to me (not in a fun way like Joffrey was either), but Roose is great.

TV Roose is one of my favorite characters for sure. He went from being "who the hell is this guy?" when I first saw him hanging out with Robb to a scene stealer every time. Whenever other characters are speaking to each other in the same room as Roose, I just try to imagine what Roose is thinking.

I feel that book Roose has a different feel, somewhat of a vampiric vibe. The TV guy took it in a slightly different direction that is still calculating and evil. The Roose is loose.
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Post by: smeags on May 12, 2015, 10:15:10 AM
ramsey is annoying as farg. i think its by design. would love nothing more then to see reek stick a blade in ramsey's sack and before slicing his throat, say a few kind parting words as he kills that farger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 12, 2015, 06:21:08 PM
Legendz: Do you suspect the show is getting all the way through what they're taking from Books 4 and 5 this season, or leaving some pieces for Season 6 (Greyjoys, for example)? [I realize many plots are different to the point where it's difficult to compare the books and show.]

Might be too early to tell, but we are at the halfway point now.

Side note: given how much they hyped the new characters, we've seen astonishingly little of the High Sparrow, Sand Snakes, and Doran. There's just not enough screen time to give proper due to this vast world of characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
It seems like by the end of this season they will have completed books 4 & 5 (to the extent that they're sticking by them anyway).

Interviews suggested that Benioff & Weiss could really only fit either Dorne OR Iron Islands into the plot and they decided that Dorne was more integral so they sliced the Greyjoys.  I don't think it's the last we've seen of "Yara" but the entire tertiary plot in Feast for Crows pertaining the Greyjoys has been excised apparently, and I wouldn't expect to see it in future seasons.  If you go onto HBO's page for the show, where they detail the family tree, Victarion & Aeron (two of Theon's uncles in the books) aren't listed on there as existing, whereas Euron is.  So maybe we'll get Euron later, but I'm thinking almost all of the book equivalent of the Iron Islands has been tossed (which I'm in favor of, since I thought it was the worst part of the books, but people's mileage varies with that).

I think the faith militant has been, and will continue to be a central plot point this season, so I wouldn't be worried on that front.  This next episode is entitled "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" (the house motto for the Martells) so I would expect a pretty good dosage of them.  I have confidence that Doran will be portrayed well.  I have less confidence in the Sand Snakes, especially after their introductory scene (I wasn't particularly interested in them in the books either, and their screen translation was even worse).  Hopefully that was just a poorly constructed scene which will be remedied going forward.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 12, 2015, 07:02:10 PM
I liked the casting choices for Doran and High Sparrow because I was already familiar with those actors, and my feeling is "so far, so good." Especially Pryce, who is just great in that role. I'm hoping the Sand Snakes are less cheesy when D&D and Bryan Cogman are writing their scenes.

Victarion was in the first season family tree, and then removed later. We've already seen an Aeron-like figure, but he was kind of a placeholder. Kind of funny when a nameless person who seems to have attributes of a book character is in the scene. Off the top of my head, we've also seen figures like Jeyne Poole and Maege Mormont at times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 13, 2015, 12:37:25 AM
My favorite part of the episode was the Missandei/Grey Worm scene. It was sweet. But it also violated a basic precept of GOT. "Love is the death of honor" was maester Aemon's words of wisdom to Jon in a seminal episode at The Wall, and it is as central a theme as any in ASOIAF imo. The Tully's words are Family, Duty, Honor and Catlyn made mistakes at every turn for the love of family. It was Robb's and the North's demise as well. Lord Karstark called it - the war was lost the moment Robb married Talisa. Honor was Ned's calling card but his fatal mistake was putting it aside for the love of family.

Jon survived his tribulations with Ygritte, barely, but got away with his life. Missandie isn't family for Grey Worm, but to me falling in love shouldn't bode well for an Unsullied commander.

My favorite line of the show was the ultra stern/creepy Queen Selyse telling Davos to stop talking about battle with Shireen or he'll scare her.

Tywin and Roose told their sons the same story about being an affront to them and wanting to throw them into the sea/river when they were born. But then they looked at them and had the thought that 'this is my son' and relented, allowing them to grow up, albeit motherless. I don't think it's unintentional but don't see what the parallel might be, other than the ruthless ambition of both men.

I haven't liked Cersei's character development this season. She's lost some of her defiant and willful pride which doesn't set her up well for one of the best parts in all of GOTdom.  I can see to a point her cozying up to the High Sparrow in order to form an alliance (though why did they leave out such an important part from the book, [spoiler]forgiving the massive debt to the crown in exchange for taking up arms, which makes it so much more plausible?[/spoiler]). But being almost meek in the face of Margaey's gibing (what to call her, and 'sorry, it's still morning so we don't have any wine to offer you,' lol) seems out of character and in conflict with how she should be developing.

No great loss axing the Greyjoy storyline unless it plays some integral part down the line in the end story. In the books it was a tedious waste of time.


Edit: nm with the spoiler part. I guess it's because of how the show splits the sparrows from the Faith of the Seven and High Septon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2015, 11:13:28 AM
Cersei is feigning weakness of the show.  Basically conceding to Marg's face while stabbing her in the back.

Not something book Cersei would've done because she was way more fiery and crazy, but I think it fits with how Headey has consistently portrayed the character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 17, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
shteins about to get real.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 17, 2015, 10:02:58 PM
Gotta say I didn't expect them to fully go there.

C'mon Reek, man the farg up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 17, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
I think they missed an opportunity with the sex scene. Sansa seducing Ramsay to show she's actually attempting to be manipulative makes her character evolve and not become victimization for the umpteenth time with her.

I mean, whether that would've been in character is debatable but if we're trying to establish that she isn't just functioning as a victim again...that would've been the way to go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 17, 2015, 10:59:24 PM
Yeah I think it would have been insanely out of character for her to go there, especially since she was still a virgin. Virgin's aren't usually adept at the art of seduction haha.

Extremely uncomfortable, depressing ending to that episode.

Enjoyed most everything else.

I really thought we were about to get Theon snapping out of it and going postal and smashing Ramsay's head through the wall. But I imagine Ramsay isn't going anywhere until, at the very least, Stannis attacks.

farg that farging farg Ramsay.

Enjoying the Jorah/Tyrion story so far. They make a funny traveling partnership, kind of sad that's already kind of going to end with the slavers taking them. Felt bad for Jorah when Tyrion told him the news and then realized Jorah didn't know.

Cersei's plans working out...for now. I know Lady Olenna won't be taking that laying down. shtein is about to get real in Kings Landing. Tommen is soft as shtein, not even standing up for his Queen. Was hoping we'd get the showdown between Olenna and Littlefinger...guess that's coming next episode. Also holy shtein lol at Littlefinger....dude proves time and again he's the most conniving, dangerous player in the game. And for a while I was convinced he might actually love Sansa in a creepy way, but I have little doubt now that he'd send her head to Cersei once he assumed control of the North. But it's amazing how much he's underestimated by Cersei right now...she's really about to name him the Warden of the North when he already has control of the Vale, and she is clueless as to how that could make him a rival of the Lannisters. Well played, Littlefinger.

Was afraid we'd be losing Bronn during the fight with the Sandsnakes...glad it didn't happen. Very anti-climatic though, probably because Bronn or anyone else didn't die. Obara was good with the spear but Nym and the other definitely seemed clunky in their fighting. Also got a chuckle out of Aero Hotah "when you were whole, it would have been a good fight"...dude seems like a total BAMF, hope we get more of him and his giant axe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 17, 2015, 10:59:37 PM
Also the Sand Snakes are still farging horrible. Can't act, can't fight, whole plotline is dumb and embarrassing to me as a fan of this show. I'd watch a lot more CW shows if I were into this shtein.

Plus they probably just killed Bronn with poison. Yeah, they had a gratuitous shot of him getting cut. Three zesty characters (Four if you throw in Ellaria Sand, and I'm not really feeling that douchey prince either) for the price of one good one. More Doran, more black dude, kill every other Dornish person please.

Best part of the episode was any and every second Diana Rigg was on the screen. She is the greatest and the character is one of the show's best.

This is probably the least fun Arya season, mostly because she's in a quiet room washing people instead of jabbing people with Needle. I get that this whole season is basically training for her, but things move kinda glacially in the House of Black and White. It feels like they could have punched it up a bit more in the writing room. I'm guessing she'll try on the face of that little girl she killed.

I'm digging all the intrigue this season. Conspiracies in the works in Westeros:
- Lannisters vs Tyrells
- Lannisters vs Martells
- Lannisters and Vale vs Boltons and the Mannis
- The Mannis vs Boltons
- Boltons and Vale vs Lannisters
- North vs Boltons
- High Sparrow vs Tyrell/Lannister alliance (?)
- Ironborn vs Weiss/Benioff
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 17, 2015, 11:10:16 PM
Yeah Sand Snakes still blow and apparently can't fight either considering how choppily they edited the fight scene ...

I'm hoping once it's not just them interacting with each other the story will get better with them but I've seen no proof they can act either so far.  Really should be getting more Doran time. 

I liked most of the episode ... The end is getting a lot of backlash though.  Book version of that scene was even more disturbing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 17, 2015, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 17, 2015, 11:10:16 PM
The end is getting a lot of backlash though.

Come on folks, this is Thrones here. You marry a sadist, you get raped.

Just hope he doesn't knock her up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 17, 2015, 11:21:35 PM
Pretty sure our Republican friends have assured us that "the body has a way of shutting all that down."

Let's hope for Sansa's sake, theyre right.

I thought Obara did well with the spear, but the other two definitely looked sloppy as shtein fighting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 18, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
Wonder how sore Sansa is this morning
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 18, 2015, 08:20:52 AM
Here's my biggest issue with this season, how does some fanatical religious cult set shop up in Kings Landing and become the new law of the land?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on May 18, 2015, 08:28:53 AM
ISIS?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 18, 2015, 08:30:27 AM
Quote from: SD on May 18, 2015, 08:20:52 AM
Here's my biggest issue with this season, how does some fanatical religious cult set shop up in Kings Landing and become the new law of the land?

Because they have Cersei's backing (which is ostensibly the king right now).  Doubt Olenna is going to tolerate it though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 18, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
it still seems rushed, the whole storyline. one episode there is this little westboro group running around and then, boom, next thing we know they are tossing the queen and her pilow bitting brother in jail.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 18, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
Without the King ordering the Kings Guard or the City Watch to stop them, who's going to get in their way?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 18, 2015, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: smeags on May 18, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
it still seems rushed, the whole storyline. one episode there is this little westboro group running around and then, boom, next thing we know they are tossing the queen and her pilow bitting brother in jail.

This is more to the point, they just showed up out of nowhere and are suddenly the law. Where did they come from? Were they always there and then gained power? I guess the one guy is a Lannister.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 18, 2015, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 17, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
I think they missed an opportunity with the sex scene. Sansa seducing Ramsay to show she's actually attempting to be manipulative makes her character evolve and not become victimization for the umpteenth time with her.

I mean, whether that would've been in character is debatable but if we're trying to establish that she isn't just functioning as a victim again...that would've been the way to go.

This is a theme with this show and not one that I enjoy at all. They did it with Danearys and Drogo at the beginning. In the books Drogo seduced her on their wedding night. On the show he just straight up rapes her. It sends a message that the female characters are weak, victims. Which makes them less interesting. Sansa is finally starting to show some mettle and they just make her into a victim again? Uninteresting. Was not a fan.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 18, 2015, 09:22:57 AM
Quote from: SD on May 18, 2015, 09:18:15 AM
Quote from: smeags on May 18, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
it still seems rushed, the whole storyline. one episode there is this little westboro group running around and then, boom, next thing we know they are tossing the queen and her pilow bitting brother in jail.

This is more to the point, they just showed up out of nowhere and are suddenly the law. Where did they come from? Were they always there and then gained power? I guess the one guy is a Lannister.

I find it interesting only because Cersei has been playing 'the game' for so long and playing it extremely poorly that now it looks like she might finally have something going. Of course, as soon as they find out that she was boning her brother and her cousin she's farged, but at least she isn't bumbling around like a moron any more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 18, 2015, 10:42:28 AM
you know something is going to come out on cersei, no way her cousin farg buddy lancel, is going to keep quiet and not drop dime.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 19, 2015, 02:35:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UPcmC7b.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 19, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
lol

Wish he was fighting Obara, she was much better with the spear.

Apparently I read they only had one week to film there in the Water Gardens, so I wonder how rushed the choreography for the fight scenes were.
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Post by: QB Eagles on May 19, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
There was also a very obvious cut in the shot where the little Snake fell on her ass and then sprang back up. So that one was either poor editing, or an attempt to make her look more athletic by cutting out some frames and speeding it up.

Honestly I have been very unimpressed with the entire Spanish production crew thus far. The Spanish scenes are not up to the standards of the rest of the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 22, 2015, 06:19:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs7xO5P3Az4

(https://imgur.com/zooifcx)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 24, 2015, 10:31:23 PM
Much better than last week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on May 24, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on May 18, 2015, 09:22:57 AM
Of course, as soon as they find out that she was boning her brother and her cousin she's farged, but at least she isn't bumbling around like a moron any more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 25, 2015, 08:55:44 AM
By far the best episode of the season
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 25, 2015, 09:48:39 PM
Seemed like a lot of stuff went down that episode. Another long one, ended almost exactly at 10.

Kings Landing-Goddamn Tommen is a soft as bitch. Cersei did good work on him. Not used to seeing Margery like that. As soon as Cersei went to the High Sparrow I knew he was gonna toss her in as well. Wonder how Littlefinger convinced Lancel to talk.
Not used to seeing Lady Olenna at a loss for words/what to do. I do like her telling Littlefinger that he can go farg himself if need be.

The Wall-Damn, Maester Aemon was a good dude. Sad to see him go. Also was thinking he might end up one day giving information on Jon Snow's mom or something like that. Guess not. Poor Sam got his face beat in. Ghost with the good timing. And then Sam finally gets laid. "Oh my" :-D...Even though it's clear he loves Gilly, I'm actually kind of surprised he broke his vows so easily. Not sure how everything's gonna go up there with Jon gone and Aemon dead. For his part, Ser Alliser doesn't seem like the type of guy that would overthrow Jon's command just because.

Stannis-Knew that was coming, glad Stannis refused. Starting to feel worse and worse about his chances at sacking Winterfell, though.

Winterfell-Ramsay still a douche, Reek/Theon still mentally shattered. He really needs to tell Sansa he didn't kill her brothers.

Mereen/Jorah/Tyrion-The auction was pretty funny. Tyrion continues his streak of talking himself out of anything. Loved the look on Dany's face when he revealed himself. Now will somebody please farging tell each other that Tyrion is with Varys, Varys has been secretly working with Illyrio to bring the Targaryn dynasty back, and Jorah was unwittingly used to help do that so we can all move on and Tyrion can start advising Dany.

Dorne-That was the first time that the youngest Sand Snake didn't seem like a horrible actress, and it wasn't just because she showed her nice boobies. Loved the other two rolling their eyes at her in the background too. Was not happy that we appeared to be losing Bronn, glad that didn't happen. The scene with Jaime was super short but got the point across on his basic powerlessness to do much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 25, 2015, 09:57:23 PM
This is pure speculation and not a book spoiler because it goes down differently in the books, but while that was my first reading as well (LF serving up Lancel), I think they're going another way with it.  For as omnipotent as the show casts Littlefinger as sometimes, I don't think he has an in with Lancel to get him to talk about anything...I'm think it's something else.  I'm not entirely sure what yet, but I think it may be getting Olyvar to either go back on his testimony or perhaps murdering him before he can testify against Loras and Marg.  I think Olenna is more interested in their welfare than taking down Cersei and Olyvar is under LF's control...again, could be wrong on that, but my gut right now is that it wasn't directed @ Cersei. 

It's also a little different of a situation than what could have transpired in the books because in the books Loras has two brothers.  So, not that potentially losing him wouldn't be a big deal, but he's the heir to Highgarden in the show.  Therefore, with Marg & Loras in prison, Olenna raising banners and burning the place down probably isn't an option because it basically wipes out her line if they get executed as a reprisal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 25, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
The title of the episode was "The Gift", referring to LF's gift to Olenna (and to Tyrion as well, of course). Given that it would be odd if the titular gift did not reveal itself in the episode, I assume it was meant to be Lancel. That does seem a bit of a plot hole however, as the Cersei-Lancel affair was only shown to be known of by Tyrion. It's not too unbelievable that LF would be aware as well, but it would be uncharacteristically out of the blue, given the huge amount of foreshadowing the series has been laying down for nearly every significant plot point recently.

As an aside, like most other aspects of the show, the episode titles seem to be somewhat crummy and one-dimensional in Season 5 compared to seasons past. I would have thought that The Gift also referred to the lands south of the wall given to the Night's Watch by an ancient Stark king, and which are now under consideration to be given to the wildlings, but the episode didn't go in that direction for some reason.

I have trashed the Sand Snakes at some length, but I was pleasantly surprised when the cute Snake pulled her titties out. Not just because she has an epic set, but also because I thought that actress was like 15.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 26, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
re: episode titles, the very weird thing is in prior season all titles have been released prior to the season...this season we don't have official confirmation on what episode 9 is yet and it's in two weeks (and there isn't even a rumor about the title of episode 10).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 26, 2015, 07:32:41 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 26, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
re: episode titles, the very weird thing is in prior season all titles have been released prior to the season...this season we don't have official confirmation on what episode 9 is yet and it's in two weeks (and there isn't even a rumor about the title of episode 10).

The HBO website (http://www.hbo.com/#/schedule/series/GAME+OF+THRONES/PMRS1663) lists Episode 9 as "The Dance of Dragons". That seems official to me.

They haven't released the Episode 10 title yet because the title is "The One Where a Resurrected Ned Stark and Khal Drogo Team Up to Kill Stannis, Cersei, Roose, and Dany". It's based on Winds of Winter material.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on May 26, 2015, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 26, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
re: episode titles, the very weird thing is in prior season all titles have been released prior to the season...this season we don't have official confirmation on what episode 9 is yet and it's in two weeks (and there isn't even a rumor about the title of episode 10).
re: episode titties...>Finally
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 26, 2015, 11:16:07 AM
i knew cersei was going to be caught in her own web. tomen is next. no way these religious zealouts allow a king to be on the throne that is an abomination.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 26, 2015, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: Seabiscuit36 on May 26, 2015, 08:46:39 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 26, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
re: episode titles, the very weird thing is in prior season all titles have been released prior to the season...this season we don't have official confirmation on what episode 9 is yet and it's in two weeks (and there isn't even a rumor about the title of episode 10).
re: episode titties...>Finally

Is it wrong that I thought exactly the same thing? Nah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 26, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
Season 6 character description from the casting call:
[spoiler]Pirate, man in his 40's to late 50's. He's "an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. Cunning, ruthless, with a touch of madness." He's a dangerous-looking man. A very good part this season.[/spoiler]

Should sound familiar to book readers. There are also descriptions that sound very much like [spoiler]the rest of the Tarly family.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 28, 2015, 09:52:29 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 26, 2015, 12:29:03 AM
re: episode titles, the very weird thing is in prior season all titles have been released prior to the season...this season we don't have official confirmation on what episode 9 is yet and it's in two weeks (and there isn't even a rumor about the title of episode 10).

Ep 10: Mother's Mercy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on May 31, 2015, 09:58:41 PM
Tonight's episode made me moist. Really
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 31, 2015, 10:02:12 PM
Drops mic.  Holy farg.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 31, 2015, 10:03:42 PM
Holy farging shtein. Holy ... farging ... shtein.


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 31, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
Holy farg shtein jesus.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 31, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
I can't remember my jaw ever hitting the ground over a tv show before tonight.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 31, 2015, 10:12:32 PM
I am in utter disbelief watching that.  Favorite episode of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2015, 10:13:20 PM
Now that's an episode. Thrones is back!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2015, 10:13:41 PM
Also, farg Olly.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 31, 2015, 10:13:59 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 31, 2015, 10:12:32 PM
I am in utter disbelief watching that.  Favorite episode of the series.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on May 31, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
I sat on the edge of my couch looking like an 8-year old watching his first Godzilla movie. I was actually very pleased even before the whole zombie/giant/Jon Snow beat down, especially with the whole Tyrion/Daenerys dialogue, but the last 15 made me jizz hard.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 31, 2015, 10:18:33 PM
Seriously. Up until those final minutes it had already been a great episode, mostly because of the Tyrion/Dany stuff.

You're sitting there watching those two interact thinking "holy shtein, this is a huge moment" and reveling in the weight and the politics of it all....and then the last 20 minutes just reminds you that none of it means jack shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2015, 10:35:48 PM
Even putting the fight aside, it was the best writing of the season (we are back into D+D scripts now, whew). Best episode of the season by far.

Misc. thoughts:
-Tyrion vouched for Varys. Hopefully that gets him back into the season.
-Jorah's back to the fighting pits. Kind of weird because I don't remember Dany saying "You're exiled from the city, except for the fighting pits. You can come back that way."
-Presumably Valyrian steel contains dragonglass or otherwise can affect White Walkers.
-The Night's King is an official character now.
-Ramsay vs. Stannis next week. I don't like where this is going.
-Between Reek and Tyrion's conversations, I will be yelling "WHY DON'T YOU JUST EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION!" to the characters much less frequently.
-I like the return of Kevan Lannister. They kinda soft-pedaled him becoming the Hand. King's Landing needs *someone* with their shtein together.

Foreshadowing:
-Arya's hanging out at the docks. She's basically waiting for Meryn Trant's boat to show up.
-Just like with Shireen, they are showing too much Olly. At this point, I'd be surprised if Shireen didn't die and Olly didn't backstab Jon.
-Also I think they have hyped FrankenMountain in about half the episodes this season.
-I still think Brienne is gonna kill the farg out of Stannis. She's basically been Chekov's gunning this whole season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2015, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on May 31, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
I sat on the edge of my couch looking like an 8-year old watching his first Godzilla movie.

The whole fight I was scared we were going to get a giant wight, so I was happy to see the giant escape. The show is saving zombie giants for a later battle, I would guess. I also liked how the Thenn wasn't a prick at the end, the show has been too hard on Thenns. It did look like some Children of the Forest got zombified though.

Another thing I was worried about was the White Walkers freezing the water. Seawater freezes at like 28F, there's plenty of sea ice in the world. Seemed like it would have been within typical Walker capabilities.

All I'm saying is I think I would have been rowing away a bit more quickly at the end there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 31, 2015, 10:52:08 PM
Millesandra is still too convinced of Stannis' importance in the fight against the White Walkers for me to buy him dying at the hand of Brienne any time soon.

However, her sword is also made of Valyrian Steel, and now we see that it too can kill White Walkers. That half of Ice may have an important role to play...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on May 31, 2015, 10:55:21 PM
(http://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/06/01/556bc21c378caf0d670e4d8c_come-at-me-crow-nights-king.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 31, 2015, 11:08:01 PM
The Night's King was just doing some eye-to-eye bonding with Jon there. [spoiler]They've both had the same job (Lord Commander), and there's a good chance they are both Starks, too.[/spoiler] They should hang out.

Spoiler is from one of the early books, talking about the identity of the Night's King.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 31, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
Quote from: Beermonkey on May 31, 2015, 10:55:21 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 01, 2015, 09:37:24 AM
Getting ready to watch the episode again. Sooner or later the dragons are gonna be burning up some walkers

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 01, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
I'm not going to stop the wheel, I'm going to break the wheel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 01, 2015, 01:37:22 PM
i guess i should get on watching this one, based on the reaction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 01, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
It was a good episode, but I'm still waiting for that 'Red wedding, oh farg' episode. You know it's coming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 01, 2015, 02:19:08 PM
I don't know if we're gonna get any surprise deaths this season. I think the last 20 minutes of last week counts as an "Oh farg" moment, at least for me haha
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 01, 2015, 02:25:48 PM
Without commenting on what to expect or not to expect the next two weeks, this definitely qualified as a major holy farg moment to me which rivaled the best of the series.  Maybe it's because I knew exactly how Blackwater would play out (and it was amazing), but the adrenaline rush when this one ended I think was the highest it's gotten me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 01, 2015, 10:01:36 PM
*Spoiler*

Question...did the dead walker with that ice sword that John snow killed, come back to life at the end? I thought I saw him again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 01, 2015, 11:14:55 PM
Nah I think it was just another White Walker. Outside of the Night's King, they all seem to look somewhat similar.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
just as good as watching it the first time. next week will be interesting when jon reaches the wall with the wildlings.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2015, 11:23:30 AM
Going to be pissed if Alliser is a douche about it.

-Loved the Sansa/Reek stuff this week. Seeing her basically beat the truth out of him was great. Was very happy for her to realize her brothers aren't dead yet. Gives her a new purpose.

-Dany/Tyrion stuff was off the charts awesome and the highlight of the episode until the end. Though Dany's arrogance is slightly annoying, if only because she's very naive about how ruling Westeros is going to go, IMO. She wants to do it all alone but refuses to see why she's going to need some strong allies in Westeros. And Tyrion should have mentioned the Martells. Considering their past bonds to the Targaryens, they're her best bet for an ally. Glad Tyrion finally said something about Varys being on her side, even though he didn't just tell her he's a staunch Targaryen supporter.

-Arya being sent on her first assassination attempt. I guess it's some sort of test. Still not sure where this story is going yet.

-lol at Cersei. So happy to see her struggling. Qyburn still working on creepy zombie mountains, I guess. He could just take him north and let him die, he'll definitely wake up then. Tommen is so weak...starving himself. I'm guessing that if Cersei does find a way out of her current predicament, Tommen will have starved to death. Which would be an extremely interesting turn of events...Stannis at that point would become the official King.

-What else can be said about the last 30 minutes? Tormund beating the Lord of Bones to death was funny. Though all I can see now when I see Tormund is him selling things in a bright blue suit. The Giant was awesome, and I hope he survives his swim. "What the farg you looking at?" lol. Also loved Edd's "oooh fuuuuuuuuuck!" when the wights came over the cliff an then woke up. Was interesting to see the Night's King reaction (or lack there of) to Jon killing the White Walker. He seemed intrigued but at the same time there was no facial expression. But I imagine that's the first time he's seen one of his dude's ice swords fail to shatter steel, and then get killed by that same sword. Hardhome is relatively close to the wall, so I imagine they'll be marching on the wall come next season...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2015, 11:41:57 AM
cant see any other way alliser will be but this is GOT and you never know what to expect. i have a feeling he does try to stop jon and it's sam that either knocks allier out or kills him for disobeying direct orders.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
They're so far afield of the books that I am probably free to speculate regarding Thorne but I'll put it in spoiler just in case (just a theory)
[spoiler]I think his character is a form of misdirection.  He's a douche who doesn't like Jon but he respects the position and the Night's Watch.  I don't see him doing anything to betray that.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2015, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2015, 12:21:41 PM
They're so far afield of the books that I am probably free to speculate regarding Thorne but I'll put it in spoiler just in case (just a theory)
[spoiler]I think his character is a form of misdirection.  He's a douche who doesn't like Jon but he respects the position and the Night's Watch.  I don't see him doing anything to betray that.[/spoiler]

That was my thinking as well. [spoiler]No matter how much he disagrees with Jon, he seems at his heart to be a "true Knight" who believes in things like order and hierarchy and commands. He won't like what Jon does, but ultimately he'll go along with it. At least I hope.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 02, 2015, 12:34:00 PM
i hope im wrong because i kind of like his character. old school guy but like you said he is loyal. even in his speech before the vote to lord commander he gave jon credit for what he did in the battle.



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 02, 2015, 06:09:26 PM
Much more worried about that little prick Olly than Thorne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 02, 2015, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 02, 2015, 11:23:30 AMI'm guessing that if Cersei does find a way out of her current predicament, Tommen will have starved to death.

He's just a teenager who won't come out of his room because he's depressed about not getting Hoyda anymore. He's not on a political hunger strike or some shtein.

I'm done with the show if he eats Ser Pounce though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 02, 2015, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 02, 2015, 11:23:30 AMI'm guessing that if Cersei does find a way out of her current predicament, Tommen will have starved to death.

He's just a teenager who won't come out of his room because he's depressed about not getting Hoyda anymore. He's not on a political hunger strike or some shtein.

I'm done with the show if he eats Ser Pounce though.

Hahaha. The implication from what Qyburn said, along with the week before with Cersei saying "starving yourself won't get her out" make me think there's a reason why they keep bringing up that he's not eating.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Ledgendz, how do you feel about being spoiler'd with important story stuff before the 6th book comes out? Obviously GRRM is gonna do things a little differently, but I think it's pretty obvious Tyrion and Dany will still meet up, and the White Walkers will be attacking soon in the books I imagine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 02, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
I've been very underwhelmed with this show for pretty much the entire 4 years but I feel like I stuck it out just for this episode. That was cool.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2015, 10:20:37 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 02, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Ledgendz, how do you feel about being spoiler'd with important story stuff before the 6th book comes out? Obviously GRRM is gonna do things a little differently, but I think it's pretty obvious Tyrion and Dany will still meet up, and the White Walkers will be attacking soon in the books I imagine.

I don't care as much about that as some other people, especially since so many characters are in different places now that it isn't even spoiling the books.  What is being spoiled, probably, is who is important / not & who will be dying soon.  Barristan, for example, who is alive, will prob be dead early in book6.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 02, 2015, 10:28:09 PM
Yeah I got you. I'm crazy about spoilers so just knowing that Tyrion makes it to Dany safe and sound would drive me crazy haha.

This seems important:
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 02, 2015, 10:39:05 PM
It's basically functioning like a parallel universe to me.  I'm almost capable of picking and choosing things from both now which I prefer - like Dorne for example, where I will just pretend like the shows version of it doesn't exist (you know they farged it up when two of my very favorite characters being there aren't enough to make me look forward to it).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2015, 08:15:23 AM
you'd think the dorne storyline gets some good time this week. its pretty much been on the back burner the whole season minus a handful of scenes.

wondering how the ramsey plot is going to play out. taking 20 men with him to attack stannis. guess it may be some type of westeros ninja deal ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 03, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
That was one of the best episodes of the series

Half way through this season I didn't like where they were going...the story lines...the characters...the acting...these last two episodes have knocked it out of the park

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 03, 2015, 09:06:29 AM
I watched it twice, that hasn't happened since Blackwater.  Probably going in for thirds before Sunday. 

My guess, Tommen is dead or imprisoned by the uncle.  No way would he not react to his mother being taken.  And I'm not sure where the Ser Jorah plot is going.  How quick does the infection occur, and what's his endgame. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
do the stonemen have some way to kill white walkers ? not sure if it was mentioned in the books to this point or not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 03, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
why was jon snow's sword able to whack that dude? i thought only that glass shtein could do it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
His sword was given to him by the former lord commander of the night's watch and its Valyrian Steel.  There are only a few in existence (Jaime gave his to Brienne, Joffrey had one, Sam Tarly's dad has one etc).  Valyrian steel can apparently kill white walkers as well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 03, 2015, 11:00:22 AM
ah ok, i remember that now.

i've obviously never read the books but to me this whole series comes down to a showdown between the dragons and zombies.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 11:07:19 AM
Series is called a Song of Ice and Fire so I think on one level that's a fair interpretation of it.

I think both the books and the show begin with the white walkers killing a few night's watch people as a way to remind everyone that while all of these families are fighting there is an apocalyptic threat looming.  I don't think these are standard zombies (the things brought back to life are, but what is controlling them isn't), but it's def an army of undead. 

Some people have said it would be boring to see all of these families unite to fight evil or whatever since that goes against the morally grey center of the show...I do think that's an oversimplification of what will happen.  I doubt all of these families will ever get on the same page and that seems too clean cut for GRRM, but it does def seem like it'll be white walkers against some human faction.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
And this is a reiteration of what Greenwald said on Grantland but I hope they keep developing a quasi-personality for the Night's King.  Makes for a more interesting villain than if he's just an incarnation of evil.  I liked his taunting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 11:10:52 AM
Also - kind of crazy how far Jon has jumped this season in my feelings towards characters.  Normally I don't like standard good guy protagonist, and he's bored me in the past on the show, but the writing + acting by Harington this year has been excellent.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 03, 2015, 11:27:56 AM
dany saying she is going to break the wheel is going to have significance down the road i think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 03, 2015, 06:46:34 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 11:10:52 AM
Also - kind of crazy how far Jon has jumped this season in my feelings towards characters.  Normally I don't like standard good guy protagonist, and he's bored me in the past on the show, but the writing + acting by Harington this year has been excellent.

I'm on the same page as you. Didn't really care for his acting prior to this season (although his fighting has always been good), but he's been a real highlight of the season.

Quote from: smeags on June 03, 2015, 09:15:29 AM
do the stonemen have some way to kill white walkers ?

Some people think the Stonemen are in fact another type of Walker or wight, so they would be on the same side. It's just speculation.

Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 03, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
His sword was given to him by the former lord commander of the night's watch and its Valyrian Steel.  There are only a few in existence (Jaime gave his to Brienne, Joffrey had one, Sam Tarly's dad has one etc).  Valyrian steel can apparently kill white walkers as well.

My impression is that there is actually quite a bit of Valyrian steel out there, on the order of hundreds of individual blades. Many minor houses have them, and there are even some relatively minor blades like the dagger sent to kill Bran. However, the secret to making it is lost, and it's so prized by its owners that even a family as wealthy as the Lannisters could not find any to purchase.

This is all analogous to pre-1700 Damascus steel in reality. There's plenty of original Damascus out there, but much of it is in museums.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 03, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
I've actually enjoyed Jon Snow since Season 3 now. Definitely in Season 4 I started liking the character a lot more. Dude's been a beast so far this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 07, 2015, 03:46:44 PM
So tonight leaked - clips are online.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 07, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Such a farged up show
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:18:08 PM
Episode kinda sucked until Meereen I thought. Also I don't really get leaving Dany's four advisors surrounded by hundreds of Harpies at the end. But hey at least there was some cool dragon stuff. It saved the ep.

Going to Dorne has been such a colossal misstep for this show. Other than strategy sessions between Doran and Areo Hotah, let us never see it again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 07, 2015, 10:32:57 PM
This will be the first time when people bail on the show and I don't blame them.

I know where they're going with what happened to Shireen next episode (I think anyway) but it seemed sadistic and gratuitous and just for shock value.  And no Stannis doesn't farging murder his daughter in the books.  Awful.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 07, 2015, 10:32:57 PM
And no Stannis doesn't farging murder his daughter in the books.  Awful.

Sure he does. It's in Winds of Winter. At least according to the Inside the Episode stuff.

Welcome to being in the dark, book readers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 07, 2015, 10:38:56 PM
Shireen isn't with him in TWOW.  I wouldn't be shocked if Mel does it but that's not the same thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:40:59 PM
I do have to say it didn't make sense to me for Salyse to be the one to crack emotionally. Since when did she give a shtein about that kid? But if Stannis cracked obviously the execution wouldn't have been carried out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 07, 2015, 10:42:30 PM
#teamBolton
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:44:17 PM
So Hizdahr wasn't the Harpy? Apparently Daario wasn't either? Or was the idea that this group actually had a single leader just totally wrong to begin with?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 07, 2015, 10:45:03 PM
Ugh...so rough to watch.

farg #teamBolton though....I absolutely need Stannis to kick the shtein out of the Boltons. Then Brienne or Davos can kill Stannis for that bullshtein. The North re-uprises under Sansa's direction, and the Umbers bring Rickon to Winterfell to be the heir.

I was also surprised that Salyse is the one who cracked. But, as you said, if Stannis did, then it wouldn't have happened.


Dany riding Drogon is a BFD. Not all Targaryens successfully rode dragons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 07, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:44:17 PM
So Hizdahr wasn't the Harpy? Apparently Daario wasn't either? Or was the idea that this group actually had a single leader just totally wrong to begin with?

Yeah I definitely assumed Hizdar was with the Sons of the Harpy. He was acting shady as shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:47:34 PM
People are down on the Mannis for killing his kid, but Dany didn't exactly cover herself in glory this episode. Congrats on running a bloodsport, Caesar.

The Brotherhood Without Banners is looking better every day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 07, 2015, 11:06:43 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 07, 2015, 10:36:48 PMWelcome to being in the dark, book readers.

This guy Martin is a train wreck.   Dude is in the dark himself, making shtein up as he goes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 07:43:04 AM
What a farged up episode. I guess Dany flying out on the dragon will connect with bran down the road ? Hopefully after a re-cast ... I still think hizdahr was involved with the sons of harpy but was willing to die to kill dany.



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
I'm pretty schizophrenic with the series. I vacillate wildly from, "wow, cool show," to "why the farg am I wasting my time on this trainwreck?" I've enjoyed parts of it, thought parts were boring, thought other parts were dorky, and on and on. I watch and I'm interested in some of the storylines, but when you guys use the names I'm pretty lost, which means I'm not paying attention that closely. I'm hoping that there's some redeeming storyline that comes out of the scene with the kid; something that makes that scene important and not just shock for the sake of it.

It's just weird, because it's one of the few shows that I'll watch live as it comes on...then when I'm watching I'm usually a little bored with it. But I watch it anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
That shtein was brutal. All of the rape stuff was distasteful to me, but the child-killing shtein actually makes me not want to watch. The one thing that gives me hope is that the last character who murdered children got the Ramsay Bolton treatment, so hopefully Stannis will die with his own cock in his mouth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 08, 2015, 09:43:12 AM
can someone tell me why i read this thread before i watch the latest episode?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2015, 09:47:18 AM
It'll matter with what I am assuming is coming next episode but they could've accomplished the same end without murdering her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 09:49:01 AM
Oh hey guys, don't read the last page. Because, you know, spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 09:49:51 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 09:49:01 AM
Oh hey guys, don't read the last page. Because, you know, spoilers.

Because, you know, obviously.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 08, 2015, 09:50:30 AM
i'm not complaining about any of you...i'm complaining about myself for being a moron
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2015, 09:51:53 AM
I agree with rjs btw that the Shireen scene crossed a line for me.  Not sure why but it did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 08, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 09:18:13 AM
I'm pretty schizophrenic with the series. I vacillate wildly from, "wow, cool show," to "why the farg am I wasting my time on this trainwreck?" I've enjoyed parts of it, thought parts were boring, thought other parts were dorky, and on and on. I watch and I'm interested in some of the storylines, but when you guys use the names I'm pretty lost, which means I'm not paying attention that closely. I'm hoping that there's some redeeming storyline that comes out of the scene with the kid; something that makes that scene important and not just shock for the sake of it.

It's just weird, because it's one of the few shows that I'll watch live as it comes on...then when I'm watching I'm usually a little bored with it. But I watch it anyway.

I'm in the same boat, I can tell you all the storylines and details but names escape me. For secondary characters they don't say their names enough and most of the characters aren't strong enough that you'd care who they are or that they died. Hiszdah or whatever the guy Dany was supposed to marry was a who gives a flying farg death.

From what the book readers tell me the stake scene was done purely for shock value. I hate that the show has deviated into that area. Sure people are talking about it but the negative feedback is overwhelming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
Stannis killing his daughter isn't completely off the norm for this world. That said it was still horrific. The red priestess has been pushing for this. See how it plays out.

Talk about a180 in one week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
D&D said GRRM told them about this - implying it's coming in the books (I don't see logistically how that's even possible but whatevs).  There were still other ways to accomplish what they're going to use this for next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2015, 10:29:23 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 08, 2015, 10:22:58 AM
D&D said GRRM told them about this - implying it's coming in the books (I don't see logistically how that's even possible but whatevs).  There were still other ways to accomplish what they're going to use this for next week.

Shireen is supposedly not with Stannis in the books, right? I could see Milesandre having one of her devouts in Stannis' camp sailing her up to the North. Wouldn't be that hard to do, I imagine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2015, 10:34:54 AM
Also, somehow just now putting it together in my head about how the man King Robert replaced was thought of as Mad partly for his extreme enthusiasm in burning people alive. And now Robert's brother has been burning people alive in his quest for the throne.

Seems important. :paranoid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 10:47:48 AM
Dany's dragons just burned a shteinload of people alive as well. Weird that Fire would play a role in a story titled A Song of Ice and Fire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 10:57:40 AM
I get that people like dragons, but everyone seems to think that scene was great. I mean, did anyone NOT see that coming? First of all, the fight scenes in the pit seemed pretty amateurish (actually, most of the fight scenes this year look ridiculously thrown together). Then you have a few people surrounded by a herd of enemies just standing there waiting to get stabbed by a dwarf. Then the dragon (who anyone with two brain cells to rub together knew was coming) shows up. The special effects were just okay to me, nothing special. And since we already know that the blonde is fireproof, it really didn't make much sense for the dragon to not light everything up without getting stabbed by spears, then fly away with the blonde in all of her charred nakedy goodness. Granted that wouldn't have been great for the story, but at least make it a cooler scene. It was an okay scene...but it wasn't great.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:05:32 AM
I thought it was a damn good scene. Certainly nothing like hard home but still pretty good. Does dany go get the other two dragons now ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 11:12:10 AM
Guess that's why they make vanilla and chocolate. I could see what they were going for, but it seemed like a kid wrote and directed it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
Having that scene immediately follow the stake scene was clearly intentional to give the viewers something to cheer for after such awfulness, but it had the opposite effect on me. The stake scene had me feeling jaded and disgusted with the show and that led me to picking apart the dragon scene in much the same way that Z just described. It was 100000% obvious that Drogon would come save the day. The fighting was amateurishly choreographed. The horde surrounding Dany just stood around waiting for, um something? It was not nearly well enough done to distract me from the distaste of the previous scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:38:44 AM
The stake scene was worse than The red wedding IMO.  The only scene that could've helped wouldve been the battle the week before.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
I think most of the reason why the Harpy's didn't rush forward is because they know the Unsullied are a much tougher opponent when they're in formation, rather then individual and engaging in guerrilla warfare fights. Being in formation around Dany is the type of fight they're trained for, and they're supposed to be the best in the world at it. Harpy's were probably just a little bit nervous rushing into that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:44:50 AM
Obviously security wasn't so great at the gates to the stadium to have all those golden masks snuck in.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2015, 11:45:55 AM
NBG, Dany just passed the Patriot Act. Security problem solved.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 08, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
I think most of the reason why the Harpy's didn't rush forward is because they know the Unsullied are a much tougher opponent when they're in formation, rather then individual and engaging in guerrilla warfare fights. Being in formation around Dany is the type of fight they're trained for, and they're supposed to be the best in the world at it. Harpy's were probably just a little bit nervous rushing into that.

It takes too much analysis of their motivations by the audience to bother coming to that conclusion. This is a TV show. A TV show predicated on action that was trying to distract its viewers from the preceding scene. It was poorly done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
It was joke. Lighten up Nancy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Seabiscuit36 on June 08, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
Having that scene immediately follow the stake scene was clearly intentional to give the viewers something to cheer for after such awfulness, but it had the opposite effect on me. The stake scene had me feeling jaded and disgusted with the show and that led me to picking apart the dragon scene in much the same way that Z just described. It was 100000% obvious that Drogon would come save the day. The fighting was amateurishly choreographed. The horde surrounding Dany just stood around waiting for, um something? It was not nearly well enough done to distract me from the distaste of the previous scene.
Couldn't agree more on the Gladiator battles.  Should have gone with choreographers from Spartacus.  The stadium looked great.  I keep waiting for burning Shireen to end up being pointless since Stannis isn't a true king. 
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Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:47:41 AM
It was joke. Lighten up Nancy.

Hahaha I quoted the wrong post. It was aimed at Munson.
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Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 12:05:28 PM
As far as that little girl goes, I'm still holding out hope that her being half a stone man leads to some sort of redemption from the stake. Not likely, but, whatever.
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Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
I hate when that happens. :-D



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Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 12:07:03 PM
As an aside, I'm even more disgusted with myself for discussing this semi-seriously than I am about speculating about off-season football.
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Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 12:07:47 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 08, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Inmate when that happens. :-D


I literally have no idea what this means.
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Post by: Zanshin on June 08, 2015, 12:08:44 PM
Oh, you were talking to RJS and saying "I hate when." It's like a puzzle.
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Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
Yeah I also hate posting via my smartphone and looking anything but with autofill.
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Post by: Munson on June 08, 2015, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 08, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
I think most of the reason why the Harpy's didn't rush forward is because they know the Unsullied are a much tougher opponent when they're in formation, rather then individual and engaging in guerrilla warfare fights. Being in formation around Dany is the type of fight they're trained for, and they're supposed to be the best in the world at it. Harpy's were probably just a little bit nervous rushing into that.

It takes too much analysis of their motivations by the audience to bother coming to that conclusion. This is a TV show. A TV show predicated on action that was trying to distract its viewers from the preceding scene. It was poorly done.

Well I don't care much about the rest of the audience...if I know what's going on, that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 08, 2015, 12:46:30 PM
Super.
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Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 12:50:05 PM
moving along now ... did anyone else catch that dany and jorah touched hands ? well with him being afflicted with greyscale and all ...
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Post by: smeags on June 08, 2015, 03:44:16 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0m1egVpg1hzL_Nq4ldsnjbJufjCRXn-fSznJq98ZKsx8vKKUmKYU_0wdz)

edit. dammit, too small.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 09, 2015, 03:21:03 AM
I'm not really following game of thrones that closely this season, but that little crocodile skin, cvnt of a girl must have done something to piss daddy off (I didn't read the book, but that's a safe guess). She most likely deserved it too because people don't get burned at the stake for no reason, it's unheard of and that's a FACT! Also, when are we gonna see some more red witch pvssy? I'm getting tired of rubbing one out to that tall hottie...that short haired, blonde knight with the scribe...I forget his name. Let's call Dorne for what it really is: Mexico. It's good to know that there is always a need for Mexicans, even in ancient England. Is anyone else wondering what the Giants dick looks like besides me (is it hooded or not)? Why doesn't Stannis just order pizzas for everyone...I'm pretty sure they'd deliver if he told them who he was; "Hello, this is King Stannis, rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Yes, I'll hold.................oh, yes, I was calling about an order I put in. It's been over 30 minutes". Sansa's grill is as busted as her vagina, I imagine, is beautiful. One last thing, "Hey Theon, grow a pair!"
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Well said
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Post by: smeags on June 09, 2015, 09:51:06 AM
its as if lil guy hacked into his account.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2015, 08:45:53 PM

"What happens with the Sand Snakes is...extreme. Very extreme. So I'm really curious to see how people take it. I don't know what else I can say!" the actress tells Yahoo Singapore. "Episode 10 sets the rest of the show on a very certain path. It's a big move in Game of Thrones, and the Sand Snakes are a part of it."

Says actress who plays Nym.  Now I'm worried in Dorne for ep10.  Bleh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 09, 2015, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2015, 08:45:53 PM
"the Sand Snakes are a part of it."

words you never wanna hear about an episode of game of thrones
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Post by: SD on June 09, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
Chick with the short hair has great tits
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 09, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
I was just thinking that the Dorne plotline has turned into a big waste of time thus far unless something big drops in episode 10. I can't imagine what it would be, though, outside of Doran saying to Tristane "hey...make sure you kill Tommen so Myrcella becomes queen" or something.

One thing I will say in defense of Dorne is right now it seems like a bunch of minor characters playing a small, outside roll on the edges of the main plot...but then again, Littlefinger seemed that way for about 6 episodes too.

Of course, I think the plot was more exciting and more clear then what's currently going on in King's Landing, not to mention it was pretty much the one central plotline at that point, where as Kings Landing's current goings on are, at best, the 3rd most important thing going on right now.


And yes, youngest Sand Snake has great boobies.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 09, 2015, 11:53:23 PM
This is speculation, not a spoiler, but here's what I'm thinking...

So Varys has been awol and obv wants a Targ restoration.  Dorne wants vengeance but also want to further their own interests politically & used to be aligned with the Targs.  What about this:

Trystane marries Myrcella.  Varys arranges for Tommen to be murdered after they get back to KL.  eventually Myrcella is killed by conspirators putting Trystane in a place of power conveniently for Dany's invasion, and he pitches a marriage proposal to her to secure the throne. 

Checks every box I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 10, 2015, 12:56:44 AM
That'd be a pretty complicated plan, but I guess about par for the course in Westeros haha.

I mean, I think there's no doubt at this point that Dorne become's Dany's first friend in Westeros. It makes too much sense for them not to be.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 10, 2015, 06:43:28 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 09, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
I was just thinking that the Dorne plotline has turned into a big waste of time thus far unless something big drops in episode 10. I can't imagine what it would be, though, outside of Doran saying to Tristane "hey...make sure you kill Tommen so Myrcella becomes queen" or something.

Not sure if it'll be that move exactly (certainly could be), but I absolutely believe Doran is a skilled operator like the other high lords who are still around (Olenna Tyrell, Roose Bolton, LF). He definitely has a revenge plan in the works and is feigning fealty to the Lannisters. It is necessary to save that plotline and also explains Ellaria Sand's quick turnaround a bit.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 10, 2015, 08:07:34 AM
Oberyn was such a great character, you'd figure Dorne would be a great story line but it's been a colossal bore.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 10, 2015, 08:43:23 AM
this may be a spoiler but who cares ...


somebody gonna die this week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 10, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
Quote from: SD on June 09, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
Chick with the short hair has great tits

This line of discussion I don't have a tough time following.
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Post by: smeags on June 10, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
 :-D
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Post by: QB Eagles on June 10, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
So, here's my speculation on the things that have been foreshadowed for Episode 10:

- Stannis attacks Winterfell
   - Brienne and Pod free Sansa and/or kill Stannis
   - Seems unlikely that both Boltons will die, and if just one dies it's probably Roose
   - Wouldn't be shocking if Reek/Theon finally escapes the Boltons
      - Could he be considered to have king's blood?
   - Also wouldn't be shocking if Ramsay took the opportunity to kill Walda in the carnage
   - Other lords in the North seem likely to get involved
- Olly glaring in every episode finally pays off in a way that makes the audience hate him
   - Coup aganst Jon and/or attack on the Wildings by members of the NW
   - Sam & Gilly leave for Oldtown
   - Will be interesting to see which side Alliser takes
- Arya goes faceless
   - Either kills Meryn Trant or that's a red herring and Jaqen sees through her lie and prevents her
   - Wouldn't be shocked if she took the faceless skill and Needle and just told the faceless order to farg off
- Dany leaves Meereen?
   - Doesn't seem much left for her there, her big Season 5 plot points seem to have already been hit last week
   - Maybe we find out who the Harpy is. I'm feeling Daario even though it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
   - Not expecting anything from Tyrion. Kind of a nothing season for him.
   - Jorah's greyscale will look worse
- Intrigue in Kings Landing
   - Cersei confesses but somehow Tommen is still considered legitimate
   - FrankenMountain fargs shtein up
   - Cersei somehow has that nun she hates killed (see previous point)
   - I think Maerg and Loras get released. Loras can probably win a trial by combat easily, if it comes to that. (unless it's against FrankenMountain)
- Doran plays the game, as previously mentioned

Bonus excitement points if Syrio Forel, the Hound, Gendry, Benjen, Rickon, Quaithe, the Blackfish, the Greatjon, [spoiler]Lady Stoneheart[/spoiler] or any non-Theon Greyjoy shows up. I'd settle for Varys.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 11, 2015, 01:23:18 PM
i watched last week's episode again and yeah, the final scene in mareen didnt do it for me, like other said, not very well written. i joked about the masks getting snuck in but damn, 100's if not more of them ?? plus that many right near the queen ?

either way i'm stoked for this week. have to think something huge is come.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 12, 2015, 08:28:27 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 08, 2015, 11:05:32 AM
I thought it was a damn good scene.

That's quite the 180.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 10:15:15 PM
Not a good week for our heroes.
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Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
God damn this show

Watched the post show, they confirmed Jon is Ned's kid so the theory about him being half Targareyan half Stark is false
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Post by: Munson on June 14, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
What the fuuuuuuuuck
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Post by: Eagaholic on June 14, 2015, 10:23:04 PM
holy shtein. At first I was thinking Melisandra is going to bring him back, right? But then I thought, doesn't look like she's batting a thousand right now.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 10:24:53 PM
Quote from: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:15:19 PM
God damn this show

Watched the post show, they confirmed Jon is Ned's kid so the theory about him being half Targareyan half Stark is false

I haven't seen that but that's def a red herring they're throwing out.  Kit is trying to sell it in this EW interview but I would be shoccccked if Jon isn't back next season.  They got Melisandre to the wall in time for a reason (speculation).
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Post by: Eagaholic on June 14, 2015, 10:27:05 PM
anyone else think Jons blood seeping out looked like a Melisandra shadow creation of some sort?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:33:06 PM
Melisandre will bring him back, pretty sure she saw Stannis's downfall and fled to the next highest power. The lord of light brought that guy back in the cave that the Hound killed in his trial by combat so I'm sure that crazy bitch can bring him back.

They didn't burn Stannis's dead army at Winterfell...pretty sure that wide angle shot of the dead army was a white walker foreshadow
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Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 10:33:15 PM
Ghost sure got farging lazy.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Also no clue if Stannis is dead.
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Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Also no clue if Stannis is dead.

Watch the post show, he's dead
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:38:30 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 10:33:15 PM
Ghost sure got farging lazy.

Maybe Jon warged into him before he died
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Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 10:40:19 PM
The Mannis pretty much has to be dead. He seemed like he was resigned to it after realizing that all the sacrifices had been for naught, and it doesn't seem like Brienne would go back on her oath and spare him.

In a shocking turn of events, Davos is actually Azor Ahai.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 10:45:08 PM
I didn't like how Sansa and Theon escaped. You might as well have them slip out a back door, no one is believing they actually died in that jump. And it kinda seems like they shouldn't have survived since Myranda went splat in a big way from a smaller height. I realize they were jumping into snow but that's still some hip breaking shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:48:11 PM
I guess we could say how they escaped is still up in the air
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Post by: Eagaholic on June 14, 2015, 10:59:36 PM
Doesn't seem like it would be too hard for Ramsey to track them.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Also no clue if Stannis is dead.

Watch the post show, he's dead

I don't buy anything they're saying about the end of this episode.  I'll leave it at that.  Think they committed to cliffhangers galore and are throwing out misdirection.
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Post by: Eagaholic on June 14, 2015, 11:03:50 PM
They teased Benjen and even the preview was bullshtein so I don't know how they can expect anyone to believe anything at this point. Kind of a dumb move on their part.
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Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
So Legendz, can I read the fourth and fifth books without spoiling anything major now? Sounds like they will do some Greyjoy shtein next season and I am fine reading ahead on that.

I was glad they included a brutal Arya killing. For the most part I love the way the show and Maisie Williams have depicted Arya, but one thing I preferred about her in the books was her sadistic butchering of the Tickler. Arya is not a good person. She's the outcome of a farged childhood during which she saw everyone she loved being cut down, and she spent years as a refugee surrounded by extreme brutality in the bloodlands of a civil war, killing and stealing just to stay alive. She comforts herself to sleep at night repeating the names of all the people she wants to kill. There isn't a happy future for her, she's a murderer warped beyond repair.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:11:38 PM
Yeah fourth and fifth books are good to go.  There are major divergences with a lot of characters this season but they've covered the main plot points.  I'd skip the epilogue in book 5 though. 

Also don't get why they had to burn Shireen.  It's been speculated that Mel would bring back Jon for a few years now.  I thought in the show Stannis would die and she would go to resurrect him and it would bring back Jon thereby justifying Shireen's death in a sense.  But they could've gotten to this end the same way without her burning. 
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Post by: SD on June 14, 2015, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: SD on June 14, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 10:36:16 PM
Also no clue if Stannis is dead.

Watch the post show, he's dead

I don't buy anything they're saying about the end of this episode.  I'll leave it at that.  Think they committed to cliffhangers galore and are throwing out misdirection.

They give an explanation about how he goes out and doesn't beg and doesn't give details to Brienne because he accepts his fate and knows he's beaten. You didn't see the Hound die but we both know he's dead. Stannis is dead...last week was a set up for his downfall this week.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:24:18 PM
Hound is for sure alive IMO.  It's hinted at more in the books but I believe he will be reappearing next season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 11:26:58 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:11:38 PM
Also don't get why they had to burn Shireen.  It's been speculated that Mel would bring back Jon for a few years now.  I thought in the show Stannis would die and she would go to resurrect him and it would bring back Jon thereby justifying Shireen's death in a sense.  But they could've gotten to this end the same way without her burning. 

I thought the direction they might be going with Stannis is that he was going to continue sacrificing and sacrificing, having him achieve some hollow victory after losing everything, and realizing it wasn't worth it. Obviously it seems like that plot is cut short.

I guess in the show canon, Shireen's death is just a product of Mel not reading the fire prophecies well enough. I think Mel was a true believer, not someone trying to scam Stannis. I also don't think she's cruel, or happy about what happened to Shireen. She really believed that was the way, and a small price to pay for the ultimate victory. We saw her visibly shaken in today's episode upon realizing that everything she had worked toward was ruined. I'll be interested to see if she shows some humility or charges right ahead into the next Azor Ahai. Honestly I don't see any reason for Davos to not straight up kill the bitch at this point.

I'm trying to remember all of Mel's specific prophecies. Generally they are accurate but she can misinterpret them. She saw Bolton banners burning and she saw herself at Winterfell. Clearly none of that requires Stannis being alive.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 14, 2015, 11:31:45 PM
Yeah I mean in theory LF is marching on Winterfell as we speak.   Bolton banners may well burn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 14, 2015, 11:33:14 PM
With any off-screen death I assume survival, but I just can't think of any plausible way in which Stannis could be alive. The Hound, Benjen, Syrio.... sure.

I hope I'm wrong because I've been on the Mannis hype train since Season 2.

https://youtu.be/OLNFloNdJH4

P.S. Isn't the Iron Bank kinda farged now?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 15, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
Logistically, if Jon Snow survived, he's a main character next season and there's a million news stories for the next 10 months about Kit being on the set.

I don't see him coming back until S6E10 if at all.
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Post by: Munson on June 15, 2015, 12:12:19 AM
They'd really have to do something dramatic to prevent that from leaking out. Not sure how they'd pull it off. There are pictures leaked from the sets all the time.
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 12:26:04 AM
The show put in far too much legwork for him to be dead.  They made Melisandre visit the brotherhood to discuss resurrections (which doesn't happen in the books) and gets her back to the wall in time for his stabbing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 06:20:27 AM
Man, what a finale. Holy shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 07:59:49 AM
I was struck by the fact that still-living semi-major characters from seasons past were not even mentioned this season. The Brotherhood and the Bran Clan, specifically. Makes me think that they will avoid the wall altogether next season despite the obvious conclusion everyone is jumping to about Melisandre bringing Jon back.

Also, I think resurrection is a lazy mechanism for story telling. It was sort of intriguing that Thoros could do it, but now The Mountain has been brought back and Melisandre spoke with the Brotherhood about how to do it. It's just sort of meh storytelling.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
It's more interesting if it's done immediately, not after a season long cliffhanger.  You bring him back last night and it changes the whole tone of the episode / offseason and doesn't feel like a cheap device when it occurs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 08:25:06 AM
that wouldve been a better ending, jon waking up to see melisandre, he says three words, "where is alliser"? season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
the timing of Jons killing didn't make sense to me...why let the wildlings in the wall and then kill Jon as a traitor?  they easily could just not open the gates and let them freeze to death. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
I don't know, I thought it was okay but I wasn't riveted. I guess I'll just have to come to grips with the fact I'm a casual watcher. I'll watch the show when it comes back, but if it never came back, I can't say that I'd really care.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
i'm sure that you were supposed to be sympathetic to Cersei at the end of her walk of shame but goddamn that was satisfying.  she's farged with so many people on that show and it was good to see her get abused.  of course she made it back to the red keep and has her people around her now and she'll go back at the faith with a vengeance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Quote from: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
the timing of Jons killing didn't make sense to me...why let the wildlings in the wall and then kill Jon as a traitor?  they easily could just not open the gates and let them freeze to death. 

Agreed.

Quote from: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
i'm sure that you were supposed to be sympathetic to Cersei at the end of her walk of shame but goddamn that was satisfying.  she's farged with so many people on that show and it was good to see her get abused.  of course she made it back to the red keep and has her people around her now and she'll go back at the faith with a vengeance.

It pisses me off that the story has pitted its least likable character (Cersei) against its least likable movement (religious zealotry). Who am I supposed to be rooting against here? I'd love to have the high sparrow, his henchwoman and cersei all die in a fire together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 09:17:12 AM
Quote from: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:04:44 AM
i'm sure that you were supposed to be sympathetic to Cersei at the end of her walk of shame but goddamn that was satisfying. 

this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
Solid nudity, right there. I kept thinking how awkward that must have been to film.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 09:22:01 AM
They've gone to lengths to make Cersei not completely hateable in the show whereas she's almost completely evil in the books.  Gave that scene a different tone.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 09:23:33 AM
So, when do we get to see Maergery's walk of shame? Jesus do I have to think of everything around here?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:23:45 AM
whatever lengths they went to wasn't enough for me, she's the most hated character for me. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 09:26:16 AM
when has she not been hateable in the show ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
I love Lena Headey. I think she's a badass who does a fantastic job with the Cersei role. But in doing a fantastic job she has made Cersei utterly nonredeemable.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 09:37:55 AM
something i found on the web

Quote"Game of Thrones" executive producer David Benioff told the Oxford Union last week that the show writers know Martin's planned ending and are ready to push on without the source material.

"Luckily, we've been talking about this with George for a long time, ever since we saw this could happen, and we know where things are heading. And so we'll eventually, basically, meet up at pretty much the same place where George is going," said Benioff. "I kind of wish that there were some things we didn't have to spoil, but we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on and that's what we're going to do."

gonna suck for the readers of the series.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
this is a funny line from Greenwald's recap
QuoteGrey Worm checking himself back into the game like some sort of castrati Willis Reed
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 09:30:32 AM
I love Lena Headey. I think she's a badass who does a fantastic job with the Cersei role. But in doing a fantastic job she has made Cersei utterly nonredeemable.

yeah my hatred is strictly for the character, the actress herself is awesome. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 10:06:02 AM
I think Cersei is sympathetic on the show.  Not a hero but not a black character.  Dark grey.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 10:11:29 AM
in which way is she sympathetic, i'm curious?  she fargs her brother, had her husband killed, had ned stark killed and psychologically tortured his daughter, ran the kingdom horribly through joeffrey, wanted Tyrion killed, etc...

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 10:22:21 AM
She got screwed over by her father. The entire kingdom hates her. She keeps getting married off to men that she hates. Her children keep getting taken from her. Her chance at ruling was unceremoniously taken from her by the only woman in Westeros who could be considered her equal from a looks perspective. She was recently raped by her brother on their father's coffin. She wants desperately to play the game but keeps getting thwarted (or at the very least, delayed) by people who are supposed to be closest to her.

So yeah, I get what Legendz is saying, I just don't actually agree. I think she's earned every one of the bad things that have happened to her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 10:23:01 AM
She didn't have Ned killed.  She wanted Joffrey to let Ned take the black.  "Killing" Robert is a stretch.  I don't actually think Cersei has been responsible for any death directly on the show actually.  She's dominated for her love of her children and unfortunately the first was a monster.  I dunno, I don't see her as evil on the show.  Didn't see Tywin as evil though either, just dark grey, so what do I know
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 10:24:41 AM
You're right about Ned, I forgot about that.  i was just thinking how she and littlefinger screwed him over but then the little farg had him executed.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
thought i remembered lancel mentioning to her about killing robert for her when he first saw cersei as a member of the faith ??

either way, i have less than zero sympathy for her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 15, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
I think Legendz is just referring to some scenes they put into the show that weren't actually in the book. When she goes to visit Catelyn after Bran's fall, the stuff she says to Catelyn there wasn't a trick, I don't think...I think she was genuinely feeling bad for Cat. In season 2 there were a few scenes that were designed to make her more sympathetic too that I don't recall being in the books, mainly some of the scenes where it was just her and Tyrion. The one scene where they got dangerously close to her and Tyrion actually being nice to each other as she was upset about her children and Tyrion was trying to reassure her. There was also a scene in Season 2 after Sansa gets her period where I think she gave Sansa some legitimate advice about how she'll never love Joffery but she will love their children. Etc....basically a whole bunch of scenes that could never actually redeem her, but that make her just slightly more sympathetic then what she is in the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 10:32:10 AM
To echo what rjs said -- she's not as smart as she thinks she is, but she is constantly devalued and undermined and been treated like a used commodity most of her life.  I actually think she thought she was giving good advice to Sansa in the past, argued with Joff before Ned was killed etc.  She's spiteful and vindictive and tries to play the role of Tywin but isn't as capable.  I don't think she is "evil" though and while I root for her fall, I think they're able to draw some sympathy for her on the show (probably mostly through Headey's performance).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 15, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
thought i remembered lancel mentioning to her about killing robert for her when he first saw cersei as a member of the faith ??

either way, i have less than zero sympathy for her.

I think what you're supposed to think is she told Lancel to keep Robert drunk and hope he died or something like that. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 10:45:53 AM
I think it's pretty clear that Cersei played the key role in Robert's death. Seems silly to argue otherwise.

Anyway, the character is one of the best on the show exactly because she is so vengeful and spiteful and bumbling. The performance put in by Headey is fantastic and makes it almost possible to sympathize with her (and also, wow that walk of shame was some tough acting for real and pretty amazingly pulled off), until you remember that she is entirely self-serving and uninterested in doing anything that doesn't advance her own agenda or the agenda of whichever of her children happens to be in danger at that moment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 15, 2015, 10:29:33 AM
thought i remembered lancel mentioning to her about killing robert for her when he first saw cersei as a member of the faith ??

either way, i have less than zero sympathy for her.

I think what you're supposed to think is she told Lancel to keep Robert drunk and hope he died or something like that.

i read into that much more. i have to re-watch that scene but i thought he mentioned something about the wine being spiked.

i do get where you're coming from with her character, i'm just a vindictive viewer and the few times she hasnt been a royal funhole, to me, doesnt wash away all the shtein she has pulled.

it seems by design, that cersei can bring about different opinions like this. (actually with many characters overall)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 15, 2015, 12:35:18 PM
iirc Lancel basically says to Cersei (I think it is at Tywin's funeral when they meet up?) they he was to see to it that Robert had plenty of what they called "strongwine" in hopes of some accident happening at Cercei's behest, which resulted in Robert's death. The scene was portrayed on the show in S1 while Renly berates Robert's whoring and "making the seven," with Lancel seemingly taking every opportunity to get Robert drunk.

At the same time though, judging by the way Lancel is always giving Cersei the Olly stare, it is possible his view is skewed since he was humiliated and used as a pawn by Cercei and Tyrion in their games. No doubt the high sparrow knows everything from Lancel's pov.

Cersei will of course be crushed by the news of Myrcella and it won't be lost on Jamie how both of his children died by the same or similar poison. It will be interesting to see what effect it will have on his character. It would also seem obvious that Ellaria played her revenge perfectly and another otherwise avoidable war, which Prince Doran worked to prevent, will now be coming and the Lannisters will be holding Trystane. Perhaps Jamie will see through what has happened though and be at odds with Cersei over going to war (just my guess for next season). The Sand Snakes were complicit and will probably have to flee with Ellaria before long or else kill Doran before he finds out about Myrcella/Trystane
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 01:11:14 PM
btw - hard to decide who has the better tatas, cersei or tyene  .... guess i need to watch both boobie scenes over and over again to figure it out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 01:24:21 PM
Cersei and Jaime are reallllly at odds at this point in the books.  Cersei more or less treats him awfully and he says to farg off.  The books have handled it much differently.  If they're still planning a schism I guess it could be over the Martells.  Maybe Ellaria's conversation about innocence episode 9 Jaime will take to heart and not take it out on Trystane while Cersei will want him dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I'm watching it, so I'm making fun of myself as much as anyone-- but you guys realize this is basically a soap opera with nudity and a dragon sighting sprinkled in here and there, right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I'm watching it, so I'm making fun of myself as much as anyone-- but you guys realize this is basically a soap opera with nudity and a dragon sighting sprinkled in here and there, right?

and ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
what's the definition of soap opera?  it's a dramatic TV show.  if this is a soap opera so is Breaking Bad, Sopranos, etc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 01:46:47 PM
Kind of like porn where you know it when you see it. I think the overt drama for the sake of drama is more intense in GOT than in the other shows you mentioned. I was half kidding...but I think it holds up. Personal opinion.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
It depends on GoT.  Some storylines I agree with that.  Others I don't.  Not every story is equally acted and written and since they're so diverse in setting higher variance than a show with a much smaller cast and fewer locations.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 15, 2015, 02:25:21 PM
GOT is 100% a soap opera. I don't care, of course, but Z is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2015, 03:47:42 PM
too bad general hospital never had dragons, cause ....
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 04:47:56 PM
Ha. The walk of shame was a body double.

http://mashable.com/2015/06/15/cersei-lannister-body-double/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SunMo on June 15, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
Quote"100% body double for several reasons, the face outline was blurry as shtein when they showed the entire body from the front, two that body doesn't look at all like Lena's body," Reddit user whaucs wrote.

shut the farg up you farging nerd.  you have no idea what her body looks like you know nothing zero. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 05:12:57 PM
She was pregnant so they used a body double.  Dunno why people seem pissed off about that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 15, 2015, 05:49:08 PM
Lena Headey's naked body is in some movies. That body last night was clearly not hers. Tyene wins.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 15, 2015, 05:52:09 PM
i enjoyed the two episodes before the finale but i think overall it's pretty dumb. instead of dedicating 6-8 minutes of 19 different plot lines and doing it bad why not just focus on a few and make them awesome. easier said then done sure but the show has never really grabbed me like most people.

i literally laughed out loud last night when the girl said "you want a nice girl but you need the bad Hoyda." i imagine two writers standing up and high fiving each other after that gem.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 15, 2015, 06:06:52 PM
You can't make an adaptation of the series that way unless you want characters in 1-2 episodes a season.  It's just what the source material mandates. Theoretically as we come down to the last 2-2.5 seasons you're going to get story compression as things converge.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on June 15, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 15, 2015, 05:52:09 PM
i literally laughed out loud last night when the girl said "you want a nice girl but you need the bad Hoyda." i imagine two writers standing up and high fiving each other after that gem.

I told my wife that my goal is to somehow use that phrase in real life at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on June 15, 2015, 10:18:02 PM
That's a staple of my daily conversation. Has been for years. I'm suing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2015, 01:25:56 AM
I'm having trouble coming to grips with the reason for Jon's death, if he's really dead.

He seemed, up until this point, vitally important to the overall story. Even though I bought into Mel's prophecies on Stannis being the Lord of Light's chosen, I can still see it being false....but only because I figured Jon would be the true Azor Ahai and all that. It just doesn't make sense to me that he's dead if Stannis is also dead.

He just makes too much sense to be one of the important pieces of the whole story to be dead. I figured he and Dany would be the two most important characters in the entire story when it was all said and done. Though, I guess it is possible Bran is the true 'hero' of the story, for lack of a better term. He is the first POV character and I believe I read an interview where GRRM said ASOIAF started with his idea of Bran watching an execution.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 16, 2015, 02:30:50 AM
Jon's death was anti-climactic. It came out of nowhere, almost like, "Oh shtein, it's the last episode and we forgot to kill someone off".

Maybe the red witch was brought in to make people think he's coming back, but he's really not. Maybe Stannis comes back as well. Either way, I'm all-in on Tyrion Lannister, if he dies...well...so may my interest.

Loved the dialogue between the Tyrion and Lord Varys in that episode.

Time to go look for some bad Hoyda. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 16, 2015, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: hbionic on June 16, 2015, 02:30:50 AM
Loved the dialogue between the Tyrion and Lord Varys in that episode.


the scenes between those two are always some of best in the show.

personally i do not believe jon is gone for good. to help keep his future a secret until next season i think they may have already filmed his scenes from the 1st couple of episodes for next year. that way harrington is not on set until after the premiere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 08:35:19 AM
They film the whole season in the late summer/fall.   It just makes no sense narratively or as a storytelling device for him to be dead.  I just think they need to go through the song and dance for now or else the cliffhanger has no teeth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 16, 2015, 08:45:39 AM
resurection seems to be the only avenue. the red witch has always looked at jon as the future IMO. maybe i am off on that but i get that feeling.


btw - am i the only one, that for a moment, was waiting for him to open his eyes and see that he became a white walker ??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 06:43:04 PM
So what episode next season are you guys panicking if he's not back yet?

And no, the next book won't be out either. Be realistic.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
it's all about how it's handled.  if they light him on fire and he burns or whatever in episode 1 then that's it - but i expect him revived by episode 1, unless they skip the wall episode 1 and do it episode 2...there are a billion narrative reasons expressed why he has to come back (and not just because I enjoyed the character this season, but because it would be awful storytelling with the whole thing about his parents / Mel getting to the wall etc).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2015, 07:35:42 PM
Yeah like, I can't see how GRRM would build up all this shtein about his background (allegedly) just to kill the character off and not have him play a major role in the overall story arch. It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. Bran would have to be some major type hero to even make it work...otherwise, concentrating on the Starks at all was a huge waste of time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 08:23:49 PM
My theory is that the red woman is a red herring. Too damn obvious. Plus since when is she Thoros? Plus if she's going to resurrect a dead guy who she thinks is Azor Ahai, why Jon instead of the Mannis she rode in on? I don't even get why Davos wouldn't slit Mel's throat within 2 seconds of finding out that the Baratheons are all dead.

If they bring him back it'll be some Bran greenseer Children of the Forest old gods horseshtein.

D&D have shown reluctance in bringing people back to life, though. And for good reason. It's cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesy.

Plus they're probably going to bring back the Hound and who knows what other left-for-dead characters, and continually playing that card gets more tiresome on a TV show than it does in 7000 pages of fantasy novel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2015, 08:32:51 PM
QuoteAny chance he could be resurrected by Melisandre, who returned to Castle Black?

That's not my concern. My concern was to take care of Jon Snow, and he's now deader than dead.
Interview with David Nutter, director of episode 10.


You could take that as Jon is definitely dead....or that he's stepping around the question because Jon will be coming back as someone else *cough* Azor Ahai *cough*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
It's cheesy but not when its foreshadowed this much. 

They had Mel visit the Brotherhood for a reason.  They've been laying the plot tracks for this for 3 seasons.  It's why Stoneheart isn't in the show.  You pull that trigger once and that's it.  Martin did it too many times. The Hound never "died".  An ambiguous is he dead moment isn't bringing someone back to life IMO.

Also I think you're misinterpreting what Mel did last episode (or I am - who knows?).  She realized Stannis wasn't the savior.  That's why she bailed, not just to save her own skin.  At that point, what use is "bringing him back" going to do?  She realized the Bolton banners burning etc and what she saw will come true, just not via Stannis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 08:40:48 PM
My guess it that, at this point, no one but George, Dan, Dave, and maybe a couple other writing buddies even know what happens. Nutter's just there to direct scenes.

Jon's definitely dead, no one should be arguing that. The open question is whether his death is permanent. And yeah, that might be bad writing if he was. It'd also be bad writing if the Watch brothers all walk away from his corpse for no reason and let Mel sneak down and resurrect him (because of course she saw everything from her window). It'd also be bad writing if they have a Sand Snake tell Bronn that he needs the bad Hoyda.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 08:44:43 PM
That last line is definitely true...

Not sure why they would keep his corpse guarded.  I imagine they'd put it somewhere and then burn it the next day or something.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 16, 2015, 08:46:28 PM
I meant bad writing on GRRM's head, not the show. GRRM has been dropping mad hints about Jon Snow being vitally important for 5 books, just to kill him?? Seems...weird.

I don't think it would go down with Mel just sneaking down there. I like the theory that they try to burn him on a funeral pyre next season, only to see that he doesn't burn, at which point Mel realizes what the flames have really been telling her and she goes to work.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 08:37:20 PM
They had Mel visit the Brotherhood for a reason.

Well what was her other option, waiting for Gendry to visit Dragonstone? Bitch needed King's blood and an excuse to show her tits again and Edric Storm wasn't providing them.  They've had Littlefinger travel about 10,000 miles just to sew plot points together without introducing new book characters, Mel visiting the Brotherhood must have seemed like a no-brainer. Plus she got to substitute for the witch who sees Arya's bleak future.

I think all that R'hllor resurrection stuff was laying the groundwork for Lady Stoneheart. And then they decided not to do it. [Or who knows, maybe they'll still do it next season now that the fans are off on other conspiracies.] Just like they decided to never explain the dagger attack against Bran. I don't think D+D had everything totally mapped out years ago, they write these episodes one season at a time.

I'm with Dio on the idea that things have become hopelessly convoluted and rather degraded from a story perspective from what it was during the first three books and the show seasons associated with them. Not a huge surprise since the first three were more or less written in rough draft form in a mad flurry of creativity 20 years ago, and now Martin procrastinates and looks for any excuse to work on side projects to avoid returning to his DOS word processor. I'm not laying all the problems at Martin's feet because I think the show made a number of missteps this season that seem to have been self-inflicted, as well.

At this point the series could have Jon warg into an ice dragon for two seasons and have him turn into a prince again when Dany kisses his nose. Who the farg knows. It seems like the Night's King was interested in Jon so maybe he'll spend some time in the army of the dead... that would amp up the drama considerably.

It's also not clear to me what would happen when Jon is brought back... I guess Mel would have to smuggle him out or he'd end up with more blades in him. Just for laughs I'd like if the show had him go ask Olly for breakfast.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 09:16:20 PM
The episode is generating a lot of tinfoil, which I think D+D like.

I'm willing to concede that just about anything could happen with Jon, but you dig deeper on the Internet and you find some entertaining Stannis truthers and some clueless folk who got the idea that Sansa and Theon actually committed suicide and are now off the show.

It's not completely impossible to me that Brienne spared Stannis (to sell to the Boltons for Sansa -- her 'duty' -- for instance), but you have people analyzing that scene like it's those two frames of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. I'm pretty sure Stannis was well on the way to bleeding out before Brienne even got there, so it's major tinfoil.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 09:17:51 PM
I'm not sure what happens when he's brought back either other than the fact that it lets him out of his vows that he's hung up on. 

I actually disagree about the mapping out part.  I think the show was very mapped out by D&D because there was a roadmap.  I think they decided not to include LS from the get go (Fairley talked about it season 3, so I don't think they decided to send Mel to BwB in season 3 with the idea that it would lay groundwork for LS).  I do wonder now how much has been mapped out since they're entirely off books though.

I also agree that 4/5 were obv the weakest books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 16, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 09:17:51 PM
I'm not sure what happens when he's brought back either other than the fact that it lets him out of his vows that he's hung up on.

A lot of people are saying this. Now he can rule Winterfell, marry Dany, etc because he died. So he's not an oathbreaker.

Maybe that's the letter of the law, but it's definitely not the spirit of it. It's for all the nights to come. In his heart I think Jon would still feel wrong turning his back on the Watch. Let's face it, if he leaves it's because his brothers viciously attacked him, and it's not really tenable for him to stick around. Plus I get the sense that the existing Night's Watch could be wiped out by hordes of wildlings in the not too distant future anyway.

There's another weird thing about it. Beric does not publicize that he's been resurrected a bunch, particularly in the books. It's kind of unseemly to be risen. It's also fairly difficult for a person to believe if they haven't seen it firsthand. I don't see Jon blaring it to everyone who can listen as an excuse for getting out of his vows or getting free meals on Memorial Day or whatever. Mostly because most people would just think he's a bullshteinting deserter, but also because people are a little spooked by an undead guy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 16, 2015, 09:37:46 PM
He's ready to lead the wildlings  to attack Winterfell in the books.  I'm not sure if abandoning the Watch is the right term, but I think it's setup for him to rule overall in the story.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2015, 07:04:45 AM
Can he rule as a snow ? Stannis never named him a stark.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 17, 2015, 08:22:03 AM
I think that in a world where someone named Snow defeats a horde of ice zombies, they might be able to overlook his status as a bastich. Maybe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2015, 08:45:17 AM
valid point. i re-watched the finale and my initial reaction may have been fueled by a lot of death. now im like, meh, it was ok i guess. overall this season was def a step down from seasons 1-4.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2015, 08:54:56 AM
I liked it more than season 2 and less than the other 3.  I feel like the missteps (Dorne etc) were a little more glaring this year.

Also @smeags - when he takes the throne I don't think he will be Snow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 17, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
I loved season 2. This season was definitely my least favorite, but to break it down...

Pretty much everything in The North was fantastic, IMO. As much of a "SJW" as I tend to be, when I'm watching tv shows I don't really  look for shtein to get upset about, so Sansa's rape scene didn't bother me in that way. I've grown used to rape on this show not exactly being used for the best story telling, and it's actually kind of shocking to me that there's a whole bunch of outrage about it now when it started literally in Season 1 episode...1? 2? And, outside of that scene, everything in Winterfell was great. Sophie Turner and Alfie Allen are crushing their rolls, and I'm always interested in Roose/Ramsay interactions. The Wall, north of the Wall, and Stannis' stories were also all great. Just highly upset with how it ended for Stannis. Really wanted him to crush the Boltons in the worst way.

Kings Landing was anywhere from meh to good for me. The Faith Militant isn't exactly the most enthralling story for me, but I don't hate it like some others. Always nice to get a little Lady Olenna action.

Arya's story was kind of slow but also left me thinking every week "alright, so what's next?"...and loved seeing her kill Meryn Trant in such a vicious way.

Essos was pretty good-great for me. Tyrion/Varys interactions are always great, Jorah/Tyrion going through Valyria was a nerdgasm, and Tyrion/Dany is great as well. Dany before Tyrion got there was good, not great, and hated seeing Ser Barristan die.

Dorne was by far the weak part of the season, and it was pretty week. Jaime/Bronn together was good, but that's pretty much it. It just never seemed to actually go anywhere until literally the last scene, which will end up sparking a Dorneish revolt.. But I wanted more of Doran and his possible strategies, and I wanted the Sand Snakes to be awesome and instead they were a major disappointment.

Enjoyed Littlefinger's scenes, though I'm still no where close to knowing what exactly his end game is other than 'power'.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
yeah the dorne, kings landing and ayra storylines are what drug it down for me. i do admit seeing trant get taken out the way he did was very satisfying.

dany's storyline was ok, once tyrion got there it def stepped up for me. now with varys there it should get even better.

agreed on the north & beyond the wall. loved pretty much everything that went on. i mean, hard home, need we say anymore ?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
I like KL more than I expected this year because I like Dormer & Headey is excellent as Cersei. 

Arya dragged a little, too much Ramsay time, and Dorne sucked even with Jaime and Bronn.  Those were my complaints. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 17, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
I like KL more than I expected this year because I like Dormer & Headey is excellent as Cersei. 

headey is indeed killing the cersei role. i hate her to an unhealthy extent and headey is a big part of why.

QuoteArya dragged a little, too much Ramsay time, and Dorne sucked even with Jaime and Bronn.  Those were my complaints.

i cant stand ramsey, but its not like my hate for cersei, he's just annoying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 17, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/738e32ce59/most-famous-times-the-game-of-thrones-nun-repeatedly-yelled-shame
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 17, 2015, 01:43:46 PM
from the you'll get nun and you'll like it files

Was Septa Unella with Clay Aiken?  SHAME!
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 17, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Hey iceholes, how about writing *Spoiler* when talking about the book smeags!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 17, 2015, 06:45:47 PM
Cersei is the chief villain of the series, Ramsay is a cartoon sadist. In both cases I think the actors are doing a great job, but Headey has the far richer character to play.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 17, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
I'm taking a new approach when watching this show from now on.  i hope the end game is Ramsey Bolton sitting in Kings landing on a throne of flayed bodies of the remaining characters drinking gallons of wine at a time from the Mountains shiny new helmet.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
I was pretty sure the map was Stannis beating the Boltons and then losing to the white walkers when he realized he wasn't the chosen one or whatever too late.

But then this happened.  I don't expect the Boltons to make it out of next season.  They're just not important enough to be around in the endgame for the series IMO, so I think they go down next year, just not sure if it's via Jon or Littlefinger.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 17, 2015, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 17, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
But then this happened.  I don't expect the Boltons to make it out of next season.  They're just not important enough to be around in the endgame for the series IMO, so I think they go down next year, just not sure if it's via Jon or Littlefinger.

Or the Rickon Restoration. [Eventually I think Rickon really will be Lord of Winterfell. Bran's a crippled greenseer with other things to do, Jon's a bastich who's probably not even descended from the previous lord, and Sansa and Arya have vaginas.]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 18, 2015, 02:18:43 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 17, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
I'm taking a new approach when watching this show from now on.  i hope the end game is Ramsey Bolton sitting in Kings landing on a throne of flayed bodies of the remaining characters drinking gallons of wine at a time from the Mountains shiny new helmet.

I like him more and more. I too vote for this. With one addition: he's eating the BBQ'd dragon while raping it at the same time while sitting on the iron throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 18, 2015, 02:22:55 AM
Now you're talkin
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 18, 2015, 06:22:03 AM
Why go with Ramsay when you can have a king of Westeros who already has leadership experience?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Nn4MOfN8F0zayuxLVT1-5LECkGTBCibNKKBzms79ufcRI28Z1fUxG7Q9xXivNcoiXIEeGazc7QJY1Pc8OVkaLe0lEJvTGT6lbNedcjbkdOj86S-65XY7HrBQ8VfELppXiMKFXQyokN88=w426-h239-p)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: hbionic on June 17, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Hey iceholes, how about writing *Spoiler* when talking about the book smeags!

wtf are you talking about ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 18, 2015, 08:04:58 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 18, 2015, 06:22:03 AM
Why go with Ramsay when you can have a king of Westeros who already has leadership experience?

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Nn4MOfN8F0zayuxLVT1-5LECkGTBCibNKKBzms79ufcRI28Z1fUxG7Q9xXivNcoiXIEeGazc7QJY1Pc8OVkaLe0lEJvTGT6lbNedcjbkdOj86S-65XY7HrBQ8VfELppXiMKFXQyokN88=w426-h239-p)

culture.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on June 18, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/06/game-of-thrones-sexual-violence/396191/?utm_source=SFFB
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hunt on June 18, 2015, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 17, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
I'm taking a new approach when watching this show from now on.  i hope the end game is Ramsey Bolton sitting in Kings landing on a throne of flayed bodies of the remaining characters drinking gallons of wine at a time from the Mountains shiny new helmet.

redden???   ???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 18, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
that actually sounds like thankgiving dinner at the yeti compound.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 18, 2015, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 18, 2015, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: hbionic on June 17, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Hey iceholes, how about writing *Spoiler* when talking about the book smeags!

wtf are you talking about ?

Sorry. Hey iceholes, how about writing *Spoiler* when talking about the book Eagles_Legendz!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 18, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
I didn't think I was spoiling anything.  I was discussing how it diverged with how the book handled the same scene but I will cover that up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on June 18, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
Thank you.  :-*

It's nothing I guess I couldn't have reasoned, in terms of Snow leading the wildlings at Winterfell, but I like not reading anything or projecting only to be surprised. So, why do I come into this thread? Because I get GOT withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 18, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
To be clear I'm not saying he actually did that in the books ...

[spoiler]im saying he was planning on it and that was part of the motivation for the night's watch betraying him.  They just dropped that storyline in the show (that he was planning on doing that)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 18, 2015, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: hunt on June 18, 2015, 11:14:42 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 17, 2015, 10:58:40 PM
I'm taking a new approach when watching this show from now on.  i hope the end game is Ramsey Bolton sitting in Kings landing on a throne of flayed bodies of the remaining characters drinking gallons of wine at a time from the Mountains shiny new helmet.

redden???   ???

Hunt???    ???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Diomedes on June 18, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1k5sFnk.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 19, 2015, 02:10:26 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 18, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
that actually sounds like thankgiving dinner at the yeti compound.

Do I know you?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 19, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
Quote from: Yeti on June 19, 2015, 02:10:26 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 18, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
that actually sounds like thankgiving dinner at the yeti compound.

Do I know you?

no but i'm the guy you never see in the bushes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on June 19, 2015, 08:26:08 AM
Great, now you've got him wondering if he's Tyler Durden.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 30, 2015, 05:23:45 PM
Finished book 3...damn. That's a twist I definitely wish the show included, if only to give us SOME sort of bright spot. But now I'm kinda pissed if they do decide to do it down the line...though I'm not sure how/when they would.


So, Legendz...what chapters can I read and not read in the next couple books? Gonna skip all the Greyjoy chapters because we may be getting their story next season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 30, 2015, 07:30:53 PM
You're safe with almost everything.  Even the Greyjoy storyline I think will be significantly different than the books.  Asha/Yara is confirmed waaaaay different.

They're honestly pretty much through everything that they did that stuck to the books.  The rest was very different.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 16, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
Only at the Emmys can the best set piece the show has ever done (Hardhome) not pick up a directing nomination, while arguably the worst episode in the show's history (Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken) get one
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 17, 2015, 08:13:54 AM
thats why i never pay attention to any awards shows.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 17, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
Voters must like terribly choreographed sand fights and rape more than the ice apocalypse.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 17, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
There's no reason to think the votes have anything to do with the quality of the episode, or that the voters have even watched the episodes.

It's voted on by other directors. The guy who directed the horrible episode has directed a bunch of well-regarded shows and won awards. The guy who directed Hardhome is basically a nobody. The directors either voted for the name they recognized, or for their buddy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: MDS on July 17, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 17, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
There's no reason to think the votes have anything to do with the quality of the episode, or that the voters have even watched the episodes.

It's voted on by other directors. The guy who directed the horrible episode has directed a bunch of well-regarded shows and won awards. The guy who directed Hardhome is basically a nobody. The directors either voted for the name they recognized, or for their buddy.

basically....its very rare for a single episode of a tv show to crack beyond name recognition

ozymandious ep of breaking bad is 1 that did. but generally its just people voting for friends or names theyre aware of.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on July 18, 2015, 10:51:49 PM
call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance cause one of the ten million noms my show got wasn't for the episode I liked

die nerds

this is why game of thrones will never stand up to the greats like the wire
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 18, 2015, 11:47:29 PM
If anything GoT got too many nominations.  I was saying it was stupid to give a nomination for directing to one of the worst episodes the show has ever done instead of one of the best.  reading is important.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2015, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 16, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
the best set piece the show has ever done didn't pick up a directing nomination, while arguably the worst episode in the show's history got one

4000 nominations and you are upset one of them was for the wrong episode

classic spoiled nerd talk

google wire emmy noms



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 19, 2015, 12:22:05 AM
Wtf is IGY bitching about
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on July 19, 2015, 12:24:32 AM
People are paying attention to some nerd shtein and not The Wire, which is a bad thing to do.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on July 19, 2015, 01:02:32 AM
Quote from: General_Failure on July 19, 2015, 12:24:32 AM
People are paying attention to some nerd shtein and not The Wire, which is a bad thing to do.

not just a bad thing but one of the worst things anyone can do

in a backwards way I kinda like it cause it shines a light on the greatness of the wire which Emmy wise was gang raped
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: MDS on July 19, 2015, 02:18:38 AM
i really have no clue what the farg youre talking about, but GoT has evolved well past being a nerd show

its got 20+ million viewers, 1000 emmy noms, ridiculous critical acclaim, cultural and "water cooler" domination.....its as mainstream as it gets
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 19, 2015, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on July 19, 2015, 12:06:35 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on July 16, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
the best set piece the show has ever done didn't pick up a directing nomination, while arguably the worst episode in the show's history got one

4000 nominations and you are upset one of them was for the wrong episode

classic spoiled nerd talk

google wire emmy noms

I was saying if you're going to give directing nominations to GoT, it's stupid to give one for a terrible episode.   I don't think anything was me complaining that it's not getting Emmy love?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 20, 2015, 09:21:31 AM
wait, the wire didnt get emmy love ? OMG  :o
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on November 23, 2015, 12:04:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUgiBcyXAAAE57B.jpg)

#troll
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on November 23, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
He's not dead he crawled under the dumpster
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on November 23, 2015, 01:08:06 PM
haaa
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on November 23, 2015, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: SD on November 23, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
He's not dead he crawled under the dumpster

Olly threw Nick's body in front of Jon before the Brothers stabbed him
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 17, 2016, 12:57:49 AM
Random thoughts:

Lets assume Jon comes back, because obviously he does come back. If the thinking is that he won't actually be "Jon Snow" anymore, since they all keep saying he's dead, the implication is he comes back as a different name. The two most obvious guesses would be he's raised as "Azor Ahai", the lightbringer/the person Mel thought Stannis was....or he comes back as "Jon Stark". If it's Jon Stark, I don't think he can just come back with the name Jon Stark, he needs to be legitimized by a king I believe. Stannis offered, but he's dead now.

Does Davos, in his post as Hand of the King and, with no living heirs for Stannis, the Protector of the Realm, use his title to legitimize Jon? I imagine not many people would buy a lowborn "king" who is serving as King over nothing with no followers as actually being able to do it, but...it makes the most sense to me. I don't see how else he could become "Jon Stark".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 17, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
I have no idea but I'm guessing with the Boltons flaying people left and right / being responsible for the destruction of House Stark that not too many people (in the north at least) will care about semantics like that.   You're right under normal circumstances though so it'll be interesting to see if the show addresses it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on January 17, 2016, 06:56:36 PM
I don't know if the term "Azor Ahai" has ever been used on the show.

As for Jon Stark, they could have some northern house say that Robb officially declared him the legitimate heir to the Northern throne once he found out that Bran was "killed".
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 17, 2016, 09:03:28 PM
Yeah that's true. They never addressed Robb's heir in the show, he definitely could have at some point off screen written a decree legitimizing Jon and naming him his heir.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on January 17, 2016, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: Munson on January 17, 2016, 09:03:28 PM
Yeah that's true. They never addressed Robb's heir in the show, he definitely could have at some point off screen written a decree legitimizing Jon and naming him his heir.

It's something that must have been done, because with Bran considered dead, the heir would have become Sansa, giving her husband Tyrion Lannister lordship over the North. That's a fairly unacceptable outcome if Robb would have died in battle in the middle of the War of the Five Kings.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 18, 2016, 07:53:43 AM
The jon stark angle sounds more on point to me as well. Robb had to be wise enough to protect his house as far as he could considering the environment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 18, 2016, 08:35:07 AM
Seems to me the 3 ways people have become kings in westeros is by rights of succession, trickery or rebellion (basically kicking ass and taking it). If John can galvanize an army and defeat the Boltons as perhaps Mel saw, it's understandable he could claim King in the North.

The problems with that are - with what army? With westeros is such shambles maybe even the army of the Vale would be enough; Dorne and Highgarden are still on the sidelines and could form allegiances. If Margaery gets off unscathed , that is a big player.

More importantly though, what would Jon come back as? It would seem someone not completely alive, anything from a Beric (more likely) to a wight or WW. That may get in the way of him taking the IT. He could also be a Targaryan and team up with Dany to take it, if he took the rebellion/rights route.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 18, 2016, 08:41:05 AM
Also, what does Jon do with the Nights Watch? Especially Ollie. Another army he could have at his disposal is the wildlings, and have them take over The Wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 18, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
I assumed the wildlings would help jon take out Thorne and the others who killed him. Except for ollie, I think he is forgiven.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 18, 2016, 09:12:46 AM
Don't want to spoil the books for anyone that isn't this far in the series so I'll ask this about the show to those who are up to date in the series ...

[spoiler]
Are they completely cutting out lady stoneheart (catelyn) or may she show up still some how ?[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 18, 2016, 09:49:49 AM
There's a lot of rumor she'll be back. I was just thinking when I wrote my last post that it would be weird/fun to see her team up with Jon. It should be interesting to see all these different arcs start to come together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 18, 2016, 10:10:42 AM
Yeah I think it would suck if she is completely cut out. Like you said, be a little weird/sweet to see her be part of the help for job.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on January 18, 2016, 10:38:49 AM
They have stated she's cut multiple times.  Whether that's official or just propaganda I dunno.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on January 18, 2016, 11:10:28 AM
The Boltons seemed unrealistically powerful in their fight against Stannis. It seems to me that the Vale would be able to kick their asses, and Littlefinger already has semi authorization from Cersei to do it. I would expect a combo of Vale and Stark loyalists.

I don't see Jon Snow fighting the Watch, those guys are doomed anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on January 18, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
Either way I want to see Ramsey suffer a lenghty, painful death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 12, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Trailer this sunday at 8:59
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on February 12, 2016, 03:30:09 PM
As predicted they are using the GoT trailer to pimp that Vinyl show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 12, 2016, 06:01:13 PM
Seems unclear if it's actually a trailer or a short teaser promo.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on February 13, 2016, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 17, 2016, 12:57:49 AM
Does Davos, in his post as Hand of the King and, with no living heirs for Stannis, the Protector of the Realm, use his title to legitimize Jon? I imagine not many people would buy a lowborn "king" who is serving as King over nothing with no followers as actually being able to do it, but...it makes the most sense to me. I don't see how else he could become "Jon Stark".
Although it seems unlikely, it is probably less far fetched that Davos would bring up Gendry as Stannis' heir rather than Jon, as he was a more legit heir of Robert. Davos even helped Gendry escape Stannis. Still though, who is left to follow Davos? His people were apparently killed or deserters, and Davos is the Hand of an empty kingdom given the apparent route at the hands of the Boltons & Co. Dragonstone has nothing to offer.

Still, Davos is highly principled and could legit argue Gendry's right to succession over Tommen, who, according to Maggie the Frog's prediction, shouldn't last very long anyway. Joffrey and apparently Myrcella are already gone, so Tommen's next, creating a huge vacuum at the IT.

Who fills that?? Tons of possibilities. I'll place my money on Little Finger having his hands in it.

I think the High Sparrow will end up a pivotal power figure in Kings Landing affairs of state for a while and it will be very interesting what happens when the faith of the Seven zealots eventually collide with the Lord of Light zealots (unless Cersei crushes them first). But a Mel and Sparrow showdown could be greater than Olenna/Sparrow.

Lastly, it could create a very interesting tension if Magaery and the Tyrels have to join forces with Cersei and the Lannisters against the Sparrows who may want to imprison them all. What if Olenna's regicide comes to light before the High Sparrow? Very interesting lines are being drawn as things start to merge.  Oh, and need we mention, Winter is coming?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 13, 2016, 11:35:16 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on February 13, 2016, 12:01:47 AM
Quote from: Munson on January 17, 2016, 12:57:49 AM
Does Davos, in his post as Hand of the King and, with no living heirs for Stannis, the Protector of the Realm, use his title to legitimize Jon? I imagine not many people would buy a lowborn "king" who is serving as King over nothing with no followers as actually being able to do it, but...it makes the most sense to me. I don't see how else he could become "Jon Stark".
Although it seems unlikely, it is probably less far fetched that Davos would bring up Gendry as Stannis' heir rather than Jon, as he was a more legit heir of Robert. Davos even helped Gendry escape Stannis. Still though, who is left to follow Davos? His people were apparently killed or deserters, and Davos is the Hand of an empty kingdom given the apparent route at the hands of the Boltons & Co. Dragonstone has nothing to offer.

Still, Davos is highly principled and could legit argue Gendry's right to succession over Tommen, who, according to Maggie the Frog's prediction, shouldn't last very long anyway. Joffrey and apparently Myrcella are already gone, so Tommen's next, creating a huge vacuum at the IT.

Who fills that?? Tons of possibilities. I'll place my money on Little Finger having his hands in it.

I think the High Sparrow will end up a pivotal power figure in Kings Landing affairs of state for a while and it will be very interesting what happens when the faith of the Seven zealots eventually collide with the Lord of Light zealots (unless Cersei crushes them first). But a Mel and Sparrow showdown could be greater than Olenna/Sparrow.

Lastly, it could create a very interesting tension if Magaery and the Tyrels have to join forces with Cersei and the Lannisters against the Sparrows who may want to imprison them all. What if Olenna's regicide comes to light before the High Sparrow? Very interesting lines are being drawn as things start to merge.  Oh, and need we mention, Winter is coming?

Yeah i didn't think he'd support Jon as a king, just kind of wondering out loud what it's going to take to legitimize Jon as a Stark, as it typically takes a King's decree to do so.

In the books there's a failsafe for Jon's legitimization, but that hadn't been mentioned in the show.


speaking of the books....I said 'farg it' and have spent the last two months slacking off my grading and lesson planning to read. I skipped a LOT of Jaime and Cersei's chapters in AFFC because the interwebz said we might be getting some of that in this season. Also skipped Sam's in AFFC once he left for Oldtown, as I assume we're getting that this season too.

Before I read those, I read the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms short stories which were good. It's a shame that GRRM is going to die before finishing ASOIAF, or not too long afterwards, because I'd love to see him have time to pump out more short stories from teh world.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 14, 2016, 02:06:59 PM
Cersei's stuff has been covered in the show.  No need to skip that.  Parts not included have been dropped.  It does look like they're including some of Jaime's stuff from AFFC though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 14, 2016, 02:21:54 PM
Yeah I skipped hers more as a precaution of her getting information on Jaime's exploits while he was in [spoiler]Riverrun[/spoiler] She only had a couple chapters in Dance and those were definitely covered on the show.

I skipped Brienne's in AFFC too just because I wasn't sure if they'd include some of her stuff in the show this season. I honestly have no idea what she's going to do now that Stannis is dead. I guess continue to look for Sansa, but 3 seasons of the same storyline seems a bit stale for this show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on February 14, 2016, 06:12:03 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on February 12, 2016, 06:01:13 PM
Seems unclear if it's actually a trailer or a short teaser promo.

Short teaser promo with no Season 6 footage. It leaked and it's bullshtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 14, 2016, 07:10:17 PM
Yeah, forreal...farg HBO.

"Lots of people hype up possible Season 6 trailers only to have it be nothing new."
"Lots of funholes."
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on February 15, 2016, 08:55:20 AM
So millions of nerds got punk'd.

:-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on February 15, 2016, 11:58:12 AM
I was disappointed in Season 5 and am nervous about Season 6 now that they are mostly off the books. I'm desperate for any evidence that one of my favorite shows hasn't jumped the shark. [Honestly I could say the same about the books.] A good trailer could reignite my hype. This was not a good trailer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 15, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
IMO season 5 was better than its AFFC/adwd equivalent save for some mega gaffes (Sansa rape, Dorne). 

I am hopeful about this season from what I've read.  The one thing I have ZERO excitement for and wish they cut out was Dany with the Dothraki again.  Seriously do not care whatsoever.   It's a stall tactic in source material.   I wish the show just aborted that, had her manage Meereen for half a season with Tyrion and Varys, and then have Jorah accidentally unleash the plague leading to a forced evacuation.   Gets her shtein together and announces invasion of Westeros.  That arc for a season is infinitely more interesting to me than what will be the inevitable Dany is poorly treated by Dothraki before convincing them to follow her crap which will probably last 6-7 weeks. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on February 15, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Dany's Season 1 plot was great. Since then its only been sporadically entertaining. I agree that this new Dothraki thing seems predictable as hell.

Dorne was the worst thing ever in the show. It's going to get a mega-eyeroll from me when Episode 1 shows Jaime and Bronn sailing into King's Landing with Myrcella's corpse instead of immediately turning the boat around and sailing the 200 feet back to Dorne and asking why they killed the princess. Then again, the less time spent on the Sand Snakes, the better. Somehow the show even ruined a short-haired Italian girl with epic tits.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 15, 2016, 01:08:40 PM
Yeah after reading the books, I don't know if it would have been possible to get everything from Dorne into the show, but the way they changed it ended up being really lame.

I think they could have at least tried to work Arianne in there. But there was no way they could spend enough time to really show everything that went on in AFFC.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 15, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
I agree.  Fortunately I don't think we'll be getting much Dorne this year.  Also, from what I've gathered Bran's storyline this year seems promising and I usually dread when he's on screen.  With Theon and Sansa gone hopefully we get a reduced number of Ramsay torture too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on February 22, 2016, 02:15:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lGH_DvtBEM
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on February 22, 2016, 03:12:34 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 08, 2016, 03:38:45 PM
1st Season 6 trailer is here. Dropped it out of no where.

Might be slightly NSFW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on March 08, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
Fap
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 08, 2016, 04:55:30 PM
I choose violence.  Yasss
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on March 08, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
Euron in the house.

Think I spy the battle at the Tower of Joy in there too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 08, 2016, 09:28:45 PM
Yeah there's at least two Tower of Joy scenes there. The scene where it shows what definitely looks liek a young Ned and 5 other people (should be 6!) and then two northern garbed men fighting a guy with armor that has the Targaryen sigil on the chest. My guess is the show is going for the "Kingsguard armor was different under the Targs" thing.

I don't think that was supposed to be Arthur Dayne though, as the casting said he was carrying a "famous sword", so you'd think the show will show off Dawn. D&D being the nerds that they are, you would think they would really want to bring Dawn to the screen. Maybe it was Oswell Whent.

What looked like Mel putting her hand on Jon's face....Not sure whats' going on with Davos at the end there. I love the showdown between Lancel and Cersei too. "I choose violence". FrankenMountain ready to go.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on March 09, 2016, 02:03:07 AM
And what's up with Bran standing when he meets the Night's King? My guess is it's some kind of dream/vision thing. I don't like how the WWs are looking more and more human and less WW-like as the seasons go by.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on March 09, 2016, 08:30:06 AM
Seriously, if you didn't get a nerd boner from that, you're dead obviously.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on March 09, 2016, 08:36:50 AM
By the way, death to whoever decided five years ago that 95% of trailers should use a zesty cover song.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on March 15, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/entertainment/Game-of-Thrones-dragons-to-take-flight-over-Philadelphia.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/entertainment/Game-of-Thrones-dragons-to-take-flight-over-Philadelphia.html)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 18, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: smeags on March 15, 2016, 12:26:15 PM
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/entertainment/Game-of-Thrones-dragons-to-take-flight-over-Philadelphia.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/entertainment/Game-of-Thrones-dragons-to-take-flight-over-Philadelphia.html)

Apparently the crowd boo'd the dragons  :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on March 18, 2016, 04:07:30 PM
If they had any sense they would have had the dragons make their entrance to the theme of Rocky
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on March 30, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
Garry Kasparov names his new book "Winter is Coming," which is probably of passing interest to most GOT fans.

Kasparov is considered by many to be the greatest chess player in history so he's not exactly a retard. I think it's fascinating to imagine how a mind with that kind of capacity to understand strategy and geopolitical forces perceives the world and its power players. I'd love to hear his analysis of GOT one day. He has his biases but it's a great interview if you have an interest in Putin and Soviet politics. 

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/01/20/the-exchange-garry-kasparov-forecasts-bloody-regime-change-in-russia/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 04, 2016, 06:36:03 PM
Game of Thrones is getting The Talking Dead (http://watchersonthewall.com/hbo-launching-an-official-recap-show-for-game-of-thrones/#more-60284) treatment from HBO, featuring Bill Simmons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 11, 2016, 04:00:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0ib1NErqg


13 more goddamn days.

I'm beginning to think the Jon resurrection won't be happening until later in season. At first I was thinking maybe episode 3 or 4 but, between Harrington talking up that people will see that he's not there and all that, it seems like it'll be a charade they'll be able to keep up for more than half the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 11, 2016, 06:47:30 PM
I think it'll occur by episode 3.  Trailer is great.  They've stepped up their trailer game this year.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 11, 2016, 08:03:17 PM
Holy shtein. went backa nd watched and paused at spots.....a lot more spoilers in there than you realize heh.

[spoiler] Davos on a horse in front of someone carrying a Stark sigil...! Also definitely on Bear Island talking to House Mormont, and you see House Mormont's sigil again in the battle scene.

Brienne and Pod are also definitely in the Riverlands somewhere, possibly Riverrun, with the Tully sigil behind them.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 17, 2016, 10:44:04 PM
In preparation for season 6 I rewatched season 5. During the season 6 trailer they show Tyrion and someone says "do you like games little man"...was that Ramsey's voice?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 17, 2016, 11:28:03 PM
Seems like it is him speaking, yeah.  My guess based on some informed speculation is he's addressing [spoiler]Rickon[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 17, 2016, 11:30:53 PM
It sounds like someone from Essos to me. There's a hint of Ramsay there but when you listen closely you definitely pick up on an accent that isn't Westerosi.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 19, 2016, 12:39:09 PM
"that's what I do, I drink and I know things."

boner.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 22, 2016, 11:58:22 AM
End of episode apparently leaked.   Must.  resist.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 22, 2016, 12:54:18 PM
Yeah seriously....two more days. But knowing that's out there is.... :boom
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 22, 2016, 01:17:58 PM
addition is a tough thing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 22, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
Is it not Sunday two days from now? lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 24, 2016, 09:00:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOEi4LreM34
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 24, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
Dude. What the farg, Dorne?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 24, 2016, 10:29:30 PM
Dorne is so bad. The show has mutilated it. I've been saying all along the only way to save that plot is more Doran and Areo Hotah, less Sand Snakes...

Pretty much just a setup episode, with the Brienne scene thrown in to meet the quota for action. Loved the reveal at the end though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 24, 2016, 10:42:38 PM
I actually think it could be a path to save Dorne, depending on what they do...

But yeah I seriously wanted more Doran and Hotah. Ugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 24, 2016, 10:43:13 PM
I feel like they realized they farged Dorne so bad last year that this was their attempt to quick fix it.  Definitely could have just not been included at all in the show though.  Book Doran is a super smart sneaky boss along the lines of Varys.  Show Doran not so much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 24, 2016, 10:51:52 PM
I wonder if the Sand Sankes/Ellaria [spoiler]have an Aegon up their sleeves. Otherwise I don't see how they'll be relevant, as Dorne isn't marching on Kings Landing and I don't think the Lannisters will be marching on Dorne[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 24, 2016, 11:07:14 PM
Couple bad plot holes I noticed: since when we those Sand Snakes on the ship with Trystane? Pretty sure I saw them on the dock last episode.

Also I don't think Mel was wearing her necklace every time we've seen her. Especially that naked bath scene with Stannis' wife.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 24, 2016, 11:25:58 PM
They're going to say sand snakes came aboard after Jaime left to come ashore.   It's a dornish ship after all.

Not sure about the necklace.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 24, 2016, 11:37:34 PM
So the Sand Snakes took another ship to King's Landing that we didn't see? Or did the ship go back to Dorne already?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 24, 2016, 11:46:53 PM
The former is how they'll handle it I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 24, 2016, 11:54:36 PM
Alright I just checked. The ship is still in King's Landing. So they kill Myrcella with poison, then follow the ship and kill Trystane with their weapons. Why not just do them both if you're going to sneak onto the ship anyway? Or both with poison? If everyone in Dorne is in on this plot other than the Martells and the guy who brings Doran his messages, why not just slaughter everyone on the ship as soon as it leaves Dorne, Jaime and Bronn included? Instead of killing the son of the guy responsible for the death of Elia, they kill Elia's brother? That's some weird-ass revenge.

If Aegon the Conquerer had this many plot holes at his disposal he also could have conquered Dorne no problem. [Actually Aegon not conquering Dorne by just burning every building or semblance of agriculture in Dorne never made much sense to me either.]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 25, 2016, 08:49:59 AM
have to re-watch that episode tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 25, 2016, 09:02:00 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on April 24, 2016, 11:54:36 PM
Alright I just checked. The ship is still in King's Landing. So they kill Myrcella with poison, then follow the ship and kill Trystane with their weapons. Why not just do them both if you're going to sneak onto the ship anyway? Or both with poison? If everyone in Dorne is in on this plot other than the Martells and the guy who brings Doran his messages, why not just slaughter everyone on the ship as soon as it leaves Dorne, Jaime and Bronn included? Instead of killing the son of the guy responsible for the death of Elia, they kill Elia's brother? That's some weird-ass revenge.

If Aegon the Conquerer had this many plot holes at his disposal he also could have conquered Dorne no problem. [Actually Aegon not conquering Dorne by just burning every building or semblance of agriculture in Dorne never made much sense to me either.]

This ^^^^ is all nitpicky shtein. It's one of the reasons I'm waiting till the HBO series is over before I invest in reading the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 25, 2016, 09:11:31 AM
that's why I stopped reading the books. im letting the series do its own thing. I know 4 & 5 are said to be tough reads but ill get through them. after the series. at this rate ill be retired and living romeysville before the next book comes out anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 25, 2016, 09:13:23 AM
I honestly think they just realized they butchered Dorne last season so instead of spending time they didn't have trying to correct a storyline people dislike, they just decided to chop through it immediately.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 25, 2016, 11:05:06 AM
does that mean, no more epic sand snakes tatas ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 25, 2016, 05:24:49 PM
That girl can't act, so if they wrote her into this season and can't find an excuse to get her tits out again, that's the worst GoT writing yet. It's basically a mistake every time she's on the screen with a shirt on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 25, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Truth
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on April 25, 2016, 08:04:31 PM
So is Jon Snow dead or what?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 26, 2016, 09:51:00 AM
possibly could be dead, or alive. maybe
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 26, 2016, 11:55:14 AM
Quote from: Yeti on April 25, 2016, 08:04:31 PM
So is Jon Snow dead or what?

Yes but he'll be back.  Prob episode 3 is my guess.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on April 26, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
The question is whether Thoros finds him before the undead zombie ice king dude.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 26, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
finally we get to see some old lady tatters. makes the first five seasons worth it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 26, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 26, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
finally we get to see some old lady tatters. makes the first five seasons worth it.

digging those hanging plants were ya ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 26, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
Quote from: rjs246 on April 26, 2016, 11:59:28 AM
The question is whether Thoros finds him before the undead zombie ice king dude.

I don't think it'll be Thoros, and I'm starting to think it won't be Mel either, though I still have her as my favorite to do it..

Bran/Three Eyed Raven/Children of the Forest working some magic?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 26, 2016, 01:57:20 PM
all I know is, is it sunday yet ??
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on April 26, 2016, 07:11:55 PM
Thorne done farged up by not killing Ghost when he killed Jon Snow.
That will come around to bite him on the ass.  Or throat.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
I expect this episode to be slow-ish (though hopefully with Tormund ending some NW people) due to how many characters it still needs to cover and reintroduce.  Id expect episode 3 is when it picks up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 28, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Think we're gonna see Edd and Tormund (and, really, Wun Wun) put Thorne in his place. Wouldn't be surprised if Thorne gets got this episode, actually, but I'd like to see him stick around to see Jon brought back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 28, 2016, 03:59:55 PM
Ep 2 could be a good one if they don't blow it. It's gotta be about time to crank up the Three Eyed Raven visions and bring a certain storm to the Iron Islands.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 28, 2016, 04:00:51 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 28, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Think we're gonna see Edd and Tormund (and, really, Wun Wun) put Thorne in his place. Wouldn't be surprised if Thorne gets got this episode, actually, but I'd like to see him stick around to see Jon brought back.

Show could just be spinning us up here. Edd's still treating with Tormund while Ramsey and 20 good men show up to kill Thorne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 01, 2016, 10:24:23 PM
.....Holy shtein. Can't breathe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 01, 2016, 10:27:54 PM
This show is unreal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 28, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
I expect this episode to be slow-ish (though hopefully with Tormund ending some NW people) due to how many characters it still needs to cover and reintroduce.  Id expect episode 3 is when it picks up.

Glad I was wrong. 

Also, the last part of next weeks promo...awesome, all I'm gone to say.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 01, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
Also generally not a big Greyjoy fan but "I am the storm brother" was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 01, 2016, 11:16:49 PM
Great ep all around. Although I was hoping the end was just a tease, I think it would have amped up the drama to see that it wasn't going to be that easy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 02, 2016, 01:04:45 AM
Last week's ep was mediocre and only redeemed by Mel's last scene. This week was strong all around. I even have hope that the Greyjoy line might be pretty decent. It'll be interesting when Theon shows up, anyway.

Ramsey's arc is also becoming interesting. He showed some character development last week with Miranda's death. It seemed like his actions tonight weren't pre planned so much as a reaction to Roose repudiating Ramsey and Karstark's reference to John Snow as not a brother of Sansa or son of Ned, but just a bastich. I think that tripped the panic button as to the Bolton heir. If he thinks he, the Umbers and Karstarks can just take the rest of the north rather than seeing the need to unite with them against the crown he's a small time player that doesn't get the big picture, which Roose alluded to last week.

Another great scene with Tommen and Cercei. I wouldn't be surprised if she meets her demise via Gregor's sword at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 02, 2016, 09:27:50 AM
I thought first week was pretty boring but this week was good. I'm not excited about much on this show, but the fact that the two best things on it (midget and dragons) may become besties is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 02, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
just wanted to point out that I called Melisandre bringing jon back to life.

yes, I know, it was a real stretch.

anyone catch the symbol left when they drug jon away from the murder scene ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 02, 2016, 12:59:28 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 02, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
just wanted to point out that I called Melisandre bringing jon back to life.

yes, I know, it was a real stretch.

anyone catch the symbol left when they drug jon away from the murder scene ?
Actually, what was really interesting to me was the symbol of the smoking basket (that they burn fires in) in the opening scene of the season. It shrouded the scene of Jon on the ground in smoke and seemed to suggest that since the fire's gone out Jon is dead - except for in one shot there is a glimpse of a still burning ember hanging on (also made me think of the 'born amidst salt and smoke' prophesy). That told me right there he's still viable. The weird thing is I saw the exact same type of smoking basket in the scene where Tyrion and Varys are on their way to finding the ships on fire in Mereen. No ember in that one though.

Question: what kind of story is Ramsey going to concoct to explain how 'enemies' could have poisoned Roos. How bad would it be (and totally GRRM) for the Boltons to find Theon on his way back to the Iron Islands. That would be good for Ramsey. Theon, not so much.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 02, 2016, 01:07:08 PM
so, what about tyrion with the dragons ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 02, 2016, 01:40:59 PM
They seemed to warm up to him
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 02, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
targaryen blood possibly ? or was it just a case of them knowing he is friends with daenerys ?



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 02, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
Dany, Jon, and Tyrion are the three heads of the dragon. Eventual king, queen, and hand. All targs. Or at least I think that's what GRRM wants us to think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2016, 03:34:04 PM
Don't think all 3 of them are making it through alive
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 02, 2016, 03:38:56 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 02, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
Dany, Jon, and Tyrion are the three heads of the dragon. Eventual king, queen, and hand. All targs. Or at least I think that's what GRRM wants us to think.

I wondered about tyrion before, as im sure others did, but as soon as he got that close to the dragons there was no doubt. unless GRRM flips that.

so, who was his father ? the mad king ?
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
Honestly not sure the show is going that route at all.  They made a point to have Missandei say the dragons were friendly to her first indicating that they can sense who is a friend etc.  Doesn't necessarily need to be a Targ and they haven't really laid any foundation for that in the show.
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Post by: Munson on May 02, 2016, 04:25:57 PM
Yeah I think they went out of their way to talk about how they treat friends friendly, and how they're smart, etc. So I wouldn't read too much into it yet.

I also don't think Jon, Dany, and Tyrion all make it to the end. My surprise ending would be Dany dying in the War for the Dawn, Jon and Sansa get together (since they are revealed to be cousins, not brother and sister), and their kid becomes the heir to the Iron Throne.

Not sure if Jon actually gets crowned king or not if that situation were to arise, as he would technically still be a bastich. Even if he were legitimized by Dany, there's bad blood in the history of Westeros as it pertains to legitimized Targaryen bastiches being welcomed to the Iron Throne. But I don't know how him and Dany end up King and Queen because Dany can't have kids, if the curse from the lamb woman is to be believed. So it would make sense for Jon and Sansa to get together to continue the Targ bloodline, even if that kid would only be quarter Targ (and there's the whole weirdness of those two being raised together as brother-sister..lol)

Maybe Westerosi law doesnt' allow Jon to be king as a bastich, so he marry's Sansa, rules as Warden of the North, Tyrion acts as regent until the Jon/Sansa kid comes of age? Who knows.

Also don't know where that would leave Bran. If he really is the new Bloodraven, it would make sense for him to become the King's Hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 02, 2016, 04:36:04 PM
Tormund should be king. 

Dude is definitely approaching favorite character status for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 02, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
In the books it's clear that Jon is an extremely competent leader (although he still ends up getting butchered by his own men) and Dany is more or less incompetent. There's some of that in the show but I think both aspects come through stronger in the books.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything for the end of the story because it's not like this is something that has to have a happy ending. White Walker destruction or something cynical and humorous like Bronn on the Iron Throne are definite possibilities.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 02, 2016, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 02, 2016, 04:25:57 PMAlso don't know where that would leave Bran. If he really is the new Bloodraven, it would make sense for him to become the King's Hand.

Bloodraven was the Hand long before he was the Three Eyed Raven though. I kinda figured the greenseer job requires you to be hooked into the trees for life, but they did say on the show this week that Bran will be traveling outside the cave. I was kinda surprised by that.

I don't see how the show can avoid the temptation to have him warg into a dragon at some point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 02, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Even when he was hand though, it was always said he had a thousand eyes and one. Everyone always chalked it up to a network of spies but it had to be the greenseeing. So you must not need to be under that particular tree.

Bran did show us in season 4 that you can do it just by touching a weirwood.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 02, 2016, 09:48:08 PM
I think the rulers of 5 of the 7 kingdoms have been wiped out in just the last two seasons. I'm not too clear on whether Walder Frey or Petyr Baelish controls the Riverlands in show canon. Mace Tyrell better watch his back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 02, 2016, 10:35:17 PM
Frey is the Great House in the Riverlands right now on the show I believe. Baelish has control of the Vale and told Cersei he'd kick some Bolton ass if she named him Warden of the North.

Yeah I think Mace gets got this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 02, 2016, 10:56:43 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 02, 2016, 09:34:37 PM
Even when he was hand though, it was always said he had a thousand eyes and one. Everyone always chalked it up to a network of spies but it had to be the greenseeing. So you must not need to be under that particular tree.

Bran did show us in season 4 that you can do it just by touching a weirwood.
Jury is still out a bit but Mel could see stuff just by looking into a fire. Quaithe obviously had the gift of sight as did Maggie the Frog from a taste of blood, so there's many ways besides greenseeing to look into the future, past or what is hidden in the present.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hbionic on May 02, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 02, 2016, 01:40:59 PM
They seemed to warm up to him

:cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead :cfhead
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 03, 2016, 09:06:46 AM
Bran grows up to be Ivar the Boneless, and goes on to ravage Northumbria.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 08, 2016, 11:32:35 PM
Wished they didn't split tower of joy up like that but I get building it for non-readers.  Fight was pretty good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 09, 2016, 12:10:26 AM
So is Jaime just like Cersei's accomplice now? Did he ever ask her what she got arrested for?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 09, 2016, 12:41:52 AM
Holy shtein at Arthur Dayne. Definitely did him justice. Took on 4 dudes and beat all 4 of them. Kinda bummed they did 2 on 6 instead of 3 on 7, but whatevs.

Love seeing Jon saying "farg it" to the Night's Watch so quickly too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 09, 2016, 01:13:40 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 09, 2016, 12:41:52 AM
Kinda bummed they did 2 on 6 instead of 3 on 7, but whatevs.

why?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 09, 2016, 01:38:15 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on May 09, 2016, 01:13:40 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 09, 2016, 12:41:52 AM
Kinda bummed they did 2 on 6 instead of 3 on 7, but whatevs.

why?

I'm not a book purist by any means but for some reason I was really hoping they'd keep that scene as close to the book as possible. Wanted the dialogue from the book and all that. They could have at least named the other Kingsguard, who I think was supposed to be Oswell Whent.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 09, 2016, 02:57:11 AM
Another very good ep.

Best line - Ed saying to Jon "That's funny... are you sure that's you in there?"

Most intriguing - that Bran stopped Ned when calling after him. The 3ER said the history was written and the ink is dry but Bran affecting Ned seems to suggest otherwise.

Best dialogue - masterful writing for the High Sparrow and his theocratic arguments with Tommen. Great the way he worked Tommen, especially the bad knees/sitting thing to get Tommen to sit right next to him on 'equal footing.'

Most annoying - again with the just in the nick of time sword/knife/spear through the back of the head and out the front. How many times are they going to play that one, every episode now? It's getting as bad as LOTR.

Where's Bronn? Didn't look like he was on the boat rowing to shore which would have left him back on the ship with Trystane.

Cersei being Cercie at the small counsel when it seemed Jaime might have had an opening when he sat down and said they have to all together figure out a way to solve the situation, and she blows it up. Looks like Cercei would like to go to war with the Boltons/North for marrying Sansa to Ramsey; go to war with Dorne for killing Myrcella/ championing Tyrion/other past history; go to war with the Tyrells if she could get away with it; go to war with the High Sparrow and Faith Militant; will be strongly at odds with the Iron Bank; doesn't seem to get that Daenerys plans to go to war against her (and others); is fighting with her uncle and Hand of the King Kevin; is locked in a dangerous tug of war with Margaery over her son. Also, if Tommen dies as expected, Margaery, if she can extricate herself, would be the Queen and sovereign of Westeros according to the current status.

I was talking to a friend today who is just a casual watcher and he predicted a return of Reckon, not for any particular reason he could put his finger on. Doesn't bode well for Reckon and Osha with Ramsey. Maybe Jon will get to Winterfell just in the nick of time!.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 09, 2016, 01:20:04 PM
i am happy that the books are over. first off, the book nerds can now shut the farg up. why anyone wants movies or tv shows to be exactly the way they are in books is odd to me. secondly, i feel like they've progressed as much in 3 episodes as they sometimes do in a whole year. keep it up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 09, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
wonder if the book sales will suffer. that is assuming the final books ever come out.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 09, 2016, 01:44:07 PM
I'm glad it seems like they're finally advancing Arya's story
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 09, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
that other girl annoys me for some reason. I was hoping arya would actually beat her to farging death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 11, 2016, 09:56:24 PM
Don't get complaints (by some) about the season so far.  Def better than last year through 3.  I think the second half of the year (starting episode 5) is going to be excellent.  Not sure about next week with Dany/Meereen/Jorah etc taking a bunch of screen time but I expect big things starting wk5.

On a side note, from an article:

While talking about the prospect that Bran may be able to influence the past rather than just seeing it (remember what happens when he calls his father's name?), Wright described the possibility as "massive."
"For Bran, it presents a humongous kind of challenge, because we all know from Doctor Who that if you start messing with time, things go wrong," he said. "I think the temptation now is definitely there. Who's to say Bran couldn't go back in time and stop himself from getting pushed out of that window?"


Bran gonna farg shtein up in the past?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 12, 2016, 05:44:10 AM
It was clear that the 3ER intercepted Bran when he ran toward Ned and then brought him back, basically telling Bran he yet had 'everything' to learn. It suggested a possibility of a parallel universe kind of thing in which there can be multiple pasts or ability to recreate futures. (This is also reminiscent of how Bran first saw Jojen in his dreams, but Jojen explained it was he himself entering Bran's dream, not just a vision of his own dream world). It could be interesting and GRRM has a lot of Sci Fi themes in his past writings, but I'm not sure I want to see the show go to much down the parallel uni road. I'm curious how much GRRM and the show runners/writers confer about the story lines as they develop, and how much latitude the show will take. Maybe I'll find out when I go to sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 07:25:50 AM
So the show could take a man in the high castle path ?

Hmmm, not sure how I'd feel on that for this show, but it would certainly allow grrm to take the book series on a different route.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 12, 2016, 07:51:55 AM
If they start screwing around with time paradox crap, I might be done with it. That nonsense has been done to death, and it's no longer entertaining.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
I can't imagine they're going to get too in depth with it.  The only thing I read from ep1 that I think might be kiiiiind of interesting is if some shtein happens while Bran is in the past and tries to warg into Hodor for some reason and that's what causes his brain to get fried.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 09:00:50 AM
yeah, that would be an interesting twist, just showing bran tickering with the idea of changing something but when he tires it's an epic fail, ie hodor.

possibly he's shown after that, a prior mistake that allowed time to be altered which led the starks and everyone else to where they are now. maybe the fact that the night's king even exists ?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 12, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
There's a good Hodor theory going around right now. In fact, it's so good, and matches so much of what we've seen, that I think it's legit. And if it's not legit, it should be.

I'm not going to spoil it here. I wish I hadn't seen it, because it's something I wouldn't have seen coming but makes perfect sense in retrospect. If you want to see it anyway google Hodor theory.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 12, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
I think he influences Hodor to prevent the killing of Robert Baratheon, who then wakes up in the shower, only to find his wife waiting in bed:

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on May 12, 2016, 09:49:10 AM
I think he influences Hodor to prevent the killing of Robert Baratheon, who then wakes up in the shower, only to find his wife waiting in bed:

(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTgzNDYzNDcwMV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzIwOTg1MQ@@._V1_UY317_CR24,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)

:-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 12, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
There's a good Hodor theory going around right now. In fact, it's so good, and matches so much of what we've seen, that I think it's legit. And if it's not legit, it should be.

I'm not going to spoil it here. I wish I hadn't seen it, because it's something I wouldn't have seen coming but makes perfect sense in retrospect. If you want to see it anyway google Hodor theory.

I couldn't resist. had to look.

agree with you 100%. if it's not, it should.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 12, 2016, 12:18:11 PM
Not sure I buy one or two of the premises it is built on [spoiler]ie that just because he's from the north means he might have warging abilities - only an extremely small percent of northerners have it anyway so I think there needs to be more of a foundation than that [/spoiler] but I suppose if he has giants blood, like how the farg did THAT happen, anything is possible (also just as possible it is only a joke, and obviously Old Nan doesn't share his stature).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
maybe hodor has stark blood ? the father's side of course. I mean how else could it happen ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 12, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on May 13, 2016, 06:19:22 PM
I'm with Susquehanna, if this thing starts going "Dark Tower" I'm out
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
I've liked this show because it's an HBO show and has traditionally had HBO quality. Great writing, high drama, fascinating characters, good direction, complex themes, amazing plot twists, and so on. I'm a Wire guy, a Sopranos guy, a Deadwood guy. The action, special effects, magic shooting all over the screen, and other superhero/Walking Dead style shtein does very little to entertain me. Usually they only stand out in my mind when they look bad (Dorne choreography, Lysa falling through the Moon Door, Dany riding her dragon). I'm a snob like that.

The show was never The Wire, but my perception is that GoT has slid further down the scale toward Walking Dead quality since the start of Season 5. It's still a good show, but it seems dumber than it was the first four seasons. Part of this is the writers having to quickly pen whole new content now instead of cherrypicking the best parts from 5 very long books, but the writers are still intelligent guys. Quite frankly I think they've intentionally dumbed it down a bit for the broader audience they have now. Most of the people who regularly watch the show can't name more than five main characters, so there's a limit to how subtle they can be without making half the audience scratch their heads and flip over to the CW.

It has to get far worse for me to give up on it. Time travel and multiverse crap on this show might be enough to do it. I also think it could go the other way and improve quite a bit from Season 5; the Hodor angle is a good one and there are some other great things potentially being set up that can return the show to its former heights in my mind. Nothing so far in Season 6 has stood out as being particularly amazing or particularly disastrous.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2016, 08:33:00 PM
They referenced Bran getting out of the tree.  That's going to happen this year which means they're definitely not going down a multiverse arc.  That's just not something I can see with the story. 

I think the start of season 4 was great because of Joffrey's death & Oberyn.  Other than that, season 2, 3, &5 all had table setting starts.  On a personal level I'll put the first three this year up against those.  I'm optimistic about the arc going forward as character locations start condensing (which it has to do as the series starts to see a finish line).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2016, 08:35:34 PM
That being said, I do agree last year was probably the weakest season (that or season 2).  So I don't fully disagree with that sentiment.  I think it's not coincidental that last year came from the weakest source material.  I actually think it's a blessing they're ahead of the books because I think GRRM fell down a hole he can't recover from at this point.  But it could go either way I suppose - we'll see.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2016, 10:27:04 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2016, 08:35:34 PM
I actually think it's a blessing they're ahead of the books because I think GRRM fell down a hole he can't recover from at this point.

I'm nearing the end of ADWD. I think it's much improved over AFFC, which was the weakest by far. First three are still the best.

He went totally out of control with the scope. He did say there won't be any new POV characters in the next book, so even he realizes he has to start reeling this thing in.

I still don't give a farg about Meereen though. I think I see the outlines of the big twist he is setting up there, but it's just not that interesting. Show Meereen wisely cut out most of the book Meereen content, but somehow I give even less of a farg about show Meereen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2016, 10:46:53 PM
I agree that ADWD is better than AFFC.  Much better.   Still a ways off from the first three though.  He just expanded the scope too far and I'm not sure he knows how to wrap his arms around it again.

The show's issue right now is Meereen still sucks even though it's much much better than the books in my opinion.  This will be the last year we have to deal with it though and it'll get infinitely more interesting when Dany reunites with Tyrion (guessing around episode 8).  Also, Dorne is an abomination, and Arya has been repetitive for a season+.   I think Arya will wind down her training soon and be reunited to the many story & Dany will announce she's going to Westeros with Tyrion by the end of the year (and I think we won't be getting much Dorne time at all), so the biggest issues on my end I think should be alleviated over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
I actually enjoyed AFFC and ADWD....well, what I read of them. Skipped Brienne's chapters and Jaime's after his like first two. Maybe not having those made my read a lot faster and more enjoyable for AFFC.

ADWD was pretty good too, though the repetitiveness got a little old sometimes. Where do whores go? And Dany basically does nothing the entire book, then shtein goes down, and then she's walking through a field.

As for the show....I would have to probably put S1, S3, and S4 ahead of S2 just based on everything that happened in those seasons, but I still really love Season 2. The combo of Tyrion in power in KL, Arya and Tywin's scenes together, and the intrigue of Robb and his war, etc....quality season.

Season 5 was definitely the worst, but the last 3 episodes might have been 3 of the best of the series, and there were some cool moments in the earlier episodes (Like Tyrion+Jorah seeing Old Valyria, the reveal to Jorah that his dad died was a cool little moment too).

I don't think they go multiverse with Bran...in the books in Theon's chapters can "hear" Bran through the heart trees, but it's always written off as the wind.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 13, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
I don't think they go multiverse with Bran...in the books in Theon's chapters can "hear" Bran through the heart trees, but it's always written off as the wind.

Mormont's raven also says "Jon Snow" at one point.

Jaime's chapters were actually some of my favorite in AFFC. He's really weary of all the bullshtein.

Brienne's chapters (don't worry, I'm not giving anything away) start out completely aimless and mostly terrible, but there are highlights. Brienne V has a monologue that is one of the best in the whole series. Brienne VI really makes you feel the emotional hell that two major characters have been through. Nothing much happens in those chapters other than talking, but it's heavy. I do think some of the things from those chapters will end up in the show this season.

I thought the Cersei chapters were the toughest to get through. It's just the same paranoia over and over. She wasn't as relatable as the other POV characters, who are sympathetic even when the reader can recognize that they are royally farging up (like Cat or Theon). I thought it would be refreshing to hear her side, but it was just tedious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2016, 11:36:26 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 13, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 13, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
I don't think they go multiverse with Bran...in the books in Theon's chapters can "hear" Bran through the heart trees, but it's always written off as the wind.

Mormont's raven also says "Jon Snow" at one point.

Jaime's chapters were actually some of my favorite in AFFC. He's really weary of all the bullshtein.

Brienne's chapters (don't worry, I'm not giving anything away) start out completely aimless and mostly terrible, but there are highlights. Brienne V has a monologue that is one of the best in the whole series. Brienne VI really makes you feel the emotional hell that two major characters have been through. Nothing much happens in those chapters other than talking, but it's heavy. I do think some of the things from those chapters will end up in the show this season.

I thought the Cersei chapters were the toughest to get through. It's just the same paranoia over and over. She wasn't as relatable as the other POV characters, who are sympathetic even when the reader can recognize that they are royally farging up (like Cat or Theon). I thought it would be refreshing to hear her side, but it was just tedious.

Yeah true...could have been the three eyed raven trying to get through to Jon.

I only skipped Jaime's and hers because of the possibility of them being in this season.. I think I skipped a couple of Cersei's too towards the end, but yeah they were definitely a little...weird. The lesbian relationship out of nowhere was nice I suppose haha. I read AFFC thinking the Iron Islands story wouldn't make the show much at all, but it looks like they're setting up to have at least part of it. I wish we had Victarion but I get the feeling Yara will be taking most of his story over. Could totally see Euron sending her to make an alliance with Dany. I hope we get more out of the Damphair too, was bummed he wasn't mentioned by name last episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 16, 2016, 12:54:39 AM
Great episode tonight.

Loved everything at the Wall. Jon and Sansa reuniting was a great moment. I know they didn't interact at all when we saw them in S1, but just the idea of two House Stark children coming together for the first time since they all separated in Season 1 was very fulfilling. The Pink Letter was a nice touch. Major LOL at Tormund giving Brienne the eyes. Love Sansa being the one talking Jon into it, she's determined to take what is hers.  Brienne telling Davos and Mel she finished off Stannis, and looking at Mel like she wanted to kill her right then and there...awesome.

farging Ramsay ugh. So bummed that's all we got of Osha. Knew it was coming when she was eyeing up that knife though. Ugggggggggggh. Rickon is farged.

Kings Landing was interesting. Did not expect to see Kevan and Lady Olenna reconcile that quickly with Cersei and Jaime. They'd be an interesting power dynamic against the sparrows and the Faith Militant if they can hold it together. Loras is farged. I feel like he's going to ask for a trial by combat and commit suicide by combat. Dude seems to not want to live anymore. Not really sure what's going on with Tommen.

Loved seeing the tension between Tyrion and Mes/Grey Worm. Love that they are pushing back against him and his decisions.

Dany was badass. Took out all the Kahl's and united the Dothraki under her. Love that she was the one with the plan, and didn't simply get 'rescued' by Jorah and Daario (or Drogon, though i was pretty convinced that's what was going to happen)

Poor Theon. I really do feel bad for him at this point. I'm glad Yara is at least accepting him back. Kingsmoot should be interesting.

Robin's still a piece of shtein I see, and a useless one at that. I don't know why Littlefinger had to go through that charade though, unless he thought Royce was going to really challenge him over the Sansa stuff hard.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 16, 2016, 07:57:38 AM
The long look at Dany's firey boobs was nice.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 16, 2016, 08:08:40 AM
im with munson, jon and sansa was big. to see you're not alone.

also, im with Sus.  :yay :yay
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 16, 2016, 10:14:13 AM
can someone remind me why the dothraki people didn't already consider her the queen? I feel like she did this whole walk through a fire and not burn routine just a few years ago. did they all just forget and now are like oh yeah that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 16, 2016, 10:15:48 AM
That was only what was left of Khal Drogo's khalasar that didn't abandon her when he died. This time it was I think literally every Dothraki there was, as all the khal's had their khalasar's there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 16, 2016, 10:26:10 AM
so now a woman/women are ruling both dorne and the dothraki ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 16, 2016, 10:35:26 AM
For the time being, anyway.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 16, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
true, working at the top in this series isn't exactly job security.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 16, 2016, 10:40:36 AM
It's not unusual in Dorne, but yeah definitely unexpected in Dothraki culture for a woman to become the great Khal that unites all the khalasars.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 16, 2016, 10:57:52 AM
well all I know is, shtein just got real. again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 16, 2016, 02:48:42 PM
Any guesses as to what the High Sparrow told Tommen?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 16, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Read a cool theory that Loras confessed to Tyrell involvement in Joff's death and this is a Cersei ploy to takedown the Tyrells. 

That being said, with promo materials this season showing Jaime at the head of the Tyrell army outside the Sept, I'm not sure I buy it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 16, 2016, 03:31:04 PM
Yeah that and there's no reason to think Loras knows. Lady Olenna told Margery but I don't think either of them told Loras.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 19, 2016, 11:36:45 AM
well this week's episode will be the 1/2 way point of the season. still wish they had longer seasons. maybe even a couple two hour episodes.

oh well, bring it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 19, 2016, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 19, 2016, 11:36:45 AM
still wish they had longer seasons.

Rumor is the writers want no more than two more seasons and both of those shorter, like 7-8 episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 19, 2016, 01:03:14 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 22, 2016, 02:18:49 AM
Looking forward to this episode. Saw the preview again and there was a scene where Bran is facing the army of the dead. In the backround there is what looks like a big tree, mostly covered in snow. It has a henge of stone around it (as opposed to the ice henge with the altar where Craster's baby son was awakened as a WW). Maybe they have a Weirwood tree they can use to see, at least in places in the North that have them (like Winterfell), and that's how they know things like when Craster has a baby, where to find Nights Watch like at the Fist of the First Men, the gathering at Hardhomme, or Sam with Gilly's baby. When Bran turns to see the Nights King, he seems to be looking right at Bran, as if Bran is fully visible to them. The 3ER wasn't in the shots so maybe Bran was alone or close to getting caught there.

It will be great to see any further developments in the games of who is playing who i.e. Tyrion/Masters, Margaery/High Sparrow, Cersie and Jamie/Olena. Margaery has under the radar skills and her scene with Lorus clearly shows she is an inductee into the you-win-or-you-die game of thrones. We know Tommen will die but could Margaery go so far as to be a part of it to gain the throne for the Tyrells?

It looks like Sansa confronts Littlefinger about pawning her off to the Boltons but my guess is he weasels his way out of it by offering the army of the Vale to help take back Winterfell. The piece from last week where Littlefinger plays Lord Royce with Robbin was a brilliant piece of writing, had to have been from GRRM. This line would seem to suggest Jon and Littlefinger cross paths again, which would be interesting.

The lines of tension last week between Brienne and Davos/Mel was great. Brienne is in solid as a rock with Sansa now, but Mel brought Jon back from the dead. Maybe this week we see Jon winning the great battle for Winterfell that Mel saw in the flames. It would be great if Sansa gets to kill Ramsey but I don't see how that would happen. Probably Jon does or maybe Brienne or Ed appears out of nowhere to put a sword through Ramsey from behind just in the nick of time before he kills Jon, that would be par for the course. Lots of possibilities, popcorn time.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 22, 2016, 02:34:15 AM
Here's the typically cryptic episode description:
QuoteTyrion seeks a strange ally. Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) learns a great deal. Brienne (Gwendoline Christie) goes on a mission. Arya (Maisie Williams) is given a chance to prove herself.

I'm guessing the strange ally is the red priestess seen in previews. I hope what Bran learns is the motivation of the White Walkers; this has been one of the great mysteries of the series. I don't think it's just mindless death and destruction. Brienne must be going to round up some more support for the Starks. I'm hoping she is sent to find the Blackfish. Arya will be given someone to kill (I'm guessing not a previously known character). The highlight of the episode might be the Iron Islands kingsmoot.

No chance in hell the Battle of the bastiches is this week. The Starks need to rally northern banners to their cause, which might take most of the rest of the season. If there was real justice, Theon would get to kill Ramsay. He did promise to kill him way back in Season 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51M4totvXQ
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 22, 2016, 04:11:13 AM
The red priestess would be also be strange ally considering how Tyrion works closely with Varys, who abhors anything to do with sorcery, magic and maybe even prophesy. In the first episode this season they walk past a red priest (just before they find the ships burning) inciting slaves to follow in Daenarys' footsteps and basically take up arms. A season or two ago there was an Asian looking priestess saying the same thing about Daenarys so they seem like a readily tappable ally.

Theon killing Ramsey would seem to complete his redemption arc but he seems too broken now to do anything (a parallel to Loras, both heirs of their house but broken and unknown if they can bounce back). 

If Brienne goes out to recruit for Jon, which makes sense, she might be SOL if she goes to the Umbers or Karstarks and end up with Rickon.

I'd expect Euron should be challenging Yara for the throne and should spice things up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 22, 2016, 10:05:01 PM
This farging show.



Great episode. farg it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 22, 2016, 10:10:46 PM
Holy shtein.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 22, 2016, 10:39:08 PM
Hahaha...there go all the Hodor theories.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 22, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
"Don't knock it down while I'm gone".

Jon with the farging foreshadowing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 23, 2016, 01:48:00 AM
Random musings e5. Best ep of the season imo.

Surprised Sansa lied to Jon about the Raven. She's hiding her meeting with Littlefinger (who gave her the info about Blackfish) from Jon and it's a new element in her rapidly evolving character development. You can see LF's influence rubbing off on her. She (and LF) use to say  how she couldn't pull of a lie. Seems she's getting tempted by the dark side - very un-Starklike, but that's also how they all end up at the wrong end of a blade and maybe she's learning that.

Hodor needs some stress management techniques.

And we're full blown into the parallel time/space realities with real time Bran warging into Hodor to hold the door, while Winterfell-past-vision young Hodor is seizing on the ground because of it, and meanwhile while Bran in the cave visions it. And also, WWs can see and touch observer Bran, so will he ever be safe greenseeing again? Reminiscent of the ringwraiths when Frodo puts on the ring.

Another week another direwolf :(  The death of Summer obviously symbolic but will he be raised as a wight? Or will Hodor for that matter? Hodor looks left for (un)dead but I never trust these things.

Although the real purpose of the WW is becoming more clear, the bigger question is whether we'll see Mel 2.0 topless. Another gggggggggggggmilf. I would demonspawn her.

Low point in directing - how did Yara and a her small group make off with fifty or a hundred of their "best ships" without the others noticing? Also, Euron was disappointingly nonbadass. High point - fantastic special effects when WWs blow up, even when watched frame by frame.

A WW tonight looked very much like the one Jon killed. Was that a coincidence or can they be recreated? When the NK turned Craster's baby into a WW, there were 13 present. By my count there are still 10 on the team with 3 dead (killed by Jon, Sam and tonight by the child of the forest). If the original 13 were all of the WWs, which would make sense if 13 is their number, like 7 is to The Faith, that should leave 10 if no Others are created.

Do all the WWs have the ability to control wights or just the NK?

I like that the last 2 episodes had meaningful titles, doesn't always happen. "The Door,"
like the wall itself, seems to represent an eroding barrier between the worlds of man and the supernatural.

Kwai Chang waif has some skills, Arya will be there before too long.









Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 23, 2016, 02:47:27 AM
Yeah Euron is way toned down from the approach I would have taken. He seems like kind of a normal guy. The show decides to go for realism on him of all characters? They should have toned down Ramsay a few notches and amped up Euron. This guy is a master of psychological warfare. I hope they flesh out his character more in episodes to come.

Enough with the Arya training stuff, already. It's filler. I know they spend a lot of time choreographing and filiming these stick fights, but I couldn't care less.

I agree though, best episode of the season. A lot of emotional parts. In addition to Hodor, you had Theon standing up for his sister, and Jorah being welcomed back into the friendzone. The episode was a tearjerker.

Just when I thought that theater scene was dragging on a little too long, amazing tits appeared. GoT breaking out some of the Season 1 tricks there.

Bran's fargups killed his mentor, his dog, and completely ruined the entire life of the person who has been taking care of him more than anyone since Season 1. What a fleshpop.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on May 23, 2016, 10:04:25 AM
Agreed with the Arya stuff. We got the point several episodes ago. Move on with it already.

I'm thinking Hodor is going to be one badass white walker.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 23, 2016, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on May 22, 2016, 10:39:08 PM
Hahaha...there go all the Hodor theories.

some did think it would have something to do with bran being in the past and farging up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 23, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
it seems all the WW's that are 2nd in command under the night king look the same.

hold the door !
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 23, 2016, 07:13:53 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13265884_10110819136066484_108694952330806744_n.jpg?oh=cf8a19e36a623d5acfa41f6027afb0e1&oe=57DC5784)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 24, 2016, 07:05:14 AM
Quote from: Munson on May 23, 2016, 07:13:53 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13265884_10110819136066484_108694952330806744_n.jpg?oh=cf8a19e36a623d5acfa41f6027afb0e1&oe=57DC5784)
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That is so wrong, and a must have for father's day.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 24, 2016, 12:15:01 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 23, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
it seems all the WW's that are 2nd in command under the night king look the same.
racist!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 24, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
what can i say, I hate kind of dead white people.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 24, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 24, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
what can i say, I hate kind of dead wight people.
Fixed. I'm sure that is what you meant to say.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 24, 2016, 12:42:24 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on May 24, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 24, 2016, 12:22:49 PM
what can i say, I hate kind of dead wight people.
Fixed. I'm sure that is what you meant to say.

thank you sir. auto spellcheck fail  8)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 24, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
Btw, I have a theory. Everyone's bummed about Hodor but I think he might be back. He'll presumably be a wight, but why couldn't Bran still warg into him? It might be even easier then. But then poor Hodor's mind could become a battlefield of control between Bran the the Nights King. This could go in a hundred directions. The NK also has a trump card in that they not only control the mind but also animate so they presumably pull the plug on Hodor if Bran takes over. But Jojen said no human has been able to do wha bran did with Hodor before so he's got a pretty high ceiling. I mean, the 3ER has been waiting especially for him for 1000 years. So maybe Bran could re-animate, one way or another. Or at least sustain wights brought back. Or maybe Mel could help him out somehow there since she's now serving Jon (and was one of the very few that left Winterfell on horseback with him, so Jon is accepting her, no doubt why). Anyway, a hundred possibilities how they could develop a line like that, with Bran fighting the mental control battle while Jon and dragons and such fight the physical. Also, it would not be good if a giant like Wun Wun became a wight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 24, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
writers found a way to still keep people guessing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 29, 2016, 10:36:14 PM
What an episode - reenterance of Benjen/Coldhands, Walder Frey, Blackfish - looks like D&D have been paying attention to fan mail. Not giving up hope of seeing Strong Belwas. And we got the Mad King and Randyll Tarley has some crib. Love how things are coming together in the last couple of eps but the out of nowhere just-in-the-nick-of-time card (tonight Benjen) is so overplayed it's getting to the point you can't trust anything. Looking forward to seeing just how well a girl's blind training pays off against the waif.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 29, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
Fewer big things happened than in recent eps but seemed to set up the conflicts the last four episodes.  I'm assuming this is a long con by Marg to take down the Sparrow.

Not sure how I feel about Cersei/Jaime's relationship in the show.  Certainly a farrrr different path than in the books at this stage.  Will be interesting with him and Brienne on a collision course again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 29, 2016, 11:20:44 PM
Yeah I absolutely loved seeing the Mad King in Bran's visions. That was awesome. I really, really hope we get that entire vision fleshed out before this season is over. Jaime's path to redemption, possibly?

Kind of suspected Benjen was the guy on the horse, but was still pumped when we got confirmation. Wish we spent more time with him and Bran really. Guess they can't spend a quarter of every episode with the same story hah.

I didn't think Coldhands was Benjen in the books, I thought GRRM squashed that theory, but I like the story they gave on why he's still somewhat human.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2016, 12:58:24 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 29, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
Not sure how I feel about Cersei/Jaime's relationship in the show.

It's been giving off heavy soap opera vibes. Basically just the same "no one can take what's ours, we will make them pay" style writing you can hear on any show with poorly written dialogue. The lack of GRRM source dialogue to draw upon has taken a toll. Wtf happened to the character progression of Season 4 Jaime? Love that he's getting away from his sister and I hope he doesn't come back there until it's time for him to kill her, because those scenes are wearing thin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 30, 2016, 01:02:57 AM
By the way, could they be more obvious with the "1000 ships" thing? Book Euron is perhaps the biggest threat in the world, and a total badass I really wanted to see translated to the screen. I wonder if we'll even see show Euron again until he shows up in Meereen with his fleet and immediately gets roasted by a dragon while Dany yells some feminist slogans and steals his ships.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 30, 2016, 04:41:41 AM
Yeah, I lol'd at the "1000 ships," especially since even if the Iron Islands could crank out 10 ships a year it would still take 100 years (minus the few they already have left). One thing the show has done really well is find characters who look plausibly like they should - Young Ned was a terrific fit, Euron could easily be Theon's uncle and even little Sam could pass for Craster's kid. I hope the casting wasn't influenced by picking someone with a Greyjoy look over someone who would be a better fit as an actor.

The two current characters who always seem a step ahead of everyone else are the High Sparrow and Jaqen H, both of whom showed some cracks tonight. The Sparrow did an about face on the Shame Walk, wavering in his absolute truth and it is the will of the gods schtick (he had just said he didn't have he authority to hand over Marg, it was the will of the gods). Looks like High Sparrow is a full fledged player for the throne, if only by proxy, like Cersei. But he's not as iron clad as he had been.

There was a lot going on in Arya's scenes. My take is that she had a Stark moment in 'doing the right thing' when she outed the young understudy to Lady Crane ("watch out for that one, she wants you dead" after she knocked away the glass of rum). I think when she saw the understudy mouthing Cercei's lines during Joffrey's death scene Aya put together that she was the one who paid for the assassination because she wanted the job. Aya had previously voiced her misgivings because Lady Crane seemed like a good woman, to which Jaqen replied the hit was already paid for. By breaking the code of secrecy she basically could have exposed Jaqen and the House of Black and White because she thought it was simply a hit for pay. But JH could also have meant Lady Crane's life was already paid for in the Many Faced God sense that the life was already owed for reasons unknown to Arya. I don't think the waif was trained as an assassin like Arya is because she refers to herself in the first person instead of as "a girl" (tonight saying Jaqen "it was as I expected" and "you promised me"). Therefore Arya (with needle) would have a big advantage in the dark after having trained to fight while blind. Unless Jaqen is still one step ahead.


Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 30, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 30, 2016, 12:58:24 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 29, 2016, 10:45:02 PM
Not sure how I feel about Cersei/Jaime's relationship in the show.

It's been giving off heavy soap opera vibes. Basically just the same "no one can take what's ours, we will make them pay" style writing you can hear on any show with poorly written dialogue. The lack of GRRM source dialogue to draw upon has taken a toll. Wtf happened to the character progression of Season 4 Jaime? Love that he's getting away from his sister and I hope he doesn't come back there until it's time for him to kill her, because those scenes are wearing thin.

I would be surprised if Jaime kills Cersei [spoiler]in the show[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 30, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
One thing that's being discussed somewhere is the wildfire images in Bran's vision of explosions through hallways is of the future not some alternate past - maybe Cersei wants to nuke KL after Tommen dies?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 30, 2016, 12:30:44 PM
http://watchersonthewall.com/brans-vision-broken/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

Screen cap break down of the visions. Knew we saw the Mad King but didn't realize we saw all those images of Jaime killing him. I remember speculating and/or agreeing with the speculation that the shadow of a guy getting stabbed was the Mad King getting killed, and I was hoping that was part of a whole vision we'd see from Bran, but looks like we'll just get these visions. Kinda bummed on that, but still awesome that we got them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 31, 2016, 09:04:40 AM
well now, a religious leader putting himself in line with the throne. that should workout well.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 05, 2016, 10:05:45 PM
Best episode of the season by a large margin.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 05, 2016, 10:39:36 PM
The pre-credits reveal was a "yesssssss" moment
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 06, 2016, 08:44:15 AM
no doubt a ton of fans reacted that way. same at the end as well. heeeeee's baaaack.

jaime and jon/sansa are going to cross paths eventually, that should be a nice meeting. does it go by the books ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 06, 2016, 08:44:15 AM
jaime and jon/sansa are going to cross paths eventually, that should be a nice meeting. does it go by the books ?

Jon and Sansa are well beyond the books, although Davos has been rallying northern houses in a similar manner for Stannis. Overall, things are quite different in the North from the books anyway (Sansa was never married to Ramsay Bolton, for instance, and hasn't been to the North since early in the first book).

Jaime's scenes this week followed the books more closely than any other scenes this season, although it looks like the way the siege gets resolved next week could be quite different. In the books, he is significantly less devoted to Cersei by this point, too. He knows she is an enormous bitch and is aware that she's been farging other dudes. He's still in love, but every time he thinks of her there is a huge reservoir of bitterness. Anyone who's been in love with an evil bitch knows what that's like. In the show they have largely reverted Jaime to his Season 1 self, which makes no sense to me given his character progression in the first four seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 06, 2016, 09:14:46 AM
it seems weather going slightly by the books or completely off, things are going to start coming together, no doubt via the bumpiest route possible, to all the pieces lining themselves up for the ultimate showdown, against the dead.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 06, 2016, 11:48:10 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 09:09:50 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 06, 2016, 08:44:15 AM
jaime and jon/sansa are going to cross paths eventually, that should be a nice meeting. does it go by the books ?

Jon and Sansa are well beyond the books, although Davos has been rallying northern houses in a similar manner for Stannis. Overall, things are quite different in the North from the books anyway (Sansa was never married to Ramsay Bolton, for instance, and hasn't been to the North since early in the first book).

Jaime's scenes this week followed the books more closely than any other scenes this season, although it looks like the way the siege gets resolved next week could be quite different. In the books, he is significantly less devoted to Cersei by this point, too. He knows she is an enormous bitch and is aware that she's been farging other dudes. He's still in love, but every time he thinks of her there is a huge reservoir of bitterness. Anyone who's been in love with an evil bitch knows what that's like. In the show they have largely reverted Jaime to his Season 1 self, which makes no sense to me given his character progression in the first four seasons.

It's a little annoying to me.  His motivations in the book slowly evolve into doing what he thinks is honorable and less what Cersei wants.  However this seems sort of an out growth of the show making Cersei decidedly more sympathetic than her book counterpart. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 06, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
Maybe Cersei goes medieval in Kings Landing while Jaime is away and her actions end up getting Tommen killed, and that's kind of what finally separates Jaime from her emotionally?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 06, 2016, 12:12:55 PM
Quote from: Munson on June 06, 2016, 12:06:28 PM
Maybe Cersei goes medieval in Kings Landing while Jaime is away and her actions end up getting Tommen killed, and that's kind of what finally separates Jaime from her emotionally?

that was my line of thinking. cersei always ends up farging things up worse.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 06, 2016, 02:50:07 PM
Looks like we could see Brienne and Jamie on opposite ends of a sword - interesting that she will have Oathkeeper, which Jamie gave her and gives a big advantage in that it is Valyrian steel.

And is there any Stark now who hasn't ended up on the wrong end of a blade? Ned, Catlyn, Robb, Sansa, Arya, Jon, Benjen (ice sword), presumably Rickon by now. Bran was just sliced a bit but I guess that doesn't really count. And even Theon, who isn't a Stark, but I think it's a case of geld by association.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 03:40:54 PM
I was a little disappointed that no one in House Mormont noticed that Jon had Longclaw.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 03:44:54 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 06, 2016, 12:12:55 PMthat was my line of thinking. cersei always ends up farging things up worse.

In the books, we get to hear both Littlefinger and Varys state that Cersei completely destroying the regime with her incompetence and paranoia is a part of both of their plans, and that she's doing it faster and more completely than they had anticipated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 06, 2016, 04:00:19 PM
so she should get a bonus for going above and beyond.  ;D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 07, 2016, 12:37:59 AM
wait i thought the books were over this season. no?

i thought this ep was kinda boring honestly because there was no dragons or midgets but scenes from next week look badass.

arya and the hound def meet again right? i kinda liked how he was leaning towards being a good guy but then he's immediately back to being a killer by the end. i feel like they meet up, he has a chance for revenge with the little girl, but then they team up on someone horrible. am i right?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 07, 2016, 12:40:10 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 03:40:54 PM
I was a little disappointed that no one in House Mormont noticed that Jon had Longclaw.

god a feel so dumb when i see real fans talking about this show. who is long claw? davos?

also that little girl queen mormont was total badass i hope she gets to fight.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 07, 2016, 12:45:40 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 07, 2016, 12:40:10 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 06, 2016, 03:40:54 PM
I was a little disappointed that no one in House Mormont noticed that Jon had Longclaw.

god a feel so dumb when i see real fans talking about this show. who is long claw? davos?

also that little girl queen mormont was total badass i hope she gets to fight.

Longclaw is Jon's sword with the white wolf's head hilt. In Season 1, Lord Commander Mormont (the guy that was Lord Commander before Jon) gave it to him as a reward for saving his life from the zombie.

The sword's hilt used to be a white bear head hilt, as it was House Mormont's ancestral sword. When he gives it to Jon, he goes on a little exposition about how the sword has been in the family for a thousand years and how he was planning on passing it on to his son (Jorah, aka Lord Friendzone) but then Jorah disgraced the family and left for Essos, but he left the sword behind.

QB's saying it's weird the members of House Mormont (The badass little girl that supplied Jon and Sansa with 62 fighting men this week) didn't recognize the sword.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 07, 2016, 12:49:56 AM
ah i see thanks.

but my other question, this season is still going by the books? i thought books were done.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 07, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
In this season, some of the plotlines (Jaime in the Riverlands, Euron becoming King of the Iron Islands) are ripped from plotlines in the books. Others (the petitioning of northern houses, Arya's training, the letter Ramsay sent to Jon, that business with the Hound this week, Brienne/Pod in the Riverlands) are highly modified versions of book events. A lot of the stuff is beyond the books (The Wall, Meereen and the Dothraki, King's Landing, the Vale). And some of it is just bullshtein (Dorne).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 07, 2016, 12:57:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZKgzKav.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 08, 2016, 11:31:19 AM
haaa, that's a good one.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 08, 2016, 07:04:32 PM
And another one:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkcKzvXUYAAPlV3.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 09, 2016, 07:34:37 AM
She was def badass
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 09, 2016, 08:46:21 AM
http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/TV/2016/06/09/Game-of-Thrones-to-wrap-up-Season-6-with-extended-episodes/3531465472192/ (http://extended-episodes/3531465472192/)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 12, 2016, 10:03:39 PM
Another great episode. I'm actually satisfied with the Arya/many faced god storyline

Next week is going to be epic

What was the rumor Cersei was talking about?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 12, 2016, 10:05:32 PM
I'm guessing the pile of wildfire under the city. Bitch is crazy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 12, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Think they were a taaaaad inconsistent with how injured arya was supposed to be.  Talk about vacillating from scene to scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 12, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 12, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Think they were a taaaaad inconsistent with how injured arya was supposed to be.  Talk about vacillating from scene to scene.

She moved pretty quick for being that injured

Little tired of the dramatic Daenerys scenes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 12, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 12, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
Think they were a taaaaad inconsistent with how injured arya was supposed to be.  Talk about vacillating from scene to scene.

Agree. She took the kind of stab wounds that killed Talisa Stark and this week she was doing Jackie Chan moves to get away from the Waif. That milk of the poppy is some good shtein.

Overall a middle of the road episode I thought. Thought it was lame as shtein that they killed off the Blackfish. "He died". Great writing, guys. Another badass they killed off for no reason just like Barristan Selmy.

The Hound is great every time he appears. Didn't think we'd ever see Beric again. I guess that rules out a certain other character making an appearance.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 12, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: SD on June 12, 2016, 10:10:09 PMLittle tired of the dramatic Daenerys scenes.

Meereen in general has always sucked. They really have had nothing for Tyrion to do this season except sit around with boring Missandei and Grey Worm. I'm a little hyped about secret agent Varys though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 12, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 12, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
I guess that rules out a certain other character making an appearance.

[spoiler]Caetlyn Stark? A book reader just couldn't resist telling me they toss her body in a river after the red wedding then she's brought back but can't speak because of her slit throat. I'm good with her character being done with.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 12, 2016, 10:28:47 PM
Yeah that's the one. That's the current leader of the Brotherhood in the books, and -- it turns out -- a much more vicious, brutal, and vengeful person than Beric.

This episode also squashed the "CleganeBowl" hype by having Tommen rule out trial by combat.

Some interesting backstory: Ned Stark's father demanded trial by combat against the Mad King. The Mad King agreed and said his champion would be fire, and then roasted Rickard Stark alive.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 12, 2016, 11:26:26 PM
Some thoughts and some speculation:

Arya-Scuks that we didn't get to see the fight, but whatevs. I don't think that's the last we see of Jaqen though. The look on his face+the fact that he let her go says to me the Faceless Men have a role to play in the story in the future.

Riverrun-So bummed about the Blackfish. Sat up on my couch and said GO WITH THEM. Ugh. Agree with the "killed another badass for no reason". Send him North, let him fight for Sansa. farg. Jaime and Brienne was nice, as was Pod and Bronn.

The Hound-More awesomeness from a great character. Loved seeing Beric and Thoros return too. The Brotherhood actually makes sense for The Hound right now. The dialogue seemed to indicate they are heading North. One of the few groups of people that got that memo about the White Walkers. Must have been a cover on their TPS report. Will be interesting if they turn up in the North by seasons end, but I figure next season is more realistic.

Kings Landing-Loved everything there this week. No doubt Cersei is going to do something drastic in the nxt two weeks that ends up leading to Tommen's death. Also, the "rumor" she's talking to Qyburn about. Some speculation that kind of pairs up with Meereen and Varys coming up in a minute.

Meereen-The awkward convo was hilarious this week I thought. Grey Worm dead panning a joke was great. The Masters attacking the city is gonna make for some good shtein now that Dany is back. Dragons are farging shtein up soon. Also wonder if the Iron Fleet makes it there in time to help. But the Varys stuff is what interested me most, so here's some speculation...

Varys is going back to find allies in Westeros. Now he's Varys so I'm sure he has heard by now the Iron Fleet is in Volantis. Definitely possible he's going there, at least first. If he's going to Westeros, Dorne makes the most sense. With The Sand Snakes in control, they obviously have no loyalty to the crown. However, he could also be going back to King's Landing. I'm a bit worried he gets killed if he goes back there. The "rumor" Cersei is talking to Qyburn about could be that Tyrion, and Varys, are in Meereen and helping Dany. If that's true, that means Varys' little birds have totally betrayed him to Qyburn. He could go back to King's Landing thinking his arrival will be a total secret, only to have the birds rat him out to Qyburn and Cersei has him killed for helping Tyrion escape and gets her confirmation that he's in Meereen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 13, 2016, 12:38:16 AM
How come UberDrogon didn't torch some masters ships while delivering Dany to the pyramid? His brothers below must have felt him landing on the roof, I expect we may see them next week.

I thought is was another very good ep, sometimes despite itself. Tyrion can't help being Tyrion and gets GW and Miss drinking and joking. Amazing chemistry between the Brienne and Jamie characters. Arya desecrating the hall of faces and owning Jaqen. I take it Arya sparing his life means the ledger is now balanced and cleared in their accounting system, which makes Enron look legit. A ton of great lines tonight. My favorite - "You're shtein at dying, you know that?" Gray Worm was a worthy runner up, though. Ambivalent about Jamie's character development.   

Surprised GoT decided not to show a graphic scene of Blackfish's death. Can't remember them passing on an opportunity to see a fan fav spurt blood or get crushed or whatever.

As much as I like Arya's arc and don't care so much for Dany's, they needed to spend less time with Aya's training and more with developing some elements of Dany's, particularly the Dothraki parts. Pretty hard to buy into that, in 2 blinks of an eye, they are all her adoring and sworm followers. 

Interesting thought Munson, on who the birds will keep loyal to. Could have a lot of ramifications. Varys is one of my favorite characters. I'd hate to see him get offed but I could see it at some point before too long. Theoretically, when Tommen dies Marg will rule and she can have the High Sparrow and his minions wiped out, though also theoretically Varys will be working against the Tyrells to have Dany installed on the IT so maybe that will keep him around.



Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 13, 2016, 10:24:08 PM
I think the Ep is getting unfairly skewered in some quarters, but I agree that Arya's plot the last two episodes was directed incredibly poorly, and Dany arriving was shot weirdly.  If you want Arya to be able to do parkour through the streets, don't literally gut her the week before and act like a little stitching fixes everything.

Also reading some places like theringer's little snippet about the episode, I think some people are really misinterpreting the Jaime stuff w/Edmure. Articles like that which said Jaime is a morally ambiguous character who finally selected evil are dumb.  Jaime said what it took to get Edmure to surrender the castle in a bloodless coup.  I don't doubt what he says about Cersei, but it was a clever way to resolve the siege by playing up his reputation.  He tried to let them join Brienne first and then still resolved it without a fight.  He's far from a standard "good"'character - and the show's tendency to reduce some characters to singular traits annoys me sometimes, but I don't think that scene was supposed to play as Jaime = evil
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2016, 10:23:38 AM
everything is coming together. I assume theon and yara will make it to slavers bay. should be an epic final two episodes.

im a little disaapointed there wont be an appearance by you know who leading the brotherhood.

also, im not ruling out a  "CleganeBowl" in some form. it has to be the end game for them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 15, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
What is hype may never die, but rises again, hyper and stronger.

https://youtu.be/psS2IMFkxKo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 15, 2016, 11:27:07 AM
"ill have to eat every farging chicken in this room"  :-D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on June 19, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
I came twice
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Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 19, 2016, 10:20:47 PM
That was something else.

Jaime at Riverrun next wk with Freys while they celebrate = his death I fear.  I hope not but I expect Arya to make an appearance there and it could be a wrong place wrong time situation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 01:41:44 AM
Not in my top 10 episodes, to be honest. Seems like I'm the only one in the world who thinks that, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 20, 2016, 01:59:14 AM
Not sure it was one of my top 3 for the season. Liked it a lot but there was nothing that blew me away.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 08:01:59 AM
very solid episode. the irony of ramsay's death made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, kind of like it did for sansa. that was telling moment when she smirked as she walked away, she's in full zena mode.

also, davos looking at melisandre like he did as he held that figurine, shteins going down.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 20, 2016, 08:13:32 AM
Hardhome will probably always be my favorite because the scope of it came completely out of left field so it just took me completely be surprise even if I knew something was going to happen.   That being said, the direction in this episode in the battle was amazing and depicted a scope and relentless to war that I don't think has ever been done on TV.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 08:27:05 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 19, 2016, 10:20:47 PM
That was something else.

Jaime at Riverrun next wk with Freys while they celebrate = his death I fear.  I hope not but I expect Arya to make an appearance there and it could be a wrong place wrong time situation.

would Jaime possibly be put into a position where he saves arya there ? does the hound show up at riverrun too ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 20, 2016, 09:46:36 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 20, 2016, 08:01:59 AM
also, davos looking at melisandre like he did as he held that figurine, shteins going down.

That was a pretty good, subtle, oh-crap moment.

Dany looked like she wanted to jump down and start doing the nasty with Yara right there on the floor.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 09:56:59 AM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 20, 2016, 09:46:36 AM


Dany looked like she wanted to jump down and start doing the nasty with Yara right there on the floor.

she wasn't the only one wanting that to happen.  :paranoid
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
blanking for some reason, trying to remember back, did davos know what happened to shireen ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 10:57:58 AM
I'm in complete agreement with Sepinwall's take (http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-did-battle-of-the-bastiches-on-game-of-thrones-live-up-to-the-hype). Visually there were a number of spectacles (although also a few times when the effects looked less than convincing, especially in Meereen). But what separates this episode from similar episodes in earlier seasons are the same complaints I've had about Seasons 5-6 all along: nothing even a little unpredictable occurred, the dialogue was less than memorable, many of the characters did things that didn't make a lot of sense. A lot of screen time is devoted to pushing the male writers' clumsy one-dimensional version of "strong female character" feminism, too.

After all that talk about Ramsay not caring about his men, both Jon and Sansa proved they didn't care about their army either, with Jon's painfully idiotic charge even after being warned, and Sansa deciding to withhold information from Jon so that the Vale army shows up only after Jon's wildlings and northerners have been destroyed. And in the end, no one abandoned Ramsay anyway, so I'm not sure what the point of all that talk was.

Littlefinger effectively owns the North now, giving him control over two kingdoms. Somewhat early in the books he was also named Lord of the Riverlands, although that's a title he hasn't done anything to enforce. He's building up quite the collection.

With Rickon dead, it seems clear that Sansa will be the Lady Regent of the North. Bran's a farged up magical cripple who will be off doing other stuff, Arya's younger, and Jon's parentage should preclude his rule. I'm not really sure what this does to succession, as Sansa's children wouldn't be Starks, unless there are some Stark cousins hanging around for her to bang. Sansa herself is very questionably a Stark at this point. In the books, I've kinda been expecting Rickon to be the eventual heir to the North, as a character relatively unaffected by all the bloodletting who can continue the Stark line without drama, and who has the wild and bold personality of many previous Stark generations. I don't think show viewers would care for that ending though, since they have little emotional investment in Rickon, and it would feel like something less than victory for Winterfell to pass to a kid they barely know. So I'm fine with killing him off on the show, even if I'm a bit wary about the idea of watching Sansa rule.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 10:58:57 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 20, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
blanking for some reason, trying to remember back, did davos know what happened to shireen ?

No, we're supposed to believe that Davos and the Red Woman have been hanging out together for several months without that topic ever coming up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 20, 2016, 11:10:34 AM
For some reason, I thought Davos was aware of the whole event...but I'm probably missing that, as well. I thought him finding the little carved trinket was just a reminder that all of the events were known - but maybe not divulged - by Melisandre.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 20, 2016, 11:21:05 AM
Sepinwall's take is dumb.  Arguing that the battle went on too long and was more stressful than not is the point of how the director depicted that.  You were supposed to feel enclosed and oppressed.  His complaint seemed to be that it was more fantasy-ridden LOTR interpretation of battle.

If you want to argue about Sansa, fine.  Maybe she should've told Jon though she didn't have confirmation.  You also are looking at the option where if they wait for the Vale Ramsay holes up in Winterfell and they probably lose a siege.  I also think her characterization has been mature this season, not some male misinterpretation of feminism.  Her whole scene with LF a few weeks ago exhibited that. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 11:35:25 AM
Davos does not know. Last season she just tells him that the Princess died. This season, when Davos tried to push her on it for information, Brienne interrupted with "I know what happened".

Him finding the burned pile in the camp that he knew Stannis was in, with the toy he gave Shireen, was what tipped him off.

Holyyyyyyy shtein what an episode. I just watched it now because I was at Firefly Festival still last night.

That battle was amazing in pretty much every way except for the way we knew the Knights of the Vale would come sweeping in to save the day. But even with knowing that, I still had a huge knot in my stomach when the army was encircled and Wun Wun was starting to falter and Small Jon was headbutting Tormund over and over.

For anyone saying they wanted 'unexpected', I think Ramsay showing he actually had a real, good plan in place and showing a good mastery of warfare tactics was pretty surprising. He'd been portrayed as the 'mad dog' who had a certain sadistic cunning, but I fully expected his sadism and own over-confidence to do him in, and that his actual plan for battle would be 'slaughter them all'. When he was shooting arrows into his own men, I thought that's where it was going. That either Karstark or Umber would turn on him. When Small Jon charged, I thought there was a chance he'd charge into the backs of the Bolton men, especially after the "who owns the North?" chant. But nope, instead it was a perfectly executed plan by Ramsay.

I both knew Wun Wun would die and was hoping against hope it wouldn't happen.

The non-Winterfell scenes were fantastic as well. Dany taking Drogon, and the other dragons breaking out and burning a ship or two was awesome. Tyrion/Dany was great as well, Grey Worm taking out the two dudes felt good. Yara and Theon teaming up with Dany was great. Yara (inadvertently?) knew how to play to Dany and the whole 'who run the world? girls' thing. Though I do wonder how the Iron Islanders are going to support Yara when she goes back and says "oh BTW, whole way of life is changing". Guess having the backing of the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms and three dragons helps, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 20, 2016, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 01:41:44 AM
Not in my top 10 episodes, to be honest. Seems like I'm the only one in the world who thinks that, though.

I thought it was good but predictable. Not in my top 10 either but overall a solid episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 11:50:55 AM
id have to go back and think, but id say this may be top 10. if not damn close.

munson, that's what I thought happened with davos not knowing, for some reason I blanked on that.

what davos does to melisandre, I hope it includes her being naked.

with the necklace on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 12:14:27 PM
I don't think Ramsay's plan showed mastery of tactics at all. He had a huge numerical advantage, plus his calvary was (outside of Wun-Wun) the most lethal force in the entire battle. He decided to use them as a corpse wall instead of as calvary. Also, he should have just stayed behind the walls of Winterfell to begin with.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 12:22:39 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 12:14:27 PM
I don't think Ramsay's plan showed mastery of tactics at all. He had a huge numerical advantage, plus his calvary was (outside of Wun-Wun) the most lethal force in the entire battle. He decided to use them as a corpse wall instead of as calvary. Also, he should have just stayed behind the walls of Winterfell to begin with.

Jon was right when he said doing so would risk losing the rest of the North. Same thing Robert said to Cersei in S1: "How long do the people support their absentee King?". Ramsay looking weak to a Stark challenger may make some other houses covert

And using the calvary as a corpse wall and having the shields surround the army was a pretty good use of tactics.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
Roose would have stayed behind the walls, and Roose would have still been Warden of the North at the end of the episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 01:04:43 PM
I never said he was a better strategist than Roose haha. But I do think he had a point when he said that to Roose about Stannis last season, and that's probably why Roose let him go out and face Stannis in the field.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
Roose would have stayed behind the walls, and Roose would have still been Warden of the North at the end of the episode.

only to lose it in the next episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on June 20, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
how whack did the dragons look last night. a few of the wide shots that showed all 3 looked like cartoons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
they made up for it with the giant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 02:10:53 PM
TBH I wasn't looking hard at the dragons themselves, more looking at the destruction all around.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 20, 2016, 02:40:41 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on June 20, 2016, 01:31:40 PM
how whack did the dragons look last night. a few of the wide shots that showed all 3 looked like cartoons.

The cgi always looks worst to me when Dany is on Drogon.  I thought the shot from the boat of the three lighting it up looked good.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 20, 2016, 03:22:56 PM
Looked like some low-count polygons in some of the landscapes they were flying over, too. Kinda looked like they were flying over the intro animation at times.

Speaking of special effects, during the battle I'm assuming Ghost was off somewhere with a higher budget.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 20, 2016, 03:43:10 PM
ghost was at the groomers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 20, 2016, 11:17:15 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/16707s2.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 21, 2016, 09:55:08 AM
(https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/system/images/photo_albums/game-of-thrones-memes/large/tyrion-lannister-internet-meme.jpg?1384968217)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 21, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
btw - it was kind of weak how rickon just ran in a straight farging line instead of zig zagging. I guess osha didn't teach him much about common sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 21, 2016, 08:51:35 PM
I'd like to think I could avoid an arrow with a hangtime of like 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 21, 2016, 10:20:04 PM
Fwiw for spoiler phobes, Deadline is reporting a handful of characters in negotiations for salary bumps for seasons 7/8 which in turn means they survive Sunday.  Just a heads up if you're avoiding that type of info.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 21, 2016, 10:28:32 PM
The only members of the starring cast I could really see dying in this last episode are Melisandre and the High Sparrow. Anyone else and they've legitimately surprised me. I hope we don't see Jorah looking like The Thing.

Are the actors looking for a per-season raise or per-episode? I ask because it might tip us off about whether those seasons are actually going to be shortened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 21, 2016, 10:49:18 PM
Top tier is rumored to be getting $500k per episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 23, 2016, 12:00:48 PM
https://www.facebook.com/GamingWorldUK/videos/1007001282740785/

Jesus christ haven't laughed this hard at a GOT meme ever.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 24, 2016, 09:47:00 AM
btw - I assume with the battle for winterfel leaving so many dead, jon and the boys had one hell of a bonfire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 24, 2016, 10:01:55 AM
I would hope so...or it'll be going down sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2016, 10:16:04 PM
That episode was everything.  The music for Cersei.  Jesus
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 26, 2016, 10:21:03 PM
Now THAT was a motherfargin episode!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 26, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2016, 10:16:04 PM
That episode was everything.  The music for Cersei.  Jesus

Agreed

Baelish isn't too happy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 27, 2016, 01:22:21 AM
That might be a top 5 for me, and maybe the most complex episode they have put together, certainly one of the most jam-packed. Nearly   everything was very well done. A lot to digest as Walder might say. Or not. And the best thing of all was there were no new characters sporting a man bun.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 27, 2016, 02:15:58 AM
One of my favorite parts was Dany telling Daario that he's not an interesting enough character to bring to Westeros. IMHO she should have left Grey Worm and Missandei back there to help him, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2016, 07:58:34 AM
[spoiler]talk about cutting the cast budget.[/spoiler]

holy crap that was an unbelievable episode.

"they're right here sir"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2016, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2016, 10:16:04 PM
That episode was everything.  The music for Cersei.  Jesus

Baelish isn't too happy.

sansa's face when she made eye contact with him was telling.
[spoiler]
wait till it comes out that he's not ned's son.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 27, 2016, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: smeags on June 27, 2016, 08:30:03 AM
Quote from: SD on June 26, 2016, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on June 26, 2016, 10:16:04 PM
That episode was everything.  The music for Cersei.  Jesus

Baelish isn't too happy.

sansa's face when she made eye contact with him was telling.
[spoiler]
wait till it comes out that he's not ned's son.[/spoiler]

The music, with the cut aways to the scenes where Cersei was having her enemies killed, was reminiscent of The Godfather and their use of music when Michael was in the church while his rivals were being knocked off. So many good things in that ep.

Lord Royce basically said the Vale wouldn't fight along with John (ie side with wildlings), presumably at LFs behest, but they never changed their tune when the other lords did. LF must realize that he overplayed his ...position. First big mistake he's made, especially if he openly declared for the Starks and John will find out that LF wanted to set Sansa and Jon against each other. It will be interesting to see if he makes it back to the Vale alive. And Olena v Sand Snakes ftw.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2016, 01:49:41 PM
somehow I think littlefinger finds out about jon. that's a game changer.

so hyped after that episode last night. may have to binge through the series again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 27, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
At least it answered the question of some of Bran's vision.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Beermonkey on June 27, 2016, 02:39:01 PM
This was my favorite scene, as it worked on 2 levels. Not only were their characters not fit to be in the scene with Olenna, them as actresses weren't either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF3pLjxaHaM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF3pLjxaHaM)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Susquehanna Birder on June 27, 2016, 02:53:14 PM
And to think I used to fantasize over Diana Rigg.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2016, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: Susquehanna Birder on June 27, 2016, 02:53:14 PM
And to think I used to fantasize over Diana Rigg.

please tell me not when you watched the great muppet caper.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 27, 2016, 03:48:14 PM
Yeah they got meta in that Sand Snakes scene. They know those characters are trash. I was saying before the season that any scene in which Tyene appears with a shirt on is a mistake. They met me halfway by giving her zero lines this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on June 27, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/jPUKE2BngzZFHQUU5jljdFuhK-k/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2016/06/27/772/n/1922283/a978f300964c5510_tumblr_inline_o9et7mySuK1u24h73_500.gif)

"Excuse me, your Grace, can I have a minute....DOH"
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 27, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
Now we know why they call it Kings Landing
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 28, 2016, 01:45:52 AM
What a great episode.

The entire first sequence reminded me of the end of the Godfather. It pretty much all went down how I assumed it would, minus Tommen killing himself instead of being in the Sept too. What an evil bitch Cersei is. She did what the Mad King threatened to do and ended up dead for. I am pretty convinced Jaime ends up killing Cersei next season. Would be fitting/awesome if he did so as Dany sacked the city and Cersei orders Qyburn to light the other wildfire caches.

The King in the North! Happy to be able to drunkenly shout that again. Pretty great scenes up North all around. Sansa ain't buying Littlefingers shtein, and he's pissed. Definitely did not go into his plan expecting to be part of restoring a King in the North to the throne. Not sure how he's going to move on his plans now. Doesn't matter much, between Dany's dragons and the White Walkers, he'll find out real quick next season that it doesn't matter.

Benjen definitely winked at Bran when he dropped him down next to the Weirwood tree. He definitely knew Bran would plug into the Weirnet and knew what he'd see. Makes sense that he knows about Jon, considering what he said in S1Ep1 about Jon not knowing what he would be giving up by joining the Night's Watch. No reason why Ned wouldn't tell him either. That also probably explains why he joined the Night's Watch almost immediately after Ned came back from the Rebellion. He and Ned probably agreed the Wall was the safest place for Benjen in case the secret got out, and Benjen would be less likely to tell anyone that mattered up there.
Interesting that the episode itself didn't make it completely obvious that both 1. Rhaegar is the father, and 2. It was a willing, consensual thing. It's not even super obvious to anyone who doesn't internet around for the answers that Rhaegar is the father, unless you watched the "previously on" thing. Wonder if they're waiting until next season to make that more obvious.

Also can't wait to see what happens when that info gets out. The obvious thing is Jon and Dany make a marriage pact to unite the North and the lower kingdoms, and gear up for the final fight for the dawn. But we need Bran and/or Howland Reed. And most people probably won't believe Bran without Howland there to back up the story. Really hoping we finally see him this season.

GRRM needs to finish this farging book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on June 28, 2016, 02:42:06 AM
GRRM is in hell with this book. He's clearly cranking out less than a page a day. It seems like he grasps at every side project that comes along. It's become a burden to him. I don't expect him to wrap up the Dunk and Egg stories anytime in the next 10 years, let alone ASOIAF.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 28, 2016, 07:57:04 AM
this show is securely #1 on my all time list now. there is no longer a (1b)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 28, 2016, 08:14:55 AM
Quote from: smeags on June 28, 2016, 07:57:04 AM
this show is securely #1 on my all time list now. there is no longer a (1b)

It may have surpassed the Wire with the past episode *igybatsignal
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 29, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
I agree with all the godfather references. very similar and very well done in this episode.

Arya takin care of biz.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 01, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13510890_1059712787415066_7488300731993642922_n.jpg?oh=7e8cd36197b4004c95b191b6d19d79a0&oe=57EAD467)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 05, 2016, 07:58:36 AM
started re-watching the series. so damn good.


wondering to myself, could there be a prequel series somewhere down the road ? these visions bran is having opens the door up to run with it I think.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 05, 2016, 11:14:23 AM
Martin has discussed the possibility. I think they would look toward events of the more distant past, like the Dance of the Dragons or the Dunk and Egg stories, rather than something like Robert's Rebellion which would use younger versions of the same characters.

My preference would be Dunk and Egg because that would give them the opportunity to focus on two characters, after the sprawl of Game of Thrones. The Dance of the Dragons is roughly as complex as the time period currently depicted on the show. Plus the CGI budget would be much lower for Dunk and Egg, which took place while all the dragons were dead.

Also, neither side of the Dance is one the audience could really feel comfortable rooting for. It was a civil war between two brutal sides.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 05, 2016, 11:25:33 AM
I could def see something down the road. I was thinking the beginning. when the night king was created.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 05, 2016, 11:51:03 AM
If they really wanted to nerd out, they could make it a mockumentary type series where they take the info in "The World of Ice and Fire" book and turn some of that into single or two part episodes.

I'd love to see Robert's Rebellion and everything leading up to it/around it, but I would guess Dunk & Egg would be easiest.

Dance would be confusing as hell for everyone to differentiate between the different Targs and their dragons
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 06, 2016, 09:38:21 PM
Season 7 delayed for what sounds like a bullshtein reason: http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/-game-of-thrones-season-seven-has-been-delayed/411403
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 06, 2016, 12:11:02 PM
Maester Aemon died
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on December 06, 2016, 12:24:18 PM
Quote from: Munson on December 06, 2016, 12:11:02 PM
Maester Aemon died

and now his watch has ended.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on December 06, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
hope he chose cremation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Yeti on February 01, 2017, 01:30:47 AM
(http://content.boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/monthly_2017_02/IMG_3666.JPG.1e35d3f5f2e5cbb02a00a4835b6267f6.JPG)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on February 03, 2017, 07:58:57 AM
dear don,

great timing, he's dead.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on February 07, 2017, 10:55:32 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 07, 2017, 11:09:35 PM
I'd marry Sophie Turner without meeting her.

Hell, Arya turns 20 soon and looks damn good outside of the show. Never would have guessed that'd be in her future after Season 2 lol.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on February 17, 2017, 09:07:28 PM
My daughter has taken a liking to the Simpsons reruns on FXX. GOT Simpsons opener

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcSSpw7t044
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 19, 2017, 09:59:17 PM
Hah that's awesome
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on March 01, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
Anyone check this out?
http://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2017/03/01/review-game-thrones-concert-soars-philadelphia/98560324/  I've always particularly liked the music, be cool to see if they keep with their over the top production for the concert.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on March 31, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWfvtnHtS0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxWfvtnHtS0)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on March 31, 2017, 01:46:24 PM
Summer is coming
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on March 31, 2017, 02:26:13 PM
john ready in winterfel, dany ready in dragonstone & cersei sitting and thinking, damn this is not what I expected when I killed my husband the king.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 31, 2017, 04:48:07 PM
When did we get the trailer last year? Really don't want to wait until June to get an actual trailer with new footage
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on March 31, 2017, 06:16:09 PM
Last year was earlier than normal.  Came out about 3 months before premiere so my guess is toward the end of next month.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 01, 2017, 10:44:32 PM
I hope they don't farg it up again with spoilers like they did last year with showing the wildfire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 02, 2017, 11:17:25 PM
https://twitter.com/the_ironsheik/status/848730393260040192
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on April 03, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
7/16 premiere.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 24, 2017, 04:21:54 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giYeaKsXnsI
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 24, 2017, 05:17:57 PM
Can't wait. I have no idea how the Lannisters can stand up to what's coming towards them. From the trailer I'm assuming this season is about the Lannisters being conquered and Danerys taking up the throne. Then next season will be geared towards the war with the White Walkers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on June 21, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mlhnt0jMlg

Best trailer yet?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 21, 2017, 12:45:00 PM
Yeah holy shtein at that one.

If you watched the first trailer there are some major spoilers in this one, I.e. More or less confirming that certain characters are together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on June 27, 2017, 09:09:16 AM
fap
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on July 16, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
And so it begins
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 16, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
No...now it ends.

Holy shtein at the cold open. Good episode served to catch us up on where everyone is. The downside to showing us everyone is such short time with some of the characters. Wanted to see Bran more, etc.

Don't like Arya going south. Want her going North to meet up with the rest of the family. Hoping she hears the news of Jon being KITN and goes back.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 16, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
One of GOTs weaker eps imo, though the first ep of the season gets a bit of a pass if it follows a previous year that ended without cliff hangers.

With how much time they invested in Arya's training -  which was mostly about fighting or walking around the docs blind or poisoning people - and almost nothing about face changing -  it was dumb how Arya was supposed to be able to impersonate Walder, with his voice, height, talking mannerisms etc. 

The actor playing Euron isn't well cast imo but his writing is good. I guess he's off to get Tyrion's head.

Jorah's not looking too good. Maybe he can give gray scale to the Night's King and the AoD.

One of the great strengths of GOT is the 1:1 character arcs like Brienne/Jamie or Arya/Hound. It looks like another good one is developing with Jon and Sansa. Sam's doing  great avoiding a FML attitude - but won't his father be not far behind looking for his sword? Another piece I hope the don't just drop is Septa Unella's wineboarding.

When Mel took Gendry she looked into Arya's eyes and said "we'll meet again," and Mel was on Arya's list. Looking forward to that meet up. MAybe Arya kills her and someone like Thoros brings her back.

Great piece with how the Lannister soldiers were humanized for Arya. As a group, it became a nice variation on the POV theme that GOT does so well. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on July 16, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 16, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
With how much time they invested in Arya's training -  which was mostly about fighting or walking around the docs blind or poisoning people - and almost nothing about face changing -  it was dumb how Arya was supposed to be able to impersonate Walder, with his voice, height, talking mannerisms etc. 

Ha yeah I said the same thing then my girl was like um there's dragons in this show.

Honestly throughout all of GOT, the thing that is most unbelievable to me and bothers me the most is that dude found that girl's little toy horse in a giant field covered in snow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 17, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 16, 2017, 10:59:34 PMAnother piece I hope the don't just drop is Septa Unella's wineboarding.

I can't imagine why they'd have to return to that. Although I can't say I expected them to return to the house the Hound stole from.

Quote from: phattymatty on July 16, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
Honestly throughout all of GOT, the thing that is most unbelievable to me and bothers me the most is that dude found that girl's little toy horse in a giant field covered in snow.

Finding Dany's ring in the grass in a random place on the continent was kinda far out there too.

I thought it was okay tonight. A few cheesy moments (the Sansa vs Jon public disagreement seemed contrived) but nothing that made me say "come the farg on". I liked the character building moments with the Hound and Arya the best.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 01:39:07 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on July 17, 2017, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 16, 2017, 10:59:34 PMAnother piece I hope the don't just drop is Septa Unella's wineboarding.

I can't imagine why they'd have to return to that. Although I can't say I expected them to return to the house the Hound stole from.

Quote from: phattymatty on July 16, 2017, 11:18:11 PM
Honestly throughout all of GOT, the thing that is most unbelievable to me and bothers me the most is that dude found that girl's little toy horse in a giant field covered in snow.

Finding Dany's ring in the grass in a random place on the continent was kinda far out there too.

I thought it was okay tonight. A few cheesy moments (the Sansa vs Jon public disagreement seemed contrived) but nothing that made me say "come the farg on". I liked the character building moments with the Hound and Arya the best.
For Unella, I'd rather them have some sort of ending, even if it is just a mention in passing, like she didn't last as long as Cersei thought. Otherwise it's just poor form in writing, especially when a key character has repeatedly made a vow (Cersei's face will be the last thing Unella sees).

As for finding Dany's ring, that actually was well done. They were tracking her and saw the lines the Dothraki horses made when they converged from the hills and rode in a circle around her. Jorah went to the center of the circle and saw the ring there. I think Dany knew this when she dropped the ring. We've seen an number of examples where riders circle around someone to intimidate, farg with, subdue (Yara and her clan around Theon, the Dothraki, and even the scene where young Ned yells at Liana to back off as she rides around him).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 01:53:39 AM
QuoteHa yeah I said the same thing then my girl was like um there's dragons in this show.

This is actually the key to the whole show for me. I don't really like the fantasy genre. GOT is the exception for me because of their uncanny ability to induce a suspension of disbelief. It is so good that I'm willing to tell the part of mind that says this isn't real to shut up so I can be taken away with the story. That's why little things bug me that disrupt this. Like tonight Dany's wig had like 3 diffreent sets of braids in the Dragonstone scene. Or like when for example the stonemen were dropping into and climbing up Tyrion and Jorah's boat in Valyria, even through the fight scene I don't think the boat rocked one inch. When there are blunders or stuff looks obviously fake, the farg up just derails that suspension of disbelief and brings it back down to earth.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 17, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
Jaqen in the beginning of season 5 transformed from a large old black man into himself.  I don't particularly like the idea that it can happen at all but there's precedent in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 17, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
great opening scene, the rest seemed to be all setup.

oh but also, frozen giant zombies are coming !
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on July 17, 2017, 09:31:29 AM
I also know why he exists as a character and suspect he'll have an important role to play but if Sam just disappeared I wouldn't complain.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 17, 2017, 10:52:54 AM
Lol I thought the Sam montage was hilarious, even if it was a bit out of place for this show.

But yeah him going to the Citadel all but assured that he was going to be vital in the fight against the dead.

I'm kind of disappointed that the breakthrough was just him finding more dragon glass, I was hoping he'd find some old forgotten secret about valyrian steel or some other way to fight the dead or etc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
They were looking for a way to defeat the walkers, dragon glass is the way. He found the mother load. Dragon glass is just as valuable against walkers as valyrian steel.

My only complaint was the opening scene was way too predictable.

Most underrated character on the show is Lyanna Mormont. What a little bad ass.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:06:18 AM
My biggest curiosity this year is if there's an important link between the Iron Bank and The House of Black and White. I mean, how could there not be? They are both ancient and neighbors in Braavos and two of the most powerful organizations in he world. The Iron Bank is he major control of finances even in Westeros (as Tywin says 'We all live in it's shadow and almost nobody realizes it') and are owed gazillions by the crown. The HBW are assassins and charge astronomical sums for very high value targets. Makes sense that they do secret business. What if they have been training Arya all along knowing she'd take out Cersei and Tywin (though now dead, obviously) and she is something of a pawn? How will the Iron Bank get its money back before the long winter and all it brings? I wouldn't be surprised if LF was or will become involved with them.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 17, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
I feel like it's def been implied, maybe just in the books, that the Iron Bank hires Faceless Men sometimes. I don't know if it's that elaborate of a ploy, but I def expect the Iron Bank to show up again this season. With Tywin dead and Stannis dead they're gonna want to make sure Cersei understands that they need their money now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
They were looking for a way to defeat the walkers, dragon glass is the way. He found the mother load. Dragon glass is just as valuable against walkers as valyrian steel.

My only complaint was the opening scene was way too predictable.

Most underrated character on the show is Lyanna Mormont. What a little bad ass.
I have to say I didn't like Lyanna's outburst to Lord Glover this time (the last tie was great). All Glover said was to question if he had to put a sword in his daughter's hand, not every girl's, and Lyanna went on some rant about she doesn't need permission to arm herself, but he said nothing of the sort.


I think Sam will have more big reveals than just the dragon glass deposit, especially since we already knew of it through Stannis. One clue was the astrolabe, just about the first thing we see when Sam went to the Citadel front desk (and then again as those strange chandeliers). It is the central most symbol in GOT aside from the iron throne.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Munson on July 17, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
I feel like it's def been implied, maybe just in the books, that the Iron Bank hires Faceless Men sometimes. I don't know if it's that elaborate of a ploy, but I def expect the Iron Bank to show up again this season. With Tywin dead and Stannis dead they're gonna want to make sure Cersei understands that they need their money now.
Yes, and they also probably understand she isn't long for the world as well - and they probably understand she is broke, otherwise why would they have been borrowing so much and then needing the Tyrells so badly. Davos owes them more than a nice chunk of change now as well (Stannis really, but I'm sure they will come looking for Davos) and expect him to continue overthrowing the Lannisters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
They were looking for a way to defeat the walkers, dragon glass is the way. He found the mother load. Dragon glass is just as valuable against walkers as valyrian steel.

My only complaint was the opening scene was way too predictable.

Most underrated character on the show is Lyanna Mormont. What a little bad ass.
I have to say I didn't like Lyanna's outburst to Lord Glover this time (the last tie was great). All Glover said was to question if he had to put a sword in his daughter's hand, not every girl's, and Lyanna went on some rant about she doesn't need permission to arm herself, but he said nothing of the sort.

I don't remember the exact interaction, but it came across to me as her saying if I am willing to put a sword in my hand and get my hands dirty and I'm a young ruler of my house than your people should do the same. He was disagreeing with the premise, the rest of the room would have probably agreed with him, she stepped in and out alpha maled. I mean, how do you save face in a room full of men and leaders when a young girl is saying she's willing to put a sword in her hand.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 17, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
Yeah I wonder if Davos gets held responsible for Stannis' debts now, or if they write it off as a sunk cost now that he's gone
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:41:19 AM
You guys read the books so you have a little more insight. But who protects the Iron Bank? Do they have an Army or can they call for aid if someone decides to overthrow them? What I came away with was Euron was going to get Tyrion. But that seems too obvious and I have no idea how he would pull that off. The Iron Born are pillagers, what's to stop him from gathering his fleet and raiding the Iron Bank. What better gift to give to prove his worth and loyalty then to dissolve all of their debt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 17, 2017, 12:29:45 PM
It's implied that the Iron Bank is significantly more powerful than any armed force in the world. It achieves its ends through political manipulation and any other means necessary, including assassination. It's also extremely well informed, making a surprise raid basically impossible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 17, 2017, 12:35:53 PM
I assume little finger will at some point, learn that jon is not ned's bastich son which will of course set off a chain of events in the north.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 17, 2017, 02:17:50 PM
Quote from: smeags on July 17, 2017, 12:35:53 PM
I assume little finger will at some point, learn that jon is not ned's bastich son which will of course set off a chain of events in the north.

When Littlefinger is in the crypts with Sansa last season he gives her a look when she mentions Rhaegar and Lyanna's story and it seemed to imply he knew something about their relationship and it possibly being more consensual than the popular story. He may already think that there's no way the honorable Ned Stark would father a bastich and believe Ned was covering up something more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 17, 2017, 02:32:54 PM
yeah, he either knows it already and is holding that info until he needs to reveal it, or he has his suspicions and just hasnt confirmed it yet.

no matter what, that will become an issue down the road.

does bran make it down to winterfell now or does something stop that ? 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 17, 2017, 05:30:45 PM
It looks like they're setting up to have Jon go south to try and get the dragon glass from
Dany, so my guess is Bran will get to Winterfell just in time to miss Jon.

Will create a lot of questions on who should be KITN. Some of the lords may want to put Bran there by right.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 17, 2017, 08:37:48 PM
I feel like Bran won't go to Winterfell until much later, if ever. He's Cripple Raven now. He's got bigger concerns than Stark property rights. Plus I think he'll eventually be warging into a dragon to cook some zombies, and that will probably happen at Eastwatch by the Sea.

Eventually LF's downfall will happen because Sansa outsmarts him. They might be setting up for that this season, or it could be delayed until the end, because I'm not sure where her character development could go after that. I think the show will bait us into thinking she's being used, and then she'll close the trap on him.

I'm less sure that will happen in the books, but the show is too PC to just have a young lady who's dumb, wrong, and manipulated by guys for the whole story. Her little "badass Sansa" moments so far haven't been enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:31:26 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 17, 2017, 11:16:32 AM
Quote from: SD on July 17, 2017, 11:00:16 AM
They were looking for a way to defeat the walkers, dragon glass is the way. He found the mother load. Dragon glass is just as valuable against walkers as valyrian steel.

My only complaint was the opening scene was way too predictable.

Most underrated character on the show is Lyanna Mormont. What a little bad ass.
I have to say I didn't like Lyanna's outburst to Lord Glover this time (the last tie was great). All Glover said was to question if he had to put a sword in his daughter's hand, not every girl's, and Lyanna went on some rant about she doesn't need permission to arm herself, but he said nothing of the sort.

I don't remember the exact interaction, but it came across to me as her saying if I am willing to put a sword in my hand and get my hands dirty and I'm a young ruler of my house than your people should do the same. He was disagreeing with the premise, the rest of the room would have probably agreed with him, she stepped in and out alpha maled. I mean, how do you save face in a room full of men and leaders when a young girl is saying she's willing to put a sword in her hand.
If you are here, you just call her an entitled little white middle westerosi NRA pub.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 23, 2017, 10:18:26 PM
What an episode.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 23, 2017, 10:50:03 PM
Wow. Great ep - was there any actor still alive who wasn't at the party? Hot Pie, Nymeria... I guess Bronn and sweet Robin didn't make it.  I was waiting for Old Nan to come barreling down Euron's gangway. Still waiting for Kinvara to bust in, though. It would be funny to see Sam get kicked out of the Citadel. This ep was less than an hour but should have gone 1:20.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on July 23, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on July 23, 2017, 10:50:03 PM
Wow. Great ep - was there any actor still alive who wasn't at the party? Hot Pie, Nymeria... I guess Bronn and sweet Robin didn't make it.  I was waiting for Old Nan to come barreling down Euron's gangway. Still waiting for Kinvara to bust in, though. It would be funny to see Sam get kicked out of the Citadel. This ep was less than an hour but should have gone 1:20.

None of the Brotherhood and through two episodes we've spent all of 45 seconds with Bran.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on July 23, 2017, 10:53:49 PM
Yeah, thought of them just as I posted, and obviously there's more. I'm guessing Bran will have a good part next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 24, 2017, 12:11:38 AM
Next week is all Daario and Gendry.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on July 24, 2017, 08:42:36 AM
so, that happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on July 31, 2017, 02:08:37 AM
This season feels like a throwback to the early days of the show, which I think is a net positive. Longer scenes with slower pacing, plenty of major political moves continually occurring, new character pairings and geographic locations, and battles that don't need to eat up 15 minutes or more of an episode.

The dialogue hasn't been particularly memorable and the plot developments haven't been particularly imaginative (greyscale goes away if you cut it off and put some shtein on it), but neither of those is a surprise since we are so far off the books now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on July 31, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
I'll miss Olenna Tyrell, one of the best characters on the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 02, 2017, 02:18:09 AM
Lady Olenna is a savage holy shtein.

Really gonna miss the Queen of Thorns.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 02, 2017, 07:51:58 AM
so how many episodes are there this season ?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 02, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
7. Next episode is shortest in series.  Episodes 6/7 are the longest.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on August 03, 2017, 12:46:04 AM
This week was the first time I got a pang of 'farg, this show will be over before long'.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 04, 2017, 12:08:43 PM
Sunday's ep leaked already in its entirety.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 04, 2017, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on August 04, 2017, 12:08:43 PM
Sunday's ep leaked already in its entirety.

Spoilers for the rest of the season are online. Will...not...look.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on August 06, 2017, 10:02:22 PM
Holy shtein! Here I thought half way through, "chaos is a ladder" was the highlight of the episode. Guess we'll see how well Jamie can swim in armor. Guess Bronn doesn't have to worry bout that, he's of the Jorah school that armor slows you down.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 07, 2017, 01:10:31 AM
Holy shtein. I'm gonna need to write a dissertation about everything when I get home.


What an episode. Book/world fanatics have to be psyched about getting a mini-"Field of Fire" there
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on August 07, 2017, 01:32:44 AM
Quote from: Munson on August 07, 2017, 01:10:31 AM
Book/world fanatics have to be psyched about getting a mini-"Field of Fire" there

Which was also Targ versus a combined Lannister/Reach army.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 07, 2017, 07:58:28 AM
what a farging episode. wow. df have to re-watch that tonight.

im thinking tyrion will get danys to have Jamie pulled out by the dragon.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 07, 2017, 08:15:36 AM
Flea you idiot
You idiot
You farging idiot

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6vXMpi5SCq4sSdfq/200w.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 13, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
In case anyone was wondering about the scroll

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-sansa-letter-arya-season-7-episode-5-eastwatch
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 13, 2017, 10:22:04 PM
Can't believe we've got Gilly just mispronouncing names in the biggest reveal of the series
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 13, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
How was that a reveal we all knew that
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 13, 2017, 10:30:33 PM
Quote from: SD on August 13, 2017, 10:24:31 PM
How was that a reveal we all knew that

It's been assumed for years but we've never had confirmation that Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. In the world of Westeros the story is that he kidnapped and raped her, not that they eloped willingly together.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 13, 2017, 10:33:41 PM
Ehhhh I had that shtein figured out a long time ago.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 13, 2017, 10:34:26 PM
So did most, same with Jon's true parentage, but still a huge reveal.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 13, 2017, 11:34:47 PM
Viewers should know they ran off willingly by now.  The marriage thing is different and bigger in theory because it legitimizes Jon and means his claim is better than Dany's compared to if they just ran off (Rhaegar was married at the time) and had a kid.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on August 14, 2017, 02:26:21 AM
I liked that Gendry thinks that his father and Jon's father were close friends.

In reality, his father caved in the chest of Jon's true father with a warhammer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on August 14, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
so the fact that some hillbilly used-to-be-a-slave girl is not all caught up on her world history bothers some of you. cool.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 14, 2017, 10:49:28 AM
Hah, my post was meant in jest.

I'm more pissed at Sam not picking up on what she was saying, but I guess he has no reason to find info on Rhaegar to be of importance at the moment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 14, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
danys has to be wondering about jon as well after her dragon allowed him to touch, pet, bond or whatever. 

Edit... Didn't tyrion do the same? 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on August 16, 2017, 08:10:52 AM
Show leaked.  Again.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 16, 2017, 12:55:59 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-4-catelyn-stark-lady-stoneheart-arya-brienne-duel-scene-ghost-a7887786.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-4-catelyn-stark-lady-stoneheart-arya-brienne-duel-scene-ghost-a7887786.html)

???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 20, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
Man now I'm just sad.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 22, 2017, 09:19:27 AM
so, things got more interesting, if that's possible.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 22, 2017, 10:24:50 AM
Kind of curious how the finale shakes out due to the preview. On one hand you see the Unsullied/Dathraki's charging the Lannister Army on the other hand you see Cersei/Jon/Dhaenarys/Tyriann having sit down. I'm assuming the sit down doesn't go as planned and Dhaenarys orders an assault.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 22, 2017, 10:36:56 AM
I assumed they were just getting into position pre-meeting so that when Dany and Tyrion get there, Tyrion can basically say to Cersei "you try anything and the entire city burns, including you"

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on August 22, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Odds on the white walker dragon breathing ice have to be pretty high.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 22, 2017, 10:47:32 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 22, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Odds on the white walker dragon breathing ice have to be pretty high.

I didn't want to spoil things but yeah, that has to be coming.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 22, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: Zanshin on August 22, 2017, 10:40:59 AM
Odds on the white walker dragon breathing ice have to be pretty high.

That would be my assumption, that it breathes freezing breath/ice.

However, it breathing flames still would make it much more useful for breaking down the giant wall of ice....and it's not like the Night King can fit the whole army of the dead on Viserion's back to get them over the wall, so that wall does have to come down.

I guess the ice breath could be used to freeze the ocean around Eastwatch....but I can't imagine we'd spend so much time at Castle Black throughout the series, and still have a character there we know (Edd), to not have that be Ground Zero for the breach/destruction of the Wall.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 22, 2017, 11:01:25 AM
Quote from: Munson on August 22, 2017, 10:56:26 AM


I guess the ice breath could be used to freeze the ocean around Eastwatch....but I can't imagine we'd spend so much time at Castle Black throughout the series, and still have a character there we know (Edd), to not have that be Ground Zero for the breach/destruction of the Wall.

kind of how the series/books have gone to this point, unpredictable.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on August 22, 2017, 11:26:10 AM
Jon Snow thinks about ice dragons several times in the books. They breathe cold. But maybe an ice dragon is a different creature from a wight dragon.

If they have a wight breathing fire, even if it's a blue flame, that's kinda stupid since wights are highly vulnerable to fire. But D&D probably don't care, they showed the wight bear on fire and it kept going. That last episode already had a ton of nonsensical plot holes, so what's a few more.

I don't see the Night King going around the wall. From the minute they showed the wall, everyone who's even remotely familiar with the concept of storytelling should have realized that big farger is crashing down at some point. At least in one section. Highly disappointing if it doesn't. It's as inevitable as Clegane Bowl.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 22, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
Quote from: Munson on August 22, 2017, 10:36:56 AM
I assumed they were just getting into position pre-meeting so that when Dany and Tyrion get there, Tyrion can basically say to Cersei "you try anything and the entire city burns, including you"

I only saw the preview once but I thought the Unsullied were in position and the Dothraki were charging
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 22, 2017, 11:46:03 AM
I just rewatched the preview, first shot is the Unsullied in formation, then the Dothraki charging behind them. Then you see the Dothraki charging ahead of the Unsullied who's still in formation. I'm assuming the Dothraki are getting into position since traditionally a Calvary is the first to charge during a war. Or maybe they're attacking. I guess that was the point of the preview, to keep the viewer conflicted about what's going to happen.

I also noticed Dhaenarys isn't shown at the sit down. I bet she shows up with the Dragons for negotiating leverage.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on August 22, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
I'm a casual watcher. But one thing I noticed is a stark (no pun intended) drop in nudity this season. Guess there's no time to squeeze in a few boobs between fights (I contend there always time to squeeze boobs, however). That's my expert analysis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on August 27, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
So John and Dany finally hooked up. I thought it was an auntie-climax.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 27, 2017, 10:37:31 PM
lol

But hollllly shtein that ending. Wow.


Also, omg we got Rhaegar/Lyanna action
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 27, 2017, 11:00:16 PM
Another great episode but no real surprises other than Cersei being pregnant.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on August 27, 2017, 11:19:43 PM
Rhaegar looked exactly like Visarys. Agree SD, most things you could either see coming or weren't that surprising (though Cersei did tell Jamie she was pregnant last week), but it was still really good despite itself. The season really suffered from being way too compressed, making it an average season that had a good bit more potential. It will be an interesting Dany/NK aerial showdown. I want to see what happens when both dragon's breath meet midair. 67 down, six to go :(
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on August 28, 2017, 08:08:20 AM
even though I called (like many others I assume) the ice dragon taking the wall down, that was a great episode.

that said, the season was way too compressed and seemed overly rushed at times.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on August 28, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
i'd prob do my aunt if she looked like that.

my favorite part was bye littlefinger. was def caught off guard. went from disgust to happiness in a second.

so are they going to wait another year and a half to make 6 episodes?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on August 28, 2017, 10:08:24 AM
Nice job with that whole zombie arc this season. Looks like the mission to capture the zombie yielded the support of a single one armed man in exchange for Thoros, some extras, a dragon, and the Wall.

I've seen the Littlefinger/Sansa thing coming since last season but somehow it was still enjoyable to hear him called out on all his BS.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on August 28, 2017, 10:37:46 AM
i did not expect jamie to make it out of there.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: rjs246 on August 28, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
Quote from: phattymatty on August 28, 2017, 10:37:46 AM
i did not expect jamie to make it out of there.

Same. Now he needs to be the one to murder Cersei. Also Bronn is now even more of a wild card, which is the most fun kind of Bronn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on August 31, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: Eagaholic on August 27, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
So John and Dany finally hooked up. I thought it was an auntie-climax.

I just saw this.  Bravo. 

Also - loved the finale.  My daughter said, "hey Dad, I guess the LAST cut really is the deepest" after Littlefinger got zipped.  I chuckled with pride. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on February 06, 2018, 06:18:45 PM
Quote'Game Of Thrones' Duo Benioff & Weiss To Pilot New 'Star Wars' Movie Series

The Walt Disney Co (DIS.N) said in a statement that David Benioff and D.B. Weiss would write and produce the new series, which will be separate from both the episodic Skywalker saga and the recently announced trilogy being developed by director Rian Johnson.
Walt Disney Co103.52

No release dates or plot details were given.

Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm, said in a statement that Benioff and Weiss's "command of complex characters, depth of story and richness of mythology will break new ground and boldly push 'Star Wars' in ways I find incredibly exciting."
I've never had an interest in SW but I'd probably give this a shot.

Also, GOT concert tix on sale. I saw last year's, I recommend it if you're really into GOT. They had some kinks to work out but overall still a very good production on the kind of massive scale you'd expect from GOT.  Philly is 10/2 at WF Center.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on February 06, 2018, 08:16:56 PM
Wrong thread but the Solo movie looks horrible
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on February 24, 2019, 03:20:14 PM
No, still no trailer, but we do get like 5 seconds of new footage in this, and it's about time to bump this thread:

https://twitter.com/hbo/status/1099760877274886144 21
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on February 26, 2019, 03:41:36 AM
Bud Light commercial was way better.

I should probably put this in the book thread but I'm not going to bother. But I do recommend A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. 3 Dunk and Egg novellas in one book. More enjoyable than I thought it would be. A lighter read than ASOIAF and not nearly as complex, but by the end there were the same trademark GRRM wheels within wheels, plot twists and a couple of good holy shtein moments. Easy read you might polish off in a weekend, and a worthy tune up for the last season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on March 05, 2019, 12:02:58 PM
Yeah the Dunk and Egg tales are great


!!
https://twitter.com/gameofthrones/status/1102962107203682304
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2019, 12:42:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dA9eUP85s

lol an oldie but a goodie
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 14, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if this is the same table setting type episode the premieres usually are with only 6 left.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2019, 09:03:42 PM
With so many reunions that need to happen, and this episode being hte shortest of the season, I imagine it will be mostly that.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 14, 2019, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 14, 2019, 08:44:47 PM
Will be interesting to see if this is the same table setting type episode the premieres usually are with only 6 left.

It was 👎
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 14, 2019, 11:19:18 PM
I enjoyed it. They fit in a lot of reunions into one episode and handled them all relatively well. Dany and Jon being cheesy together was meh but Drogon the jealous dog was the star of that scene anyway.

Nikolaj catdjakdkxnehateverhisnameis does a great job acting with his facial expressions. That look he gave at the end when he realized who Bran was was great.


Poor Ned Umber.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 15, 2019, 03:08:42 AM
Pretty solid opening for the season. I thought the dragons flying through the ravines and such looked like some lame harry potter/lotr/star wars kind of shtein. And they still have silliness like in one swipe, someone cuts through about 5 turns of a rope thicker than your thumb binding someone's wrists. But other than that, a lot of good stuff.

Most intriguing to me is Cersei putting the hit out on Tyrion as well as Jamie. It was just last episode we heard Tyrion tell Bronn for about the 3rd time something like "if they ever pay you to kill me remember, I'll pay double.' It would be a totally Bronn thing to take the gold, get it doubled from the boys, and give them the crossbow to go valonqar on Cersie. Although it would also be nice to first see her have the baby (maybe twins?) leaving Jamie and Euron to argue over whose prince it is, or if Jami got his hair colored for this season. But I doubt Euron makes it to the end and probably they don't have time for that kind of arc.

Some good humor, epecially the Tyrion/Varys ball jokes, was welcome and needed to balance some of the tensions.

Kinda of liked the reprise of the pilot episode as the beginning of this season to bring it all full circle. Also thought they did a terrific job with the makeover for the opening theme. From the broken wall to the IT, very well done. Even liked the revised music that was King Roberts theme, played now for Jon and Dany's arrival at WF. The best piece in all GOT imo.

I liked Aya's coy smile back at Gendry but doubt we'll see faceless sex (Gendry: C'mon, be Melisandre again). I'd think Gendry and Jon have about equal claim to the IT, depending on how you see Robert's ligitimacy, which admittedly takes a hit as it becomes known Lyanna and Raeghar were consensual.

Wonder if young Ned becoming undead was supposed to be a foreshadow of Ned Stark coming back. Not sure how that'd work with a separated head though.

Interesting emotional scene with Sam and Dany, has to be setting something up. Dany may have to face Sam and Bran, who she doesn't know, telling her Jon is the rightful guy.





   
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 15, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
Quote from: Eagaholic on April 15, 2019, 03:08:42 AM
Most intriguing to me is Cersei putting the hit out on Tyrion as well as Jamie.

I thought it was unlikely that Cersei would task someone with such a history with both Tyrion and Jaime to kill them, to the point where if I were Bronn I would expect some kind of setup by the paranoid queen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2019, 04:27:32 PM
The memes so far have been very very good.

https://twitter.com/iamthebutters97/status/1117667463288610818
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2019, 07:50:56 PM
-New intro was awesome. It makes sense considering they're only going to be at one or two places this season, so they had to find a way to extend it somehow. As soon as we saw Last Hearth, I was excited and then realized that's probably not good for someone...and it wasn't. Poor Ned Umber.

-Lovvvve all the call backs to the first episode in the beginning. The little kid scrambling and climbing to see the the army was a nice mix of Bran and Arya. And the return of King Robert's theme especially, one of my favorite scores from the show.

-Thought it was a good touch having the POC characters look at each other knowingly about all of the uncomfortable stares they were getting. The northerners have almost definitely never seen a non-white person so it really adds to the 'foreigner' angle.

-Jon being so happy to see Bran and Arya was nice. Bran just blurting it out and Jon looking at Sansa like uhhhh and Sansa giving him a knowing look back was good too. Loved Jon knowing after he saw Needle and Arya looks at him that she wants to see his sword.

-They threw in a cute moment for Ned Umber poking his head out around that big northerner just so they could kill him later...poor Ned Umber

-Lyanna being Lyanna and calling Jon out. Gotta love Lady Lyanna. Really hope we get to see her interact with more characters this season, and not just at meetings of lords yelling at Jon. At the very least her and Jorah talking.

-Sansa ridiculing Tyrion for trusting her sister is good too. Sansa truly has become a great player in the game. Something that worries me: Bran staring at Tyrion. Bran knows something. Is it some sort of treason Tyrion did (I still think tyrion promised cersei her kid would be Dany's heir)? Or is he seeing into Tyrion's future? Something is not good here.

-Cersei suddenly stopping and turning to Euron to invite him in was definitely something of a plan. Either it was pure hatred for Jaime leaving her and her wanting to try and get past it, or she realizes something with her pregnancy (or fake pregnancy). Either she was pregnant but lost the baby/never was pregnant, and thinks to keep up the lie she told Jaime she needs to get pregnant, or she realized she was pregnant and could secure Euron's absolute loyalty by lying and saying it's his kid. She definitely had some sort of sudden thought that caused her to think otherwise about inviting him upstairs.

-Bronn is still such an ambiguous character morally that I truly do not know what he'll do. I want to believe his friendship with the Lannister brothers will keep him from doing it but....who knows. The "pox" line was hilarious though.

-Glad they got the Yara rescue done fast, but now it seems she'll just be heading back to the Iron Islands. I assume we'll see her again in the final battle for the throne, once the white walkers are defeated.

-Drogon the jealous child will never not be funny to me. Jon the Dragonrider! The King who Rode! Very cool moment.

-Arya and the Hound was fantastic. The Hound looking proud for Arya becoming a cold blooded killer was a nice touch, especially since we know the Hound isn't quite as heartless as he tried to pretend to be to Arya. Ayra and Gendry, definitely some tension there. "You look good", the look back, etc.

-Lord Glover is annoying. Sam finding out from Dany and Jorah was tough. Poor Sam.

-Sam telling Jon went about as expected. Jon looked absolutely exasperated at the thought.

-I wish we had time for more exposition and little scenes, because Tormund seeing where the Umbers lived would prob be a cool moment otherwise as a wildling who has probably fought the Umbers before (and definitely did in BotB). Again, poor Ned Umber. THat scene was unsettling, to say the least.

-Jaime seeing Winterfell again, this time in a much different circumstance than last, was a good touch. And of course the faces of realization he has when he sees Bran are great too. I hope the next episode starts with him going up to Bran and apologizing.

That's all I got off the top of my head after one watch and a night to sleep on it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 15, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
Dany annoys me so farging much as a character.   No explanation, no anything - just her never ending sense of entitlement.

Tyrion definitely going to do something to betray Dany - or already has.  That seemed to me to be what Bran's stare was implying.  I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning it after the episode.  It'll be funny when Tyrion takes a heel turn and Jaime dies a hero given where they started.

Best scene was John Bradley's acting as Sam after finding out about his family.  I generally dgaf about Sam but that scene landed for me because of his acting.

I was encouraged to see the White Walker symbols again.  Leads credence to me feeling like they'll have some point or intrigue beyond being mindless killing machines this year.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 15, 2019, 11:18:17 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 15, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
Dany annoys me so farging much as a character.   No explanation, no anything - just her never ending sense of entitlement.

Tyrion definitely going to do something to betray Dany - or already has.  That seemed to me to be what Bran's stare was implying.  I'm surprised more people aren't mentioning it after the episode.  It'll be funny when Tyrion takes a heel turn and Jaime dies a hero given where they started.

Best scene was John Bradley's acting as Sam after finding out about his family.  I generally dgaf about Sam but that scene landed for me because of his acting.

I was encouraged to see the White Walker symbols again.  Leads credence to me feeling like they'll have some point or intrigue beyond being mindless killing machines this year.
That's one thing that stood out to me - how for Dany it is still all about the Thronez. She understands what's coming but still won't sublimate her ambitions for the the only cause that matters. The Sam scene made me worry for him. Always assumed he'd make it to the end, based on that's what companions named Sam do along side the unlikely fantasy hero. But we've seen it before when GOT builds up emotional investment in a character before offing them (for example the extra Davos/Shireen scenes before she was burnt).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 15, 2019, 11:22:21 PM
Good point on the Sam scene...the actor really sold the pain and hurt well
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 16, 2019, 10:44:02 AM
That's why they call him Samwell.

Also, unlike Sansa and Aya who aren't going to get pushed around anymore
(https://preview.redd.it/n0a0prjjbgs21.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e8f3ff4635bd8182c7782c79df4a5355906b210f)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on April 16, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
I felt legit sad for Sam.  I'm pretty sure anyone else would have cut her empty blond head clean off.  The rest of it varied between stupid and hilariously funny (pox!).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2019, 05:54:33 PM
Yeah the pox line was hilarious. As was the blue eyes line
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 21, 2019, 10:09:16 PM
I really liked that episode
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2019, 10:28:16 PM
Yeah that shtein was awesome.

I am ready for next week. But also not because I'm not ready to lose some of these characters.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 21, 2019, 11:15:42 PM
Very good episode. I like that Jon disclosed his identity to Dany in this ep. It sets up so many more possibilities for next week. I still doubt we'll see a Nisa Nisa ending but with her knowing Jon is king it could be legit pulled off for the most dramatic moment of the series with nothing else even close.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 21, 2019, 11:50:29 PM
I feel like they shied away too much from magical swords to introduce lightbringer now.

But if we get anything close to a dues ex machina next week, it's gonna be Lady Mel returning from Volantis with some fire manges
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 22, 2019, 12:20:12 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 21, 2019, 11:50:29 PM
But if we get anything close to a dues ex machina next week, it's gonna be Lady Mel returning from Volantis with some fire manges

I was saying the same thing. She's the one living character they've held back. Clearly saving her for a deus ex machina moment.

I also get the vibe a lot of characters are going to die next week.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 22, 2019, 02:24:04 AM
I'd thought a lot of main characters were going to die next week too, but I'm changing my mind now. Usually when they play up the impending doom of someone, they tend to survive (as an example, a couple of episodes ago when Tyrion solemnly parts the dragon pit to parlay with Cersei, and then Jamie suggests he and Tyrion say final goodbyes). I thought it was kind of dumb tonight how so many of the main players professed their imminent death, and for most it was out of character.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 22, 2019, 04:01:46 AM
An obvious game changer with the WW is that when they kill a human they also gain a soldier. But with Benjen we learned that someone struck down by a WW can be revived and brought back more toward being human, by dragon glass to the heart, if somebody knows how to do that. Don't think it's likely but I could see if Mel and others start reviving dead humans before they can be turned wight, to stem the tide the WW were expecting.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 22, 2019, 10:43:31 AM
anyone see the mac from it's always sunny cameo in ep 1?  he's the first dude on the boat shot through the eye with an arrow when they rescue yara.

next week is going to be epic. i put it 50-50 on dany doing something really dumb since she's in such a farged up headspace.  what timing on that revelation.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 22, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 22, 2019, 10:43:31 AM
what timing on that revelation.

Jon Snow is good at making mopey facial expressions and fighting. Not so great at thinking. His instincts are pretty good though.

Dany sucks at both thinking and instincts. Bad decisions all throughout the story, and that was before she had any truth bombs dropped on her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 22, 2019, 01:40:37 PM
She's a woman of course she sucks at thinking and instincts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 22, 2019, 09:40:59 PM
My prediction for next week: Just like Robb and Jaime did...the Night King is going to take a page out of the art of war and fight the enemy where they're not. He's sending a portion of his forces to Winterfell as a distraction, but the bulk of his army is heading towards Kings Landing. Tyrion said there's about a million people there which is far more than the North.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 23, 2019, 01:56:08 AM
Nah, I think the War for the Dawn gets settled in this episode. I think they want the last 3 episodes to be about what the show was always going to be about in the end: the game of thrones.

I can't get the damn Jenny of Oldstones song out of my head. Brilliantly haunting...it's use as the pre-battle ballad of sadness before all your favorite characters potentially die is a good reference to the Pippin song in LOTR.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 23, 2019, 02:42:24 AM
https://twitter.com/carbombboom13/status/1120535714310045697
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 23, 2019, 09:25:59 AM
Quote from: Munson on April 23, 2019, 01:56:08 AM
Nah, I think the War for the Dawn gets settled in this episode. I think they want the last 3 episodes to be about what the show was always going to be about in the end: the game of thrones.

That would be predictable and lame
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2019, 10:15:31 AM
They're going to lose next week.  Last 3 weeks will be a mishmash of human/NK conflict as survivors go south.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 23, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2019, 10:15:31 AM
They're going to lose next week.  Last 3 weeks will be a mishmash of human/NK conflict as survivors go south.

I really don't think so. Maybe I'm wrong but this feels like THE conflict when it comes to the NK. I am assuming both Dany and Jon will be alive for the conflict with Cersei, with one of them dying at THAT point(then again maybe they both do live to the end, but I'm assuming one of them dies for now), and I can't see the NK winning this battle unless we're saying one of those two "mains" dies, IMO.

I guess it's possible that literally the entire North gets killed besides whichever mains who didn't die and can fit onto the backs of Drogon and Rhaegal to fly away but I don't see that happening either. I think we settle the NK now, next episode is devoted to picking up the pieces of who died, setting up the battle with Cersei/GC, then that battle happens episode 5, and then episode 6 is spent finishing that conflict if it didn't completely resolve (i.e. a trial by combat for Cersei perhaps?), figuring out the throne/if a monarchy is even going to exist anymore, tying up loose ends to stories, maybe another surprise in there with some sort of final betrayal by someone, etc.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 23, 2019, 02:58:31 PM
It really makes no sense to me why they didn't make this season longer.  Seems like a lot of stuff to cram into 4 episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 23, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
There's no way the white walker stuff ends this week. It goes back to the beginning of the first episode.

The living will probably "win" only to discover the main WW force was going for Kings Landing the whole time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 23, 2019, 03:30:14 PM
TBF we're gonna get another 1.3ish episodes worth of time in these next 4 episodes, so it's basically an extra episode.

But yeah the only thing i can think of is the time commitments for filming such intricate shtein made both the actors and the show runners not wanna do this for much longer.

But as good as the show has been, it could have been so much better with 10-11 full seasons, fully fleshing out all the books and stories we missed out on (Lady Stoneheart, Arianne, etc)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2019, 04:25:04 PM
Lady Stoneheart would've been a disaster in the show I think.

I do agree more episodes would've been better in general.

I think the reason they did it this way is they pay the cast on a per episode basis and costs start skyrocketing if we're talking about 10/10 episodes the final two years.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2019, 06:38:15 PM
Dead Sunday:

Theon
Beric
Jorah
Tormund
Missandei
Podrick

Everyone expects GW to die but chekov's crypts means someone is going to die there so I think the twist is Missandei not GW dies.  I find it hard to believe the show will kill Gilly and little Sam and someone important needs to die down there.  I think the only other main-ish character who will be there is Varys and I'll be pretty pissed if he dies without doing a single thing this year.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on April 23, 2019, 06:42:19 PM
But I think this is a feint on the shows part.  Everything, ALL marketing has been about this battle, the 55 consecutive nights to shoot it etc.  There has been basically nothing post episode 3.  Sapochnick is directing episode 5 too.  Now I don't know that the scale will necessarily be bigger in that episode but I think a giant confrontation happens then.  Cersei for as much as I love the character isn't compelling enough as the final antagonist, so it needs to be either the NK or Dany goes off the deep end (my preference and the best conclusion to the story in my eyes to set up a truly compelling finale but I don't think the show does that). 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 23, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
The marketing for this season has been "For The Throne" so even though this is the big battle, I think they ultimately want the last three episodes to be about the throne and not the war for the dawn
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 23, 2019, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 23, 2019, 08:06:40 PM
The marketing for this season has been "For The Throne" so even though this is the big battle, I think they ultimately want the last three episodes to be about the throne and not the war for the dawn

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/8/18300583/game-of-thrones-hbo-season-8-george-rr-martin-iron-throne-cersei-lannister-changing-stakes

Winter is coming
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 23, 2019, 09:14:40 PM
Gonna come down to jon snow and dany and dany's gonna do something dumb and jon gonna smoke her.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 29, 2019, 10:26:31 AM
Man did the writing on this show go to shtein once they got off the books.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 29, 2019, 11:18:23 AM
I know let's make this really dark and snowy for the entire 85 minutes so no one has any idea who lives or dies.

Oh yeah let's just kill the Night King too.

*high five*

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 29, 2019, 01:03:28 PM
Pretty much...my screen was blurs and shadows and a pixelated mess. The Night King should have been the end boss and not Cersei.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 29, 2019, 05:02:20 PM
My screen was fine, only parts I really felt were too dark were the dragon flights through the storm.

Otherwise I think most of the "dark" parts were more just the absolute chaos of the army of the dead overwhelming everyone. Of course I was watching on tv and not a feed which everyone seemed to have much worse picture for.

shtein was insane. One hell of an adrenaline rush. Sad about Lyanna and Edd.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on April 29, 2019, 06:27:23 PM
how the farg has jon snow lasted this long. dude thought he was gonna kill the dragon by yelling at it?  he's very lucky he has a badass fake sister.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 29, 2019, 07:21:25 PM
Quote from: phattymatty on April 29, 2019, 06:27:23 PM
how the farg has jon snow lasted this long.

He didn't.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 29, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Quote from: Munson on April 29, 2019, 05:02:20 PM
My screen was fine, only parts I really felt were too dark were the dragon flights through the storm.

Otherwise I think most of the "dark" parts were more just the absolute chaos of the army of the dead overwhelming everyone. Of course I was watching on tv and not a feed which everyone seemed to have much worse picture for.

shtein was insane. One hell of an adrenaline rush. Sad about Lyanna and Edd.

The issue was with the way the different shades of blacks came through on the cable feed. It looked like a water blurry mess. It was like driving in the dark on a rainy night without defrosters or windshield wipers. You couldn't see shtein. I rewatched it just now on my phone and it was fine.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 29, 2019, 08:28:11 PM
Yeah I've heard people who re-watched it said it looked insanely better on the 2nd watch.

It's about to replay now on HBO, I'm gonna see if it looks any different or if I gotta go your way and watch it on a phone/computer instead.

But last night really the only parts I felt were too dark were the dragons flying in the snow storm....at that point it was supposed to be dark and messy but it was just too hard to tell which dragon/flyer we were looking at now. THe fight scenes I thought were fine light wise, though the editing was at breakneck pace at times where it was hard to tell who was fighting who.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on April 29, 2019, 10:11:56 PM
Much like Arya with the Night King, maybe they'll have some random character kill Cersei. Like just when it looks like Cersei's won, Davos Seaworth runs up and slits her throat. Truly poetic storytelling.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on April 29, 2019, 10:43:57 PM
Benioff said Jon killing him would be too predictable...ehhhh...I guess. They've been teasing a Jon/Night King duel for a few seasons now. I know the dagger Arya used has historical significance but I thought it would take more than valerian steel to kill the night King. I had Jon being Azor Ahai using Lightbringer to kill him in the back of my mind. The deaths were whatever...nobody of importance
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 29, 2019, 11:01:08 PM
I was sad about Lyanna just because she's a little badass....Jorah and Theon were tough but I was also expecting them. The score during that last scene was great.

While I didn't need Jon to do it, I still would have liked it if he did...but at the very least I was hoping they'd at least cross swords a bit, fight for a few seconds before getting interrupted by the dragon or something and getting separated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 02, 2019, 02:19:47 PM
I thought the episode was okay, but it did feel a little rushed and lacked some of the nuance and detail that's really been a hallmark of the show over the years. Just a little out of place and less thought-through. I kept hearing about everyone complaining about the darkness, but I didn't have that problem. I was streaming it on a 65-inch 4k Roku tv at a high brightness setting, which probably helped.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on May 02, 2019, 06:00:53 PM
The darkness was a stylistic choice and it was an excellent one too. 

The reviews of the episode have been mixed but I thought it was overly long but still compelling. 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 06, 2019, 10:12:45 AM
The writers really mailed it in this season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 06, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: AO1 on May 06, 2019, 10:12:45 AM
The writers really mailed it in this season.

Completely agree. It has a completely simplified, different vibe this season over any other. Also, did you see that Starbucks cup on a table in Winterfell? Hysterical. For a show that made its bones on the details, so far this year it's been a little slapdash.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2019, 05:45:30 PM
The rush to get it done and over is showing. That being said, still liked the episode a lot. Everything just feels so rushed and characters are just getting from Point A to Point B at this point so they can all be where they need to for the final act.

Tyrion/Varys scenes were fantastic though. The celebration scenes after the funeral were a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
I wrote this somewhere else last night but the dialogue / acting / visuals are still good (latter two being top notch). But they've lost track of the plot the last two seasons.

8x02 was such a good episode because it was all dialogue and no plot.  Any time they actually have to advance the plot it's all yadda yadda big plot to big plot without any connective tissue to make it all make sense.  They have big plot points they want to hit and then write backwards instead of letting decisions flow organically from a plot standpoint.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 06, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
Yep...this season has started to feel like a more a summer blockbuster movie than a well written TV drama. Big moments galore but missing all the little stuff that made this show a GOAT in the first 6 seasons.
That's why the Tyrion/Varys scenes were great this week, the plotting and scheming and talking and etc.

Saw someone else make a joke about how in 10-15 years we'll end up getting a "True to the books" remake and I laughed but then I thought of Arianne and Darkstar and the Grand Northern Conspiracy and instantly wanted it lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on May 06, 2019, 09:41:28 PM
It's almost as if they've run out of source material and aren't actually very good at writing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: Munson on May 06, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
Yep...this season has started to feel like a more a summer blockbuster movie than a well written TV drama. Big moments galore but missing all the little stuff that made this show a GOAT in the first 6 seasons.
That's why the Tyrion/Varys scenes were great this week, the plotting and scheming and talking and etc.

Saw someone else make a joke about how in 10-15 years we'll end up getting a "True to the books" remake and I laughed but then I thought of Arianne and Darkstar and the Grand Northern Conspiracy and instantly wanted it lol

GRRM lost track in the other direction making it too unwieldy but he's a brilliant storyteller from a plot perspective. 

I still like the show and it's still entertaining, but the dumb shtein GoT used to avoid from this genre it now does regularly. 

When you look at things like binge mode/alt shift etc they put 10x the effort thinking things through logically compared to the writers. They can still write a scene with strong dialogue and there's great actors (most of them) but the story...

S7 - we need some reason for WW to get through the wall...then they write backwards and come up with truly convoluted and non sensical plot to get there.

S8 - we want to ramp up dany / Cersei drama so we concoct ways to even the playing field.  No explanation on why Missandei would be important, how she's captured, why Varys etc has no scouts (hell, why they take ships at all other than keeping Euron's character relevant), why Cersei doesn't destroy their tiny army outside the gates.  I'm entertained watching the scenes but they're compressing 3 episodes worth of shtein into one episode and what you miss is all the motivation for things to actually happen.  GoT used to be better than that plotwise.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 06, 2019, 10:46:17 PM
It used to be a deconstruction of the fantasy genre that was adapted into an HBO prestige drama.

Now it's The Walking Dead or Spider-Man movies or whatever. A lot of people like that stuff, but it's not my bag. I didn't get immersed in the world of this show because there were CGI dragons in it.

The books decreased in quality after the Season 4 material too, but not like this. This is fan fiction, and it's probably the only ending we're ever going to get because the creator of this world is a morbidly obese 70 year old with writer's block.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 06, 2019, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: AO1 on April 29, 2019, 10:43:57 PM
Benioff said Jon killing him would be too predictable

Good thing they don't write anything too predictable. After Sansa promised to not tell anyone about Jon's parents, I was absolutely stunned when she spilled the beans like 2 show minutes later.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 06, 2019, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 06, 2019, 10:46:17 PM
The books decreased in quality after the Season 4 material too, but not like this. This is fan fiction, and it's probably the only ending we're ever going to get because the creator of this world is a morbidly obese 70 year old with writer's block.

Prior to the season 8 premier I read a bunch of fan fiction that were supposed plot leaks. A bunch of fans called them dumb and nit picked every detail. They were 10x better than the crap we're seeing now.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 06, 2019, 11:51:55 PM
Season 6 was good other than Episode 8 with the dumb Arya stuff.

They can still write effective dialogue.  I really liked the second episode this season.  But they've lost track of cognizable plot developments or character motivations.  So when you need dialogue to drive plot and not just be strictly dialogue ...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on May 12, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
i dont know shtein from shtein and i just want the garbage ass show to end so i dont have to listen to insufferable nerds anymore but the fact that its going down in flames makes me even happier...

QuoteGame of Thrones going from the best show on TV to just the absolute worst is the greatest heel turn in TV history. You got me screenwriters, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TWIST!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 12, 2019, 11:02:58 PM
Really nice ep tonight, best of the season imo. A lot of the patented political intrigue in the 1st half and the best action sequences of the year in the second - and punctuated nicely with Dany defying all expectations and going all Mad King burn them all bat shtein crazy. Unlike a lot of the last ep or two, this was hidden well and sets up an interesting Dany/Torgo Nudho/Dothraki vs Starks and the world.

A very buy-inable 9-11 type dystopia tonight. I didn't like the apparent Cersei/Jamie burial as the best way to go. Interesting that back in s5 (?) Maggie left out the valonquor part of Cersei's prophesy and we saw why tonight. Makes me think GRRM wanted there t be some major differences for his books. Brienne will be on antidepressants when she hears the news of Jamie and Kings Landing.       
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on May 12, 2019, 11:05:01 PM
I liked tonite's episode mostly because I knew people would lose their baked beans on the internet over it, and boy oh boy have they ever.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 12, 2019, 11:22:36 PM
"I never much cared for innocent lives" - Jaime Lannister the man who saved a million lives at the cost of his own reputation.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 12, 2019, 11:34:04 PM
But also because he was ordered to kill his father.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 12, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
i dont know shtein from shtein and i just want the garbage ass show to end so i dont have to listen to insufferable nerds anymore but the fact that its going down in flames makes me even happier...

QuoteGame of Thrones going from the best show on TV to just the absolute worst is the greatest heel turn in TV history. You got me screenwriters, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TWIST!

The ironic part is that tonight's episode was the best one in over four years. The rest of this season has been a disaster.

It's just fans of one character who don't seem to grasp what this story was about.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2019, 12:01:05 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 12, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
i dont know shtein from shtein and i just want the garbage ass show to end so i dont have to listen to insufferable nerds anymore but the fact that its going down in flames makes me even happier...

QuoteGame of Thrones going from the best show on TV to just the absolute worst is the greatest heel turn in TV history. You got me screenwriters, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TWIST!

The ironic part is that tonight's episode was the best one in over four years. The rest of this season has been a disaster.

It's just fans of one character who don't seem to grasp what this story was about.

Nah.  6x10 was the best episode the show ever aired and 8x02 was better this year.

I am assuming you're referencing Dany whose turn would've been justified if they placed tracks better this year.  There is NO justification for what they did to Jaime the last 1.5 episodes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:09:51 AM
Quote from: QB Eagles on May 12, 2019, 11:35:45 PM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
i dont know shtein from shtein and i just want the garbage ass show to end so i dont have to listen to insufferable nerds anymore but the fact that its going down in flames makes me even happier...

QuoteGame of Thrones going from the best show on TV to just the absolute worst is the greatest heel turn in TV history. You got me screenwriters, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TWIST!

The ironic part is that tonight's episode was the best one in over four years. The rest of this season has been a disaster.

It's just fans of one character who don't seem to grasp what this story was about.

I mean like I said I have no idea but this year seems to be an abomination...had no idea it's been bad for that long
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 13, 2019, 12:30:55 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 12, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
i dont know shtein from shtein and i just want the garbage ass show to end so i dont have to listen to insufferable nerds anymore but the fact that its going down in flames makes me even happier...

QuoteGame of Thrones going from the best show on TV to just the absolute worst is the greatest heel turn in TV history. You got me screenwriters, I DID NOT EXPECT THIS TWIST!

It's the equivalent to season 5 of the Wire. And I hated season 5 of the Wire.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2019, 12:31:54 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2019, 12:01:05 AM
There is NO justification for what they did to Jaime the last 1.5 episodes.

I agree about Jaime and his scenes tonight were the only thing about the episode I disliked. It's clearly not the way the books are going. He's gonna kill her. I was yelling at my TV for him to kill her. But they've mutilated that character for a long time.

I felt the show has made it clear from early on that this is a possible path Dany could go down. They have done so clumsily and inconsistently in recent seasons because the writing on this show is not good. Ever since GRRM dipped out of active involvement, it's been a mess. But I won't pin the errors of previous episodes on this one. The overall thrust of what we saw tonight is clearly the real ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:35:49 AM
Quote

It's the equivalent to season 5 of the Wire. And I hated season 5 of the Wire.

Well the wire is Shakespeare and this is dungeon and dragons so they obviously aren't on the same planet and the worst wire ep is better than the best game if thrones so I'm just talking about how bad it is compared to itself and I had no idea it has been bad for years
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 13, 2019, 12:41:00 AM
You don't watch the show enough to compare. There are tons of shows that have dragons and sword fights but GOT was set apart due to the story, characters and writing. Same as there are a ton of shows about Cops and drug dealers, what sets the Wire apart is the story, authenticity, characters, dialogue and writing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:43:56 AM
I've never seen a second of it but I've also never seen iron man and I know The Godfather is a better movie
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 13, 2019, 12:47:46 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:43:56 AM
I've never seen a second of it but I've also never seen iron man and I know The Godfather is a better movie

Apples and oranges
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2019, 12:47:48 AM
GOT was a real HBO drama -- primarily a political drama. It became dungeons and dragons after 4 seasons when they ran out of material to adapt, and it became a series of fantasy tropes instead of a series that messes with fantasy tropes.

The first four seasons weren't the Wire (because no other show has been half as well written as the Wire S1-4) but were absolutely great TV.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
honestly I thought it was still great tv before this year

obviously not my cup of great tv but great for the fans which is why I'm surprised to hear you say it's been weak for years

I've only noticed the fan hate this year
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2019, 01:17:05 AM
Quote from: ice grillin you on May 13, 2019, 12:54:44 AM
honestly I thought it was still great tv before this year

obviously not my cup of great tv but great for the fans which is why I'm surprised to hear you say it's been weak for years

I've only noticed the fan hate this year

Seasons 5/7/8 weren't great.  Season 6 was good.  As QB has said, the first four seasons were based on the books and were excellent if this is what you like.  After season 6 it seemed like 5 was a weird roadbump because 6 had things back on track.   This season and last (for the most part) have devolved into the blockbuster shlock that people who don't watch the show accused it of being.  Great visuals, usually very good acting, but the show runners have proven to be less than adept at writing plot since the book material ended. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2019, 01:17:43 AM
I thought the episode was great. The only arc I'm disappointed in is Jaime's.

But again most of the problems here could have been solved by 2-3 seasons of actually fleshed our story. I buy Dany's descent into madness but it would have been better to watch Varys' betrayal play out over a few episodes instead of like 7 minutes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2019, 01:27:43 AM
To your point QB - the idea of this episode was interesting and could have been excellent if developed correctly in preceding episodes (again, other than the abomination of what they did to Jaime who they wrecked).  It just didn't land for me because I thought they farged up the storytelling tracks pretty badly.

Even after the second episode this season they could've landed the plane I thought (though in retrospect 6 episodes would've always been too little). 

I don't mean to be some weird fanboy about this but I read the books before the show came on.  I had a really strong attachment to the story and these characters, and it sucks to have it end this way.  <<< not me wanting a happy Disney/LOTR ending, just one with internal consistency, cognizable character motivations/consistency, and a similar level of thought as what went into the first few seasons.

My last post about this - I've probably said it here but Jaime (bookJaime and at times showJaime because of NCW's strong portrayal) has been one of my favorite fictional characters.  Not because he was a "good guy" but because he was so complex, and layered and I just found him utterly fascinating reading from his POV in ASOS.  I shouldn't take it personally but I feel like they betrayed a decade of emotional investment the last two weeks.  He was always dying this season and probably in relation to Cersei, but you can't just light his core character on fire along the way.  The line of not caring is contrary to his entire character history and literally the basis for his derogatory nickname.

And they've done it repeatedly the last 2 seasons to other characters - Jaime just bothers me the most.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 13, 2019, 03:04:46 AM
Quote from: Eagles_Legendz on May 13, 2019, 01:27:43 AMHe was always dying this season and probably in relation to Cersei, but you can't just light his core character on fire along the way.  The line of not caring is contrary to his entire character history and literally the basis for his derogatory nickname.

Agree, I think the writers (D&D) tried to make Jamie into a classic antihero through developing the GOT theme of 'you don't get to choose who you love.' But they botched it by taking a really great redemption arc in the first few seasons and turned it into a redemption roller coaster to show the complexity of his dark side. Maybe they were taking a cue from how GRRM would relate the quote "the only thing worth writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself." But they just ended up throwing the character into a blender.

By contrast, I like what they did with the moral ambiguity of Varys. He really wanted what was best for the realm. But like in the first scene tonight where he tried to use a child to poison Dany, I think they did a good job developing these nuances. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 13, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
They broke down every story they built

Jaime's a selfish sister farging icehole. He redeems himself and honor, ditches the women he loves and his unborn baby to uphold an oath to march north to fight the dead alongside people who want to kill him only to go running back to Cersei. Why'd he bother leaving in the first place?

Thought dany's descent into the mad queen was dumb. She spends 7 seasons freeing and liberating slaves and the commoners only to kill those same people. When drogon killed the child she couldnt bare to look at the corpse. She locks the other dragons in a dungeon. On the road to Meereen she refuses having every dead hung slave child taken down so she can see them all...then replaces them with the masters. But now she's upset, so she becomes worse than Cersei and torches thousands of children. She had the city and the Throne, nobody was going to resist her at that point, what was the point of burning the city
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 13, 2019, 09:28:45 AM
House Targaryen's motto is "Fire and Blood". What happened last night was certainly a top 5 war crime by the family but not unusual for them. It's tough to judge them by conventional morality. They have always been an incestuous family that rules by fear and extreme violence, even when the rulers are otherwise fairly decent. The Red Keep which was seemingly destroyed by Dany was built during the reign of one of her ancestors, who murdered everyone involved in the construction.

There's also a history of getting more paranoid and violent as they follow their obsessions, including obviously Dany's own father.

The showrunners did a piss poor job of conveying this and preparing the show audience for an episode like last night's. Part of the problem was that they went out of their way to make characters like Dany, Tyrion, Arya, and Varys "good", when they should have been a lot more gray. The books succeed in part because jumping from POV to POV makes all the characters relatable to some extent, including their moral failings. Dany is someone who frequently makes poor decisions and is constantly telling herself excuses to justify some highly questionable acts. This is a person who launched a war of choice to conquer a continent she knows barely anything about.

Hope you enjoy what these guys do to Star Wars.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: hunt on May 13, 2019, 09:30:26 AM
got is still a very good show.  nerds are the absolute worst when it comes to discussing tv & movies because they over-analyze every last detail because they've read the books/comics 7 times & every little detail in the books doesn't make it to the screen. 
it's a tv show.  enjoy it for what it is.  or don't.
nerds!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 13, 2019, 10:28:59 AM
I'm coming at it from a different place...I watched over the course of the years just because it was better than a lot of other nonsense on TV-- but I never really connected to it in real time. It was definitely good enough to watch and had great production value, but I never really understood the over-the-top buzz. Before this season, I started it up again and found that it was much more enjoyable as a binge watch, where there weren't years between seasons. Unfortunately, doing that really set this season up for failure; because the writing and tone have been so drastically different from what made the show special. This season hasn't been "bad" in and of itself, but it certainly hasn't been clever or nuanced...it's just wrapping things up in the fastest and easiest ways possible, which feels a little like a rip off. If I was a major fan, I'd be really disappointed because it's gone from being smart, character-driven to simple, plot-driven in some nonsensical ways just to get from point A to point B. As it is, it just feels lazy. Visuals were great, though. Story? Meh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 13, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
I still think it's a top tier show but like I said before this season especially feels like summer popcorn blockbuster flick and not TV drama. It's still really good! Entertaining as hell! But the deeper story is lacking a bit.

It's clear this show could have used a few more full seasons to fully flesh some things out. I personally think Dany's ability to be an entitled murderous brat have been shown to us throughout the show, but she was just doing it to people we thought deserved it. How much better would her trip into madness been if we had more episodes of her getting jealous of the love Jon was getting from the people. If Varys' true betrayal played out over 3-4 episodes where we think it's cersei's Doing trying to poison her but then we find out it's Varys? Etc.

Seasons 1-6 of this show, minus thre writers inability to do Dorne any justice, are top tier GOAT quality. Season 7 is good but the sudden shift in story movement is noticeable, and then obviously this season it's even more noticeable. It's a shame that the legacy of the show will be brought down by pacing issues because the show runners didn't want to commit to more episodes/seasons.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 20, 2019, 08:03:15 AM
Ha. The fact that there's not a blip on here about the finale says just about everything anyone would need to know about it. Very Meh. Felt really ham-fisted and forced. The show certainly deserved better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on May 20, 2019, 11:37:22 AM
I liked it.  Not enough to waste my time posting a thousand word recap, though.

Jon should have drilled Dany one last time. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 20, 2019, 12:54:03 PM
If Jon was really a hero he would have drilled Drogon as well  (with teh oral, too).

like the last two seasons, the finale was meh but it makes it easier to say goodbye to. Still all around a great series. apparently winter has come and brought with it a million snowflakes.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 20, 2019, 01:03:13 PM
I thought the council scene appointing Bran was dumb because they've never had an idea what to do with his character.  Simply claiming he had the best story doesn't make it so.

Otherwise, I was fine with the finale. I strongly disagree with the choices which led to the finale but given the narrative mess episodes 3-5 put them in, I thought they executed it as well as was feasible.  That being said, they were in that position as a result of their own decisions so...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 20, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Finale was awful
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Zanshin on May 21, 2019, 11:50:44 AM
I thought it felt like a skit half the time. Just felt like a different show in many ways. It reminded me of some sitcom finales, and I'm pretty sure that's not what they were aiming for.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 21, 2019, 02:54:00 PM
Quote from: AO1 on May 20, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Finale was awful

this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 21, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
Thought the finale was fine. Like someone said earlier, considering how much they rushed to get done, they did as good a job as I think was possible of tying up all the important story lines and characters most people cared about. Jon/Dany/Drogon in the throne room was great, the ending scenes of the small council and the stark montage were great. But it really sucks that we went from Tyrion trying to talk Jon into doing it, to Jon doing it the next scene. Much like every other storyline this season, that's something that should have played out over at least a couple of episodes. The Jon/Tyrion scenes were perfect examples of how a longer season(s) would have helped: the showrunners clearly wanted us to feel like those two were closer to each other, but they weren't because they haven't had any scenes alone together since they were brooding on a cliff last season.

I'm fine with the conclusion...besides Jon, Bran is probably the best king given his knowledge and lack of ambition.

If there's any major difference with the main characters (Jon, Dany, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion) when the books come, my guess is that it's possible Jon is killed as well. I don't think D&D had the guts to kill both Dany and Jon, so if GRRM told them that they both die, I could see Jon's semi-happy ending being a show invention. I also could see one of the Stark sisters potentially not making it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on May 21, 2019, 06:08:51 PM
In conclusion, nerds ruin everything. Game Of Thrones-loving tourists are causing Hadrian's Wall to COLLAPSE by clambering on it for selfies (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9117095/game-of-thrones-tourists-collapse-hadrians-wall-tv/)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on May 22, 2019, 09:33:38 AM
I was not hooked in the beginning but through the years GOT slowly crept into my top 5 shows of all time.  Which is why this last season was so disappointing to me.

They would go 5-6 episodes in the early seasons with barely no action, just character development, and now to rush the most important episodes together at the end into 6 episodes?  just terrible.

thought the finale was very meh. 

1. why did tyrion get to pick who was king? dude was still in handcuffs but everyone just came to the same conclusion that the decision was his.  dumb.
2. why does anyone care what greyworm thinks?  his queen is dead.  also is no one realizing that the unsullied army will only last for so long because of the no penises?
3. thought dragon burning the throne was probably the best scene.

they could have easily had 10-12 episodes this year and I think it would have felt much more satisfying.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: smeags on May 22, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
munson, you said you thought the finale was fine, then went on to explain how it wasn't fine ?  :sly
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 22, 2019, 01:26:07 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 22, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
munson, you said you thought the finale was fine, then went on to explain how it wasn't fine ?  :sly

Fanboys gonna fanboy
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagles_Legendz on May 22, 2019, 05:14:25 PM
The problem wasn't the finale itself (other than Bran).  The problem is they farged everything from a plot perspective in episodes 3-5 that there was nothing the finale could do to unfarg it.  The tracks were already set.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 22, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: smeags on May 22, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
munson, you said you thought the finale was fine, then went on to explain how it wasn't fine ?  :sly

The only thing I explained was how certain scenes could have had more weight if the season as a whole wasn't so short and rushed. The Jon/Tyrion scene in the cell was great, but if that happens in episode 7 and then Jon makes his move at the end of episode 9, it plays out much better. Especially if we had more Jon and Tyrion scenes to build their relationship up more so that the jail cell scene itself had more weight and emotion to it.

The finale itself was fine, the problem was in how much they rushed the story to get there. It was a super entertaining final season but with so much less storytelling, it felt like empty calories. Tasted good but wanted more because you're not satiated.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 22, 2019, 07:54:07 PM
It was dire. Bad narratively, out-of-character weirdness, tonally odd at points, huge things that made no sense, etc. I kept wanting it to be over only to discover there was a lot of time left, which is bad for someone who was formerly in love with the show.

There were at least five plot points in there that seemed like they were intended from the start (including the end of the Brienne/Jaime storyline that many predicted), but the connective tissue between them was all rotten. Whatever. Really not worth dissecting this stuff. When the series was good, it was one of the greats. Like numerous other shows do, it ran out of steam. I truly think it happened a while back.

Had to be 1000:1 odds against Ghost, Robin Arryn, and Edmure Tully all appearing in the finale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 22, 2019, 08:18:39 PM
It's a shame they didn't just give the series over to someone after Season 4/5 that wanted to flesh it out completely. It was a bad enough decision to kill the main parts of the Dorne storyline and live Victarion out all together. But when they realized they weren't willign to stick it out for as long as HBO was willign to let them, they shoulda turned it over to someone else.

Looking forward to more from this world. Prequel series' should be fun, and of course the books. Still rec' Fire and Blood to anyone who's a fan of the world and wants to know more about the Targ history.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on May 22, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
My one hope is they didn't give much backstory on the Night King or the three eyed raven because that's going to be covered in the prequel.

Cersei was my favorite character. I thought a more fitting end would have been her and Jaime getting away.

Dany's fall from grace was the worst

GOT is essentially LOTR mixed with Star Wars

The LOTR portion needs no explanation

Dany was essentially Anakin. Powerful chosen one who turns to the dark side. Her plea to Jon that they could have made the world how they wanted was eerily similar to Anakin/Padme on Mustaafar

Jon = Luke

Father was a fierce warrior and one of the most powerful people in the world. Mother was a powerful women

Parents were married in secret

Father is killed in combat

Mother dies at childbirth

Child is raised in secret by his Uncle
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on May 22, 2019, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: AO1 on May 22, 2019, 09:35:41 PM
My one hope is they didn't give much backstory on the Night King or the three eyed raven because that's going to be covered in the prequel.

That stuff was fairly botched on the show, so I don't know how well they could meld things together, but of the rumored prequels...

A show about "the Long Night", about which little has been officially written, would certainly flesh out the backstory of the white walkers. This is the previous time the dead and the "Others" invaded Westeros, about 6000-8000 years before the events of the show. This is the origin story of the Night's Watch. A show runner would have a rather blank canvas.

The Three-Eyed Raven is strongly implied in the books to be a particular highly compelling historical figure. This character would be an incredible TV anti-hero if done right, and would be a major character in any adaption of the "Dunk and Egg" novellas, which take place 90-100 years before the show time period. Of course, that's presuming the three-eyed raven, who is roughly 130 years old in the books, is the same as the one who claims to have been waiting 1000 years in the show. I suppose it's also possible the "raven" is somewhat of an ancient spirit who merges together with people like Bran, making age fairly meaningless.

The Night King does not exist in the books as a leader of White Walkers, at least so far. In the books, the "Night's King" is a historical human figure, possibly a previous Bran Stark, who was boning and/or working with White Walkers, and committing a bunch of related atrocities in the North. I don't know of any rumored show about him.

Another rumored prequel would be about the Dance of the Dragons civil war (~170 years before show). I think this would actually make the best show of all of them, but very little "magic" (other than the dragons themselves) would be part of that story. Really has nothing to do with NK or 3ER.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 27, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
I think when Bran originally met the 3 eyed raven in the show, before Max Van Sydow played him, he mentioned he was "once called Brynden" or at the very least mentions he has "a thousand eyes and one", so I think it was implied that he was indeed Bryden Bloodraven, but they of course never explored that in the show.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Rome on May 27, 2019, 11:21:42 AM
The documentary last night was exceptional.  It centered on the periphery of the series and included a lot of cool stuff about stunts, extras, craft services, etc.   

Emilia Clarke seems like a cool chick too. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on May 29, 2019, 03:22:05 PM
And now his scotch has ended
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/kit-harington-checked-into-treatment-center-for-wife-rose-leslie/ar-AAC5Q90?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Also, I think the last season suffered from being too rushed. Because I am the 10 millionth person to post this original insight online, I am now to be given the title Master of the Obvious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on May 29, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
The Master of Takes


Feel bad for Kit, probably the pressure of his career defining role coming to an end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on May 29, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
You can always tell when someone hits rock bottom.

(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/5eDTS7gm3ZOGkcHGYUSKJBtBUkY/fit-in/1024x1024/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2019/01/23/804/n/1922398/36ac318886f80810_GettyImages-1097772896/i/Kit-Harington-Haircut-Mustache-2019-Pictures.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on October 29, 2019, 09:13:35 PM
https://twitter.com/gameofthrones/status/1189330936300756992

Hell yes.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on October 29, 2019, 09:33:45 PM
He's never going to finish that book.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on October 29, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
They scrapped 'The Long Night' which I believe deals with the rise of the Night King 👎 Also d&d bounced on their SW trilogy, so glad they rushed the GOT ending.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on December 04, 2019, 06:26:49 PM
https://twitter.com/bryndenbfish/status/1202048099943886848

(https://media.tenor.com/images/37365ce7ce504b79cf4ebbcccb4da6e5/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on January 28, 2021, 03:00:04 AM
QuoteAn animated Game of Thrones drama is in the early stages of development at HBO Max, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter. Meetings with writers for the adult-leaning project, which would be similar in tone to HBO's Emmy-winning flagship, are already under way. No deals have been made and there's still a possibility that the animated series never comes to fruition.
Well, I guess some kind of response to the half assed ending is better than none.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on January 28, 2021, 08:58:18 AM
Forgot to post it but the news dropped a few days ago that Dunk and Egg tails are getting a look and that HBO might try to go full MCU/Disney+ with Star Wars with this and have a whole world of shows.

I am 100% on board...though a bit not so much with the cartoon idea. The histories and lore animations on the blu rays are cool but that's about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on January 28, 2021, 10:36:00 AM
Oversaturate every IP! Make everything worthless with a Cinematic Universe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on June 16, 2022, 11:21:06 PM
Not sure how I feel about this

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1537619164902281216 20&t=Y9X0-UA1HwQYrwzwNz3aaQ
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 18, 2022, 07:44:37 PM
I hope it goes through and they can take the opportunity to make something up that in any way justifies the ending. I thought Harrington was the weakest among the actors on the show but still above average.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 18, 2022, 09:16:33 PM
I'm excited for House of the Dragon. I have no idea what they'd do with a Jon Snow sequel but of course I'll watch. But legit what could they possibly do with him? lol. Maybe have Bran die and a delegation from
The south comes up to try and convince him to take the throne? Who knows.

Also, I thought Harrington was great tbh. He mostly perfectly captured what an older-than-the-books Jon Snow would have been like imo
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: General_Failure on June 18, 2022, 09:17:23 PM
It literally can't be worse than what already happened.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on June 19, 2022, 02:52:02 AM
Quote from: Munson on June 18, 2022, 09:16:33 PM
I'm excited for House of the Dragon. I have no idea what they'd do with a Jon Snow sequel but of course I'll watch. But legit what could they possibly do with him?

Also, I thought Harrington was great tbh. He mostly perfectly captured what an older-than-the-books Jon Snow would have been like imo
Over the first few seasons I wasn't sure if Kit was a so-so actor or just playing a character with so little range. He def improved over the series.

I was thinking Jon has a lot of potential enemies. He took the  Dothraki's queen. But they learned they can cross salt water and fight in the snow so maybe they have a score to settle with Jon. Of course they'd slaughter the wildlings so Sansa and the north would have to join in. And Gray Worm might want the unsullied to have piece of the action too, joining their Dothraki bros. Which means Bran would have to send reinforcements up from the South. A lot of ways it could go including another war of the 5 kings/queens (come to think of it Yara might want to join in with her rebuilt navy. Maybe she meets Arya ("say one more thing about my brother and I'll slit your throat") along the way.

To your point GF, true that it can't get any worse (I hope) than that penultimate scene, meeting up to decide the next king. It's too bad that soured everything else.There was really good work just a couple of scenes earlier when Tyrion was convincing Jon to kill Dany. It might have been the best writing for Tyrion's character in the entire series (and he nailed it), and arguably Kit's best acting. Maybe there is something that can be salvaged.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on August 21, 2022, 04:59:09 PM
Yeah I guess all that's true but I assumed they wouldn't want to dredge up the series again, I figured they'd want to send him off somewhere else. But ngl id love to see more of those characters.

The advertising for HOTD has been crazy. Can't turn on the tv or use social media without seeing it. Super excited for this
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on August 21, 2022, 05:26:18 PM
I recently did a rewatch, it's a damn shame the final season (really the ending) was an abomination because GOT was as good as tv gets.

You lived your life for the king. You're going to die for some chickens?
The Hound: Someone is.

The scene when Joffrey yells at Tywin...the look on Cersei's face was Oscar worthy.

Looking forward to tonight
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on September 26, 2022, 01:56:39 PM
Saw some talk in the TV thread but with the numbers this series is putting up, we're 100% getting all the Game of Thrones Extended Universe we can get after this so, might as well keep it all in one place for Dio

Despite the fast pace of jumping from major event to major event to get us to the Dance, I am absolutely loving this show. They're basically going to end Season 1 where I thought they would end season 2, because I assumed they were going to take their time and "fill in the gaps" more so to speak around all the major events that lead up to the Dance, but once we get to the actual war things should slow down a bit.

They've really nailed all the casting so far, and so far have kept even bookreaders on their toes by choosing certain versions of events that happened over other versions. If you didn't read Fire & Blood, basically all these vents are told through the lens of 2 or 3 men, all with varying guesswork on how things like Criston/Rhaenyra went down, and you're never really sure what the real story is, and the main storyteller in the book and his sources  are meant to be a little biased, especially towards the men. So the book makes you think what happened between Rhaenyra and Criston was all Rhaenyra's fault and Criston was the gallant knight, but obviously we know it wasn't quite that way now. Also shocked with the direction they took Larys Strong and the fire at Harrenhall. He was always mysterious in the book but damn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: QB Eagles on September 26, 2022, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: Munson on September 26, 2022, 01:56:39 PM
Despite the fast pace of jumping from major event to major event to get us to the Dance, I am absolutely loving this show.

I always crap on Seasons 5-8 of Game of Thrones, but House of the Dragon is "good" S1-4 Thrones so far. It's masterful how they've been able to introduce so many characters and also skip across decades of time and actor changes without utterly losing the audience.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: SD on September 26, 2022, 05:31:26 PM
I always watch the ending directors summary but paid extra attention after this one. Also just read a recap. So much went on I didn't want to overlook a detail.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: BigEd76 on October 24, 2022, 02:08:43 AM
Can't believe we gotta wait two years for S2 of HotD
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on October 26, 2022, 08:43:03 PM
What a season. So many interesting choices they made with the narrative of what happened during these events. I love this world, and love that this is pretty much cementing that we're gonna get plenty of shows on HBO going forward
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: phattymatty on October 27, 2022, 01:05:00 PM
I loved this show.  Not sure if it was know in advance or not but I was really expecting at least some of the big battle to occur in the finale.  Now I learn we might wait 2 years and I almost wish I didn't watch.  Such blue balls.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Eagaholic on April 12, 2023, 08:58:11 PM
Really happy to hear Max has green lighted A Tales of Dunk and Egg prequel, and GRRM is writer and executive producer. I really liked the book, not so unwieldy and complex as the GOT series, but still rewarding with the trademark plot twists and curve balls that made GOT great. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on April 16, 2023, 11:48:22 PM
Yeah Dunk and Egg getting immediate series order is great news. Keep it coming
Title: Re: Game of Thrones
Post by: Munson on June 19, 2023, 07:50:25 PM
https://twitter.com/culturecrave/status/1670849953974059008 46&t=SMD_81TvVT-H5sNwmpVLIQ

Was this the best "spectacle" episode of television ever? Obviously there are better written and better acted and better story episodes of TV out there, but in terms of spectacle this has to be up there